From nickplummer@gmail.com Sat, 02 Jul 2016 12:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Nicholas plummer Subject: Crinum from Costco Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 14:20:37 -0400 Last year, I asked about a Crinum that Costco was selling among their spring-planted bulbs. Based on the photo on the bag, consensus seemed to be that it was probably Crinum xdigweedii. Photo here: http://www.bulbs-to-blooms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=plants.plantDetail&plant_id=1138 One of three bulbs that I purchased has bloomed. I am sure you are shocked (shocked!) to hear that it doesn't match what was pictured on the bag. Here's what it looks like. Flower: http://i1279.photobucket.com/albums/y527/myrmecodia/IMG_5445%20resized_zpsidtt95oh.jpg Plant habit: http://i1279.photobucket.com/albums/y527/myrmecodia/IMG_5434%20resized_zpsmgz5gduy.jpg Buds are very dark purple. Flowers are lighter, but definitely purple, not pink. Any thoughts? It is perhaps Crinum 'Ellen Bosanquet'? Nick From arlen.jose@verizon.net Sat, 02 Jul 2016 16:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <011901d1d4b2$871d0bf0$955723d0$@verizon.net> From: "Fred Biasella" Subject: Crinum from Costco Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2016 18:38:59 -0400 Hi Nick, Ellen Bosanquet was the very first thing that came to mind and even though it's not digweedii, it is pretty :-) Fred -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Nicholas plummer Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 2:21 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: [pbs] Crinum from Costco Last year, I asked about a Crinum that Costco was selling among their spring-planted bulbs. Based on the photo on the bag, consensus seemed to be that it was probably Crinum xdigweedii. Photo here: http://www.bulbs-to-blooms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=plants.plantDetail&plant _id=1138 One of three bulbs that I purchased has bloomed. I am sure you are shocked (shocked!) to hear that it doesn't match what was pictured on the bag. Here's what it looks like. Flower: http://i1279.photobucket.com/albums/y527/myrmecodia/IMG_5445%20resized_zpsid tt95oh.jpg Plant habit: http://i1279.photobucket.com/albums/y527/myrmecodia/IMG_5434%20resized_zpsmg z5gduy.jpg Buds are very dark purple. Flowers are lighter, but definitely purple, not pink. Any thoughts? It is perhaps Crinum 'Ellen Bosanquet'? Nick From alanidae@gmail.com Sat, 02 Jul 2016 21:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Alani Davis Subject: Crinum from Costco Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 00:02:02 -0400 Hey Nick The bulb "proffered" is Cinthro Alpha or Talisman depending on whose name you follow. Its got its own complicated history. What you got does look a lot like Ellen B. though there are a few look a likes so I can't say for sure. Alani On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 2:20 PM, Nicholas plummer wrote: > Last year, I asked about a Crinum that Costco was selling among their > spring-planted bulbs. Based on the photo on the bag, consensus seemed to > be that it was probably Crinum xdigweedii. > Photo here: > > http://www.bulbs-to-blooms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=plants.plantDetail&plant_id=1138 > > One of three bulbs that I purchased has bloomed. I am sure you are shocked > (shocked!) to hear that it doesn't match what was pictured on the bag. > Here's what it looks like. > > Flower: > > http://i1279.photobucket.com/albums/y527/myrmecodia/IMG_5445%20resized_zpsidtt95oh.jpg > > Plant habit: > > http://i1279.photobucket.com/albums/y527/myrmecodia/IMG_5434%20resized_zpsmgz5gduy.jpg > > Buds are very dark purple. Flowers are lighter, but definitely purple, not > pink. > > Any thoughts? It is perhaps Crinum 'Ellen Bosanquet'? > > Nick > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From bob.hoel@comcast.net Mon, 04 Jul 2016 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Robert Hoel Subject: Allium azureum Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 16:04:41 -0500 I am moving a cluster of Allium azureum and have a lot of little bulbils. When I replant the very smallest ones, do I have to be concerned that the tops are up or can I just sprinkle them in the hole? Bob Hoel 630-240-0219 (cell) Better on a bike than in a box! From janemcgary@earthlink.net Mon, 04 Jul 2016 17:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <4a1a0268-049e-a205-3976-5f6ab32655fb@earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: Fwd: PBS website contact:guest lecture Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 16:31:13 -0700 The following inquiry came via our website. If you are interested in giving a talk to the Ceres Garden Club (in the Central Valley of California, near Merced), please write directly to Berni Hendrix at the last address given in the Reply-to line. Jane McGary Membership PBS -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: PBS website contact:guest lecture Date: 29 Jun 2016 19:43:47 -0400, Wed, 29 Jun 2016 19:43:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Apache Reply-To: Ceres@vhost1.lb.ibiblio.org, Garden@vhost1.lb.ibiblio.org, Club@vhost1.lb.ibiblio.org, Berni Hendrix To: janemcgary@earthlink.net This is a message from the PBS website for janemcgary. Located in the heart of California surrounded by orchards, fields and dairy, the Ceres Garden Club would like to invite a member to be our guest for a 30 minute lecture. Screen, table, and hookup is available for PowerPoint, laptop, etc. Meetings are held on the 3rd Thursday of the month in the Ceres Community Center Upstairs Classroom, 2701 Fourth Street, Ceres, CA 95307. Refreshment is at 11:30 a.m. Guest Lecture begins at 12 noon. Best months are May & June 2017. You may contact me by phone at 209-402-2351 Thanking you in advance for your speedy reply, Berni Hendrix, President Ceres Garden Club www.ceresgardenclub.org -- Pacific Bulb Society web site email: website@pacificbulbsociety.org From janemcgary@earthlink.net Mon, 04 Jul 2016 17:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <503786f7-5b4d-f1c4-a6ad-5c5cc47c533f@earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: Allium azureum Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 16:36:54 -0700 If you want to plant tiny bulbs or corms, you can just sprinkle them around and cover with a little soil. They will figure out their orientation readily. Jane McGary On 7/4/2016 2:04 PM, Robert Hoel wrote: > I am moving a cluster of Allium azureum and have a lot of little bulbils. When I replant the very smallest ones, do I have to be concerned that the tops are up or can I just sprinkle them in the hole? > > Bob Hoel > 630-240-0219 (cell) > > Better on a bike than in a box! > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From enoster@hotmail.com Tue, 05 Jul 2016 06:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Travis O Subject: Photos of native bees and honeybees on native and nonnative plants in Oregon Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 06:02:59 -0700 Hello, The following is a link to a variety of photos of Oregon native bees and honeybees on Oregon native and nonnative plants (some bulbs, too), with some cynical commentary on the subject. http://www.amateuranthecologist.com/2016/07/floral-visitors-xx.html Surely I'll be preaching to the choir when I say that something must be done to help the pollinators. I feel it is necessary to reduce the problem to an economic issue, hence my reference to a Xerces Society study (Losey et al. 2006) estimating $57 billion in ecological services provided by insects annually (including pest reduction by predatory/parasitoid insects), since it is clear that economy is more important than environment in the minds of many. Conservation needs to become a profitable endeavor on a scale much larger than is currently possible. Travis Owen Rogue River, OR www.amateuranthecologist.com www.oldsolbees.com www.pacificbulbsociety.org From fosterjp@cox.net Tue, 05 Jul 2016 09:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <00e97abf-494b-44b6-4df5-2c30e7aee16e@cox.net> From: Jim Foster Subject: Sprouting Boophone seed Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 09:06:33 -0700 I have put mine into a Ziploc with some potting soil but I'm wondering if anyone has a different way. How long does it take for them to sprout. I have sprouted some Z. fosterii 2 ways. In the same way as above and floating on water. Both were successful and both sprouted at the same time. From kimcmich@hotmail.com Tue, 05 Jul 2016 10:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Kipp McMichael Subject: Sprouting Boophone seed Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 09:38:44 -0700 Greetings, For me in Berkeley, Boophone seed needs no special soaking or coaxing treatment. I lay seed on the surface of a slightly underfilled-pot and then add top-dressing to half-bury the seeds such that their tops are small domes surrounded by the top-dressing. Place in brightest shade, water weekly and leaves should emerge in 2-4 weeks. Boophone seed produce a strong, robust radicle than can grow into the soil even in dry-surface conditions. Be sure to check the pot and assist any seed whose radical isn't growing into the soil - sometimes you need to help these "free radicles" pushing sideways along the surface by making a starter hole for them and dropping the radicle tip in. -| To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > From: fosterjp@cox.net > Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 09:06:33 -0700 > Subject: [pbs] Sprouting Boophone seed > > I have put mine into a Ziploc with some potting soil but I'm wondering > if anyone has a different way. How long does it take for them to sprout. > > I have sprouted some Z. fosterii 2 ways. In the same way as above and > floating on water. Both were successful and both sprouted at the same time. > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From nickplummer@gmail.com Tue, 05 Jul 2016 11:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Nicholas plummer Subject: Crinum from Costco Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 13:21:54 -0400 Thanks for the replies, Fred and Alani. I suspect that Ellen Bosanquet or a look-alike is better suited to my climate than Cinthro Alpha, so I'm not displeased. I wonder if this was just a one-off error in the packing, or if Costco's supplier uses the same bag and photo for whatever cultivar they happen to have available in quantity. Nick On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 12:02 AM, Alani Davis wrote: > Hey Nick > > The bulb "proffered" is Cinthro Alpha or Talisman depending on whose name > you follow. Its got its own complicated history. What you got does look a > lot like Ellen B. though there are a few look a likes so I can't say for > sure. > Alani > From dkramb@badbear.com Tue, 05 Jul 2016 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Dennis Kramb Subject: Asarum canadense Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 16:36:59 -0400 How much sun can Asarum canadense take? I have a small patch growing wild on my property where I'm going to be re-landscaping. I'm nervous about changing things too much. I don't want to kill it or move it, if i can help it. Dennis in Cincinnati From markemazer@gmail.com Tue, 05 Jul 2016 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Mark Mazer Subject: Asarum canadense Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 17:08:54 -0400 How much moisture can you supply? With enough water it would easily thrive with 4-6 hours of morning or late afternoon sun in OH. It will lose foliage at some point in the season. Mark Mazer Hertford, NC USDA 8a On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Dennis Kramb wrote: > How much sun can Asarum canadense take? I have a small patch growing wild > on my property where I'm going to be re-landscaping. I'm nervous about > changing things too much. I don't want to kill it or move it, if i can > help it. > > Dennis in Cincinnati > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From enna1921@live.ca Tue, 05 Jul 2016 15:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Barbara McMullen Subject: Photos of native bees and honeybees on native and nonnative plants in Oregon Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 17:54:13 -0400 Good point. -----Original Message----- From: Travis O Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 9:02 AM To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: [pbs] Photos of native bees and honeybees on native and nonnative plants in Oregon Hello, The following is a link to a variety of photos of Oregon native bees and honeybees on Oregon native and nonnative plants (some bulbs, too), with some cynical commentary on the subject. http://www.amateuranthecologist.com/2016/07/floral-visitors-xx.html Surely I'll be preaching to the choir when I say that something must be done to help the pollinators. I feel it is necessary to reduce the problem to an economic issue, hence my reference to a Xerces Society study (Losey et al. 2006) estimating $57 billion in ecological services provided by insects annually (including pest reduction by predatory/parasitoid insects), since it is clear that economy is more important than environment in the minds of many. Conservation needs to become a profitable endeavor on a scale much larger than is currently possible. Travis Owen Rogue River, OR www.amateuranthecologist.com www.oldsolbees.com www.pacificbulbsociety.org _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Wed, 06 Jul 2016 05:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <99992c9a-990e-2e6b-4619-1a550e869ae3@pilling.demon.co.uk> From: David Pilling Subject: Photos of native bees and honeybees on native and nonnative plants in Oregon Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 12:17:28 +0100 Hi, On 05/07/2016 14:02, Travis O wrote: >estimating $57 billion in ecological services provided by insects annually Do I get a refund when I have to go out with a paint brush to do the job the insects have failed to. Some UK farmers now say managing the environment is their main job - what they produce is not economically viable without subsidies, and those subsidies are in place to preserve the landscape. How are the bulbs going... first dahlia flowered, chocolate cosmos sown this year has buds, zantedeschia just finishing flowering, regale lily starting to flower. Most of the amaryllis belladonna still have leaves. Although the ones grown from California seed went dormant some weeks back. -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com From janemcgary@earthlink.net Wed, 06 Jul 2016 10:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Rocky Mountain Calochortus Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 09:23:57 -0700 On a recent trip to Colorado and the Beartooth and Bighorn ranges in Wyoming, we saw Calochortus in several places. I'm having trouble deciding whether these were Calochortus gunnisonii or Calochortus nuttallii, or one species in one site and the other elsewhere. Both species are reported to occur where we were, and both are quite variable. Can anyone advise me about distinguishing characteristics? I have photos, but they're not detailed enough to distinguish, e.g., the shape of the hairs. All the flowers we saw were mostly white, except for one pale pink individual among white ones. I suspect all were C. nuttallii but would like help to confirm this. Other geophytes are uncommon in this region. We saw 3 Allium species, Veratrum californicum, and Lloydia serotina. Most of our plant-hunting was aimed at alpines such as Kelseya uniflora (success) and Aquilegia jonesii (almost entirely a failure owing to an earlier than usual flowering). We did stumble upon the tiny, rare orchid Cypripedium fasciculatum, though. Thanks, Jane McGary Portland, Oregon, USA From penstemon@Q.com Wed, 06 Jul 2016 10:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: "penstemon" Subject: Rocky Mountain Calochortus Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 10:48:51 -0600 >On a recent trip to Colorado and the Beartooth and Bighorn ranges in Wyoming, we saw Calochortus in several places. I'm having trouble deciding whether these were Calochortus gunnisonii or Calochortus nuttallii, or one species in one site and the other elsewhere. Both species are reported to occur where we were, and both are quite variable. Can anyone advise me about distinguishing characteristics? Check this out. http://www.swcoloradowildflowers.com/White%20Enlarged%20Photo%20Pages/calochortus.htm The band of maroon is apparently diagnostic for C. nuttallii. Bob Nold Denver, Colorado, USA From tylus.seklos@gmail.com Wed, 06 Jul 2016 10:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: The Silent Seed Subject: Rocky Mountain Calochortus Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 13:00:16 -0400 I'm just glad we aren't talking Rocky Mountain Oysters here! :) On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 12:48 PM, penstemon wrote: > >On a recent trip to Colorado and the Beartooth and Bighorn ranges in > Wyoming, we saw Calochortus in several places. I'm having trouble > deciding whether these were Calochortus gunnisonii or Calochortus > nuttallii, or one species in one site and the other elsewhere. Both > species are reported to occur where we were, and both are quite > variable. Can anyone advise me about distinguishing characteristics? > Check this out. > http://www.swcoloradowildflowers.com/White%20Enlarged%20Photo%20Pages/calochortus.htm > The band of maroon is apparently diagnostic for C. nuttallii. > Bob Nold > Denver, Colorado, USA > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com From pelarg@aol.com Wed, 06 Jul 2016 11:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <155c15604f6-35b8-15e25@webprd-a23.mail.aol.com> From: pelarg@aol.com Subject: Asarum canadense Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 13:51:28 -0400 Mine is getting a bit too much sun, the foliage shows some yellowing but the plants are fine. I had some trees removed and it really needs to be moved to a shadier spot but it isnt dying at all. I'd say it gets a half day or more of sun. Soil is heavy so it is often moist. They are easy to transplant, not a fussy plant in the least. Ernie DeMarie Briarcliff Manor NY where Crinum lugardiae and C macowanii are flowering in pots and the first of my dalenii glad hybrids is open (red one). Eucomis bicolor is emerging, always the last thing to come up in my garden (E montana came up a month ago). From janemcgary@earthlink.net Wed, 06 Jul 2016 11:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <314fe1ba-3a0b-e49a-8675-22c828fd73fc@earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: Rocky Mountain Calochortus Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 10:59:02 -0700 Bob Nold wrote, Check this out. http://www.swcoloradowildflowers.com/White%20Enlarged%20Photo%20Pages/calochortus.htm > The band of maroon is apparently diagnostic for C. nuttallii. > In one population, on the roadside during our drive from Steamboat Springs to Cody, Wyoming, we saw one or two individuals with the maroon (dark brownish red) band, and others without it. The latter were simply white with a yellow throat. Jane McGary From enoster@hotmail.com Wed, 06 Jul 2016 14:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Travis O Subject: Photos of native bees and honeybees on native and nonnative plants in Oregon Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 11:57:28 -0700 David, I forgot to mention the Xerces study was restricted to the US, but I'm sure similar numbers would be found elsewhere. Bulb related? Sure, onion seed and other alliums grown for seed are pollinated by a number of managed and wild pollinators. Surely where bulbs are open pollinated for seed there is a reliance on native pollinators and predatory insects keeping the number of aphids in your garden low (and if you have an infestation I'd expect a deficiency of insect predators/parasitoids in your area). The PBS seed exchange is surely possible due to native pollinators where the bulbs are grown outside. Not that any of this is being contested. Travis Owen Rogue River, OR www.amateuranthecologist.com www.oldsolbees.com www.pacificbulbsociety.org From wpoulsen@pacbell.net Wed, 06 Jul 2016 18:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Lee Poulsen Subject: Fascinating climate map shows which countries have the same weather as Australia Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 18:05:03 -0700 This article has a fascinating climate map of Australia (and Tasmania) where it maps different regions to similar climates on other continents. It even places a number of non-Australian cities on the map that correspond to the locations in Australia that have the same or similar climate as those cities have. I was surprised by a couple of them; I didn’t realize Adelaide’s climate was so similar to the California Bay Area’s or that Sydney’s climate was like that of Buenos Aires. It would be fun to see similar maps made for other continents or regions. For example, I still don’t have a good feel for what the climates in Central Asia and the eastern Middle East correspond to elsewhere, especially since there are a number of bulbs that come from that region. For example, I keep wondering why certain Tulipa species do so well in warmer regions like southern California and the U.S. South, while other Tulipa species do not. --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From lmf@beautifulblooms.ab.ca Wed, 06 Jul 2016 19:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <03AD41FE-7064-4835-B734-0699F27637E4@beautifulblooms.ab.ca> From: Linda Foulis Subject: Thrips Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 20:11:40 -0600 Hello all, Does anyone have experience using diatomaceous earth against thrips? I'm also trying neem oil. Very limited choices in Canada now. Linda Zone 2-3 North of Leslieville, AB next to the middle of nowhere. From arnold140@verizon.net Wed, 06 Jul 2016 20:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <32527334.851438.1467857957158.JavaMail.root@tvweb133026.mailsrvcs.net> From: arnold140@verizon.net Subject: Thrips Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 21:19:17 -0500 (CDT) Linda: I use a product called Murphy's Oil soap. One ounce to a quart of water. I imagine any soap would do. It's worked for me. Have a look. https://greenmethods.com/understanding-insecticidal-soaps-and-detergents/ Arnold On 07/06/16, Linda Foulis wrote: Hello all, Does anyone have experience using diatomaceous earth against thrips? I'm also trying neem oil. Very limited choices in Canada now. Linda Zone 2-3 North of Leslieville, AB next to the middle of nowhere. From aoleary@esc.net.au Wed, 06 Jul 2016 20:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <042101d1d7fd$6b6bce20$42436a60$@esc.net.au> From: "Alan O'Leary" Subject: Fascinating climate map shows which countries have the same weather as Australia Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 12:42:38 +0930 Lee ,I saw that map too. I live in Adelaide and we certainly do not have a San Francisco Bay Area climate. Our climate is much hotter, each summer there are always days above 100 F and the odd day above 110 F, our all time record is 117 F. There is a town approx. 200 miles west named Cook ( appropriate) that has reached 122 F. -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Lee Poulsen Sent: Thursday, 7 July 2016 10:35 AM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: [pbs] Fascinating climate map shows which countries have the same weather as Australia This article has a fascinating climate map of Australia (and Tasmania) where it maps different regions to similar climates on other continents. It even places a number of non-Australian cities on the map that correspond to the locations in Australia that have the same or similar climate as those cities have. I was surprised by a couple of them; I didn’t realize Adelaide’s climate was so similar to the California Bay Area’s or that Sydney’s climate was like that of Buenos Aires. It would be fun to see similar maps made for other continents or regions. For example, I still don’t have a good feel for what the climates in Central Asia and the eastern Middle East correspond to elsewhere, especially since there are a number of bulbs that come from that region. For example, I keep wondering why certain Tulipa species do so well in warmer regions like southern California and the U.S. South, while other Tulipa species do not. --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7640 / Virus Database: 4613/12569 - Release Date: 07/06/16 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From butterflyamaryllis@yahoo.com Wed, 06 Jul 2016 21:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <1790747468.3133128.1467861367564.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> From: James Frelichowski Subject: Thrips Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 03:16:07 +0000 (UTC) Try mycotoxins.I've used Beauvaria, Botanigard.It worked very well against whiteflies, perhaps may work for thrips?James FrelichowskiCollege Station,TX On Wednesday, July 6, 2016 9:11 PM, Linda Foulis wrote: Hello all, Does anyone have experience using diatomaceous earth against thrips?  I'm also trying neem oil.  Very limited choices in Canada now.  Linda Zone 2-3 North of Leslieville, AB next to the middle of nowhere. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From teck11@embarqmail.com Wed, 06 Jul 2016 21:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <000001d1d800$b5d80d90$218828b0$@embarqmail.com> From: "Tim Eck" Subject: Thrips Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 23:36:12 -0400 From experience, I feel obligated to caution against using soaps on plants with pseudostems - banana trees especially. Since a banana's trunk is made of concentric layers of clasping leaves, they can come unclasped under the influence of gravity and a lubricant such as soap. It is very disturbing to see a plant that you've just lathered up self-destruct with a series of slurping noises. Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of > arnold140@verizon.net > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 10:19 PM > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: Re: [pbs] Thrips > > Linda: > > I use a product called Murphy's Oil soap. > > One ounce to a quart of water. I imagine any soap would do. > > It's worked for me. > > Have a look. > > https://greenmethods.com/understanding-insecticidal-soaps-and-detergents/ > > Arnold > > > On 07/06/16, Linda Foulis wrote: > > Hello all, > Does anyone have experience using diatomaceous earth against thrips? I'm > also trying neem oil. Very limited choices in Canada now. > > > Linda > Zone 2-3 > North of Leslieville, AB next to the middle of nowhere. > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From ixia@dcsi.net.au Wed, 06 Jul 2016 21:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <013e01d1d803$6b30b230$41921690$@net.au> From: "Bill Richardson" Subject: Fascinating climate map shows which countries have the same weather as Australia Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 13:55:28 +1000 Hi Lee, Thanks for this link, it is really fascinating to see climate maps in that perspective. I have a very old book on South Africa, published around the 1950's which has many overlaid map comparisons with Australia. It was very helpful for me to see similar latitudes/longtitudes/ temps. Etc., which gave me an insight in growing some of my beloved SA bulb species and helped me with their needs. You are never too old to learn something new. Thanks for sharing, Ixiaking Bill Richardson Gippsland Australia -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Lee Poulsen Sent: Thursday, 7 July 2016 11:05 AM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: [pbs] Fascinating climate map shows which countries have the same weather as Australia This article has a fascinating climate map of Australia (and Tasmania) where it maps different regions to similar climates on other continents. It even places a number of non-Australian cities on the map that correspond to the locations in Australia that have the same or similar climate as those cities have. I was surprised by a couple of them; I didn’t realize Adelaide’s climate was so similar to the California Bay Area’s or that Sydney’s climate was like that of Buenos Aires. It would be fun to see similar maps made for other continents or regions. For example, I still don’t have a good feel for what the climates in Central Asia and the eastern Middle East correspond to elsewhere, especially since there are a number of bulbs that come from that region. For example, I keep wondering why certain Tulipa species do so well in warmer regions like southern California and the U.S. South, while other Tulipa species do not. --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From tiede@pacbell.net Wed, 06 Jul 2016 22:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <039501d1d808$fb2021a0$f16064e0$@net> From: "Bracey Tiede" Subject: Fascinating climate map shows which countries have the same weather as Australia Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 21:35:23 -0700 There are climates that are very similar to Adelaide's and other Australian areas around the world. I suggest some exploration of the Mediterranean Garden Societies website with all the references. One mention was made that the San Francisco Bay Area does not reach 100F temps but if you go away from the city itself by 50-more miles, it very often does reach those temperatures. The rainfall for each area and when it falls it more indicative of the plants that will survive and thrive there. I could go on for hours but will stop. Please do visit www.mediterraneangardensociety.org for more information if you are interested. Ps. The article really just pulled the extremes out. Bracey Tiede NorCal Branch Chair MGS -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Lee Poulsen Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 6:05 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: [pbs] Fascinating climate map shows which countries have the same weather as Australia This article has a fascinating climate map of Australia (and Tasmania) where it maps different regions to similar climates on other continents. It even places a number of non-Australian cities on the map that correspond to the locations in Australia that have the same or similar climate as those cities have. I was surprised by a couple of them; I didn’t realize Adelaide’s climate was so similar to the California Bay Area’s or that Sydney’s climate was like that of Buenos Aires. It would be fun to see similar maps made for other continents or regions. For example, I still don’t have a good feel for what the climates in Central Asia and the eastern Middle East correspond to elsewhere, especially since there are a number of bulbs that come from that region. For example, I keep wondering why certain Tulipa species do so well in warmer regions like southern California and the U.S. South, while other Tulipa species do not. --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From normanwoollons@gmail.com Wed, 06 Jul 2016 22:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Norman Woollons Subject: Fascinating climate map shows which countries have the same weather as Australia Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 06:59:22 +0200 I use the Köppen climate classification to find similar places. I live in a Csa (Mediterranean) climate. Two websites explain it quite well, http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/7v.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6ppen_climate_classification There are still very large areas which appear to be the same, when in reality they are not, but there is no system I have found which is perfect. It is possible if you have an iPhone or iPad (not for Android) to use Wunderground to compare between individual weather stations, which is much more precise, but I haven't found anywhere that has done a project to link the many individual world locations which share the same weather and microclimate. NW On 7 July 2016 at 03:05, Lee Poulsen wrote: > This article has a fascinating climate map of Australia (and Tasmania) > where it maps different regions to similar climates on other continents. It > even places a number of non-Australian cities on the map that correspond to > the locations in Australia that have the same or similar climate as those > cities have. I was surprised by a couple of them; I didn’t realize > Adelaide’s climate was so similar to the California Bay Area’s or that > Sydney’s climate was like that of Buenos Aires. > > It would be fun to see similar maps made for other continents or regions. > For example, I still don’t have a good feel for what the climates in > Central Asia and the eastern Middle East correspond to elsewhere, > especially since there are a number of bulbs that come from that region. > For example, I keep wondering why certain Tulipa species do so well in > warmer regions like southern California and the U.S. South, while other > Tulipa species do not. > > < > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3665579/From-soaring-heat-Sahara-Desert-chilly-British-temperatures-Fascinating-climate-map-shows-countries-weather-Australia.html > > > > --Lee Poulsen > Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a > Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki -- This weeks "*Life in a Dol house*" Blog: *https://goo.gl/D0P8Iu * ᐧ _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Fri, 08 Jul 2016 05:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <071717ad-fbb0-3994-d8f5-de5d96edec78@pilling.demon.co.uk> From: David Pilling Subject: Crinum web site query Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 12:31:22 +0100 Hi, Does anyone know what is going on with Al Sisk's crinum web site? Gorgon warning, don't look, it appears to no longer be devoted to crinums. -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com From stnalpsoel@gmail.com Sat, 09 Jul 2016 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Leo Martin Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 162, Issue 4 Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 14:12:02 -0700 I looked at it in a mirror and it didn't seem as frightening. Leo Martin Zone 9? Phoenix Arizona USA On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 1:37 PM, wrote: > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post: List-Archive: > Today's Topics: > > 1. Crinum web site query (David Pilling) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 12:31:22 +0100 > From: David Pilling > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: [pbs] Crinum web site query > Message-ID: <071717ad-fbb0-3994-d8f5-de5d96edec78@pilling.demon.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Hi, > > Does anyone know what is going on with Al Sisk's crinum web site? > > Gorgon warning, don't look, it appears to no longer be devoted to crinums. > > > -- > David Pilling > www.davidpilling.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > ------------------------------ > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 162, Issue 4 > *********************************** > From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Sat, 09 Jul 2016 17:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <57818A52.4030605@pilling.demon.co.uk> From: David Pilling Subject: Crinum web site query Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 00:35:46 +0100 Hi, On 09/07/16 22:12, Leo Martin wrote: > I looked at it in a mirror and it didn't seem as frightening. Yes you can here: https://web.archive.org/web/20150406113911/http://www.crinum.us/ -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com From hheaven77@aol.com Sat, 09 Jul 2016 17:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <155d20ddd95-47e8-1f0e9@webprd-m55.mail.aol.com> From: Celeste Subject: Crinum web site query Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 19:46:12 -0400 Am I the only one having difficulty following these threads? Or is this an inside joke? Celeste G. Phoenix, AZ -----Original Message----- From: David Pilling To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Sat, Jul 9, 2016 4:36 pm Subject: [pbs] Crinum web site query Hi, On 09/07/16 22:12, Leo Martin wrote: > I looked at it in a mirror and it didn't seem as frightening. Yes you can here: https://web.archive.org/web/20150406113911/http://www.crinum.us/ -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com From teck11@embarqmail.com Sat, 09 Jul 2016 17:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <000001d1da3d$dbd6c240$938446c0$@embarqmail.com> From: "Tim Eck" Subject: Crinum web site query Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 19:58:57 -0400 I think the mirror thing was a reference to the gorgon warning. And the 9/7/16 date may have been a European date rather than time travel. Tim Eck When a philosopher says something that is true, then it is trivial. When he says something that is not trivial, then it is false. Gauss > -----Original Message----- > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Celeste > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:46 PM > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: Re: [pbs] Crinum web site query > > Am I the only one having difficulty following these threads? Or is this an > inside joke? > > > Celeste G. > Phoenix, AZ > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Pilling > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Sent: Sat, Jul 9, 2016 4:36 pm > Subject: [pbs] Crinum web site query > > Hi, > > On 09/07/16 22:12, Leo Martin wrote: > > I looked at it in a mirror and it didn't seem as frightening. > > Yes you can here: > > https://web.archive.org/web/20150406113911/http://www.crinum.us/ > > > -- > David Pilling > www.davidpilling.com > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From hk@icarustrading.com Sat, 09 Jul 2016 19:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: From HK Subject: Crinum web site query Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 21:18:56 -0400 i would say someone hijacked his website- easy to do On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 7:35 PM, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > On 09/07/16 22:12, Leo Martin wrote: > >> I looked at it in a mirror and it didn't seem as frightening. >> > > Yes you can here: > > https://web.archive.org/web/20150406113911/http://www.crinum.us/ > > > -- > David Pilling > www.davidpilling.com > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From ben.zonneveld@naturalis.nl Tue, 12 Jul 2016 06:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Ben Zonneveld Subject: cardiocrinum DNA Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 14:45:10 +0200 There are only four species of Cardiocrinum. I should like to measure their amount of nuclear DNA. I just measured what could be C. giganteum and it has a large amount of DNA in line with some other lilies. I need a fresh (not dried)single small leaf or just a leaf stem ,petiole. Wrap it loosely in moist paper and then roll it loosely in a plastic bag. Send it to theadress below Menton on the outside : herbarium specimen for study. Dont mention the word plant.No papers needed.Thanks in advance Ben zonneveld -- ​​ BJM Zonneveld Naturalis, Herbarium section Postbox 9517 Darwinweg 2, 2300RA Leiden The Netherlands Email: ben.zonneveld@naturalis.nl , telf 071-7517228 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Tue, 12 Jul 2016 07:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <2010083294.2424310.1468331528892.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: Allium moly/luteum Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 13:52:08 +0000 (UTC) What's the story on the names Allium moly and A. luteum? Although the plant sold as Allium moly is one of the commonest of the garden alliums, it's not on the PBS wiki - nor is A. luteum. Or if they are there, I could not find them after a quick look. Jim McKenneyMontgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, where yesterday I harvested 11 seeds from a cross of Iris kirkwoodiae and I. iberica. And Allium flavum is in full bloom now.  _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From msittner@mcn.org Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <6c0dbe9b-62d4-72d1-74c8-960cf6ce6dba@mcn.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Allium moly/luteum Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:33:56 -0700 The Plant list says: Allium luteum F.Dietr. is a synonym of Allium obliquum L. and it looks like we have a photo of it from John Lonsdale on the wiki, but if anyone grows these two they could provide information about them On 7/12/2016 6:52 AM, Jim McKenney wrote: > What's the story on the names Allium moly and A. luteum? Although the plant sold as Allium moly is one of the commonest of the garden alliums, it's not on the PBS wiki - nor is A. luteum. Or if they are there, I could not find them after a quick look. > From pelarg@aol.com Tue, 12 Jul 2016 15:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <155e12e59b5-2272-27c8a@webprd-m63.mail.aol.com> From: pelarg@aol.com Subject: Allium moly and contributing to the pbs wiki Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 18:15:59 -0400 Exactly how can one upload info to the wiki, I have photos of Allium moly and grow it, along with a few other bulbs not yet on the wiki. Thanks, Ernie DeMarie Briarcliff Manor NY where the first dalenii hybrid glads are open along with Gladiolus papilio. -----Original Message----- From: Mary Sue Ittner To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Tue, Jul 12, 2016 11:34 am Subject: Re: [pbs] Allium moly/luteum The Plant list says: Allium luteum F.Dietr. is a synonym of Allium obliquum L. and it looks like we have a photo of it from John Lonsdale on the wiki, but if anyone grows these two they could provide information about them On 7/12/2016 6:52 AM, Jim McKenney wrote: > What's the story on the names Allium moly and A. luteum? Although the plant sold as Allium moly is one of the commonest of the garden alliums, it's not on the PBS wiki - nor is A. luteum. Or if they are there, I could not find them after a quick look. > From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Tue, 12 Jul 2016 17:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <57857DCF.8030805@pilling.demon.co.uk> From: David Pilling Subject: Allium moly and contributing to the pbs wiki Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 00:31:27 +0100 Hi, On 12/07/16 23:15, pelarg@aol.com wrote: > Exactly how can one upload info to the wiki Depends on the scale - for a few pictures and text, email them to me (by private email) and I will add them for you. If you want to add a lot of material, then talk to me and I can teach you how to use the wiki. We could do with some long term, seriously interested, wiki contributors. -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sun, 17 Jul 2016 17:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Website comments Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 16:21:01 -0700 At the PBS board meeting this morning we talked a little about the PBS website. I'm one of the people who answer questions that visitors to the site ask. Sometimes the questions are from visitors who do not know much English, and they ask how to join and similar things. We welcome comments from members of this forum who read English as a foreign language. Do you have suggestions about how we can make our website easier for people around the world to use? I also answer quite a few questions asking "how to buy the bulbs," but these come from all over the world, including the USA and UK. Apparently people get directly to the wiki via a search engine and misunderstand it as a sales catalog! Finally, thanks to all of you who have helped answer some of the questions I've forwarded to this list in the past. Jane McGary Membership Coordinator, PBS From enna1921@live.ca Sun, 17 Jul 2016 21:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Barbara McMullen Subject: Website comments Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 23:27:08 -0400 Short sentences and simple words are usually the best for speakers of English as a foreign language (except for latin names of plants, etc. which are universal). Also, avoid idiomatic expressions. -----Original Message----- From: Jane McGary Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 7:21 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: [pbs] Website comments At the PBS board meeting this morning we talked a little about the PBS website. I'm one of the people who answer questions that visitors to the site ask. Sometimes the questions are from visitors who do not know much English, and they ask how to join and similar things. We welcome comments from members of this forum who read English as a foreign language. Do you have suggestions about how we can make our website easier for people around the world to use? I also answer quite a few questions asking "how to buy the bulbs," but these come from all over the world, including the USA and UK. Apparently people get directly to the wiki via a search engine and misunderstand it as a sales catalog! Finally, thanks to all of you who have helped answer some of the questions I've forwarded to this list in the past. Jane McGary Membership Coordinator, PBS _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From mdoming@gmail.com Mon, 18 Jul 2016 00:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <054FC2CB-7B4F-41B1-B7C7-A1641F920E02@gmail.com> From: =?utf-8?Q?V=C3=ADctor_Hugo_Men=C3=A9ndez_Dom=C3=ADnguez?= Subject: Website comments Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 01:59:31 -0500 Hi Jane, I speak spanish as my primary language. If you like when you get a request in spanish I can help you in answered. Regards !! Víctor H. Menendez Enviado desde mi iPad > El 17/07/2016, a las 6:21 p.m., Jane McGary escribió: > > At the PBS board meeting this morning we talked a little about the PBS website. I'm one of the people who answer questions that visitors to the site ask. Sometimes the questions are from visitors who do not know much English, and they ask how to join and similar things. > > We welcome comments from members of this forum who read English as a foreign language. Do you have suggestions about how we can make our website easier for people around the world to use? > > I also answer quite a few questions asking "how to buy the bulbs," but these come from all over the world, including the USA and UK. Apparently people get directly to the wiki via a search engine and misunderstand it as a sales catalog! > > Finally, thanks to all of you who have helped answer some of the questions I've forwarded to this list in the past. > > Jane McGary > > Membership Coordinator, PBS > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From brian.whyer@btinternet.com Mon, 18 Jul 2016 04:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: <1279380993.1359158.1468836766120.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> From: Brian Whyer Subject: Brodiaea californica Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 10:12:46 +0000 (UTC) I bought a pot of this yesterday in a plant fair. 2 forms available, perversely 1 labelled up to 28" the other up to 24", but in similar bud the other way round. Mixed up at source I guess. Anything special I should know about it for the UK climate?Also bought Paris polyphylla. That was a surprise plant fair buy. ;-) Hopefully it has been pollinated before I bought it. I live in hope. Brian _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Mon, 18 Jul 2016 05:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: David Pilling Subject: Website comments Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 12:34:57 +0100 Hi, On 18/07/2016 00:21, Jane McGary wrote: > Do you have suggestions about how we can make our > website easier for people around the world to use? To me the "web site" is the six pages of html which cover PBS related things like what the PBS is and how to join. Then there is the "wiki" which is 100's of pages with 1000's of photos devoted to plants. Perhaps we could offer translated versions of these six pages, with the possible addition of the wiki home page. Maybe just a summary page in different languages which covers the basics clearly - like the PBS does not sell bulbs to order. I'm always relieved when web sites offer me an English language version, otherwise I use Google translate and that may be the cause of some misunderstanding. -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com From jwickham@sbcglobal.net Mon, 18 Jul 2016 06:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <417633798.1004097.1468846308382.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> From: John Wickham Subject: Brodiaea californica Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 12:51:48 +0000 (UTC) Most bulbs from California require a dry, dormant summer. The leaves of B. californica wither about the same time they begin to flower, and then they'll go into dormancy. At that point, you'll want to keep them in a dry, cool place. Not sure when they'll come out of dormancy in your location, so you'll want to watch that. Here in Los Angeles, they emerge around December and bloom in late May. I actually have some in the ground that are just ending bloom. I wouldn't characterize forms by size unless they are significantly different. I've seen the inflorescence reach as high as three feet. Those looked almost like an Agapanthus. Flower color can vary, that would be a better indicator of cultivar forms. John Wickham On Monday, July 18, 2016 3:17 AM, Brian Whyer wrote: I bought a pot of this yesterday in a plant fair. 2 forms available, perversely 1 labelled up to 28" the other up to 24", but in similar bud the other way round. Mixed up at source I guess. Anything special I should know about it for the UK climate?Also bought Paris polyphylla. That was a surprise plant fair buy. ;-) Hopefully it has been pollinated before I bought it. I live in hope. Brian _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From janemcgary@earthlink.net Mon, 18 Jul 2016 12:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <4becaeab-1d9a-5175-f888-dc0a2ea667f5@earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: Brodiaea californica Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 11:51:40 -0700 Brodiaea californica is probably the tallest of the western American Themidaceae, and also the latest to flower. Once established, the flowering stems can reach 3 feet/1 metre. It is a good garden plant for me in northwestern Oregon, given good drainage on a slope (a seedling flowering in clay on the flat is shorter). If you have a slope, plant it deeply. The leaves are usually withered by flowering time, and they are very long and lax, so it's best placed among other vegetation. Most of mine are among drought-tolerant shrubs such as manzanita (Arctostaphylos spp.) and Ceanothus. There is some color variation in this brodiaea, from pale pinkish to rich lavender. The corms produce offsets. Jane McGary Portland, Oregon, USA On 7/18/2016 3:12 AM, Brian Whyer wrote: > I bought a pot of this yesterday in a plant fair. 2 forms available, perversely 1 labelled up to 28" the other up to 24", but in similar bud the other way round. Mixed up at source I guess. Anything special I should know about it for the UK climate?Also bought Paris polyphylla. That was a surprise plant fair buy. ;-) Hopefully it has been pollinated before I bought it. I live in hope. > Brian > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From janemcgary@earthlink.net Mon, 18 Jul 2016 12:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Website comments Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 11:55:52 -0700 On 7/18/2016 4:34 AM, David Pilling wrote: > Perhaps we could offer translated versions of these six pages, with > the possible addition of the wiki home page. > > Maybe just a summary page in different languages which covers the > basics clearly - like the PBS does not sell bulbs to order. > > I'm always relieved when web sites offer me an English language > version, otherwise I use Google translate and that may be the cause > of some misunderstanding. > > I like the idea of a summary page with some of the "biggest" languages, particularly Asian ones if we can generate the writing systems or paste them in from contributions by native-language speakers among PBS members. Machine translation can indeed cause some misunderstanding, notably in horticulture. I'll never forget the startlingly translated note about seed donations that I got from a German speaker. . . . Jane McGary Portland, Oregon, USA From ds429@frontier.com Mon, 18 Jul 2016 13:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <220113.9208.bm@smtp215.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: Dell Sherk Subject: BX/SX Participation and PBS Dues Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 15:41:00 -0400 Dear Members, I need to remind you that BX and SX participation is open ONLY to folks who are current on their dues payments. Memberships expire with the calendar year. I ask that you do not order from the BX or the SX unless you are sure that your membership status is current. If you have questions or want to renew, please contact Membership chair Jane McGary at janemcgary@earthlink.com Unfortunately, I cannot send any items to members whose dues have expired. Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From robin@no1bird.net Mon, 18 Jul 2016 13:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <2FA3E347-879C-453B-B9D9-8E67284EE735@no1bird.net> From: Robin Carrier Subject: Fwd: BX/SX Participation and PBS Dues Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 15:52:40 -0400 to dell sherk your email address didn’t work my son pays my bills. please tell me if i am in arrears for the PBS dues. robin carrier and what they are and who to send them to. > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Dell Sherk > Subject: [pbs] BX/SX Participation and PBS Dues > Date: July 18, 2016 at 3:41:00 PM EDT > To: pbs > Reply-To: Pacific Bulb Society > > Dear Members, > > I need to remind you that BX and SX participation is open ONLY to folks who are current on their dues payments. Memberships expire with the calendar year. > > I ask that you do not order from the BX or the SX unless you are sure that your membership status is current. If you have questions or want to renew, please contact Membership chair Jane McGary at janemcgary@earthlink.com > > Unfortunately, I cannot send any items to members whose dues have expired. > > Best wishes, > Dell > > Dell Sherk, PBS BX > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From xerantheum@gmail.com Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Nhu Nguyen Subject: Amaryllis belladonna blooming project - year 5 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 13:18:04 -0700 Dear bulbophiles, The first Amaryllis belladonna of the season has popped in Berkeley. I'm continuing to collect data for the blooming time for this species. This would be the fifth annual email that I have sent out to the group requesting your help to collect data for a project. The main goal is to collect blooming time of Amaryllis belladonna to determine what cause the flowers to break dormancy and start growing. So far based on three year's data, the blooming time correlated with temperature. I would like to collect more data as it will support the temperature hypothesis. This is where you can help. Please visit the survey form below: http://goo.gl/forms/ntoV05wep9 Once you're there, just fill in the blanks and that's it. Please feel free to fill in as many times as you wish as they continue to bloom or if you see them elsewhere. Thanks in advance for your help! Nhu From garak@code-garak.de Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <135d717a-224b-a336-69c9-48f2e4d03eb2@code-garak.de> From: Garak Subject: Website comments Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 22:24:59 +0200 Hi Jane, I can offer German translation, no problem. Trouble with Google translation is, it always seems to translate to English internally when you use it on other languages, and a 2 step automatic translation usually ends up difficult to decipher. Bulb topics end particularly hilarious because Google insists to translate "bulb" as "Glühbirne" (light-bulb) instead of "Blumenzwiebel" ;-) If the Asian or Arabic char-sets prove to be trouble with the page, we can still generate jpgs with the most necessary information. Martin Am 18.07.2016 um 20:55 schrieb Jane McGary: > On 7/18/2016 4:34 AM, David Pilling wrote: >> Perhaps we could offer translated versions of these six pages, with >> the possible addition of the wiki home page. >> >> Maybe just a summary page in different languages which covers the >> basics clearly - like the PBS does not sell bulbs to order. >> >> I'm always relieved when web sites offer me an English language >> version, otherwise I use Google translate and that may be the cause >> of some misunderstanding. >> >> > I like the idea of a summary page with some of the "biggest" > languages, particularly Asian ones if we can generate the writing > systems or paste them in from contributions by native-language > speakers among PBS members. > > Machine translation can indeed cause some misunderstanding, notably in > horticulture. I'll never forget the startlingly translated note about > seed donations that I got from a German speaker. . . . > > Jane McGary > Portland, Oregon, USA > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki -- Martin ---------------------------------------------- Southern Germany Likely zone 7a From arnold140@verizon.net Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <5A89644A-C759-4298-9B1F-1FBD951D9E45@verizon.net> From: Arnold140 Subject: Fwd: BX/SX Participation and PBS Dues Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 16:55:41 -0400 Hi Robin: If you're paying with PayPal to: pbs.treasury@verizon.net Snail Mail to me at: PBS c/o Arnold Trachtenberg 140 lakeview ave Leonia. NJ 07605 Arnold Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 18, 2016, at 3:52 PM, Robin Carrier wrote: > > to dell sherk > your email address didn’t work > > my son pays my bills. please tell me if i am in arrears for the PBS dues. > > robin carrier > and what they are and who to send them to. > >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> From: Dell Sherk >> Subject: [pbs] BX/SX Participation and PBS Dues >> Date: July 18, 2016 at 3:41:00 PM EDT >> To: pbs >> Reply-To: Pacific Bulb Society >> >> Dear Members, >> >> I need to remind you that BX and SX participation is open ONLY to folks who are current on their dues payments. Memberships expire with the calendar year. >> >> I ask that you do not order from the BX or the SX unless you are sure that your membership status is current. If you have questions or want to renew, please contact Membership chair Jane McGary at janemcgary@earthlink.com >> >> Unfortunately, I cannot send any items to members whose dues have expired. >> >> Best wishes, >> Dell >> >> Dell Sherk, PBS BX >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: David Pilling Subject: Fwd: BX/SX Participation and PBS Dues Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 22:03:46 +0100 Hi, On 18/07/2016 21:55, Arnold140 wrote: > If you're paying with PayPal to: pbs.treasury@verizon.net Or use the web page form: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/membership.html The PayPal system from this form will also take credit cards if you're not a PayPal member. -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com From petersirises@gmail.com Mon, 18 Jul 2016 15:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Peter Taggart Subject: Brodiaea californica Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 22:17:53 +0100 I have no trouble with growing Brodiaes in the UK climate. (Derbyshire) Out of doors it will need a very well drained position, but Summer rain is not a problem. Undercover they are happy to be very dry from June to November inclusive. The off setts require some feeding, if in pots, to grow them to flowering size. I find that, in general, Californian bulbs seem to grow in the second half of Winter. Eurasian Winter growers generally start rooting in Autumn. Peter (UK) > > > On 7/18/2016 3:12 AM, Brian Whyer wrote: > >> Anything special I should know about it for the UK climate? > > From petersirises@gmail.com Mon, 18 Jul 2016 15:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Peter Taggart Subject: Website comments Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 22:28:59 +0100 I agree, short sentences are best. Peter (UK) On 18 July 2016 at 04:27, Barbara McMullen wrote: > Short sentences and simple words are usually the best for speakers of > English as a foreign language (except for latin names of plants, etc. which > are universal). Also, avoid idiomatic expressions. > > -----Original Message----- From: Jane McGary > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 7:21 PM > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: [pbs] Website comments > > From ralph.carpenter1@googlemail.com Mon, 18 Jul 2016 16:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: John Ralph Carpenter Subject: BX/SX Participation and PBS Dues Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 23:35:46 +0100 Hi Arnold, is my membership paid up? On Monday, 18 July 2016, Arnold140 wrote: > Hi Robin: > > If you're paying with PayPal to: pbs.treasury@verizon.net > > Snail Mail to me at: > > PBS c/o > Arnold Trachtenberg > 140 lakeview ave > Leonia. NJ 07605 > > Arnold > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 18, 2016, at 3:52 PM, Robin Carrier wrote: >> >> to dell sherk >> your email address didn’t work >> >> my son pays my bills. please tell me if i am in arrears for the PBS dues. >> >> robin carrier >> and what they are and who to send them to. >> >>> Begin forwarded message: >>> >>> From: Dell Sherk >>> Subject: [pbs] BX/SX Participation and PBS Dues >>> Date: July 18, 2016 at 3:41:00 PM EDT >>> To: pbs >>> Reply-To: Pacific Bulb Society >>> >>> Dear Members, >>> >>> I need to remind you that BX and SX participation is open ONLY to folks who are current on their dues payments. Memberships expire with the calendar year. >>> >>> I ask that you do not order from the BX or the SX unless you are sure that your membership status is current. If you have questions or want to renew, please contact Membership chair Jane McGary at janemcgary@earthlink.com >>> >>> Unfortunately, I cannot send any items to members whose dues have expired. >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> Dell >>> >>> Dell Sherk, PBS BX >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> pbs mailing list >>> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki -- Ralph Carpenter 2 & 3 Stone Cottages Chilmington Green Great Chart Ashford Kent TN23 3DW 01233 637567 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From arnold140@verizon.net Mon, 18 Jul 2016 20:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <30805296.1110614.1468896340810.JavaMail.root@tvweb133026.mailsrvcs.net> From: arnold140@verizon.net Subject: BX/SX Participation and PBS Dues Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 21:45:40 -0500 (CDT) John: I have you OK till the end of 2016. Regards, Arnold On 07/18/16, John Ralph Carpenter wrote: Hi Arnold, is my membership paid up? On Monday, 18 July 2016, Arnold140 wrote: > Hi Robin: > > If you're paying with PayPal to: pbs.treasury@verizon.net > > Snail Mail to me at: > > PBS c/o > Arnold Trachtenberg > 140 lakeview ave > Leonia. NJ 07605 > > Arnold > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 18, 2016, at 3:52 PM, Robin Carrier wrote: >> >> to dell sherk >> your email address didn’t work >> >> my son pays my bills. please tell me if i am in arrears for the PBS dues. >> >> robin carrier >> and what they are and who to send them to. >> >>> Begin forwarded message: >>> >>> From: Dell Sherk >>> Subject: [pbs] BX/SX Participation and PBS Dues >>> Date: July 18, 2016 at 3:41:00 PM EDT >>> To: pbs >>> Reply-To: Pacific Bulb Society >>> >>> Dear Members, >>> >>> I need to remind you that BX and SX participation is open ONLY to folks who are current on their dues payments. Memberships expire with the calendar year. >>> >>> I ask that you do not order from the BX or the SX unless you are sure that your membership status is current. If you have questions or want to renew, please contact Membership chair Jane McGary at janemcgary@earthlink.com >>> >>> Unfortunately, I cannot send any items to members whose dues have expired. >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> Dell >>> >>> Dell Sherk, PBS BX >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> pbs mailing list >>> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki -- Ralph Carpenter 2 & 3 Stone Cottages Chilmington Green Great Chart Ashford Kent TN23 3DW 01233 637567 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From wylie.young@yahoo.com Tue, 19 Jul 2016 01:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1434740665.1671340.1468915609634.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> From: Wylie Young Subject: Amaryllis belladonna blooming project Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 08:06:49 +0000 (UTC) I would like to participate, but do you want just the pink types, or should I do a separate survey for 'Fred Meyer White' as the time difference is about a month.William Young From robin@no1bird.net Tue, 19 Jul 2016 06:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Robin Carrier Subject: Fwd: BX/SX Participation and PBS Dues Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 08:55:55 -0400 i don’t understand this message robin carrier > > > On Monday, 18 July 2016, Arnold140 wrote: >> Hi Robin: >> >> If you're paying with PayPal to: pbs.treasury@verizon.net >> >> Snail Mail to me at: >> >> PBS c/o >> Arnold Trachtenberg >> 140 lakeview ave >> Leonia. NJ 07605 >> >> Arnold >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 18, 2016, at 3:52 PM, Robin Carrier wrote: >>> >>> to dell sherk >>> your email address didn’t work >>> >>> my son pays my bills. please tell me if i am in arrears for the PBS > dues. >>> >>> robin carrier >>> and what they are and who to send them to. >>> >>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>> >>>> From: Dell Sherk >>>> Subject: [pbs] BX/SX Participation and PBS Dues >>>> Date: July 18, 2016 at 3:41:00 PM EDT >>>> To: pbs >>>> Reply-To: Pacific Bulb Society >>>> >>>> Dear Members, >>>> >>>> I need to remind you that BX and SX participation is open ONLY to folks > who are current on their dues payments. Memberships expire with the > calendar year. >>>> >>>> I ask that you do not order from the BX or the SX unless you are sure > that your membership status is current. If you have questions or want to > renew, please contact Membership chair Jane McGary at > janemcgary@earthlink.com >>>> >>>> Unfortunately, I cannot send any items to members whose dues have > expired. >>>> >>>> Best wishes, >>>> Dell >>>> >>>> Dell Sherk, PBS BX >>>> _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From ds429@frontier.com Tue, 19 Jul 2016 11:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1501271030.1887195.1468951877494.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 404 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 18:11:17 +0000 (UTC) Dear All,       The items listed below have been donated by our members and friends to be shared. If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at mailto: ds429@frontier.com   Include "BX 404" in the subject line.         Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, too, in case I do not already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money (usually $2.00/share of seeds or $2 - $5/share of bulbs or seeds)(cash, check, or Pay Pal to ; no money orders, please) you should send the PBS treasurer. Postage and packaging charges are added.     Many of you are subscribers to this pbs elist which is free, but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society which has a yearly membership charge. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO UP-TO-DATE MEMBERS of the Pacific Bulb Society. If you are not a member, consider joining so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website:         If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS,(Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations.), please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: Dell Sherk 55 W. High St. Salem, WV 26426 USA Non US donors should contact Dell for instructions before sending seeds. ALL ORDERS TO THE FOLLOWING EMAIL ADDRESS ONLY. Dell's email address ds429@frontier.com Do not hit the reply tab or you will reply to all PBS members by mistake.             I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! From Monica Swartz: 1.       Seeds of Hymenocallis guerreroensis ex BX 209, though some H. phalangides seed may have gotten mixed in since they were both dropping seed all over the place 2.       Bulbs of Massonia echinata Mesa Gardens form ex BX 247 3.       Bulbs of Massonia echinata ex Roy Herold labeled M28 "depressa" From John Wickham: (CORMS) 4.       Tritonia crocata, ex UC Berkeley Bot Gar. 5.       Freesia elimensis (syn.? F. caryophyllacea) 6.       Tritonia ‘Rosy Picture’ 7.       Tritonia ‘Bermuda Sands’ 8.       Tritonia crocata, white, ex Annie’s Annuals 9.       Freesia fucata, ex UC Berkeley Bot. Gar. 10.   Tritonia hyb., pink, ex The Bulb Man 11.   Tritonia ‘Salmon’ 12.   Tritonia ‘Charles Puddles’ 13.   Tritonia ‘Avalanche’ 14.   Tritonia deusta subsp.miniata 15.   Tritonia parvula 16.   Tritonia lineata 17.   Tritonia flabellifolia From Pamela Slate: (BULBS) 18.   Nerine sarniensis ‘Miss Fraunce Clarke’ 19.   Ixia flexuosa, pink, ex BX 292 from Mike Mace, ex Jim Duggan 20.   Lachenalia aloides var. quadricolor, ex Plants for the Southwest 21.   Lachenalia contaminata From Ruth Jones: 22.   Small tubers of Cyclamen graecum 23.   Seed of Cyclamen graecum From Rimmer de Vries: 24.   Bulbs of Scilla (Hyacinthoides) lingulata ex Paul Otto- late fall blooming, zone 7 (or zone 4 in a cold frame)  25.  Seeds of Hymenocallis maximiliani(i) ex Telos (distinctly petiolate leaves that are thin in texture with a pronounced mid rib, up to 1.5 inch wide and a little glaucescent) very nice plant about 12 inches tall loves water while in growth, winter dormant/ dry. blooms in mid June in Michigan.  Plants form basal offsets.  Blooms a week so before the glaucous H. harrisiana (offered by Dutch importers) that has wider tepals. Blooms a full month before the H. leavenworthii offered by Telos (which looks similar but blooms 4-5 weeks later).  Flowers similar to those pictured in the PBS wiki  http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Hymenocallis However, leaves and flowers do not match the original description published in (Plant Life 38: 41, 1982) which describes linear or strap like leaves, a flatter staminal cup and narrower tepals. also leaves are much shorter than the 3 foot tall leaves described on the Plant Delights Perennial Encyclopedia for Hymenocallis maximiliani http://www.plantdelights.com/Hymenocallis-maximiliani-for-sale/Buy-Maximilians-Spider-Lilies/ .  perhaps a new species or a Mexican Alliance hybrid, (the hymenocallis section needs work)  Thank you , Monica, John, Pamela, Ruth, and Rimmer !! Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From totototo@telus.net Tue, 19 Jul 2016 13:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <578E8A26.7030609@telus.net> From: Rodger Whitlock Subject: Website comments Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 13:14:30 -0700 Martin wrote: > If the Asian or Arabic char-sets prove to be trouble with the page, > we can still generate jpgs with the most necessary information. Jane McGary had earlier written: > I like the idea of a summary page with some of the "biggest" > languages, particularly Asian ones if we can generate the writing > systems Virtually all modern computers have Unicode fully enabled. This means you can type in any language whose writing system has been unicodified. Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Thai, Vietnamese, various Indian languages, Arabic, Greek, Russian are all implemented. Of these, I suggest Chinese, Japanese, and Russian as the top priorities. We all are aware, I believe, that both China and Japan have long standing horticultural traditions. Russia may be a surprise, but Russia has gardeners and horticulturists too. [I've read that Russian horticulture tends to focus on lilacs because they are so hardy.] From totototo@telus.net Tue, 19 Jul 2016 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <578E8E88.7050608@telus.net> From: Rodger Whitlock Subject: Hope For Paws: Pit Bull rescue like you have never seen before! (Eden) - YouTube Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 13:33:12 -0700 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YWm74ViaKo From ds429@frontier.com Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1120827255.2547016.1469032743534.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: PBS BX 404 CLOSED Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 16:39:03 +0000 (UTC) Packages should out in a week or so. Enjoy, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX From jgglatt@gmail.com Wed, 20 Jul 2016 15:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <578FEEF9.7080700@gmail.com> From: Judy Glattstein Subject: Amorphophallus titan About to Flower at NYBG Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 17:36:57 -0400 Here's their news release - For the first time in nearly 80 years, one of the largest and most iconic flowers on Earth—the titan-arum—makes a rare public appearance at The New York Botanical Garden for a fleeting spectacle of size, color, and odor unlike any other in the plant kingdom. The bloom of our /Amorphophallus titanum/, known to many as the corpse flower, is a horticultural jewel 10 years in the making. Each day of careful tending and feeding has led up to this moment: a brief (up to 36 hours) yet glorious window in which the enormous plant (up to eight feet high) will unfurl, displaying the striking red interior and uncanny scent to which it owes its name. Whenever the titan-arum blooms, it causes a sensation. This may be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to experience what can only be described as a botanical phenomenon—don’t miss it! The /Amorphophallus titanum/ is on display in the Enid A. Haupt Conservatory and ready to open any day now. This unique plant is unpredictable and may be in flower for only one or two days, so check nybg.org and follow us on Facebook , Twitter , and Instagram for the latest updates. Get more information and tickets . _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From plicht@berkeley.edu Thu, 21 Jul 2016 09:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Paul LICHT Subject: Amorphophallus titan About to Flower at NYBG Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:52:59 -0700 Complete overhype. UC Berkeley has already had 9 blooms in the last decade On Jul 20, 2016 2:37 PM, "Judy Glattstein" wrote: > Here's their news release - > > > > > For the first time in nearly 80 years, one of the largest and most iconic > flowers on Earth—the titan-arum—makes a rare public appearance at The New > York Botanical Garden for a fleeting spectacle of size, color, and odor > unlike any other in the plant kingdom. > > The bloom of our /Amorphophallus titanum/, known to many as the corpse > flower, is a horticultural jewel 10 years in the making. Each day of > careful tending and feeding has led up to this moment: a brief (up to 36 > hours) yet glorious window in which the enormous plant (up to eight feet > high) will unfurl, displaying the striking red interior and uncanny scent > to which it owes its name. Whenever the titan-arum blooms, it causes a > sensation. > > This may be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to experience what can only > be described as a botanical phenomenon—don’t miss it! The /Amorphophallus > titanum/ is on display in the Enid A. Haupt Conservatory and ready to open > any day now. This unique plant is unpredictable and may be in flower for > only one or two days, so check nybg.org < > http://nybg.convio.net/site/R?i=e7AV7uft5igXVmmU5cvtIg> and follow us on > Facebook , > Twitter , and > Instagram for > the latest updates. Get more information and tickets < > http://nybg.convio.net/site/R?i=weC3ZEFf_dDGYxKhfYReAw>. > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From jgglatt@gmail.com Thu, 21 Jul 2016 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <579137FE.2030209@gmail.com> From: Judy Glattstein Subject: Dracunculus and Dogs Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 17:00:46 -0400 Some time ago I mentioned something about the rotting meat smell of dracunculus when in bloom and how odd it was that dogs totally ignored it. Someone did offer an explanation but I cannot find it. Anyone? An explanation / theory / suggestion - scientific or otherwise? It's academic, in any case, as after years and years of dracunculus in my garden it failed to show up this year. Judy in New Jersey where summer has definitely arrive, hot and mostly humid From arnold140@verizon.net Thu, 21 Jul 2016 20:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <7667550.1183114.1469157001110.JavaMail.root@tvweb133026.mailsrvcs.net> From: arnold140@verizon.net Subject: Bulb Garden Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 22:10:01 -0500 (CDT) The Bulb Garden Vol. 14 # 2 is in the mail. Included within is the membership directory. Anyone who is a current paid member and does not receive it within a two week time frame should let me know via my email address at arnold140@verizon.net. Enjoy. Arnold New Jersey From kellyo@wetrock.com Fri, 22 Jul 2016 04:17:07 -0700 Message-Id: <5791F8F6.519.31BB91@kellyo.wetrock.com> From: "Kelly O'Neill" Subject: Dracunculus and Dogs Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 03:44:06 -0700 On 21 Jul 2016 at 17:00, Judy Glattstein wrote: > Some time ago I mentioned something about the rotting meat smell of > dracunculus when in bloom and how odd it was that dogs totally ignored it. > > Someone did offer an explanation but I cannot find it. > > Anyone? An explanation / theory / suggestion - scientific or otherwise? ... I do not actually know the answer, but, It seems likely we think it smells like rotting meat and dogs can tell the difference easily due to having much better noses than us. Or maybe they chased the smell down one time and found it was not a good thing to get mixed up with and they stay away from it now... Kelly O'Neill aka Big Bubbler www.wetrock.com and http://www.bigbubblers.com and Wet Rock Gardens Flower Farm 2877 N 19th Street - Springfield, Oregon 97477 U-Pick and more at the farm (open 9 to 6, Sun, Wed and Fri - from March thru Halloween) kellyo@wetrock.com - http://www.wetrock.com From agiascach@hotmail.com Fri, 22 Jul 2016 05:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Andrew McDougall Subject: Dracunculus and Dogs Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 11:42:49 +0000 I think the answer is that dogs are not the intended pollinator, flies are. Insects and mammals are detecting different chemicals in the same scent, even if it is real rotting meat, and they have different odour receptors that have evolved independently. If the Dracunculus plants have had a mutation that produced a scent which was attractive to mammals in it's evolutionary history, it had not been effective in producing many pollination events and it has not reappeared commonly. Mutations that lead to reproductive success can be passed on to future generations. This means the production of insect attracting chemicals in this case. Andrew McDougall ________________________________ From: pbs on behalf of Judy Glattstein Sent: Friday, 22 July 2016 7:00 AM To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: [pbs] Dracunculus and Dogs Some time ago I mentioned something about the rotting meat smell of dracunculus when in bloom and how odd it was that dogs totally ignored it. Someone did offer an explanation but I cannot find it. Anyone? An explanation / theory / suggestion - scientific or otherwise? It's academic, in any case, as after years and years of dracunculus in my garden it failed to show up this year. Judy in New Jersey where summer has definitely arrive, hot and mostly humid _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php Pacific Bulb Society | List pacificbulbsociety.org The PBS List is an email discussion of bulbs, sponsored by the Pacific Bulb Society, for people around the world. Although bulbs (defined more broadly to include all ... http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From enoster@hotmail.com Fri, 22 Jul 2016 07:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Travis O Subject: A few photos of a few pollinators on a few bulbs Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 07:07:41 -0700 Hello PBS'ers, Just here to share a link with a few photos of a few pollinators foraging for sustenance on a few bulbs in my garden. Incidentally this also happens to be my one hundredth post to my website, which is a great time to reassess what I'm doing and decide whether I would like to keep doing the same or change it up a bit. We shall see. Nonetheless, what hasn't been eaten by above- or below ground herbivores is blooming happily in what has turned out to be a wet[ish] year (except for the past week, yesterday was 90°). Life continues as usual. http://www.amateuranthecologist.com/2016/07/floral-visitors-xxi.html or try the shortened link if the above doesn't work: http://goo.gl/E97CVt -Travis OwenRogue River, ORWhere the grass is always dead in summer. www.amateuranthecologist.comwww.oldsolbees.com From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Fri, 22 Jul 2016 08:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <994D648E-A727-4A2A-A4B6-4F3BFC94CB9C@kc.rr.com> From: James Waddick Subject: Dracunculus and Dogs Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 09:48:03 -0500 And Turkey Vultures… A few years ago we had 3 or 4 Dracunculus in bloom at the same time. We noticed a Turkey Vulture circling overhead - lower and lower. Eventually one of them sort of crash landed near the clump, but took off right away. We were pretty certain he was targeting the Dracunculus even from high in the sky. Jim W. Some time ago I mentioned something about the rotting meat smell of dracunculus when in bloom and how odd it was that dogs totally ignored it. Someone did offer an explanation but I cannot find it. Anyone? An explanation / theory / suggestion - scientific or otherwise? It's academic, in any case, as after years and years of dracunculus in my garden it failed to show up this year. Judy in New Jersey where summer has definitely arrive, hot and mostly humid Dr. James Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 USA Phone 816-746-1949 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From janemcgary@earthlink.net Fri, 22 Jul 2016 09:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <98370554-c7a2-cdbf-2557-363fadcfedf9@earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: Dracunculus and Dogs Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 09:17:40 -0700 For many years I shared my garden with Dracunculus and Alaskan Malamute dogs. I also have a pretty good sense of smell. When the Dracunculus flowered, I often misinterpreted the odor as a dead mole; the dogs often killed moles and shrews but didn't eat them, unlike the rodents and rabbits they killed. The dogs also didn't pay attention to the Dracunculus (though, interestingly, they liked to roll on garter snakes, including live ones, which I tried to rescue). Perhaps the plant's odor is similar to that of the carcass of an inedible animal? Jane McGary Portland, Oregon, USA On 7/22/2016 3:44 AM, Kelly O'Neill wrote: > On 21 Jul 2016 at 17:00, Judy Glattstein wrote: > >> Some time ago I mentioned something about the rotting meat smell of >> dracunculus when in bloom and how odd it was that dogs totally ignored it. >> >> Someone did offer an explanation but I cannot find it. >> >> Anyone? An explanation / theory / suggestion - scientific or otherwise? > ... > > I do not actually know the answer, but, It seems likely we think > it smells like rotting meat and dogs can tell the difference easily > due to having much better noses than us. Or maybe they > chased the smell down one time and found it was not a good > thing to get mixed up with and they stay away from it now... > > Kelly O'Neill aka Big Bubbler > www.wetrock.com and > http://www.bigbubblers.com > and Wet Rock Gardens Flower Farm > 2877 N 19th Street - Springfield, Oregon 97477 > U-Pick and more at the farm (open 9 to 6, Sun, > Wed and Fri - from March thru Halloween) > kellyo@wetrock.com - http://www.wetrock.com > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From teck11@embarqmail.com Fri, 22 Jul 2016 10:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <001501d1e43b$8ea55ba0$abf012e0$@embarqmail.com> From: "Tim Eck" Subject: Dracunculus and Dogs Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 13:07:40 -0400 Interesting. It seems it would be very detrimental to the plant and slightly detrimental to the animal if large animals could not distinguish the flower from real rotten flesh. Possibly one strong chemical and the lack of other associated decomposition chemicals tells large carrion eaters that it is a false signal, while flies don't process the information as well. Around here, paw paws are pollinated by carrion flies and friends hang chicken necks on the branches to attract pollinators. Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of James Waddick > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 10:48 AM > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] Dracunculus and Dogs > > And Turkey Vultures… > > A few years ago we had 3 or 4 Dracunculus in bloom at the same > time. We noticed a Turkey Vulture circling overhead - lower and lower. > Eventually one of them sort of crash landed near the clump, but took off right > away. > > We were pretty certain he was targeting the Dracunculus even from > high in the sky. > > Jim W. > > > > Some time ago I mentioned something about the rotting meat smell of > dracunculus when in bloom and how odd it was that dogs totally ignored it. > > Someone did offer an explanation but I cannot find it. > > Anyone? An explanation / theory / suggestion - scientific or otherwise? > > It's academic, in any case, as after years and years of dracunculus in my > garden it failed to show up this year. > > Judy in New Jersey where summer has definitely arrive, hot and mostly humid > Dr. James Waddick > 8871 NW Brostrom Rd > Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 > USA > Phone 816-746-1949 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From tylus.seklos@gmail.com Fri, 22 Jul 2016 11:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: The Silent Seed Subject: Dracunculus and Dogs Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 13:14:42 -0400 That gives a whole new meaning to "tastes like chicken!" On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 1:07 PM, Tim Eck wrote: > Interesting. > It seems it would be very detrimental to the plant and slightly > detrimental to the animal if large animals could not distinguish the flower > from real rotten flesh. Possibly one strong chemical and the lack of other > associated decomposition chemicals tells large carrion eaters that it is a > false signal, while flies don't process the information as well. > Around here, paw paws are pollinated by carrion flies and friends hang > chicken necks on the branches to attract pollinators. > Tim > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of James > Waddick > > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 10:48 AM > > To: Pacific Bulb Society > > Subject: Re: [pbs] Dracunculus and Dogs > > > > And Turkey Vultures… > > > > A few years ago we had 3 or 4 Dracunculus in bloom at the same > > time. We noticed a Turkey Vulture circling overhead - lower and lower. > > Eventually one of them sort of crash landed near the clump, but took off > right > > away. > > > > We were pretty certain he was targeting the Dracunculus even from > > high in the sky. > > > > Jim W. > > > > > > > > Some time ago I mentioned something about the rotting meat smell of > > dracunculus when in bloom and how odd it was that dogs totally ignored > it. > > > > Someone did offer an explanation but I cannot find it. > > > > Anyone? An explanation / theory / suggestion - scientific or otherwise? > > > > It's academic, in any case, as after years and years of dracunculus in my > > garden it failed to show up this year. > > > > Judy in New Jersey where summer has definitely arrive, hot and mostly > humid > > Dr. James Waddick > > 8871 NW Brostrom Rd > > Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 > > USA > > Phone 816-746-1949 > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From tiede@pacbell.net Fri, 22 Jul 2016 11:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <018b01d1e440$8a0a0f50$9e1e2df0$@net> From: "Bracey Tiede" Subject: Dracunculus and Dogs Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 10:43:15 -0700 OT - Article on Facebook today talked about the power of chicken odor to repel mosquitoes. Cheers, Bracey San Jose CA -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of The Silent Seed Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 10:15 AM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] Dracunculus and Dogs That gives a whole new meaning to "tastes like chicken!" On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 1:07 PM, Tim Eck wrote: > Interesting. > It seems it would be very detrimental to the plant and slightly > detrimental to the animal if large animals could not distinguish the flower > from real rotten flesh. Possibly one strong chemical and the lack of other > associated decomposition chemicals tells large carrion eaters that it is a > false signal, while flies don't process the information as well. > Around here, paw paws are pollinated by carrion flies and friends hang > chicken necks on the branches to attract pollinators. > Tim > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of James > Waddick > > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 10:48 AM > > To: Pacific Bulb Society > > Subject: Re: [pbs] Dracunculus and Dogs > > > > And Turkey Vultures… > > > > A few years ago we had 3 or 4 Dracunculus in bloom at the same > > time. We noticed a Turkey Vulture circling overhead - lower and lower. > > Eventually one of them sort of crash landed near the clump, but took off > right > > away. > > > > We were pretty certain he was targeting the Dracunculus even from > > high in the sky. > > > > Jim W. > > > > > > > > Some time ago I mentioned something about the rotting meat smell of > > dracunculus when in bloom and how odd it was that dogs totally ignored > it. > > > > Someone did offer an explanation but I cannot find it. > > > > Anyone? An explanation / theory / suggestion - scientific or otherwise? > > > > It's academic, in any case, as after years and years of dracunculus in my > > garden it failed to show up this year. > > > > Judy in New Jersey where summer has definitely arrive, hot and mostly > humid > > Dr. James Waddick > > 8871 NW Brostrom Rd > > Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 > > USA > > Phone 816-746-1949 > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From tylus.seklos@gmail.com Fri, 22 Jul 2016 11:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: The Silent Seed Subject: Dracunculus and Dogs Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 13:45:53 -0400 Does this include living chickens? On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 1:43 PM, Bracey Tiede wrote: > OT - Article on Facebook today talked about the power of chicken odor to > repel mosquitoes. > > Cheers, > Bracey > San Jose CA > > -----Original Message----- > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of The Silent > Seed > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 10:15 AM > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] Dracunculus and Dogs > > That gives a whole new meaning to "tastes like chicken!" > > On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 1:07 PM, Tim Eck wrote: > > > Interesting. > > It seems it would be very detrimental to the plant and slightly > > detrimental to the animal if large animals could not distinguish the > flower > > from real rotten flesh. Possibly one strong chemical and the lack of > other > > associated decomposition chemicals tells large carrion eaters that it is > a > > false signal, while flies don't process the information as well. > > Around here, paw paws are pollinated by carrion flies and friends hang > > chicken necks on the branches to attract pollinators. > > Tim > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of James > > Waddick > > > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 10:48 AM > > > To: Pacific Bulb Society > > > Subject: Re: [pbs] Dracunculus and Dogs > > > > > > And Turkey Vultures… > > > > > > A few years ago we had 3 or 4 Dracunculus in bloom at the same > > > time. We noticed a Turkey Vulture circling overhead - lower and lower. > > > Eventually one of them sort of crash landed near the clump, but took > off > > right > > > away. > > > > > > We were pretty certain he was targeting the Dracunculus even from > > > high in the sky. > > > > > > Jim W. > > > > > > > > > > > > Some time ago I mentioned something about the rotting meat smell of > > > dracunculus when in bloom and how odd it was that dogs totally ignored > > it. > > > > > > Someone did offer an explanation but I cannot find it. > > > > > > Anyone? An explanation / theory / suggestion - scientific or otherwise? > > > > > > It's academic, in any case, as after years and years of dracunculus in > my > > > garden it failed to show up this year. > > > > > > Judy in New Jersey where summer has definitely arrive, hot and mostly > > humid > > > Dr. James Waddick > > > 8871 NW Brostrom Rd > > > Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 > > > USA > > > Phone 816-746-1949 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > pbs mailing list > > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > > > -- > The Silent Seed > Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. > thesilentseed.com > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From tiede@pacbell.net Fri, 22 Jul 2016 11:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <018f01d1e444$a1b1d3f0$e5157bd0$@net> From: "Bracey Tiede" Subject: Dracunculus and Dogs Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 11:12:37 -0700 Sorry, I won't post any more about this but here's the link. Yes, it is about living chickens. They recommend hanging a caged chicken in your bedroom to discourage mosquitoes! http://www.livescience.com/55476-chickens-may-help-repel-malaria-carrying-mosquitoes.html Cheers, Bracey San Jose CA -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of The Silent Seed Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 10:46 AM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] Dracunculus and Dogs Does this include living chickens? On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 1:43 PM, Bracey Tiede wrote: > OT - Article on Facebook today talked about the power of chicken odor to > repel mosquitoes. > > Cheers, > Bracey > San Jose CA > > -----Original Message----- > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of The Silent > Seed > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 10:15 AM > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] Dracunculus and Dogs > > That gives a whole new meaning to "tastes like chicken!" > > On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 1:07 PM, Tim Eck wrote: > > > Interesting. > > It seems it would be very detrimental to the plant and slightly > > detrimental to the animal if large animals could not distinguish the > flower > > from real rotten flesh. Possibly one strong chemical and the lack of > other > > associated decomposition chemicals tells large carrion eaters that it is > a > > false signal, while flies don't process the information as well. > > Around here, paw paws are pollinated by carrion flies and friends hang > > chicken necks on the branches to attract pollinators. > > Tim > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of James > > Waddick > > > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 10:48 AM > > > To: Pacific Bulb Society > > > Subject: Re: [pbs] Dracunculus and Dogs > > > > > > And Turkey Vultures… > > > > > > A few years ago we had 3 or 4 Dracunculus in bloom at the same > > > time. We noticed a Turkey Vulture circling overhead - lower and lower. > > > Eventually one of them sort of crash landed near the clump, but took > off > > right > > > away. > > > > > > We were pretty certain he was targeting the Dracunculus even from > > > high in the sky. > > > > > > Jim W. > > > > > > > > > > > > Some time ago I mentioned something about the rotting meat smell of > > > dracunculus when in bloom and how odd it was that dogs totally ignored > > it. > > > > > > Someone did offer an explanation but I cannot find it. > > > > > > Anyone? An explanation / theory / suggestion - scientific or otherwise? > > > > > > It's academic, in any case, as after years and years of dracunculus in > my > > > garden it failed to show up this year. > > > > > > Judy in New Jersey where summer has definitely arrive, hot and mostly > > humid > > > Dr. James Waddick > > > 8871 NW Brostrom Rd > > > Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 > > > USA > > > Phone 816-746-1949 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > pbs mailing list > > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > > > -- > The Silent Seed > Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. > thesilentseed.com > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From jgglatt@gmail.com Fri, 22 Jul 2016 11:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <57926233.4030705@gmail.com> From: Judy Glattstein Subject: Corpse Flower and Stinky Blooms Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 14:13:07 -0400 It was not my intent to hype the NYBG corpse flower's imminent bloom whilst denigrating Amorphophallus titanum flowering elsewhere. At 85 miles from where I live this is the regionally most convenient for me to see. If other members in the area don't know about it, they cannot visit. That's all. Carrion beetles, dogs, carrion-eating birds - I love the information shared here! Would those of you who offered this excellent information allow me to include it when I update the corpse flower entry on my web site? Stink, Stank, Stunk: Corpse Flower at the New York Botanical Garden or if that does not work try http://www.bellewood-gardens.com/2016/NYBG Corpse Flower_2016-07.html From bea.spencer@sympatico.ca Fri, 22 Jul 2016 12:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <78738F18-E353-469C-9F95-C3ADF7FE5628@sympatico.ca> From: Bea Spencer Subject: Dracunculus and Dogs Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 14:25:21 -0400 Why did this message come through in something resembling Mandarin cum Arabic and an ancient cuneiform on my iPhone? It has happened before once or twice. I Can somebody enlighten a somewhat technology challenged grandma? 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Mariano Saviello mentioned this paper and showed Dylan Hannon and me some photos a week ago when he made a quick visit to Los Angeles. A number of years ago Mauro Peixoto offered seeds of Tocantinia mira and I managed to get a few and germinate them. However, since I could find utterly no information about them and how they should be grown, I defaulted to growing them with my other Brazilian Hippeastrum species. I ended up with 2 or 3 seedlings that hardly grew at all although they kept coming back every year for a number of years. I think my default care was a mistake given the statement in the new entry in the wiki that “this bulbous genus is endemic to Brazil and grows in in chemically poor, shallow and sandy soils from the Cerrado Biome. Flowering occurs after a rainfall that marks the beginning of the rainy season and lasts about two to three days once a year some time from November to January.” I’m sure I watered them far too much during the warmer part of the year, and kept their soil too moist during the winter. They finally disappeared a couple of years ago. By chance did anyone else get some of these seeds and get them to grow properly, or even thrive? --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m > On Jul 24, 2016, at 4:44 PM, David Pilling wrote: > > Hi, > > We recently added a new genus of Amaryllidaceae - Tocantinia - to the PBS wiki: > > http://goo.gl/QmEpum > > Original URL: > > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Tocantinia > > > -- > David Pilling > www.davidpilling.com > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Mon, 25 Jul 2016 18:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: David Pilling Subject: Tocantinia Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 01:37:16 +0100 Hi, On 26/07/16 01:13, Lee Poulsen wrote: > By chance did anyone else get some of these seeds and get them to grow properly, or even thrive? I had a look if there had been any previous postings to the PBS list about this genus [1]. Seeing that there were for T. mira (people growing it from seed), I thought about what I'd just seen on the wiki "is known only by the type collection" i.e. it is lost. Asking the experts about the seeds being grown, got the response "This is a myth, we already discovered it is not true and it was a Hybrid of Hippeastrum " Seemingly Tocantinia is difficult to grow, if anyone has had success with any species it would be of interest. [1] http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbslist/2016-July/#q=Tocantinia -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com From jshields46074@gmail.com Mon, 25 Jul 2016 18:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: James SHIELDS Subject: Tocantinia Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 20:42:38 -0400 I got the same seeds as Lee, and Alan Meerow confirmed they are hybrids with Hippeastrum. No, Lee, mine have never bloomed either! A few bulbs may still be alive in some of the pots.... On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 8:37 PM, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > On 26/07/16 01:13, Lee Poulsen wrote: > >> By chance did anyone else get some of these seeds and get them to grow >> properly, or even thrive? >> > > I had a look if there had been any previous postings to the PBS list about > this genus [1]. Seeing that there were for T. mira (people growing it from > seed), I thought about what I'd just seen on the wiki "is known only by the > type collection" i.e. it is lost. > > Asking the experts about the seeds being grown, got the response "This is > a myth, we already discovered it is not true and it was a Hybrid of > Hippeastrum " > > Seemingly Tocantinia is difficult to grow, if anyone has had success with > any species it would be of interest. > > > [1] > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbslist/2016-July/#q=Tocantinia > > > -- > David Pilling > www.davidpilling.com > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > -- James Shields jshields46074@gmail.com P.O. Box 92 Westfield, IN 46074 U.S.A. From jan.rogo@ntlworld.com Tue, 26 Jul 2016 03:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <227480165.1958122.1469525881958.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxbe19.tb.ukmail.iss.as9143.net> From: ROGOZINSKI JON Subject: Bulb Garden Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 10:38:01 +0100 (BST) Arrived safely in UK today - thanks. Jan > > On 22 July 2016 at 04:10 arnold140@verizon.net wrote: > > > The Bulb Garden Vol. 14 # 2 is in the mail. > > Included within is the membership directory. > > Anyone who is a current paid member and does not receive it within a two > week time frame should let me know via my email address at > arnold140@verizon.net. > > Enjoy. > > Arnold > New Jersey > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From arnold140@verizon.net Tue, 26 Jul 2016 05:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <21219563.1691238.1469533981087.JavaMail.root@tvweb133032.mailsrvcs.net> From: arnold140@verizon.net Subject: Bulb Garden Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 06:53:01 -0500 (CDT) John: thanks, I think that's very good postal service on both sides. Arnold On 07/26/16, ROGOZINSKI JON wrote: Arrived safely in UK today - thanks. Jan > > On 22 July 2016 at 04:10 arnold140@verizon.net wrote: > > > The Bulb Garden Vol. 14 # 2 is in the mail. > > Included within is the membership directory. > > Anyone who is a current paid member and does not receive it within a two > week time frame should let me know via my email address at > arnold140@verizon.net. > > Enjoy. > > Arnold > New Jersey > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From glenjamieson@yahoo.co.uk Tue, 26 Jul 2016 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1829933752.8988727.1469565594509.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> From: glen jamieson Subject: Bulb Garden Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 20:39:54 +0000 (UTC) Bulb Garden arrived in UK today , tabs holding it together looked a little worse for wearbut contents OK. Great article Glen From: "arnold140@verizon.net" To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Sent: Tuesday, 26 July 2016, 12:53 Subject: Re: [pbs] Bulb Garden John: thanks, I think that's very good postal service on both sides. Arnold On 07/26/16, ROGOZINSKI JON wrote: Arrived safely in UK today - thanks. Jan > > On 22 July 2016 at 04:10 arnold140@verizon.net wrote: > > > The Bulb Garden Vol. 14 # 2 is in the mail. > > Included within is the membership directory. > > Anyone who is a current paid member and does not receive it within a two > week time frame should let me know via my email address at > arnold140@verizon.net. > > Enjoy. > > Arnold > New Jersey > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From arnold140@verizon.net Tue, 26 Jul 2016 20:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <27737180.1714247.1469588595193.JavaMail.root@tvweb133032.mailsrvcs.net> From: arnold140@verizon.net Subject: Bulb Garden Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 22:03:15 -0500 (CDT) Thanks Glen. Seems like the postal handling machine can tear up some items. Arnold On 07/26/16, glen jamieson wrote: Bulb Garden arrived in UK today , tabs holding it together looked a little worse for wearbut contents OK. Great article Glen From: "arnold140@verizon.net" To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Sent: Tuesday, 26 July 2016, 12:53 Subject: Re: [pbs] Bulb Garden John: thanks, I think that's very good postal service on both sides. Arnold On 07/26/16, ROGOZINSKI JON wrote: Arrived safely in UK today - thanks. Jan > > On 22 July 2016 at 04:10 arnold140@verizon.net wrote: > > > The Bulb Garden Vol. 14 # 2 is in the mail. > > Included within is the membership directory. > > Anyone who is a current paid member and does not receive it within a two > week time frame should let me know via my email address at > arnold140@verizon.net. > > Enjoy. > > Arnold > New Jersey > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From msittner@mcn.org Wed, 27 Jul 2016 08:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <4fdcd867-71cb-eba9-2bc0-543142fca4a3@mcn.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Tocantinia Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 07:27:24 -0700 I quote from the paper: "The original population of the collection was not located, as well as subsequent collections of this species" and "Conservation Status: The species is known only by the type collection and the population was not yet located in habitat." That raises a lot of questions about what the plants were that Ravenna named and makes it puzzling how anyone could grow seeds of this named species. On the other hand the authors also write: "The genus Tocantinia consists of rare plants from the Cerrado Biome, which are in gregarious populations, tough composed of relatively large number of individuals." And one of the photos from the paper shows a lot of plants in flower so the two new species have been found in habitat. They also write: "In a morphological-phylogenetic context, the genus is related to other genera of Hippeastrinae, especially with Habranthus, Hippeastrum and Zephyranthes." Blooming after rainfall and only very briefly certainly seems similar to the other "rain lilies". It sounds to me that for a gardener it wouldn't be a very satisfactory genus to try to grow as it would be difficult to create the conditions it was used to and if you did get it to bloom, the bloom would be at night and very brief. But then many of us have grown and continue to grow some short blooming Irids from South Africa. Mary Sue From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Fri, 29 Jul 2016 10:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1752149453.7770923.1469811633553.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: Bulb Garden Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 17:00:33 +0000 (UTC) There  seems to be a missing block of text at the transition between pages 4 and 5 in the current edition of The Bulb Garden. The text of page 5 begins "grow. The first is..." as if it had bee preceded by a list of some sort. Nhu, what's missing? By the way, I enjoyed this article a lot. Thanks for doing it!  Jim McKenney _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From tiede@pacbell.net Fri, 29 Jul 2016 13:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <004201d1e9d0$f1d6f180$d584d480$@net> From: "Bracey Tiede" Subject: Bulb Garden Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 12:39:37 -0700 Have not received my copy yet here in San Jose. Bracey -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Jim McKenney Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 10:01 AM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] Bulb Garden There seems to be a missing block of text at the transition between pages 4 and 5 in the current edition of The Bulb Garden. The text of page 5 begins "grow. The first is..." as if it had bee preceded by a list of some sort. Nhu, what's missing? By the way, I enjoyed this article a lot. Thanks for doing it! Jim McKenney --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From kimcmich@hotmail.com Fri, 29 Jul 2016 13:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Kipp McMichael Subject: Bulb Garden Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 13:11:43 -0700 Greetings, My copy arrived in Berkeley 2 days ago... -| From: tiede@pacbell.net > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 12:39:37 -0700 > Subject: Re: [pbs] Bulb Garden > > Have not received my copy yet here in San Jose. > > Bracey > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Jim McKenney > Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 10:01 AM > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] Bulb Garden > > There seems to be a missing block of text at the transition between pages 4 and 5 in the current edition of The Bulb Garden. The text of page 5 begins "grow. The first is..." as if it had bee preceded by a list of some sort. Nhu, what's missing? By the way, I enjoyed this article a lot. Thanks for doing it! Jim McKenney > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From allenb@alum.wpi.edu Fri, 29 Jul 2016 22:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Allen Buchinski Subject: Bulb Garden Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 13:43:50 -0700 FYI, my copy came two or three days ago. This edition came with a list of people and I noticed you’re not on it, although the list isn’t labeled and I’d have thought it would be quite a bit longer if it was the full membership. > On Jul 29, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Bracey Tiede wrote: > > Have not received my copy yet here in San Jose. > > Bracey > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Jim McKenney > Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 10:01 AM > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] Bulb Garden > > There seems to be a missing block of text at the transition between pages 4 and 5 in the current edition of The Bulb Garden. The text of page 5 begins "grow. The first is..." as if it had bee preceded by a list of some sort. Nhu, what's missing? By the way, I enjoyed this article a lot. Thanks for doing it! Jim McKenney > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From sarahh@suiattle.net Fri, 29 Jul 2016 22:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <4afeb0d6-cb85-cd11-f862-e506ff688309@suiattle.net> From: Sarah Hinckley Subject: Bulb Garden Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 21:46:47 -0700 Have not received mine in Washington State either. Sarah On 7/29/2016 12:39 PM, Bracey Tiede wrote: > Have not received my copy yet here in San Jose. > > Bracey > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Jim McKenney > Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 10:01 AM > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] Bulb Garden > > There seems to be a missing block of text at the transition between pages 4 and 5 in the current edition of The Bulb Garden. The text of page 5 begins "grow. The first is..." as if it had bee preceded by a list of some sort. Nhu, what's missing? By the way, I enjoyed this article a lot. Thanks for doing it! Jim McKenney > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From arnold140@verizon.net Sat, 30 Jul 2016 06:24:16 -0700 Message-Id: <27848741.1816243.1469881728005.JavaMail.root@tvweb133039.mailsrvcs.net> From: arnold140@verizon.net Subject: Bulb Garden Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 07:28:47 -0500 (CDT) Sarah: Your copy will be in the mail today. thanks for letting me know. Arnold On 07/30/16, Sarah Hinckley wrote: Have not received mine in Washington State either. Sarah On 7/29/2016 12:39 PM, Bracey Tiede wrote: > Have not received my copy yet here in San Jose. > > Bracey > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Jim McKenney > Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 10:01 AM > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] Bulb Garden > > There seems to be a missing block of text at the transition between pages 4 and 5 in the current edition of The Bulb Garden. The text of page 5 begins "grow. The first is..." as if it had bee preceded by a list of some sort. Nhu, what's missing? By the way, I enjoyed this article a lot. Thanks for doing it! Jim McKenney > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From robin@hansennursery.com Sat, 30 Jul 2016 09:41:43 -0700 Message-Id: <000601d1ea76$7967eeb0$6c37cc10$@hansennursery.com> From: "Hansen Nursery" Subject: Bulb Garden Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 08:24:32 -0700 I received my copy of the Bulb Garden 2-3 days ago in southwestern Oregon. That said, I have noticed some obvious deterioration in the timeliness of postal mail delivery of late. Documents I should have received in 5-7 days have taken 10-11, etc. So for anyone who has not received their journal please notify Arnold if you don't have it by Wednesday of next week. Robin Hansen Editor, PBS Bulb Journal Hansen Nursery robin@hansennursery.com -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Allen Buchinski Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 1:44 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] Bulb Garden FYI, my copy came two or three days ago. This edition came with a list of people and I noticed you’re not on it, although the list isn’t labeled and I’d have thought it would be quite a bit longer if it was the full membership. > On Jul 29, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Bracey Tiede wrote: > > Have not received my copy yet here in San Jose. > > Bracey > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Jim McKenney > Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 10:01 AM > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] Bulb Garden > > There seems to be a missing block of text at the transition between pages 4 and 5 in the current edition of The Bulb Garden. The text of page 5 begins "grow. The first is..." as if it had bee preceded by a list of some sort. Nhu, what's missing? By the way, I enjoyed this article a lot. Thanks for doing it! 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7690 / Virus Database: 4627/12709 - Release Date: 07/29/16 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From cynthiasbulbs@hotmail.com Sat, 30 Jul 2016 09:42:31 -0700 Message-Id: From: Cynthia Mueller Subject: Bulb Garden Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 15:31:44 +0000 Robin, thanks to you and all for creating the Bulbs bulletin and membership list! -Cynthia Mueller Cynthia W Mueller > On Jul 30, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Hansen Nursery wrote: > > I received my copy of the Bulb Garden 2-3 days ago in southwestern Oregon. That said, I have noticed some obvious deterioration in the timeliness of postal mail delivery of late. Documents I should have received in 5-7 days have taken 10-11, etc. So for anyone who has not received their journal please notify Arnold if you don't have it by Wednesday of next week. > > Robin Hansen > Editor, PBS Bulb Journal > > Hansen Nursery > robin@hansennursery.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Allen Buchinski > Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 1:44 PM > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] Bulb Garden > > FYI, my copy came two or three days ago. This edition came with a list of people and I noticed you’re not on it, although the list isn’t labeled and I’d have thought it would be quite a bit longer if it was the full membership. > > > >> On Jul 29, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Bracey Tiede wrote: >> >> Have not received my copy yet here in San Jose. >> >> Bracey >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Jim McKenney >> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 10:01 AM >> To: Pacific Bulb Society >> Subject: Re: [pbs] Bulb Garden >> >> There seems to be a missing block of text at the transition between pages 4 and 5 in the current edition of The Bulb Garden. The text of page 5 begins "grow. The first is..." as if it had bee preceded by a list of some sort. Nhu, what's missing? By the way, I enjoyed this article a lot. Thanks for doing it! Jim McKenney >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2016.0.7690 / Virus Database: 4627/12709 - Release Date: 07/29/16 > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From jgglatt@gmail.com Sun, 31 Jul 2016 12:26:49 -0700 Message-Id: <579E44C5.7080602@gmail.com> From: Judy Glattstein Subject: Excitement in the Greenhouse Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 14:34:45 -0400 Excitement in the greenhouse! I stepped inside my glass-to-ground lean-to greenhouse and it was hot! Intake fan not running, vent louvers not open. Went to check the thermostat for the system, which has a small cover over the top of the coil to protect it from the sun. And an agitated wasp flew out. My quick glimpse showed me a couple more crawling over a nest. Yikes! Back away. Discuss with Mr Jam Lord. Flip switch inside greenhouse to off. Get the can of wasp and hornet spray, edge into the greenhouse - and a wasp lands on the can. Reflexively slap the lid over the top, thus trapping wasp. Now what? Exit to driveway. Shake can repeatedly, hoping to dizzy the wasp, then squash it. Remove cover and it flew off. Sigh. Into greenhouse, tap spray nest, stunning both wasps which I squashed. Remove cover. Back outside to driveway. Shake nest loose and step all over that. Back into greenhouse and see there is a mud dauber wasp nest attached to coil, filling all the space to wall. Break that loose, remove dust, turn switch to on. Nothing happens. Lights in greenhouse do not turn on either. Trudge over to circuit breaker box. Figure out which circuit is for greenhouse. Reset. Eureka! Fans run, louvers open. And now I don't even remember why I went in there to begin with. But I'm sure glad I did. Also glad there are two roof vents that operate on expansion of wax cylinder. Imagine how hot it could have gotten without them. From jan.rogo@ntlworld.com Sun, 31 Jul 2016 12:26:49 -0700 Message-Id: <784447342.2138641.1469991166751.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxbe7.tb.ukmail.iss.as9143.net> From: ROGOZINSKI JON Subject: Excitement in the Greenhouse Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 19:52:46 +0100 (BST) The finale to this must be "Then I woke up." Jan > > On 31 July 2016 at 19:34 Judy Glattstein wrote: > > > Excitement in the greenhouse! > > I stepped inside my glass-to-ground lean-to greenhouse and it was hot! > Intake fan not running, vent louvers not open. Went to check the > thermostat for the system, which has a small cover over the top of the > coil to protect it from the sun. And an agitated wasp flew out. My quick > glimpse showed me a couple more crawling over a nest. Yikes! > > Back away. Discuss with Mr Jam Lord. Flip switch inside greenhouse to > off. Get the can of wasp and hornet spray, edge into the greenhouse - > and a wasp lands on the can. Reflexively slap the lid over the top, thus > trapping wasp. Now what? > > Exit to driveway. Shake can repeatedly, hoping to dizzy the wasp, then > squash it. Remove cover and it flew off. Sigh. > > Into greenhouse, tap spray nest, stunning both wasps which I squashed. > Remove cover. Back outside to driveway. Shake nest loose and step all > over that. > > Back into greenhouse and see there is a mud dauber wasp nest attached to > coil, filling all the space to wall. Break that loose, remove dust, turn > switch to on. Nothing happens. Lights in greenhouse do not turn on either. > > Trudge over to circuit breaker box. Figure out which circuit is for > greenhouse. Reset. Eureka! Fans run, louvers open. > > And now I don't even remember why I went in there to begin with. But I'm > sure glad I did. Also glad there are two roof vents that operate on > expansion of wax cylinder. Imagine how hot it could have gotten without > them. > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >