From ldiane.whitehead@gmail.com Wed, 02 Nov 2016 21:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <2B0421C2-9848-4310-894F-3594860D9159@islandnet.com> From: Diane Whitehead Subject: out of season tulips Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 21:15:49 -0700 My grocery store has had bunches of tulips for sale for the past couple of weeks. I thought at first they were imported, but the sign said they were grown in British Columbia (Canada). So, how does one manage that? Keep them in the fridge for the summer? Diane Whitehead Victoria, British Columbia, Canada From lmf@beautifulblooms.ab.ca Wed, 02 Nov 2016 22:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Linda Foulis Subject: out of season tulips Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 22:43:09 -0600 Very confused tulips. There are a lot of bulbs on sale here quite cheap, but I'll wait and see how my free garden exchange bulbs do first before soaking money into something that may just be a snack for deer, moose, elk, who knows? Linda Foulis North of Leslieville, AB > On Nov 2, 2016, at 10:15 PM, Diane Whitehead wrote: > > My grocery store has had bunches of tulips for sale for the past couple of weeks. I thought at first they were > imported, but the sign said they were grown in British Columbia (Canada). > > So, how does one manage that? Keep them in the fridge for the summer? > > Diane Whitehead > Victoria, British Columbia, Canada > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From pearlsperson@gmail.com Thu, 03 Nov 2016 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Sue Mandeville Subject: Thank you to PBS Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 13:23:25 -0700 I joined PBS to learn more about growing bulbs, in particular Hippestrum papilio. It bloomed the year I bought it and has never bloomed since. From one bulb, I now have 3 mature bulbs. I read about Hippestrum papilio on the PBS website and discovered it is an epiphyte. Using that information, I transplanted it to a terra cotta pot in orchid bark chunks. Three months later it is putting out two flower buds. Thank you, PBS and all PBS members, for providing such good information! Sue Mandeville From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Thu, 03 Nov 2016 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <123847698.777873.1478206168856@mail.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: Thank you to PBS Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 20:49:28 +0000 (UTC) Sue, do you grow Mandevilla?Jim McKenney From stnalpsoel@gmail.com Thu, 03 Nov 2016 15:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Leo Martin Subject: out of season tulips Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 14:57:03 -0700 I would suspect imported bulbs forced in Canada. Leo Martin Zone ? Phoenix Arizona USA From garak@code-garak.de Fri, 04 Nov 2016 01:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <2824c6a9-162d-0f9d-89c7-c158f5049847@code-garak.de> From: Garak Subject: amaryllids and cats? Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 08:37:39 +0100 Hi list, I'm about to adopt a young tomcat into my house and my heart, and I've heard that they may be inclined to nibble on "Amaryllis", which is said to be poisonous to them. Now, this information came from such part of the population who most likely meant Hippeastrum when saying Amaryllis, but I want to be sure not to put the little fellow into danger. So I've got 2 questions: 1.: I know Boophone to be poisonous to stock, but what about the rest of the family: I've got nerines, brunsvigia seedlings, Rhodophialas, Lycoris, a neighbor has a clivia, and there are of course Galanthus and Narcissus everywhere around, not a garden without them in southern Germany - i guess if the latter two were a problem, there'd be dead cats all around the place... 2.: How strong is the urge to try them? I know cats need grass to deal with their own hair which they consume during cleaning themselves. I'm comfortable with locking away amaryllids inhouse, but as the little fellow will be allowed to "roam the lands", is there any need to protect plants and animal in the garden? I mean there's plenty of grass around there, as well as other plants that I know to draw the attention of cats (did you know they go mad for kiwi plants?)... -- Martin ---------------------------------------------- Southern Germany Likely zone 7a From david@davidpilling.com Fri, 04 Nov 2016 05:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: From: David Pilling Subject: amaryllids and cats? Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 11:34:19 +0000 Hi Garak, On 04/11/2016 07:37, Garak wrote: > I'm about to adopt a young tomcat into my house and my heart, and I've > heard that they may be inclined to nibble on "Amaryllis", which is said > to be poisonous to them. Now, this information came from such part of Google sets the background: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=amaryllis+cats Lots of pages with adverts, so a common question. I have a small garden packed with daffodils, it has never done my neighbour's cat any harm and it spends hours hiding amongst the flowers. My non-cat owning experience - work out how you will extract it from neighbours' garages. They also emerge unscathed from these, despite the extreme risks to man and feline within. -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com From jshields46074@gmail.com Fri, 04 Nov 2016 05:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: From: James SHIELDS Subject: amaryllids and cats? Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 07:39:17 -0400 Hi Garak, All plants in the Amaryllis Family (Narcissus, Lycoris, Hippeastrum, Clivia, Crinum, Boophone, Haemanthus, and many many others) contain toxic alkaloids. The degree of toxicity varies greatly from genus to genus, but don't let anyone or anything try eating any amaryllid. My cats over the years have rarely if ever nibbled on any of my amaryllids. We do try to keep a pot of growing grass sitting around somewhere in the house at all times. Jim On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 3:37 AM, Garak wrote: > Hi list, > > I'm about to adopt a young tomcat into my house and my heart, and I've > heard that they may be inclined to nibble on "Amaryllis", which is said to > be poisonous to them. Now, this information came from such part of the > population who most likely meant Hippeastrum when saying Amaryllis, but I > want to be sure not to put the little fellow into danger. So I've got 2 > questions: > > 1.: I know Boophone to be poisonous to stock, but what about the rest of > the family: I've got nerines, brunsvigia seedlings, Rhodophialas, Lycoris, > a neighbor has a clivia, and there are of course Galanthus and Narcissus > everywhere around, not a garden without them in southern Germany - i guess > if the latter two were a problem, there'd be dead cats all around the > place... > > 2.: How strong is the urge to try them? I know cats need grass to deal > with their own hair which they consume during cleaning themselves. I'm > comfortable with locking away amaryllids inhouse, but as the little fellow > will be allowed to "roam the lands", is there any need to protect plants > and animal in the garden? I mean there's plenty of grass around there, as > well as other plants that I know to draw the attention of cats (did you > know they go mad for kiwi plants?)... > > -- > Martin > ---------------------------------------------- > Southern Germany > Likely zone 7a > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > -- James Shields jshields46074@gmail.com P.O. Box 92 Westfield, IN 46074 U.S.A. From brian.whyer@btinternet.com Fri, 04 Nov 2016 05:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: <1274215270.472329.1478261018813@mail.yahoo.com> From: Brian Whyer Subject: amaryllids and cats? Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 12:03:38 +0000 (UTC) They do like to make use of dry sand and fine gravel under greenhouse benches for a latrine. I have for many years now left a coarse mesh gate across my open greenhouses in summer. Keeps pheasants out too here.Never lived in a non green environment so can't say about grass but dogs eat it often. Avoid "very loose" fitting collars, with bird warning bells. Found a collar with bell and small skeleton caught on a rusty nail once. Brian, UK From teck11@embarqmail.com Fri, 04 Nov 2016 08:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <008801d236a8$c6ec3460$54c49d20$@embarqmail.com> From: "Tim Eck" Subject: amaryllids and cats? Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 10:36:05 -0400 I second the warning about collars and (outdoor) cats. Years ago, I was working outside and a very skinny black cat with a flea collar limped up to me. One front leg was stuck in the collar (which it had been trying to remove) and probably had been for over a week. I cut it off with a pair of dikes and there were severe sores on leg and neck, but it survived. My cats do not eat my amaryllids but this last year some white-tailed deer have become inordinately fond of crinum and hippeastrum and destroyed a lot of H. papilio hybrids which were without leaves at the time. They ate the bulbs down to the base. Since the crinum bulbs are generally buried, they mostly just consume the foliage. My cats generally do little damage other than walking across seedlings but I had one cat-related incident with a nice C. lavranii x C. hardyi hybrid blooming for the first time with 6" high foliage and a 30" bloomstalk. I was out hand-pollinating and was looking forward to crossing this plant which was being visited by a hawk moth at the moment. I caught a motion out of the corner of my eye as Tertium Quid (my cat) jumped up to get the hawk moth and decapitated the bloomstalk. Maybe next year... Tim Eck When a philosopher says something that is true, then it is trivial. When he says something that is not trivial, then it is false. Gauss > -----Original Message----- > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Brian Whyer > Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 8:04 AM > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] amaryllids and cats? > > They do like to make use of dry sand and fine gravel under greenhouse > benches for a latrine. I have for many years now left a coarse mesh gate > across my open greenhouses in summer. Keeps pheasants out too here.Never > lived in a non green environment so can't say about grass but dogs eat it > often. Avoid "very loose" fitting collars, with bird warning bells. Found a collar > with bell and small skeleton caught on a rusty nail once. > Brian, UK > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From wpoulsen@pacbell.net Fri, 04 Nov 2016 09:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <93A94C98-FEE8-4B25-8398-78961555367B@pacbell.net> From: Lee Poulsen Subject: amaryllids and cats? Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 08:50:29 -0700 We’ve had cats since before I started growing all kinds of bulbs. Given my climate, all my bulbs are grown outside, most of them in pots. I’ve never had a cat nibble on any of them. They seem to only want to nibble on grass or grass-like weeds which they nibble on while I’m pulling them out. Occasionally I’ve found a cat print in a pot, but they;re not very heavy so it’s never damaged any of my plants. What has damaged some of my plants occasionally are raccoons roaming the backyard in the middle of the night. Sometimes, for no reason I can see, they tip over pots or turn them upside down. So I always have to check for these before going to work during the warmer part of the year so that a knocked over plant doesn’t die in the heat of the day. Rarely, they’ve also chewed on labels, which thankfully they tend to leave lying in the pot or nearby. --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From lmf@beautifulblooms.ab.ca Fri, 04 Nov 2016 09:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <556596B9-83FD-4584-A3C3-2D8855252BA2@beautifulblooms.ab.ca> From: Linda Foulis Subject: amaryllids and cats? Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 09:56:31 -0600 I'm not sure exactly how poisonous hippeastrums are. My African grey parrot chunked out the top half of one of my hippies with no ill effects for the bird. Even if she did just chunk it up I'm sure she had to have ingested some of the juice from the bulb. She took the top half off of a baseball sized bulb. The bulb has recovered as well, surprisingly enough, considering the damage done. For the size of my bird, the amount of damage done, you would think if they were that poisonous it would have warranted a trip to the vet. None of my former cats, before I fell for parrots, did much if any damage to my plants, bulbs or even garden except for the latrine part. Linda M Foulis Beautiful Blooms www.beautifulblooms.ab.ca > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From pamela@polson.com Fri, 04 Nov 2016 09:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Pamela Harlow Subject: amaryllids and cats? Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 08:56:50 -0700 Raccoons will tip over pots to forage snails (and probably slugs) hiding underneath. Regarding outdoor cats: if plant collectors, who presumably understand environmental conservation, tolerate the wildlife depredations of outdoor cats, then there really is no hope. Who will speak for the wild creatures? On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 8:50 AM, Lee Poulsen wrote: > We’ve had cats since before I started growing all kinds of bulbs. Given my > climate, all my bulbs are grown outside, most of them in pots. I’ve never > had a cat nibble on any of them. They seem to only want to nibble on grass > or grass-like weeds which they nibble on while I’m pulling them out. > > Occasionally I’ve found a cat print in a pot, but they;re not very heavy > so it’s never damaged any of my plants. What has damaged some of my plants > occasionally are raccoons roaming the backyard in the middle of the night. > Sometimes, for no reason I can see, they tip over pots or turn them upside > down. So I always have to check for these before going to work during the > warmer part of the year so that a knocked over plant doesn’t die in the > heat of the day. Rarely, they’ve also chewed on labels, which thankfully > they tend to leave lying in the pot or nearby. > > --Lee Poulsen > Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a > Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From k.preteroti@verizon.net Fri, 04 Nov 2016 17:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <8CA21E18-E35E-426E-87AB-7A27D8FF79B7@verizon.net> From: Kenneth Preteroti Subject: Scilla madeirensis Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 19:46:31 -0400 My bulb flowered this year and I brought it to work as no one had ever seen one before. I usually cut the flower stalk after flowering as I only have one plant. No chance of pollination. This year however I took several days off and upon my return I noticed seed pods forming on several flowers. Another week has passed and the pods have grown to pea size. Any chance of the seeds being fertile. What could have pollinated them. Ken P Old Bridge, NJ Zone 6 b From jgglatt@gmail.com Fri, 04 Nov 2016 18:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <581D2C90.8070007@gmail.com> From: Judy Glattstein Subject: Tomcats in House and Garden Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 20:49:20 -0400 Tomcats will roam looking for a lady friend. They spray indoors and out - very odoriferous - to mark territory. They will fight with other tomcats. The resulting abscess necessitates a vet visit, antibiotics, unhappy cat, unhappy owner. Neutering is a very minor operation for tomcats. Can be done when cats reach 2 pounds. They remain calm, are loving pets, don't wander or fight or spray. (Queens can be spayed at same weight, but surgery is more complex. Queen no longer squalling for a tomcat to come visit and subsequent unwanted kittens who need a loving home.) My cats are now indoors only. When I had indoor / outdoor cats the most common prey were voles, mice, chipmunks, baby rabbits, very very rarely birds. Judy in New Jersey where weather is wobbling from chilly windy days with close to freezing nights and two days later rebounding to high 60s Fahrenheit From janemcgary@earthlink.net Fri, 04 Nov 2016 19:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <03c75f29-89f4-af07-7b7d-8fb0e3f1acd4@earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: Scilla madeirensis Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 18:34:39 -0700 In my experience some members of the former genus Scilla (don't know what split S. madeirensis landed in) are self-fertile. On 11/4/2016 4:46 PM, Kenneth Preteroti wrote: > My bulb flowered this year and I brought it to work as no one had ever seen one before. I usually cut the flower stalk after flowering as I only have one plant. No chance of pollination. This year however I took several days off and upon my return I noticed seed pods forming on several flowers. Another week has passed and the pods have grown to pea size. Any chance of the seeds being fertile. What could have pollinated them. > From garak@code-garak.de Sat, 05 Nov 2016 00:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <585a672b-ec05-6e7b-9da3-ee28297e40c3@code-garak.de> From: Garak Subject: amaryllids and cats? Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 07:39:58 +0100 Thanks to all of you for all that valuable information - to sum it up: Offering cat grass and maybe separating Amaryllids and cat until he's a bit older indoors will be enough, there shouldn't be any outdoor problem. I was mostly concerned since I saw how a neighbor's cat "loved" my Actinidia chinensis nearly to death until i fenced it off - so no magic attraction between cat and Hippeastrum&co. As for the slightly off-topic comments: Thanks for the hints with the collar - I'll have a closer look at the cats around, but I think most have a transponder chip for identification these days, so maybe no need for a collar. Neutering was already on the to-do-list - our animal shelters actually insist on doing so when giving away cats. As for keeping the fellow completely indoors: that would need a second cat and make simple things like air circulation in the house difficult - besides, most do not consider pure in-house keeping as species-appropriate. I actually don't fear for the balance of other species - In the rural parts of Germany, cats roaming the fields and gardens are commonplace for centuries. We have a very active bird population, and considering the "gang" of about 50 sparrows that rules the area, we shall see who's fleeing from whom - They're absolutely fearless and won't flee even if you pass the hedge they occupy noisily in one meter distance... The trouble with mis-using gardening materials as latrine is one thing I actually hope to reduce by introducing a resident cat of my own -I've been told they don't do that in their own garden and others start to respect the territory of the resident. Well, that one is at least worth a try ;) -- Martin ---------------------------------------------- Southern Germany Likely zone 7a From brian.whyer@btinternet.com Sat, 05 Nov 2016 06:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1220949038.1641743.1478350048400@mail.yahoo.com> From: Brian Whyer Subject: Scilla madeirensis Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 12:47:28 +0000 (UTC) My problem with these is they tend to grow and flower erratically and often too late in the UK season to get pollinated naturally. My last flowers on 1 stem are still yet to come and we have had 2 frosts so they are under glass. This year I even had 1 plant start growing in mid winter and flower in spring. Only when I put it outside in April did 1 flower get self pollinated. I have never checked if the seed looked different as some of mine must be selfed, by me when I assist with plants of the same clone, and they are rarely ripe and dry before April/May. I would guess about half of the seed I sowed this summer has germinated so far but I put them in quite late. Brian Whyer, UK   On 11/4/2016 4:46 PM, Kenneth Preteroti wrote: > My bulb flowered this year and I brought it to work as no one had ever seen one before. I usually cut the flower stalk after flowering as I only have one plant. No chance of pollination. This year however I took several days off and upon my return I noticed seed pods forming on several flowers. Another week has passed and the pods have grown to pea size. Any chance of the seeds being fertile. What could have pollinated them. > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From nickplummer@gmail.com Sat, 05 Nov 2016 07:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Nicholas Plummer Subject: amaryllids and cats? Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 09:30:33 -0400 How about lilies and cats? I was under the impression that otherwise innocuous Lilium and Hemerocallis are highly toxic to cats (and more likely to feature in temperate gardens). Is that accurate? Nick From jane@deskhenge.com Sat, 05 Nov 2016 08:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jane Sargent Subject: Amaryllids and cats Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 10:23:04 -0400 Cut flowers in vases can leak juice into the water, and the occasional child is said to have gotten sick from drinking it. I don´t know about cats. Kids will eat and drink anything. I´ve watched cats smell daffodils and rub their faces on them but have never seen them eat daffodils. Daffodils do fine here in Central Massachusetts, zone 5, but the coyotes and fisher cats eat some of the pet cats. Jane _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From bea.spencer@sympatico.ca Sat, 05 Nov 2016 08:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Bea Spencer Subject: amaryllids and cats? Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 10:48:32 -0400 Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 5, 2016, at 9:30 AM, Nicholas Plummer wrote: > > How about lilies and cats? I was under the impression that otherwise innocuous Lilium and Hemerocallis are highly toxic to cats (and more likely to feature in temperate gardens). Is that accurate? > > Nick > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From pamela@polson.com Sat, 05 Nov 2016 09:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Pamela Harlow Subject: amaryllids and cats? Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 08:54:19 -0700 Germany's bird population is declining on many fronts, both in absolute numbers and the number of species considered unstable. Habitat decline is the primary reason, of course, and migratory birds are under pressure outside of Germany. Decline is especially pronounced in ground-nesting birds. The practices of centuries past, when there were fewer people and more undeveloped land, must be reevaluated in terms of modern realities. On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 11:39 PM, Garak wrote: > Thanks to all of you for all that valuable information - to sum it up: > Offering cat grass and maybe separating Amaryllids and cat until he's a bit > older indoors will be enough, there shouldn't be any outdoor problem. I was > mostly concerned since I saw how a neighbor's cat "loved" my Actinidia > chinensis nearly to death until i fenced it off - so no magic attraction > between cat and Hippeastrum&co. > > As for the slightly off-topic comments: Thanks for the hints with the > collar - I'll have a closer look at the cats around, but I think most have > a transponder chip for identification these days, so maybe no need for a > collar. Neutering was already on the to-do-list - our animal shelters > actually insist on doing so when giving away cats. As for keeping the > fellow completely indoors: that would need a second cat and make simple > things like air circulation in the house difficult - besides, most do not > consider pure in-house keeping as species-appropriate. I actually don't > fear for the balance of other species - In the rural parts of Germany, cats > roaming the fields and gardens are commonplace for centuries. We have a > very active bird population, and considering the "gang" of about 50 > sparrows that rules the area, we shall see who's fleeing from whom - > They're absolutely fearless and won't flee even if you pass the hedge they > occupy noisily in one meter distance... > The trouble with mis-using gardening materials as latrine is one thing I > actually hope to reduce by introducing a resident cat of my own -I've been > told they don't do that in their own garden and others start to respect the > territory of the resident. Well, that one is at least worth a try ;) > > -- > Martin > ---------------------------------------------- > Southern Germany > Likely zone 7a > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From garak@code-garak.de Sat, 05 Nov 2016 10:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <96a250df-4b4c-0c04-87d3-26bb265acadb@code-garak.de> From: Garak Subject: amaryllids and cats? Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 18:00:24 +0100 Hi Pamela, actually i don't understand how ground nesting birds could ever evolve in central europe (or anywhere outside Australia/Oceania), as there has always been a dense population of Mustelidae. From what i see, the /visual /diversity actually increases, as more and more species of birds learn to live with humans - a trend that started with the common blackbird, which was a shy forest bird mere 200 years ago. These days, Grey herons are seen at garden ponds, redstarts are starting to become confiding, which they weren't 20 years ago... I agree that especially my area in southern Germany is so densely populated, that modern /realities /must be reevaluated. But these examples show, birds can actually learn over very few generations, that humans aren't a threat to them. If we're reducing the level of pesticides used ( which the current trend for biological agriculture does, even though the lobbies try to stop that... you know, that evil M-company...), there's quite a chance for the residential birds to adopt to noisier environments. And if our friends on both shores of the Mediterranean stop that annoying habit of hunting creatures that weight only a few grams (most of it feathers) "for food", many more species will regenerate. In a world where everything eats eggs and young birds if they can reach them - from weasels to hedgehogs, from rats to snakes, from squirrels to ravens, I don't think cats prove an additional threat to any given bird species - at max they improve evolution by giving the Darvin award to specimen not clever enough to chose a good spot for a nest. Through their ability to fly, birds have a big advantage of not needing coherent habitats - in contrast to amphibians and many other. Greets, Martin Am 05.11.2016 um 16:54 schrieb Pamela Harlow: > Germany's bird population is declining on many fronts, both in absolute > numbers and the number of species considered unstable. Habitat decline is > the primary reason, of course, and migratory birds are under pressure > outside of Germany. Decline is especially pronounced in ground-nesting > birds. The practices of centuries past, when there were fewer people and > more undeveloped land, must be reevaluated in terms of modern realities. > > On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 11:39 PM, Garak wrote: > >> Thanks to all of you for all that valuable information - to sum it up: >> Offering cat grass and maybe separating Amaryllids and cat until he's a bit >> older indoors will be enough, there shouldn't be any outdoor problem. I was >> mostly concerned since I saw how a neighbor's cat "loved" my Actinidia >> chinensis nearly to death until i fenced it off - so no magic attraction >> between cat and Hippeastrum&co. >> >> As for the slightly off-topic comments: Thanks for the hints with the >> collar - I'll have a closer look at the cats around, but I think most have >> a transponder chip for identification these days, so maybe no need for a >> collar. Neutering was already on the to-do-list - our animal shelters >> actually insist on doing so when giving away cats. As for keeping the >> fellow completely indoors: that would need a second cat and make simple >> things like air circulation in the house difficult - besides, most do not >> consider pure in-house keeping as species-appropriate. I actually don't >> fear for the balance of other species - In the rural parts of Germany, cats >> roaming the fields and gardens are commonplace for centuries. We have a >> very active bird population, and considering the "gang" of about 50 >> sparrows that rules the area, we shall see who's fleeing from whom - >> They're absolutely fearless and won't flee even if you pass the hedge they >> occupy noisily in one meter distance... >> The trouble with mis-using gardening materials as latrine is one thing I >> actually hope to reduce by introducing a resident cat of my own -I've been >> told they don't do that in their own garden and others start to respect the >> territory of the resident. Well, that one is at least worth a try ;) >> >> -- >> Martin >> ---------------------------------------------- >> Southern Germany >> Likely zone 7a >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki -- Martin ---------------------------------------------- Southern Germany Likely zone 7a From david@davidpilling.com Sat, 05 Nov 2016 11:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <1ce59337-c407-f792-3cf6-b077e713cd7c@davidpilling.com> From: David Pilling Subject: PBS list Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 17:57:51 +0000 Hi Norman, On 05/11/16 13:24, Norman Woollons wrote: > I have been a member for 8 or 9 months now, but for some reason I am > unable to post anything. I was trying to respond this last week to the To send a message to the list, it has to be sent to: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org The problem is that your 'reply' button may send a message elsewhere for example to the person who posted the original message. Typically email programs offer "reply to sender" "reply to all" "reply to list". Possibly you can look back in your sent mail folder and see where you sent messages. In other words look where you are sending messages. There are a range of things senders can do which means their messages get 'held', in which case a moderator decides what to do. But your problem is that the messages are not reaching the list. If I can be of any more help, let me know. -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com From othonna@gmail.com Sat, 05 Nov 2016 11:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Hannon Subject: Scilla madeirensis Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 11:11:02 -0700 Self-fertility can vary considerably across varieties or species and also different clones of the same species. The same individual plant producing seed in some years and not in others could be the result of an unobserved pollinator. It could also be related to the condition of the stigma based on weather or timing (phase of receptivity), which can easily be different year-to-year. Or some combination of such factors. Some bulbs I've grown and flowered for many years have only set seed once or twice, with or without hand-pollination. I've seen the same "phenomenon" in Anthurium as well. Some of the variables here are difficult to understand in detail or across multiple years. Dylan Hannon Los Angeles *"The greatest service which can be rendered any country is to add an useful plant to its culture…" --**Thomas Jefferson* _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From markemazer@gmail.com Sat, 05 Nov 2016 12:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Mark Mazer Subject: amaryllids and cats? Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 14:44:58 -0400 Here on the farm in rural Eastern North Carolina, feral and outdoor cats regularly predate ground nesting killdeer, plover, and quail and have also killed or maimed several guinea fowl hens that were sitting on large clutches of eggs. They will also kill the young keets. We now consider them vermin. If they can't be enticed into a humane trap, well, there is always the .22 magnum rifle. No permit is necessary. Outdoor cats have relatively short, unhealthy life spans. Keep them inside. When the coyote move back into the area during the winter, many cats will disappear. Mark Mazer Hertford, NC On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Garak wrote: > Hi Pamela, > > actually i don't understand how ground nesting birds could ever evolve in > central europe (or anywhere outside Australia/Oceania), as there has always > been a dense population of Mustelidae. From what i see, the /visual > /diversity actually increases, as more and more species of birds learn to > live with humans - a trend that started with the common blackbird, which > was a shy forest bird mere 200 years ago. These days, Grey herons are seen > at garden ponds, redstarts are starting to become confiding, which they > weren't 20 years ago... I agree that especially my area in southern Germany > is so densely populated, that modern /realities /must be reevaluated. But > these examples show, birds can actually learn over very few generations, > that humans aren't a threat to them. If we're reducing the level of > pesticides used ( which the current trend for biological agriculture does, > even though the lobbies try to stop that... you know, that evil > M-company...), there's quite a chance for the residential birds to adopt to > noisier environments. And if our friends on both shores of the > Mediterranean stop that annoying habit of hunting creatures that weight > only a few grams (most of it feathers) "for food", many more species will > regenerate. > In a world where everything eats eggs and young birds if they can reach > them - from weasels to hedgehogs, from rats to snakes, from squirrels to > ravens, I don't think cats prove an additional threat to any given bird > species - at max they improve evolution by giving the Darvin award to > specimen not clever enough to chose a good spot for a nest. Through their > ability to fly, birds have a big advantage of not needing coherent habitats > - in contrast to amphibians and many other. > > Greets, > Martin > > > Am 05.11.2016 um 16:54 schrieb Pamela Harlow: > >> Germany's bird population is declining on many fronts, both in absolute >> numbers and the number of species considered unstable. Habitat decline is >> the primary reason, of course, and migratory birds are under pressure >> outside of Germany. Decline is especially pronounced in ground-nesting >> birds. The practices of centuries past, when there were fewer people and >> more undeveloped land, must be reevaluated in terms of modern realities. >> >> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 11:39 PM, Garak wrote: >> >> Thanks to all of you for all that valuable information - to sum it up: >>> Offering cat grass and maybe separating Amaryllids and cat until he's a >>> bit >>> older indoors will be enough, there shouldn't be any outdoor problem. I >>> was >>> mostly concerned since I saw how a neighbor's cat "loved" my Actinidia >>> chinensis nearly to death until i fenced it off - so no magic attraction >>> between cat and Hippeastrum&co. >>> >>> As for the slightly off-topic comments: Thanks for the hints with the >>> collar - I'll have a closer look at the cats around, but I think most >>> have >>> a transponder chip for identification these days, so maybe no need for a >>> collar. Neutering was already on the to-do-list - our animal shelters >>> actually insist on doing so when giving away cats. As for keeping the >>> fellow completely indoors: that would need a second cat and make simple >>> things like air circulation in the house difficult - besides, most do not >>> consider pure in-house keeping as species-appropriate. I actually don't >>> fear for the balance of other species - In the rural parts of Germany, >>> cats >>> roaming the fields and gardens are commonplace for centuries. We have a >>> very active bird population, and considering the "gang" of about 50 >>> sparrows that rules the area, we shall see who's fleeing from whom - >>> They're absolutely fearless and won't flee even if you pass the hedge >>> they >>> occupy noisily in one meter distance... >>> The trouble with mis-using gardening materials as latrine is one thing I >>> actually hope to reduce by introducing a resident cat of my own -I've >>> been >>> told they don't do that in their own garden and others start to respect >>> the >>> territory of the resident. Well, that one is at least worth a try ;) >>> >>> -- >>> Martin >>> ---------------------------------------------- >>> Southern Germany >>> Likely zone 7a >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> pbs mailing list >>> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> > > > -- > Martin > ---------------------------------------------- > Southern Germany > Likely zone 7a > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From jgglatt@gmail.com Sat, 05 Nov 2016 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <581E4193.5010805@gmail.com> From: Judy Glattstein Subject: Life Styles of Voles and Chipmunks Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 16:31:15 -0400 A question has been raised about cats and their prey. Here's what I found out about small rodents. Chipmunks are - relatively speaking - restrained in their breeding habits. They breed twice a year and have 4 or 5 young in each litter. Generally live 3 years in the wild. Deer mice are more active in the population increase stakes. They have anywhere from 1 to 11 pups but usually 4 to 6 in a litter. They breed every 3 to 4 weeks in warm weather. They can get pregnant while nursing the current litter. The young can reproduce at 35 days but more commonly at 49 days. Mortality of young is high, and adults seldom live more than 1-21/2 years. Voles live a short (3 to 6 months on average) but sexy life. Voles reach sexual maturity at 1 month, have a 3 week pregnancy, and anywhere from 5 to 10 litters a year. With 5 to 10 young per litter that's a low of 25 to a high of 100 young per vole per year.Voles are eaten by raccoons, owls, hawks, falcons, coyotes, foxes, snakes, weasels, cats and dogs. And a 2003 study by http://www.sibleyguides.com/conservation/causes-of-bird-mortality/ of the estimated annual mortality (in millions of birds) gave a figure of a little over 500 million birds killed by cats. Windows, however, killed just under 1,000 million birds. From arnold140@verizon.net Sat, 05 Nov 2016 15:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <10813426.1195774.1478380697205.JavaMail.root@tvweb133060.mailsrvcs.net> From: arnold140@verizon.net Subject: Bulb Garden, etc. Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2016 16:18:17 -0500 (CDT) I posted the next edition of the Bulb Garden this morning. We had hoped to have membership expiration dates on the labels but a mail house - printing house snafu ( military word meaning mistake was made) resulted in the expiration dates not been included. All members who have memberships expiring in 2016 can pay their dues now and will receive credit for 2017. There is a renewal scheme on the PBS home page that indicates it is a renewal and not a new membership. See here: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/membership.html Also please catch up with BX payments prior to years end. Also include the SX or BX number on your check memo or in the "note" section on PayPal. Thanks , Arnold Treasurer, PBS From pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Sun, 06 Nov 2016 11:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <786166838.1603644.1478459019893@mail.yahoo.com> From: arcangelo wessells via pbs Subject: Alstroemeria seedlings Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 19:03:39 +0000 (UTC) Hello all,I was hoping to get some advice on treatment of seedlings of Alstroemeria magnifica. I had good germination of several subspecies, with about a dozen seedlings in each of the 3.5" pots. Any recommendations as to whether I can leave them together for a year or two or should I separate them while they are small. I see on the Wiki page it says that they can be transplanted at 2". I know their dormant state is not as distinct as many other bulbs and wonder if I will have trouble separating them when their roots grow together. Thanks Arcangelo WessellsVallejo CAnorthern Californiawhere we just had two good rain systems and now some clear weather. Gethyllis leaves are out and Alstroemeria werdermannii are sending stems up through my sand dune _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sun, 06 Nov 2016 12:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Alstroemeria seedlings Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 11:35:12 -0800 Although this means a pot crowded with seedlings, the best method is probably to grow them on until they naturally go dormant in summer (dry them out to force this), then dump them out and repot them in separate deep pots, such as band pots. You should be able to separate them without damaging them at this stage, given care. If you have them in flexi-pots or band pots, you could also consider cutting away the bottom of the seedling pot and resettling the whole thing into a larger pot filled with the same soil (that would be hard to do with rigid pots). I avoid planting more than five Alstroemeria seeds in a 3.5 inch pot, because they do tend to germinate well. I use a 6-inch deeper pot for more seeds. Congratulations, incidentally, on your A. werdermannii, and don't let it suffer any frost. It inhabits sand dunes right on the coast of northern Chile. Jane McGary Portland, Oregon, USA On 11/6/2016 11:03 AM, arcangelo wessells via pbs wrote: > Hello all,I was hoping to get some advice on treatment of seedlings of Alstroemeria magnifica. I had good germination of several subspecies, with about a dozen seedlings in each of the 3.5" pots. Any recommendations as to whether I can leave them together for a year or two or should I separate them while they are small. I see on the Wiki page it says that they can be transplanted at 2". I know their dormant state is not as distinct as many other bulbs and wonder if I will have trouble separating them when their roots grow together. Thanks Arcangelo WessellsVallejo CAnorthern Californiawhere we just had two good rain systems and now some clear weather. Gethyllis leaves are out and Alstroemeria werdermannii are sending stems up through my sand dune > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Sun, 06 Nov 2016 14:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <742374250.1682620.1478469351411@mail.yahoo.com> From: arcangelo wessells via pbs Subject: Lilium bolanderi question Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 21:55:51 +0000 (UTC) Hello all,Another request for advice. This year I had seven Lilium bolanderi seedlings germinate after almost six months in the frig at 51 degrees. That was in late May. Now I don't know exactly how to treat them going into winter. They spent the year in a cool room in the back of the house with only indirect light. That room is now cooler and darker. They are now in a bit brighter room in the house, but it is about 60. That may be too warm. I have started to let them dry out  but they seem willing to stay green. Do  I force them to dry out or grow them until they yellow. I think I want to avoid moist soil when they stop growing. Should they be cold? These are a bit out of the usual for me. I mostly grow bulbs that are ok with winter wet and my outdoor temperatures. I essentially have outside or in the house as options. We just had some rain but now we are in for a few weeks of 72/48 day and night temps. Any help would be appreciated.Arcangelo WessellsVallejo CAnorthern California  _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From mdoming@gmail.com Sun, 06 Nov 2016 18:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <642EF203-376E-4EFF-98ED-4C0193D7ABD2@gmail.com> From: =?utf-8?Q?V=C3=ADctor_Men=C3=A9ndez_Dom=C3=ADnguez?= Subject: Bulb Garden, etc. Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 20:07:05 -0600 Hi Arnold !! Just in this moment I done the renewal of my membership. Also I was paid all BX and SX gotten in this period. I hope have not any debt. Regards !!! Víctor Menéndez > El 05/11/2016, a las 15:18, arnold140@verizon.net escribió: > > I posted the next edition of the Bulb Garden this morning. > > We had hoped to have membership expiration dates on the labels but a mail house - printing house snafu ( military word meaning mistake was made) resulted in the expiration dates not been included. > > All members who have memberships expiring in 2016 can pay their dues now and will receive credit for 2017. > > There is a renewal scheme on the PBS home page that indicates it is a renewal and not a new membership. > > See here: > > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/membership.html > > Also please catch up with BX payments prior to years end. > > Also include the SX or BX number on your check memo or in the "note" section on PayPal. > > Thanks , > > Arnold > Treasurer, PBS > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From ds429@frontier.com Mon, 07 Nov 2016 14:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: <669617547.76295.1478554847560@mail.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 413 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 21:40:47 +0000 (UTC) Dear All,       The items listed below have been donated by our members and friends to be shared. If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at mailto:ds429@frontier.com   Include "BX 413" in the subject line.         SPECIFY THE ITEM NUMBERS. DO NOT SPECIFY QUANTITIES. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, too, in case I do not already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money you owe (usually $2.00 – $5.00 per share of seeds or bulbs + postage and packaging charges), and instructions about how to pay. PAYMENT IS DUE AS SOON AS YOU RECEIVE YOUR PACKAGE.     Many of you are subscribers to this pbs elist which is free, but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society which has a yearly membership charge. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO UP-TO-DATE MEMBERS of the Pacific Bulb Society. If you are not a member, consider joining so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website:         If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS,(Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations.), please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: Dell Sherk 55 W. High St. Salem, WV 26426 USA Non US donors should contact Dell for instructions before sending seeds. ALL ORDERS TO THE FOLLOWING EMAIL ADDRESS ONLY. Dell's email address ds429@frontier.com Do not hit the reply tab or you will reply to all PBS members by mistake.             I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! From Rimmer de Vries: 1.       Sinningia cardinalis, small tubers 2.       Phaedranassa carmiolii, small bulbs,   from Jude Platteborze (FEW) 3.       Hymenocallis harrisiana seedlings 4.       Crinum  oliganthum x asiaticum ‘Menehune’ ONE Clump, only 5.       Eucharis plicata, small bulbs (FEW) 6.       Cyrtanthus mackenii var. cooperii, small bulbs (FEW)    From Andres Pontieri: 7.       Seeds of Hippeastrum calyptratum   From Mary Sue Ittner:    Bulbs:   8.       mixed lot of small cormlets/bulblets - winter rainfall, probably most from either California or South Africa   9.       Nothoscorum/Ipheion dialystemon offset bulblets   10.   Triteleia peduncularis cormlets   Seed -  recalcitrant- most are already sprouting   11.   Clivia miniata (light yellow), FEW   12.   Nerine angustifolia   13.   Nerine bowdenii   14.   Nerine platypetala Thank you, Rimmer, Andres, and Mary Sue !! Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From nectarinejl1@gmail.com Mon, 07 Nov 2016 16:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: <9BB59DBC-011F-40CD-88A4-1AD664CFA318@gmail.com> From: Jancy Lovell Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 413 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 16:05:10 -0800 Hi- I'm interested in numbers: 3,8,12,13, and 14. This is on BX 413. My name is Jancy Lovell 8017 E Hedges Ave Fresno, CA 93737 Thank you for your help. Jancy Sent from my iPad > On Nov 7, 2016, at 1:40 PM, ds429 wrote: > > Dear All, > > The items listed below have been donated by our members and friends to be shared. > If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at > > mailto:ds429@frontier.com > > Include "BX 413" in the subject line. > > > SPECIFY THE ITEM NUMBERS. DO NOT SPECIFY QUANTITIES. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, too, in case I do not already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money you owe (usually $2.00 – $5.00 per share of seeds or bulbs + postage and packaging charges), and instructions about how to pay. PAYMENT IS DUE AS SOON AS YOU RECEIVE YOUR PACKAGE. > > Many of you are subscribers to this pbs elist which is free, but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society which has a yearly membership charge. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO UP-TO-DATE MEMBERS of the Pacific Bulb Society. If you are not a member, consider joining so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website: > > If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS,(Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations.), please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: > > Dell Sherk > 55 W. High St. > Salem, WV 26426 > USA > > Non US donors should contact Dell for instructions before sending seeds. > > ALL ORDERS TO THE FOLLOWING EMAIL ADDRESS ONLY. > > Dell's email address > ds429@frontier.com > > Do not hit the reply tab or you will reply to all PBS members by mistake. > > > I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. > IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! > > > From Rimmer de Vries: > > 1. Sinningia cardinalis, small tubers > 2. Phaedranassa carmiolii, small bulbs, from Jude Platteborze (FEW) > 3. Hymenocallis harrisiana seedlings > 4. Crinum oliganthum x asiaticum ‘Menehune’ ONE Clump, only > 5. Eucharis plicata, small bulbs (FEW) > 6. Cyrtanthus mackenii var. cooperii, small bulbs (FEW) > > From Andres Pontieri: > > 7. Seeds of Hippeastrum calyptratum > > From Mary Sue Ittner: > > Bulbs: > > 8. mixed lot of small cormlets/bulblets - winter rainfall, probably most > from either California or South Africa > > 9. Nothoscorum/Ipheion dialystemon offset bulblets > > 10. Triteleia peduncularis cormlets > > Seed - recalcitrant- most are already sprouting > > 11. Clivia miniata (light yellow), FEW > > 12. Nerine angustifolia > > 13. Nerine bowdenii > > 14. Nerine platypetala > > Thank you, Rimmer, Andres, and Mary Sue !! > > Best wishes, > Dell > > Dell Sherk, PBS BX > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From fosterjp@cox.net Mon, 07 Nov 2016 17:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <1f1c3e51-5b46-882c-1354-f3ad4832b8b7@cox.net> From: Jim Foster Subject: Boophone disticha Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 16:40:43 -0800 I planted a rather large, dormant bulb in my garden in June 2015. This spring it produced a nice flower and I was anticipating that it would go dormant sometime this Fall but it is still in robust leaf. I also have a B. josephinae which has leaved out but didn't produce a flower despite being planted at the same time. Perhaps they need more time to acclimate. I have others in pots which over the past couple of years have been really screwed up in their leaf habits. Brunsvigia bosmaniae, Brunsvigia grandiflora, Boophone haemanthoides are also in pots but I would like to put them in the ground. Is it the time of year to do so? Some have just begun to grow. I also have an Ammocharis which Greg Decharico correctly identified. I have had it for about 16 years in a pot and would like to give it an opportunity to free range its roots! It is in leaf now so should I risk it? I guess most of my questions biol down to when can these be put in the ground. Regards, Jim Santa Barbara Microsoft Word - TC cv October 2009.doc From plantboy@gmail.com Mon, 07 Nov 2016 18:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: From: Cody H Subject: Lilium bolanderi question Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2016 01:43:15 +0000 Lilium bolanderi is native to northwestern northern CA and adjacent southeastern Oregon. I've never grown it. I've seen it in the manzanita scrub in the hills above crescent city and on dry, rocky, but somewhat protected hill slopes in the interior, higher elevation, more extreme vicinity of Eight Dollar Mountain, OR. The whole region it occurs in is winter-wet so I would not imagine some winter moisture would be a problem--more likely excessive summer moisture would be a concern--but excellent drainage is probably important, the soils where I have seen them growing were rocky and the aspects were sloped. I wonder about temperature based cues for dormany, growth, etc. In the interior of the siskiyous, snow is common in winter, and when the plants bloom around July, temps regularly exceed 100F. I believe L. bolanderi does most of its growth during the mild spring and goes dormant by the end of the hot summer dry season. As I said I've never grown it, but I'd guess based on my experience with wild populations that your seedlings would be happy to continue growing in the mild Bay Area conditions (which probably resembles spring in their native habitats) until really cold weather comes. If I were growing them, I'd put them in a bright spot outdoors, protected from frosts, and water them sparingly over the winter, whether they go dormant or not. But maybe somebody with more experience has better advice? On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 1:56 PM arcangelo wessells via pbs < pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote: Hello all,Another request for advice. This year I had seven Lilium bolanderi seedlings germinate after almost six months in the frig at 51 degrees. That was in late May. Now I don't know exactly how to treat them going into winter. They spent the year in a cool room in the back of the house with only indirect light. That room is now cooler and darker. They are now in a bit brighter room in the house, but it is about 60. That may be too warm. I have started to let them dry out but they seem willing to stay green. Do I force them to dry out or grow them until they yellow. I think I want to avoid moist soil when they stop growing. Should they be cold? These are a bit out of the usual for me. I mostly grow bulbs that are ok with winter wet and my outdoor temperatures. I essentially have outside or in the house as options. We just had some rain but now we are in for a few weeks of 72/48 day and night temps. Any help would be appreciated.Arcangelo WessellsVallejo CAnorthern California From jane@deskhenge.com Mon, 07 Nov 2016 18:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: <8c20207a-1b35-3ee1-be4b-1625db5c8529@deskhenge.com> From: Jane Sargent Subject: what eats voles Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 20:52:25 -0500 Thank you, Judy, for the list of what eats voles, otherwise called dormice. I am remembering that the Romans also ate voles. They made clay pots about the size and shape of a bee skep, with an indoor spiral ramp like that of New York´s Guggenheim museum. Voles were kept in there and fed tasty herbs and spices, so that the carcasses would not have to be cleaned of bowel contents, and to improve the taste. Apparently voles are good when roasted. A lot of the bulb damage that voles do here in Massachusetts gets blamed erroneously on moles. Nobody eats moles, and apparently shrews taste nasty. I will never forget my mother-in-law phoning in tears when the voles got her Red Emperor tulips, half a lifetime ago in Pennsylvania. Jane _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From kimcmich@hotmail.com Mon, 07 Nov 2016 21:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: From: Kipp McMichael Subject: Boophone disticha Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 04:51:50 +0000 Jim, Now is a great time to plant-out any winter growing Amaryllids to the garden. I find that Amaryllids transplant with great success when they are just beginning their season's growth as well as when they are in full leaf. Obviously, you should avoid damage to roots - but I figure plants in active growth are even better able to handle and heal whatever root damage occurs. Your conditions in SB should suit your Brunsvigia and Boophone quite well. -| on behalf of Jim Foster Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 4:40 PM To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: [pbs] Boophone disticha I planted a rather large, dormant bulb in my garden in June 2015. This spring it produced a nice flower and I was anticipating that it would go dormant sometime this Fall but it is still in robust leaf. I also have a B. josephinae which has leaved out but didn't produce a flower despite being planted at the same time. Perhaps they need more time to acclimate. I have others in pots which over the past couple of years have been really screwed up in their leaf habits. Brunsvigia bosmaniae, Brunsvigia grandiflora, Boophone haemanthoides are also in pots but I would like to put them in the ground. Is it the time of year to do so? Some have just begun to grow. I also have an Ammocharis which Greg Decharico correctly identified. I have had it for about 16 years in a pot and would like to give it an opportunity to free range its roots! It is in leaf now so should I risk it? I guess most of my questions biol down to when can these be put in the ground. 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From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Tue, 08 Nov 2016 06:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: <938687064.497945.1478613934349@mail.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: what eats voles Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 14:05:34 +0000 (UTC) Jane, while true dormice and voles are both rodents, they belong to different zoological families: dormice in the Gliridae and voles in the Cricetidae. The house mouse and the Norwegian rat belong to yet a third family, the Muridae. Dormice are all Old World in distribution; cricetids occur in both the Old World and the New World. True dormice are the ones the Romans ate, although rodents in general are eaten by humans worldwide.  Jim McKenney _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From ds429@frontier.com Tue, 08 Nov 2016 06:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: <773910580.491666.1478614438118@mail.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 413 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 14:13:58 +0000 (UTC) I have received your order. Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 11/7/16, Jancy Lovell wrote: Subject: Re: [pbs] Pacific Bulb Society BX 413 To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Date: Monday, November 7, 2016, 7:05 PM Hi- I'm interested in numbers: 3,8,12,13, and 14. This is on BX 413. My name is Jancy Lovell                     8017 E Hedges Ave                     Fresno, CA 93737 Thank you for your help. Jancy Sent from my iPad > On Nov 7, 2016, at 1:40 PM, ds429 wrote: > > Dear All, > >       The items listed below have been donated by our members and friends to be shared. > If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at > > mailto:ds429@frontier.com >    > Include "BX 413" in the subject line. > > >         SPECIFY THE ITEM NUMBERS. DO NOT SPECIFY QUANTITIES. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, too, in case I do not already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money you owe (usually $2.00 – $5.00 per share of seeds or bulbs + postage and packaging charges), and instructions about how to pay. PAYMENT IS DUE AS SOON AS YOU RECEIVE YOUR PACKAGE. > >     Many of you are subscribers to this pbs elist which is free, but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society which has a yearly membership charge. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO UP-TO-DATE MEMBERS of the Pacific Bulb Society. If you are not a member, consider joining so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website: > >         If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS,(Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations.), please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: > > Dell Sherk > 55 W. High St. > Salem, WV 26426 > USA > > Non US donors should contact Dell for instructions before sending seeds. > > ALL ORDERS TO THE FOLLOWING EMAIL ADDRESS ONLY. > > Dell's email address > ds429@frontier.com > > Do not hit the reply tab or you will reply to all PBS members by mistake. > > >             I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. > IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! > > > From Rimmer de Vries: > > 1.       Sinningia cardinalis, small tubers > 2.       Phaedranassa carmiolii, small bulbs,   from Jude Platteborze (FEW) > 3.       Hymenocallis harrisiana seedlings > 4.       Crinum  oliganthum x asiaticum ‘Menehune’ ONE Clump, only > 5.       Eucharis plicata, small bulbs (FEW) > 6.       Cyrtanthus mackenii var. cooperii, small bulbs (FEW) >  >  From Andres Pontieri: > > 7.       Seeds of Hippeastrum calyptratum >  > From Mary Sue Ittner: >  > Bulbs: >  > 8.       mixed lot of small cormlets/bulblets - winter rainfall, probably most > from either California or South Africa >  > 9.       Nothoscorum/Ipheion dialystemon offset bulblets >  > 10.   Triteleia peduncularis cormlets >  > Seed -  recalcitrant- most are already sprouting >  > 11.   Clivia miniata (light yellow), FEW >  > 12.   Nerine angustifolia >  > 13.   Nerine bowdenii >  > 14.   Nerine platypetala > > Thank you, Rimmer, Andres, and Mary Sue !! > > Best wishes, > Dell > > Dell Sherk, PBS BX > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From ds429@frontier.com Tue, 08 Nov 2016 07:17:05 -0800 Message-Id: <1614895846.518455.1478615335564@mail.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: PBS BX 413 CLOSED Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 14:28:55 +0000 (UTC) Packages should go out in a week. Enjoy, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX From msittner@mcn.org Tue, 08 Nov 2016 07:17:05 -0800 Message-Id: <38071b9d-fefe-4f33-a37a-19208fed1a01@mcn.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: California Horticultural Society meeting in San Francisco Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 06:56:10 -0800 The topic for the Monday, November 21, 2016 meeting is "Wild Cyclamens: Delicate Marvels from Nature by Ori Fragman-Sapir. Cyclamens are native in Europe from the Mediterranean into Iran and south to Somalia. Ori Fragman-Sapir, a world renowned bulb specialist and Head Scientist at the Jerusalem Botanical Gardens will show images of the genus in nature and interpret the natural habitats of cyclamen with regard to horticultural characteristics. 4:00 pm – Botanical gardens walk with the featured speaker. Meet outside the entrance gate to the San Francisco Botanical Garden. New rules require that if you do not enter with the California Horticultural Society as a group, need to pay the entry fee if you are neither a SFBG member nor a resident of San Francisco. So be on time. 5:30 pm – No-host dinner will take place at Park Chow Restaurant, located at 1240 Ninth Avenue in San Francisco. 7:15 pm – Announcements, Plant Forum, and Program Meeting will be held at the San Francisco County Fair Building. Cal Hort members may attend for free. Non-members are welcome; Cal Hort requests a donation of $5. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From janemcgary@earthlink.net Tue, 08 Nov 2016 13:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Lilium bolanderi question Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 12:48:15 -0800 Re. cultivation of Lilium bolanderi, here is what Edward McRae wrote in his invaluable book /Lilies: A Guide for Gardeners and Collectors: "/... one of a group of American lilies that require extreme drainage to survive, but the soil beneath them should not be allowed to dry out completely. Plants grown from seed typically flower in three years." In /Bulbs of North America /(dare I call it "invaluable" too?)/, /McRae expanded on this: "Outside its native range, it succeeds best in the bulb frame where the moisture regime can be managed." Thus, we can see that L. bolanderi belongs to that often problematic group of bulbs adapted to conditions of low annual precipitation and winter snow cover. I find that alpine/subalpine bulbs from meadows with a moderate slope often survive at lower elevations, but those native to steep slopes (e.g. Erythronium montanum) are harder to maintain, and as far as I know L. bolanderi is always seen on rather steep inclines, where the rocky soil may be somewhat mobile (note that its bulb has "loosely attached scales," suggesting a strategy for survival in moving soils). I grew it for a few years and flowered it once, but then it died, despite being in a bulb frame at 1600 feet elevation. Other correspondents mentioned the high summer heat of its habitat, but I don't think one should allow the bulbs to get hot if grown in pots. Jane McGary Portland, Oregon, USA On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 1:56 PM arcangelo wessells via pbs < > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote: > > Hello all,Another request for advice. This year I had seven Lilium > bolanderi seedlings germinate after almost six months in the frig at 51 > degrees. That was in late May. Now I don't know exactly how to treat them > going into winter. They spent the year in a cool room in the back of the > house with only indirect light. That room is now cooler and darker. They > are now in a bit brighter room in the house, but it is about 60. That may > be too warm. I have started to let them dry out but they seem willing to > stay green. Do I force them to dry out or grow them until they yellow. I > think I want to avoid moist soil when they stop growing. Should they be > cold? These are a bit out of the usual for me. I mostly grow bulbs that are > ok with winter wet and my outdoor temperatures. I essentially have outside > or in the house as options. We just had some rain but now we are in for a > few weeks of 72/48 day and night temps. Any help would be > appreciated.Arcangelo WessellsVallejo CAnorthern California > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From jane@deskhenge.com Tue, 08 Nov 2016 15:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: From: Jane Sargent Subject: voles, Jim McKenney Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 17:43:49 -0500 Thank you for the vole species information! I wonder whether the Roman recipes would work with our native critters. Jane From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Tue, 08 Nov 2016 15:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: <1043801896.934057.1478646164552@mail.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: voles, Jim McKenney Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 23:02:44 +0000 (UTC) Jane Sargent asked "I wonder whether the Roman recipes would work with our native critters." I don't see why not. If you Google for information about the various species of rodent, you'll discover that historically a lot of them have ended up on the dinner table.  The idea of eating them brings to mind the old saying "it was a brave man who first ate an oyster". If you try it, Jane, let us know how they taste. Jim McKenney _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Wed, 09 Nov 2016 03:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: From: John Ralph Carpenter via pbs Subject: voles, Jim McKenney Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 10:15:38 +0000 > The idea of eating them brings to mind the old saying "it was a brave man who first ate an oyster". Or a very hungry one. On Tuesday, 8 November 2016, Jim McKenney wrote: > Jane Sargent asked "I wonder whether the Roman recipes would work with our native critters." > I don't see why not. If you Google for information about the various species of rodent, you'll discover that historically a lot of them have ended up on the dinner table. > The idea of eating them brings to mind the old saying "it was a brave man who first ate an oyster". > If you try it, Jane, let us know how they taste. > Jim McKenney > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki -- Ralph Carpenter 2 & 3 Stone Cottages Chilmington Green Great Chart Ashford Kent TN23 3DW 01233 637567 From brian.whyer@btinternet.com Wed, 09 Nov 2016 04:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: <325397263.539502.1478690069247@mail.yahoo.com> From: Brian Whyer Subject: voles Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 11:14:29 +0000 (UTC) The Edible Dormouse or Glis Glis, as favoured by the Romans, is becoming a pest in the UK. Having escaped from captivity there is now an estimated population of 30,000, mainly just to the west of London but elsewhere too. I have watched them running into and out of a friend's garage, with little regard to the garden party on at the time. They are as likely to eat through the house wiring as attack your bulbs. Think a small grey squirrel.It has little resemblance to the native Dormouse which is very small. Say 15 against 180 g.http://www.dialapest.co.uk/Data%20Sheets/Glis%20Glis.html Brian Whyer, UK _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From brian.whyer@btinternet.com Thu, 10 Nov 2016 04:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <1797402050.1995149.1478774631118@mail.yahoo.com> From: Brian Whyer Subject: voles Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 10:43:51 +0000 (UTC) Can someone explain why my message below has had its single carriage returns deleted, but not apparently the double {cr} at the end, which is reduced to a single? Is it my setup or the PBS list? Do others see the message below as 1 continuous sentence? Brian Whyer, UK From: Brian Whyer To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2016, 11:14 Subject: Re: [pbs] voles The Edible Dormouse or Glis Glis, as favoured by the Romans, is becoming a pest in the UK. Having escaped from captivity there is now an estimated population of 30,000, mainly just to the west of London but elsewhere too. I have watched them running into and out of a friend's garage, with little regard to the garden party on at the time. They are as likely to eat through the house wiring as attack your bulbs. Think a small grey squirrel.It has little resemblance to the native Dormouse which is very small. Say 15 against 180 g.http://www.dialapest.co.uk/Data%20Sheets/Glis%20Glis.html Brian Whyer, UK   _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From david@davidpilling.com Thu, 10 Nov 2016 11:17:05 -0800 Message-Id: <430c6239-6faf-b20c-e7a3-5bfcaeddedde@davidpilling.com> From: David Pilling Subject: PBS list text formatting (was voles) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 12:48:11 +0000 Hi Brian, On 10/11/2016 10:43, Brian Whyer wrote: > Can someone explain why my message below has had its single carriage returns deleted One possibility is that you sent your email as HTML - in other words you usually use effects like bold/italics. The PBS list does not allow anything other than plain text - other formats are converted to plain text before being sent out. There is a convention that single line breaks are white space and can be ignored and double line breaks are to be treated as such. I've been sending plain text emails since 1985 - all this modern stuff with fancy fonts and pictures - bound to end in trouble. Seriously the PBS list has a lowest common standard approach. One day we might change. (notice double line breaks in above text) (single line break between this line and the previous one) -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com From dacusc@eircom.net Thu, 10 Nov 2016 11:17:05 -0800 Message-Id: <819320378.454754.1478799189458.JavaMail.zimbra@eircom.net> From: carl dacus Subject: voles Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 17:33:09 +0000 (GMT) Hi Brian, Your message looks fine to me. Regards, Carl Dacus, Dun Laoghaire, Co Dublin, Ireland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Whyer" To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Sent: Thursday, 10 November, 2016 10:43:51 Subject: Re: [pbs] voles Can someone explain why my message below has had its single carriage returns deleted, but not apparently the double {cr} at the end, which is reduced to a single? Is it my setup or the PBS list? Do others see the message below as 1 continuous sentence? Brian Whyer, UK From: Brian Whyer To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2016, 11:14 Subject: Re: [pbs] voles The Edible Dormouse or Glis Glis, as favoured by the Romans, is becoming a pest in the UK. Having escaped from captivity there is now an estimated population of 30,000, mainly just to the west of London but elsewhere too. I have watched them running into and out of a friend's garage, with little regard to the garden party on at the time. They are as likely to eat through the house wiring as attack your bulbs. Think a small grey squirrel.It has little resemblance to the native Dormouse which is very small. Say 15 against 180 g.http://www.dialapest.co.uk/Data%20Sheets/Glis%20Glis.html Brian Whyer, UK   _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From dacusc@eircom.net Thu, 10 Nov 2016 11:17:05 -0800 Message-Id: <563823889.459037.1478799674831.JavaMail.zimbra@eircom.net> From: carl dacus Subject: voles Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 17:41:14 +0000 (GMT) ----- Original Message ----- From: "carl dacus" To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Sent: Thursday, 10 November, 2016 17:33:09 Subject: Re: [pbs] voles Hi Brian, Your message looks fine to me. Regards, Carl Dacus, Dun Laoghaire, Co Dublin, Ireland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Whyer" To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Sent: Thursday, 10 November, 2016 10:43:51 Subject: Re: [pbs] voles Can someone explain why my message below has had its single carriage returns deleted, but not apparently the double {cr} at the end, which is reduced to a single? Is it my setup or the PBS list? Do others see the message below as 1 continuous sentence? Brian Whyer, UK From: Brian Whyer To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2016, 11:14 Subject: Re: [pbs] voles The Edible Dormouse or Glis Glis, as favoured by the Romans, is becoming a pest in the UK. Having escaped from captivity there is now an estimated population of 30,000, mainly just to the west of London but elsewhere too. I have watched them running into and out of a friend's garage, with little regard to the garden party on at the time. They are as likely to eat through the house wiring as attack your bulbs. Think a small grey squirrel.It has little resemblance to the native Dormouse which is very small. Say 15 against 180 g.http://www.dialapest.co.uk/Data%20Sheets/Glis%20Glis.html Brian Whyer, UK   _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From brian.whyer@btinternet.com Thu, 10 Nov 2016 11:17:05 -0800 Message-Id: <992683210.2692823.1478799939291@mail.yahoo.com> From: Brian Whyer Subject: PBS list text formatting (was voles) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 17:45:39 +0000 (UTC) Hi DavidThat explains it. I will live with it I guess.Brian From: David Pilling To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Thursday, 10 November 2016, 12:48 Subject: [pbs] PBS list text formatting (was voles) Hi Brian, On 10/11/2016 10:43, Brian Whyer wrote: > Can someone explain why my message below has had its single carriage returns deleted One possibility is that you sent your email as HTML - in other words you usually use effects like bold/italics. The PBS list does not allow anything other than plain text - other formats are converted to plain text before being sent out. There is a convention that single line breaks are white space and can be ignored and double line breaks are to be treated as such. I've been sending plain text emails since 1985 - all this modern stuff with fancy fonts and pictures - bound to end in trouble. Seriously the PBS list has a lowest common standard approach. One day we might change. (notice double line breaks in above text) (single line break between this line and the previous one) -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com From jane@deskhenge.com Thu, 10 Nov 2016 12:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: <3f47a0df-ca62-1f93-10bc-e4fe223fe0f1@deskhenge.com> From: Jane Sargent Subject: eating voles, Jim McKenney Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 14:12:33 -0500 If I ever eat a vole, I´ll write you about it, but they are so doggone cute that it seems inappropriate to butcher one. It´s the little eyes and whiskers.They most likely taste like chicken plus the herbs you have been feeding them, I´m sure. Here is a simple fake vole recipe that I will call "Faux Vole Romain Cordon Bleu": Take 6 chicken thighs with the skin on. Cut a round of Boursin garlic and herb cheese into 6 slices. Loosen one side of the skin on each thigh and insert a cheese slice. Mold smooth. Preheat oven to 350° F. Cook about an hour, cheese side up, in a greased glass pan. Two-ingredient recipes are the culinary equivalent of growing Boweias: so simple even I can do it. Jane _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From arnold140@verizon.net Thu, 10 Nov 2016 12:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: <43EBCA27-2BF5-4B51-9D3B-4CC07C80F660@verizon.net> From: Arnold140 Subject: eating voles, Jim McKenney Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 14:25:19 -0500 I know that in Ecuador and Peru they eat a small rodent know as cuy. It's a guinea pig. It also is purported to have spiritual and healing qualities. Never tried it. Arnold New Jersey Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 10, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Jane Sargent wrote: > > If I ever eat a vole, I´ll write you about it, but they are so doggone cute that it seems inappropriate to butcher one. It´s the little eyes and whiskers.They most likely taste like chicken plus the herbs you have been feeding them, I´m sure. > Here is a simple fake vole recipe that I will call "Faux Vole Romain Cordon Bleu": > Take 6 chicken thighs with the skin on. > Cut a round of Boursin garlic and herb cheese into 6 slices. > Loosen one side of the skin on each thigh and insert a cheese slice. Mold smooth. > Preheat oven to 350° F. > Cook about an hour, cheese side up, in a greased glass pan. > Two-ingredient recipes are the culinary equivalent of growing Boweias: so simple even I can do it. > Jane > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Thu, 10 Nov 2016 13:17:07 -0800 Message-Id: <806669479.1556563.1478806836197@mail.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: eating voles, Jim McKenney Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 19:40:36 +0000 (UTC) Jane, I suspect that even shredded newspaper might be tasty if spread with enough Boursin garlic and herb cheese spread.  Jim McKenney _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From erik@tepuidesign.com Thu, 10 Nov 2016 13:17:07 -0800 Message-Id: From: Erik Van Lennep Subject: eating voles, Jim McKenney Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 20:52:57 +0100 Reminds me Farley Mowat's book Never cry Wolf, in which he was living near a wild wolf pack and decided to eat their way, which meant a diet of mice for the most part. It was years ago that I read it, so I don't recall how he cooked them :) SKYPE green.heart youth and elders short video http://www.linkedin.com/in/erikvanlennep <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> “I know of no restorative of heart, body, and soul more effective against hopelessness than the restoration of the Earth.” —BARRY LOPEZ” On 10 November 2016 at 20:40, Jim McKenney wrote: > Jane, I suspect that even shredded newspaper might be tasty if spread with > enough Boursin garlic and herb cheese spread. > Jim McKenney > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From thomasmasinter@gmail.com Fri, 11 Nov 2016 10:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: <62F62D24-1D1B-4129-9DFA-79B432045C23@gmail.com> From: Thomas Masinter Subject: Death Valley Is Alive - The New Yorker Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 07:52:31 -0600 Here is an interesting story about a superbloom in Death Valley. I have seen this in the Big Bend region of West Texas and it appears to be similar to South African events. Tom Masinter > http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/11/14/death-valley-is-alive?mbid=nl_Daily Newsletter 091716 (2)&CNDID=36659649&spMailingID=9853352&spUserID=MTMzMTgzNzkzODUwS0&spJobID=1040828731&spReportId=MTA0MDgyODczMQS2 From enoster@hotmail.com Fri, 11 Nov 2016 10:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: From: Travis O Subject: Photos of >21 species of native bees in Southwestern Oregon this year Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 17:35:56 +0000 Hi, I've been observing bees my area for the past year on flowers in the garden and in wild places. If I was lucky I took a photo, and the following link is the culmination of my efforts. http://www.amateuranthecologist.com/2016/11/bees-of-2016.html No question that bees are important pollinators, and important for food production, but many bees are also important pollinators of many of our bulbs. Narcissus, Allium, Veratrum, Calochortus, Triteleia, Spiranthes, Erythronium, and Toxicoscordion are a few that require bees in part (and not always honeybees). Some are entirely dependent on bees for pollination (i.e. Spiranthes, some Narcissus) while others are generalists and can be pollinated by a variety of insects (i.e. Allium, Scilla). Others still aren't bee pollinated at all, and are pollinated instead by flies, butterflies, occasionally wasps, or birds (i.e. Canna). Travis Owen Rogue River, OR www.amateuranthecologist.com www.oldsolbees.com www.pacificbulbsociety.org From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: Allium chinense Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 10:35:20 -0600 Dear PBSers, Does anyone grow Allium chinese? This is widely grown as Rakkyu in Japan and sold pickled as ‘Pickled Leeks in China and elsewhere. Apparently it does not produce seed, but makes copious new bulbs annually. I have been unable to figure out exactly how hardy this might be. Some web sites say Zone 9/ 10 others give colder zones, but might this grow in my Zone 5/6 garden outdoors? Appreciate info from anyone who actually grows this species. Any cultivars ? Thanks Jim W. Dr. James Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 USA Phone 816-746-1949 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From cynthiasbulbs@hotmail.com Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: From: Cynthia Mueller Subject: Photos of >21 species of native bees in Southwestern Oregon this year Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 17:10:28 +0000 Travis, I read your bee material with great interest! Kudos to you for putting this all together, and for illustrating it not only with very good images but also with your personal observations. Keep up the good work! -CWM Cynthia W Mueller > On Nov 11, 2016, at 11:36 AM, Travis O wrote: > > Hi, > > I've been observing bees my area for the past year on flowers in the garden and in wild places. If I was lucky I took a photo, and the following link is the culmination of my efforts. > > http://www.amateuranthecologist.com/2016/11/bees-of-2016.html > > No question that bees are important pollinators, and important for food production, but many bees are also important pollinators of many of our bulbs. Narcissus, Allium, Veratrum, Calochortus, Triteleia, Spiranthes, Erythronium, and Toxicoscordion are a few that require bees in part (and not always honeybees). Some are entirely dependent on bees for pollination (i.e. Spiranthes, some Narcissus) while others are generalists and can be pollinated by a variety of insects (i.e. Allium, Scilla). Others still aren't bee pollinated at all, and are pollinated instead by flies, butterflies, occasionally wasps, or birds (i.e. Canna). > > Travis Owen > Rogue River, OR > > www.amateuranthecologist.com > www.oldsolbees.com > www.pacificbulbsociety.org > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From Miller7398@comcast.net Mon, 14 Nov 2016 10:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: <7DEE71E2866C45BC8EDC334B322B6EF4@OwnerPC> From: "Joyce Miller" Subject: Native bee thread Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:37:51 -0800 Dear Travis, I concur with Cynthia. Your observations and photographic skills are awesome. This summer my native Penstemon were black with solitary bees. Best, Joyce Miller, Gresham, Oregon, USA Travis, I read your bee material with great interest! Kudos to you for putting this all together, and for illustrating it not only with very good images but also with your personal observations. Keep up the good work! -CWM From stnalpsoel@gmail.com Mon, 14 Nov 2016 13:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: From: Leo Martin Subject: eating voles Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 13:22:28 -0700 Jane wrote about voles, > ...they are so doggone > cute that it seems inappropriate to > butcher one.... They're so small, I think they're eaten whole, no butchering. Jim wrote > I know that in Ecuador and Peru they eat a small rodent know as cuy. It's a guinea pig. It also is purported to have spiritual and healing qualities. Cuy tastes like rat. I am indeed a healer but eating cuy was not a spiritual experience along the lines of eating crow. Leo Martin Zone ? Phoenix Arizona USA From robin@no1bird.net Mon, 14 Nov 2016 23:17:05 -0800 Message-Id: <889771a9-69d4-4921-4f64-332ef55da30d@no1bird.net> From: Robin Carrier Subject: eating voles Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 15:38:50 -0500 MADE MY DAY!!!!! On 11/14/2016 3:22 PM, Leo Martin wrote: > Jane wrote about voles, >> ...they are so doggone >> cute that it seems inappropriate to >> butcher one.... > They're so small, I think they're eaten whole, no butchering. > > Jim wrote >> I know that in Ecuador and Peru they eat a small rodent know as cuy. It's > a guinea pig. It also is purported to have spiritual and healing qualities. > > Cuy tastes like rat. I am indeed a healer but eating cuy was not a > spiritual experience along the lines of eating crow. > > Leo Martin > Zone ? > Phoenix Arizona USA > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From david@davidpilling.com Tue, 15 Nov 2016 11:17:05 -0800 Message-Id: <6128f9c0-19a3-ca0c-63bc-3503ec6262ee@davidpilling.com> From: David Pilling Subject: Splitting offsets? Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 16:11:32 +0000 Hi, A rare fine afternoon by the side of the Irish sea found me dibbing [1]. The Dutch sourced bulbs I was planting often consist of a bulb and a substantial offset. Question - is it better to remove the offsets, am I more likely to get a flower that way. Or if I leave the offset attached am I more likely to get two flowers. [1] pushing a wooden stake into the ground to make holes for bulbs. -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com From petersirises@gmail.com Tue, 15 Nov 2016 11:17:05 -0800 Message-Id: From: Peter Taggart Subject: Splitting offsets? Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 19:14:25 +0000 any flower buds will already be formed inside the bulbs - if they are true bulbs. Peter (UK) On 15 November 2016 at 16:11, David Pilling wrote: > > > The Dutch sourced bulbs I was planting often consist of a bulb and a > substantial offset. > > Question - is it better to remove the offsets, am I more likely to get a > flower that way. Or if I leave the offset attached am I more likely to get > two flowers. > From cynthiasbulbs@hotmail.com Tue, 15 Nov 2016 12:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: From: Cynthia Mueller Subject: Splitting offsets? Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 19:22:15 +0000 Why not remove the offset after the bulb has bloomed? In a year or two, the offset may be large enough to flower on its own. I have some Grand Primo narcissus that had previously lived around an abandoned home for many years on their own. This is their second year with me. Many have two to four offsets already. A steady, relentless increase...in Central Texas these old heirlooms are able to thrive, along with Byzantine glads and Lycoris radiata. Most large-flowered narcissus can't manage to flower, and many of the multiflora sort can barely manage to live. So we imagine that English and Irish gardeners are "working their gardens in Paradise". Cynthia W Mueller > On Nov 15, 2016, at 12:28 PM, David Pilling wrote: > > Hi, > > A rare fine afternoon by the side of the Irish sea found me dibbing [1]. > > The Dutch sourced bulbs I was planting often consist of a bulb and a substantial offset. > > Question - is it better to remove the offsets, am I more likely to get a flower that way. Or if I leave the offset attached am I more likely to get two flowers. > > > > [1] pushing a wooden stake into the ground to make holes for bulbs. > > -- > David Pilling > www.davidpilling.com > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From david@davidpilling.com Tue, 15 Nov 2016 13:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <7eb2fbde-f5a7-7656-a42b-971b4f140ba3@davidpilling.com> From: David Pilling Subject: Splitting offsets? Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 21:04:19 +0000 Hi, On 15/11/2016 19:14, Peter Taggart wrote: > any flower buds will already be formed inside the bulbs - if they are true > bulbs. Thanks for the replies. I should have added more detail. The bulbs are narcissus. They're only going to get one chance at flowering - 2017. If the bulbs were going to be around for a long time I'd leave the offsets attached. My experience with nerine for example has been that offsets if removed too soon do not survive. -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com From rdevries@comcast.net Wed, 16 Nov 2016 08:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: <06AAF749-9EC5-4BB5-88C8-8B58C8951106@comcast.net> From: Rimmer deVries Subject: Romulea repotting Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 10:26:00 -0500 I have the repot about Dozen pots of different South African Romulea Seedlings started last January in 21/4" x 31/4"rose pots. My question is how deep do pots the pots need to be to grow these to maturity. The seedlings are quite root bond now in wet turface and some organics. Thank you Rimmer From robin@hansennursery.com Wed, 16 Nov 2016 08:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: <000801d24020$de92a7d0$9bb7f770$@hansennursery.com> From: "Hansen Nursery" Subject: Romulea repotting Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 07:48:25 -0800 "I have the repot about Dozen pots of different South African Romulea Seedlings started last January in 21/4" x 31/4"rose pots. My question is how deep do pots the pots need to be to grow these to maturity. The seedlings are quite root bond now in wet turface and some organics." Rimmer raises a question that came up when I was potting Romuleas earlier this fall. I'd also like to know the answer. So far I've just put them in about 1/2 to 1 inch below soil level but have no idea if that's good. I'll usually put 3 bulbs in a 3 to 4-inch Gage pot. Robin Hansen 19 inches in October and counting... Southwestern Oregon on the coast From rdevries@comcast.net Wed, 16 Nov 2016 09:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: From: Rimmer deVries Subject: Romulea repotting Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 11:21:48 -0500 I decided to just put each pot full into mesh pots of similar size and sink them into a similar soil mix in a styrofoam fish box with about 2" of soil below the mesh pots and a few holes on the aides about 1.5" above the floor of the box and water well. Rimmer From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Wed, 16 Nov 2016 09:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: <1418934481.155424.1479314624256@mail.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: Romulea repotting Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 16:43:44 +0000 (UTC) Rimmer, what are you using for mesh pots? Are you making them yourself or buying the? Are they metal or plastic?  Jim McKenney _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From rdevries@comcast.net Wed, 16 Nov 2016 10:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: <77889135-323B-44FC-B6BB-413DDEFBD453@comcast.net> From: Rimmer deVries Subject: Romulea repotting Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 12:21:18 -0500 these are the plastic things you get at the hydroponic stores for about 15 cents each i used the deeper ones 4” tall by 2.5” wide Rimmer Jim McKenney wrote: > > Rimmer, what are you using for mesh pots? Are you making them yourself or buying the? Are they metal or plastic? > Jim McKenney > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Wed, 16 Nov 2016 10:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: <179477848.1267321.1479317038813@mail.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: Romulea repotting Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 17:23:58 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Rimmer.I'm dealing with a rat infestation, so those won't work for me. Jim McKenney From ds429@frontier.com Wed, 16 Nov 2016 14:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: <754197527.1513469.1479333768675@mail.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: Romulea repotting Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 22:02:48 +0000 (UTC) Do romuleas pull themselves down to their preferred depth the way some other geophytes do? Dell Sherk, Salem, WV -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 11/16/16, Hansen Nursery wrote: Subject: Re: [pbs] Romulea repotting To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2016, 10:48 AM "I have the repot about Dozen pots of different South African Romulea Seedlings started last January in 21/4" x 31/4"rose pots. My question is how deep do pots the pots need to be to grow these to maturity. The seedlings are quite root bond now in wet turface and some organics." Rimmer raises a question that came up when I was potting Romuleas earlier this fall.  I'd also like to know the answer.  So far I've just put them in about 1/2 to 1 inch below soil level but have no idea if that's good.  I'll usually put 3 bulbs in a 3 to 4-inch Gage pot. Robin Hansen 19 inches in October and counting... Southwestern Oregon on the coast _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From totototo@telus.net Wed, 16 Nov 2016 15:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: <582CDFFE.3090307@telus.net> From: Rodger Whitlock Subject: Splitting offsets? Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 14:38:54 -0800 On 16-11-16 09:21 AM, Cynthia Mueller wrote: > Why not remove the offset after the bulb has bloomed? If you do this during active growth, you damage the roots. Monocots (including most bulbs) won't re-grow damaged root tips, unlike dicots. I'd pull off the offset(s), dust the wounds with sulfur, and plant separately. Now. From jane@deskhenge.com Thu, 17 Nov 2016 04:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: <0618acd2-2846-11b4-0df9-f2b247fc914d@deskhenge.com> From: Jane Sargent Subject: narcissus, David Pilling Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 06:36:37 -0500 Why would they flower only once, in 2017? My grandmother planted mixed narcissus in 1916. I moved some of them to my garden, while they were blooming, 20 years ago, and they bloom for me every year here in Massachusetts, with minimal care. Most of the narcissus I have bought over the years return. They think they are trees. There ought to be a salubrious coldish winter near the Irish sea. I grew them in Minnesota and have seen them growing lushly in Iceland. They might be really unhappy in a warm place, though. From david@davidpilling.com Thu, 17 Nov 2016 05:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: From: David Pilling Subject: narcissus, David Pilling Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 12:21:21 +0000 Hi, On 17/11/2016 11:36, Jane Sargent wrote: > Why would they flower only once, in 2017? Poisoned ground. Perhaps the experts can tell me why, there are places in the garden where narcissus (and tulips) do not survive more than one season. This "front garden" has had tulips and daffodils planted in the same narrow strip for many years. To put failure beyond doubt, every Summer it hosts bedding plants. By Autumn there are no bulbs left. Yes, I have planted daffodils and they've flowered for tens of years and formed clumps. But I have also often seen one years flowering and then nothing. If I wanted daffodils to succeed in the long run I would plant them somewhere where there have been no daffodils previously. > My grandmother planted mixed > narcissus in 1916. That's impressive. I believe that horticulture has lost many varieties. For example it is said that when you buy "King Alfred" daffodils they're not the same as the originals from 1899. Perhaps they live on somewhere. I know of King Alfred daffs planted in the 70s. The North of England is fine for narcissus, think Mr. Wordsworth writing his poem, the place is covered in them in Spring, but not every spot is guaranteed success. -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com From annamwal@interia.pl Thu, 17 Nov 2016 06:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: <756EC45831304FEDA8F9A60C19FC335B@MarekKomputer> From: Subject: narcissus, David Pilling Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 14:41:07 +0100 Hi, Some years ago I've planted some Narcissus bulbs of different cultivars. After two winters there were only few - of types broadly seen in gardens around. I think that there are cultivars better and worse suited for a given place... Marek W., Poland, zone 6B From haweha@hotmail.com Thu, 17 Nov 2016 06:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: From: Hans-Werner Hammen Subject: narcissus, David Pilling Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 14:11:15 +0000 they might have been consumed by the narcissus fly. ________________________________ Von: pbs im Auftrag von annamwal@interia.pl Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. November 2016 13:41 An: Pacific Bulb Society Betreff: Re: [pbs] narcissus, David Pilling Hi, Some years ago I've planted some Narcissus bulbs of different cultivars. After two winters there were only few - of types broadly seen in gardens around. I think that there are cultivars better and worse suited for a given place... Marek W., Poland, zone 6B _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php Pacific Bulb Society | List pacificbulbsociety.org The PBS List is an email discussion of bulbs, sponsored by the Pacific Bulb Society, for people around the world. Although bulbs (defined more broadly to include all ... http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki Welcome to the Pacific Bulb Society Wiki pacificbulbsociety.org This guide was created by the members of the Pacific Bulb Society e-mail discussion list, a group of people from around the world who are interested in growing and ... From rdevries@comcast.net Thu, 17 Nov 2016 14:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: From: Rimmer deVries Subject: Eustephia darwinii Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 16:44:02 -0500 Last spring i repotted a plant of Eustephia darwinii and found a bunch of basal offsets loose in the pot at depth, i planted these in a separate pot, nothing happened all summer. i recently un potted them to see what was going on and found that nothing had happened except a few were gone, no roots no top growth, nothing. The parent plant sent up a wonderful stem in August. i find it grows best in the cool months and does not like the hot summer heat we get here, but prefers the cooling fall temperatures to renew its leaves. but i am confused as the wiki says it is a summer grower .. for me it is summer boomer but fall- winter -spring grower. what should i except for the small offset bulbs? will these grow? Rimmer SE Michigan From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: Off Topic maybe Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 13:10:08 -0600 Dear PBS ers, My last note got no replies. Hard to believe NO ONE grows Allium chinese. This time I have a question regarding an Oxalidaceae : Biophytum. This is a terrarium weed and common in semitropical moist gardens. Looks like a tiny palm tree. Does any one grow any species? The most common is B. sensitive. I’d like to get a couple seedlings for my terrarium. I’d repay postage if any one has spares. Thanks Jim W. or any species of the genus. Dr. James Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 USA Phone 816-746-1949 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From dkramb@badbear.com Fri, 18 Nov 2016 12:17:05 -0800 Message-Id: From: Dennis Kramb Subject: Off Topic maybe Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 14:18:06 -0500 I used to grow Biophytum sensitivum which I purchased from Black Jungle Terrarium Supply but mine died out and BJTS is not currently carrying it. I've looked for replacements for several years without success. Dennis in Cincinnati On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 2:10 PM, James Waddick wrote: > Dear PBS ers, > > My last note got no replies. Hard to believe NO ONE grows Allium > chinese. > > This time I have a question regarding an Oxalidaceae : Biophytum. > This is a terrarium weed and common in semitropical moist gardens. Looks > like a tiny palm tree. > > Does any one grow any species? The most common is B. sensitive. > I’d like to get a couple seedlings for my terrarium. I’d repay postage if > any one has spares. > > Thanks Jim W. > > or any species of the genus. > > > Dr. James Waddick > 8871 NW Brostrom Rd > Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 > USA > Phone 816-746-1949 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From ldiane.whitehead@gmail.com Fri, 18 Nov 2016 12:17:05 -0800 Message-Id: From: Diane Whitehead Subject: Allium chinense Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:18:45 -0800 There are a couple of pictures from Norway here: http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8329.msg228534#msg228534 The grower has not had them flower. From brerboy@gmail.com Fri, 18 Nov 2016 13:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: From: JoeJoe Clark Subject: Western Lily (L. occidentale) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 13:28:31 -0700 Dear PBSers, I'm having a hard time getting information about taking care of L. occidentale. I haven't obtained bulbs of this species yet (still looking), but I received a seed package from Chiltern nursery and information of growing hypogeal liliums. However, what are the natural conditions of this beautiful lily? Cheers, Joe Joe From arnold140@verizon.net Fri, 18 Nov 2016 13:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: <18867115.1492910.1479503780695.JavaMail.root@tvweb133060.mailsrvcs.net> From: arnold140@verizon.net Subject: Western Lily (L. occidentale) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 15:16:20 -0600 (CST) Joe Joe: Have a look here. http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/NorthAmericanLiliumTwo#occidentale Here's info on germination for lilies. http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/LilyGermination Arnold New Jersey On 11/18/16, JoeJoe Clark wrote: Dear PBSers, I'm having a hard time getting information about taking care of L. occidentale. I haven't obtained bulbs of this species yet (still looking), but I received a seed package from Chiltern nursery and information of growing hypogeal liliums. However, what are the natural conditions of this beautiful lily? Cheers, Joe Joe From bruceandjill.schroder@gmail.com Fri, 18 Nov 2016 14:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: From: Bruce Schroder Subject: Eustephia darwinii Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 08:30:26 +1100 Rimmer - I too am a bit confused re the growth habit of this species. I was given a young 2 year old seedling from a friend earlier this year. It has been in leaf the whole time here in the southern hemisphere over our winter which has confused me as I thought it was a summer grower as well. I was in Peru in September and was lucky enough to see mature plants flowering when we were at Machu Pichu. With no leaves visible at all, flowering stems were appearing out of rock crevices and similar very dry and well drained locations. Although it was late winter in Peru as well at the time, winters tend to be quite dry with most of the rain coming in late spring and summer so I presume the flowering spikes would soon be followed by a flush of leaf growth, supporting the notion that they are summer growers. Perhaps mine (and the rest of the batch my friend has) will settle into a summer only growth pattern once mature. Whilst in Peru, I also saw Eustephia kawidei flowering in the most inhospitable hot and dry, exposed positions. Truly beautiful flowers and oh how I wish I could have been there at seed set! With respect to the offsets, this seems to be similar to the habit of a Pyrolirion another friend is growing. She advised that small corm like offsets with no roots or shoots where produced in abundance at the base of the pot. I was given a few of these and now as the weather is warming up, they appear to be "germinating" rather than sprouting. I have planted them like seeds close to the surface of my gravelly mix. Bruce Schroder Melbourne, Australia From janemcgary@earthlink.net Fri, 18 Nov 2016 19:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Western Lily (L. occidentale) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 18:56:20 -0800 JoeJoe wrote: "I'm having a hard time getting information about taking care of L. > occidentale. I haven't obtained bulbs of this species yet (still looking), > but I received a seed package from Chiltern nursery and information of > growing hypogeal liliums. However, what are the natural conditions of this > beautiful lily?" > From Edward McRae, /"Lilium" /in /Bulbs of North America: /"It occurs in the coastal zone from northern California to Southern Oregon, growing in the drier parts of sphagnum bogs. It may be submerged during the wetter months but dried out to some extent in mid to late summer. The water in these bogs is moving, not stagnant. Cultivation can be attempted in lime-free loam enriched with leafmold and peat. ... They demand their own natural environment.... This species is threatened in the wild by the encroachment of trees, which shade it excessively." In short, unless you are successfully growing its pals /Cypripedium californicum /and /Darlingtonia californica, /you probably don't have a good spot for it in the garden. The fresh, slowly moving, lime-free water is probably a prerequisite. This beautiful lily can be seen in dedicated preserves near the Oregon coast. Jane McGary Portland, Oregon, (formerly) USA From robin@hansennursery.com Fri, 18 Nov 2016 20:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <001f01d24216$dcce3160$966a9420$@hansennursery.com> From: "Hansen Nursery" Subject: Western Lily (L. occidentale) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 19:41:49 -0800 I have L. occidentale from garden-collected seed just potted in container mix in gallon cans. It bloomed very well for me this summer. Granted, I'm on the southwest coast of Oregon, the lily did not get direct sun, was watered regularly and fed with bonemeal. I don't recall any special things I did for it. I have several patches with especially well-marked flowers growing a half-mile from me in wet areas but not bogs or fens. These areas dry out in summer but are in somewhat sheltered areas with a lot of light. They do not tolerate competition well at all. In fact in areas where they once grew, the salal and other shrubs have squeezed them out completely, so that it's understandable they're mostly found on the edges of bogs or fens. Robin Hansen Nursery robin@hansennursery.com From janjeddeloh@gmail.com Sun, 20 Nov 2016 19:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: <18A01F18-0E84-46ED-8896-90BC1189CB2E@gmail.com> From: Jan Jeddeloh Subject: Narcissus eyecandy Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 19:07:46 -0800 Those of you who don’t troll the SRGC forum and like narcissus my be interested in this link on the forum. Really gorgeous pictures. http://files.srgc.net/general/Wild_Iberian_Narcissus2016.pdf Jan Jeddeloh, Portland, Oregon _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From robin@hansennursery.com Mon, 21 Nov 2016 09:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <001b01d24415$cbec2ae0$63c480a0$@hansennursery.com> From: "Hansen Nursery" Subject: Was Narcissus Eyecandy now N. viridiflorus Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 08:39:14 -0800 Jan, Thanks so much for forwarding that link - you are absolutely right. The photos are stunning! I'm even more excited to discover I have Narcissus viridiflora germinating. Not the most scintillating of Narcissus, but I read that the fragrance is wonderful. I don't recall any comments or other sources that mention fall-blooming Narcissus. Is there such a thing??? Robin Hansen Nursery robin@hansennursery.com From wpoulsen@pacbell.net Mon, 21 Nov 2016 09:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: From: Lee Poulsen Subject: Was Narcissus Eyecandy now N. viridiflorus Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 09:02:23 -0800 I’m not sure I would call the fragrance of N. viridiflora “wonderful”. It’s a little musky to me, but nicer than the fragrance of paperwhites, which to me are too potent and not much of what makes you say “ahhh”. Autumn-flowering Narcissus is a thing. There are several Mediterranean species, but I’m no expert. However, I live in southern California, so I’ve spent a little time looking for them. The ones I know about are: NN. broussonetii, elegans, serotinus, and of course viridiflorus. I searched on the PBS wiki and found one more listed, N. cavanillesii. I know there are others. Also, you should look at Bill (the Bulb Baron) Welch’s website and list. He’s one of the kings of breeding and selling autumn-flowering Narcissus—and Division 8 daffodil hybrids in general. --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m > On Nov 21, 2016, at 8:39 AM, Hansen Nursery wrote: > > I'm even more excited to discover I have Narcissus viridiflora germinating. Not the most scintillating of Narcissus, but I read that the fragrance is wonderful. I don't recall any comments or other sources that mention fall-blooming Narcissus. Is there such a thing??? > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Mon, 21 Nov 2016 12:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <589939012.1310514.1479757056111@mail.yahoo.com> From: Radha Vallabhaneni via pbs Subject: Was Narcissus Eyecandy now N. viridiflorus Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 19:37:35 +0000 (UTC) Please delete me from your mailing list. Thank you  very much. On Monday, November 21, 2016 2:31 PM, Lee Poulsen wrote: I’m not sure I would call the fragrance of N. viridiflora “wonderful”. It’s a little musky to me, but nicer than the fragrance of paperwhites, which to me are too potent and not much of what makes you say “ahhh”. Autumn-flowering Narcissus is a thing. There are several Mediterranean species, but I’m no expert. However, I live in southern California, so I’ve spent a little time looking for them. The ones I know about are: NN. broussonetii, elegans, serotinus, and of course viridiflorus. I searched on the PBS wiki and found one more listed, N. cavanillesii. I know there are others. Also, you should look at Bill (the Bulb Baron) Welch’s website and list. He’s one of the kings of breeding and selling autumn-flowering Narcissus—and Division 8 daffodil hybrids in general. --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m > On Nov 21, 2016, at 8:39 AM, Hansen Nursery wrote: > > I'm even more excited to discover I have Narcissus viridiflora germinating.  Not the most scintillating of Narcissus, but I read that the fragrance is wonderful.  I don't recall any comments or other sources that mention fall-blooming Narcissus.  Is there such a thing??? > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From arnold140@verizon.net Mon, 21 Nov 2016 18:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <894022.1554841.1479778633153.JavaMail.root@tvweb133011.mailsrvcs.net> From: arnold140@verizon.net Subject: Was Narcissus Eyecandy now N. viridiflorus Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 19:37:13 -0600 (CST) Robin: I wouldn't call the scent of N. viridflorus wonderful. To my nose somewhere between vinyl and a tupperware container. Arnold New Jersey On 11/21/16, Hansen Nursery wrote: Jan, Thanks so much for forwarding that link - you are absolutely right. The photos are stunning! I'm even more excited to discover I have Narcissus viridiflora germinating. Not the most scintillating of Narcissus, but I read that the fragrance is wonderful. I don't recall any comments or other sources that mention fall-blooming Narcissus. Is there such a thing??? Robin Hansen Nursery robin@hansennursery.com From robin@hansennursery.com Mon, 21 Nov 2016 18:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <005401d24462$f5901530$e0b03f90$@hansennursery.com> From: "Hansen Nursery" Subject: Was Narcissus Eyecandy now N. viridiflorus Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 17:51:35 -0800 I love how people perceive one particular plant's scent so differently! Many of the cyclamen have fragrance, some intense, but for the life of me, I can smell any fragrance from coum and hederifolium even though others do! Robin Hansen Nursery robin@hansennursery.com >>I wouldn't call the scent of N. viridflorus wonderful. To my nose somewhere between vinyl and a tupperware container. Arnold New Jersey From iyou@me.com Tue, 22 Nov 2016 00:17:05 -0800 Message-Id: From: Charles Powne Subject: Western Lily (L. occidentale) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 18:43:13 -0800 On Nov 21, 2016, at 5:37 PM, pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote: > I'm having a hard time getting information about taking care of L. > occidentale. I haven't obtained bulbs of this species yet (still looking), > but I received a seed package from Chiltern nursery and information of > growing hypogeal liliums. However, what are the natural conditions of this > beautiful lily? > > Cheers, > > Joe Joe > _________ I found google to be helpful. It lead me to this document: https://www.oregon.gov/ODA/shared/Documents/Publications/PlantConservation/LiliumOccidentaleProfile.pdf Which includes the following information: Western lily is often found near the ocean in freshwater fens and on the edges of bogs, in coastal prairie and scrub, and in transition zones between these communities. The species also occurs in spruce forest, but plants in this habitat are stunted and do not produce flowers. It occurs at elevations ranging from just above sea level to about 120 m (400 ft). The species occurs in two distinct soil types. The first type, deep organic peat, which is saturated for most of the year, appears to be correlated with the "Oregon form" of western lily (see Plant description). The second type, mineral-based soils, which tend to be acidic, poorly drained, and exhibit either a shallow iron pan or clay pan that holds water seasonally, appears correlated with the "California form" of the species. Associated species that occur at nearly all western lily sites include Picea sitchensis, Malus fusca, Salix spp., Myrica californica, Gaultheria shallon, Spiraea douglasii, Vaccinium ovatum, Rubus spp., Lonicera involucrata, Calamagrostis nutkaensis, Carex obnupta, Gentiana sceptrum, Lotus formosissimus, Blechnum spicant, and Pteridium aquilinum. Common associates usually restricted to the northern portion of the species’ range (Del Norte County northward) include Pinus contorta ssp. contorta, Chamaecyparis lawsonia, Ledum glandulosum, Rhododendron occidentale, R. macrophyllum, Tofieldia glutinosa, Trientalis arctica, Sanguisorba officinalis, Sphagnum spp., and Viola palustris. Species more common in the southern portion of western lily’s range include Polystichum munitum, Holcus lanatus, and Anthoxanthum odoratum. Range Western lily is restricted within a narrow 4-mile- (6.4-kilometer-) wide band that spans about 200 miles (320 kilometers) along the Pacific coastline from Hauser, Coos County, Oregon to Loleta, Humboldt County, California. There are approximately 23 extant principle populations occurring within this limited region (as recognized by U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service), all of which are small (ranging from less than 0.1 acres to 10 acres), isolated, and densely clumped. Charles Powne iyou@me.com Portland, OR USDA zone 8b From pamela@polson.com Mon, 21 Nov 2016 19:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: From: Pamela Harlow Subject: Was Narcissus Eyecandy now N. viridiflorus Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 19:01:05 -0800 Some C. hederifolium are highly fragrant although most are not. I have never found a fragrant white one, however. Only pink. On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 5:51 PM, Hansen Nursery wrote: > I love how people perceive one particular plant's scent so differently! > Many of the cyclamen have fragrance, some intense, but for the life of me, > I > can smell any fragrance from coum and hederifolium even though others do! > > Robin > Hansen Nursery > robin@hansennursery.com > > > >>I wouldn't call the scent of N. viridflorus wonderful. > To my nose somewhere between vinyl and a tupperware container. > > Arnold > New Jersey > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From brown.mark@wanadoo.fr Tue, 22 Nov 2016 00:17:05 -0800 Message-Id: <933167096.1865.1479802275406.JavaMail.www@wwinf1j37> From: Mark BROWN Subject: Narcissus eyecandy Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 09:11:15 +0100 (CET) Some gorgeous autumn flowering species and their hybrids. Narcissus x romoi is a gem that the author says can flower from autumn onwards... Mark         _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From youngs.aberdeen@btinternet.com Wed, 23 Nov 2016 11:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <7ab57025-9fae-4843-44a7-69786bae67e8@btinternet.com> From: youngs Subject: Was Narcissus Eyecandy now N. viridiflorus Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 18:56:16 +0000 Robin Hansen - and others - good to see the rather fine compilation of Fernando Ureña Plaza shared here. Well-spotted, Jan! You may also be interested in this recent thread on autumn flowering narcissus... there are others too..... http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=14782.0 M. Young _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From brown.mark@wanadoo.fr Thu, 24 Nov 2016 01:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: <1024551764.4034.1479977363356.JavaMail.www@wwinf1p03> From: Mark BROWN Subject:  Was Narcissus Eyecandy now N. viridiflorus Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 09:49:23 +0100 (CET) So many gorgeous plants to grow Maggie! Our gardens are not big enough and our lives not long enough either. Mark         > Message du 23/11/16 19:56 > De : "youngs" > A : pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Copie à : > Objet : [pbs]  Was Narcissus Eyecandy now N. viridiflorus > > Robin Hansen - and others - good to see the rather fine compilation of Fernando Ureña Plaza shared here. Well-spotted, Jan! You may also be interested in this recent thread on autumn flowering narcissus... there are others too..... http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=14782.0 M. Young _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From youngs.aberdeen@btinternet.com Thu, 24 Nov 2016 15:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: From: youngs Subject: IRG 83- November issue Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 22:21:15 +0000 New International Rock Gardener e-magazine (IRG) - free to download of course - this month featuring Native Bees of Southwestern Oregon by Travis Owen http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2016Nov241480016901IRG83-November2016.pdf M. Young From ds429@frontier.com Fri, 25 Nov 2016 10:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: <49968.5036.bm@smtp225.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Subject: Pacific Bulb Society SX 7 Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 12:26:03 -0500 Dear PBS members, The seeds listed below have been donated by our members and friends to be shared. If you are interested in obtaining some of these seeds, **please email me PRIVATELY at:** mailto:ds429@frontier.com Please put "SX 7" in the subject line. YOU MAY REQUEST ONLY ONE PACKET OF ANY ITEM. SPECIFY THE ITEM NUMBER, AND LIST THOSE NUMBERS IN NUMERICAL ORDER. Depending on my time, I may or may not reply to your order. Please also include your shipping address (even if you've provided it previously). When you receive your seeds, you will find, enclosed, a statement of what you owe the PBS treasurer ($2.00 US per packet of #’s 894 – 992), ($1.00 US per packet of earlier #’s) (+ shipping and handling). Many of you are signed up to the PBS email discussion list, which is free, but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society which has a yearly membership charge. ONLY PBS MEMBERS MAY PARTICIPATE IN THIS SX. If you are not a member, please consider joining so that you can participate in future offers such as this one. Go to: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/ for membership information. Thank you to all of our generous donors! 813 Albuca aff. flaccida (a volunteer); MSW 814 Allium cernuum; NN 816 Bellevalia dubia ex Greece; NM 820 Camassia quamash; NN 821 Colchicum sp. mixed, OP; AT 824 Crocus goulimyi, ex Greece; NM 826 Crocus tommasinianus 'Pictus'; RdV 828 Dahlia 'Bishop's Children'; DK 831 Freesia laxa; ME 847 Iris lutescens, ex S. France; NM 848 Iris pumila, ex Georgia; NM 850 Massonia "echinata", ex NARGS OP; RdV 851 Massonia "pustulata" ex BX 337 OP; RdV 852 Massonia hyb. aff. pustulata, ex NARGS; RdV 853 Muscari aucheri; NM 855 Muscari pseudomuscari ex Iran (Pseudomuscari chalusicum); NM 858 Nothoscordum gracile var. macrostemon; RdV 859 Nothoscordum sp. ex Harry Hay; NM 860 Ornithogalum albomarginatum; MSW 864 Polyxena corymbosa (Lachenalia); LJ 867 Scilla hyacinthoides; LJ 869 Scilla melaina ex Turkey; NM 872 Scilla siberica 'Alba'; RdV 877 Sinningia cardinalis, ex BX; RdV 894 Acis ionica; AP 895 Albuca sp., yellow; RW 896 Allium myrianthum, ex Ruksans, tall, 4" drumstick, July; RdV 897 Allium sp., ex Chiapas; NN 898 Androcymbium rechingeri; AP 899 Babiana ecklonii; DF 900 Babiana 'Jim's Choice', ex Jim Duggan; DF 901 Babiana pulchra, white; DF 902 Bloomeria crocea; JM 903 Brodiaea californica ; JB 904 Brodiaea elegans ; JB 905 Calochortus albus; RW 906 Calochortus amabilis; RW 907 Calochortus clavatus subsp. clavatus; JM 908 Calochortus clavatus subsp. gracilis; JM 909 Calochortus dunnii; JM 910 Calochortus howellii; JM 911 Calochortus longibarbatus; JM 912 Calochortus luteus; JB 913 Calochortus nudus; RW 914 Calochortus obispoensis; JM 915 Calochortus simulans; JM 916 Calochortus superbus; JB 917 Calochortus venustus, red; RW 918 Calochortus venustus, typical form; NN 919 Calochortus venustus, white; JB 920 Calochortus venustus, white; RW 921 Calochortus weedii var. intermedius; RW 922 Calochortus weedii var. weedii, brown edge; RW 923 Calochortus weedii var. weedii, yellow; RW 924 Calydorea amabilis; NN 925 Chlorophytum saundersiae; AG 926 Cyrtanthus brachyscyphus; NN 927 Delphinium cardinale; JB 928 Dichelostemma capitatum; JB 929 Dichelostemma ida-maia; JB 930 Dichelostemma multiflorum ; JB 931 Dierama pendulum; CP 932 Dierama pulcherrimum; CP 933 Erythronium revolutum; JJ 934 Eucomis zambesiaca; FT 935 Freesia laxa subsp. azurea, less hardy than F. l. subsp. laxa; MR 936 Freesia laxa; CP 937 Fritillaria affinis; RW 938 Gelasine coerulea, OP; NN 939 Gelasine elongata; AP 940 Gladiolius carneus, pink; AP 941 Gladiolus carinatus; AP 942 Gladiolus equitans; AP 943 Gladiolus pritzellii; NN 944 Gladiolus splendens; AP 945 Gladiolus venustus; AP 946 Gladiolus watermeyerii; AP 947 Habranthus robustus; RdV 948 Habranthus tubispathus; NN 949 Herbertia lahue; NN 950 Herbertia pulchella; NN 951 Hippeastrum 'Exotica', selfed; SV 952 Iris cycloglossa; AP 953 Ixia 'Giant'; DF 954 Kniphofia citrina; CP 955 Lilium chalcedonicum; AP 956 Mirabilis longiflora; JG 957 Moraea bellendenii; RW 958 Moraea britteniae; AP 959 Moraea ciliata, tall blue; RW 960 Moraea ciliata, white; RW 961 Moraea gigandra; DF 962 Moraea marlothii; AP 963 Moraea polyanthus; RW 964 Moraea pritzeliana; AP 965 Moraea tulbaghensis; RW 966 Moraea vegeta; RW 967 Moraea vespertina; RW 968 Narcissus broussonetii; AP 969 Narcissus rupicola; JM 970 Nectaroscordum tripedale; AP 971 Oziroe biflora; JM 972 Paeonia lactiflora, single pink, white, red; RdV 973 Romulea eximia; AP 974 Romulea monadelpha; AP 975 Romulea requienii; AP 976 Sprekelia formosissima; NN 977 Thalictrum tuberosum; JM 978 Triteleia hyacinthina; JB 979 Triteleia ixioides; JB 980 Triteleia laxa; JB 981 Tritileia clementina, OP; NN 982 Veltheimia bracteata; DF 983 Wachendorfia thyrsiflora; CP 984 Zephyranthes drummondii, white; BH 985 Zephyranthes flavissima, OP; NN 986 Zephyranthes katheriniae, red; RdV 987 Zephyranthes 'Krakatoa'; NN 988 Zephyranthes magnoi, ex Telos; RdV 989 Zephyranthes minima; RdV 990 Zephyranthes pulchella, dk yellow; RdV 991 Zephyranthes smallii, pale yellow; RdV 992 Zephyrathes primulina, ex Makela; RdV AG = Alberto Grossi AP = Angelo Porcelli BH = Bob Hoel CP = Charles Powne DF = Dee Foster FT = Fred Thorne JB = Jim Barton JG = Judy Glattstein JJ = Jan Jeddeloh JM = Jane McGary MR = Mike Rummerfield NN = Nhu Nguyen RdV = Rimmer de Vries RW = Robert Werra SV = Sabrina Vollnhals _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From ceridwen@internode.on.net Sat, 26 Nov 2016 07:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: <5AB6770A-3992-41B4-A67E-D277030B7AF7@internode.on.net> From: Ceridwen Lloyd Subject: Pacific Bulb Society SX 7 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 00:23:40 +1030 Hi, Please re-send, thanks (I only got part of it) Thanks Sent from my iPhone > On 26 Nov. 2016, at 3:56 am, wrote: > > Dear PBS members, > > The seeds listed below have been donated by our members and friends to > be shared. > > If you are interested in obtaining some of these seeds, **please email > me PRIVATELY at:** > mailto:ds429@frontier.com > > Please put "SX 7" in the subject line. > > YOU MAY REQUEST ONLY ONE PACKET OF ANY ITEM. SPECIFY THE ITEM NUMBER, > AND LIST THOSE NUMBERS IN NUMERICAL ORDER. > > Depending on my time, I may or may not reply to your order. > > Please also include your shipping address (even if you've provided it > previously). When you receive your seeds, you will find, enclosed, a > statement of what you owe the PBS treasurer > ($2.00 US per packet of #’s 894 – 992), ($1.00 US per packet of earlier #’s) > (+ shipping and handling). > > Many of you are signed up to the PBS email discussion list, which is > free, but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society which has a yearly > membership charge. ONLY PBS MEMBERS MAY PARTICIPATE IN THIS SX. If you > are not a member, please consider joining so that you can participate in > future offers such as this one. Go to: > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/ > for membership information. > > Thank you to all of our generous donors! > > 813 Albuca aff. flaccida (a volunteer); MSW > 814 Allium cernuum; NN > 816 Bellevalia dubia ex Greece; NM > 820 Camassia quamash; NN > 821 Colchicum sp. mixed, OP; AT > 824 Crocus goulimyi, ex Greece; NM > 826 Crocus tommasinianus 'Pictus'; RdV > 828 Dahlia 'Bishop's Children'; DK > 831 Freesia laxa; ME > 847 Iris lutescens, ex S. France; NM > 848 Iris pumila, ex Georgia; NM > 850 Massonia "echinata", ex NARGS OP; RdV > 851 Massonia "pustulata" ex BX 337 OP; RdV > 852 Massonia hyb. aff. pustulata, ex NARGS; RdV > 853 Muscari aucheri; NM > 855 Muscari pseudomuscari ex Iran (Pseudomuscari chalusicum); NM > 858 Nothoscordum gracile var. macrostemon; RdV > 859 Nothoscordum sp. ex Harry Hay; NM > 860 Ornithogalum albomarginatum; MSW > 864 Polyxena corymbosa (Lachenalia); LJ > 867 Scilla hyacinthoides; LJ > 869 Scilla melaina ex Turkey; NM > 872 Scilla siberica 'Alba'; RdV > 877 Sinningia cardinalis, ex BX; RdV > > > > 894 Acis ionica; AP > 895 Albuca sp., yellow; RW > 896 Allium myrianthum, ex Ruksans, tall, 4" drumstick, July; RdV > 897 Allium sp., ex Chiapas; NN > 898 Androcymbium r _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From david@davidpilling.com Sat, 26 Nov 2016 11:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <3afe500e-208a-75ec-ab78-bff7befc0236@davidpilling.com> From: David Pilling Subject: Pacific Bulb Society SX 7 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 17:20:13 +0000 Hi, On 26/11/2016 13:53, Ceridwen Lloyd wrote: > Please re-send, thanks (I only got part of it) See the list archive: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbslist/2016-November/gofs2ktjk93dcfk17hu6vdemm0.html or https://goo.gl/b4m51B -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com From prallen2@peoplepc.com Sat, 26 Nov 2016 16:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: <18287990.6492.1480199068140@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> From: patty allen Subject: Pacific Bulb Society SX 7 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 16:24:27 -0600 (GMT-06:00) I would like to order 3 pkts of # 986 if possible. Thanks Patty Allen -----Original Message----- >From: ds429@frontier.com >Sent: Nov 25, 2016 11:26 AM >To: pbs >Subject: [pbs] Pacific Bulb Society SX 7 > >Dear PBS members, > >The seeds listed below have been donated by our members and friends to >be shared. > >If you are interested in obtaining some of these seeds, **please email >me PRIVATELY at:** >mailto:ds429@frontier.com > >Please put "SX 7" in the subject line. > >YOU MAY REQUEST ONLY ONE PACKET OF ANY ITEM. SPECIFY THE ITEM NUMBER, >AND LIST THOSE NUMBERS IN NUMERICAL ORDER. > >Depending on my time, I may or may not reply to your order. > >Please also include your shipping address (even if you've provided it >previously). When you receive your seeds, you will find, enclosed, a >statement of what you owe the PBS treasurer >($2.00 US per packet of #’s 894 – 992), ($1.00 US per packet of earlier #’s) >(+ shipping and handling). > >Many of you are signed up to the PBS email discussion list, which is >free, but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society which has a yearly >membership charge. ONLY PBS MEMBERS MAY PARTICIPATE IN THIS SX. If you >are not a member, please consider joining so that you can participate in >future offers such as this one. Go to: >http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/ >for membership information. > >Thank you to all of our generous donors! > >813 Albuca aff. flaccida (a volunteer); MSW >814 Allium cernuum; NN >816 Bellevalia dubia ex Greece; NM >820 Camassia quamash; NN >821 Colchicum sp. mixed, OP; AT >824 Crocus goulimyi, ex Greece; NM >826 Crocus tommasinianus 'Pictus'; RdV >828 Dahlia 'Bishop's Children'; DK >831 Freesia laxa; ME >847 Iris lutescens, ex S. France; NM >848 Iris pumila, ex Georgia; NM >850 Massonia "echinata", ex NARGS OP; RdV >851 Massonia "pustulata" ex BX 337 OP; RdV >852 Massonia hyb. aff. pustulata, ex NARGS; RdV >853 Muscari aucheri; NM >855 Muscari pseudomuscari ex Iran (Pseudomuscari chalusicum); NM >858 Nothoscordum gracile var. macrostemon; RdV >859 Nothoscordum sp. ex Harry Hay; NM >860 Ornithogalum albomarginatum; MSW >864 Polyxena corymbosa (Lachenalia); LJ >867 Scilla hyacinthoides; LJ >869 Scilla melaina ex Turkey; NM >872 Scilla siberica 'Alba'; RdV >877 Sinningia cardinalis, ex BX; RdV > > > >894 Acis ionica; AP >895 Albuca sp., yellow; RW >896 Allium myrianthum, ex Ruksans, tall, 4" drumstick, July; RdV >897 Allium sp., ex Chiapas; NN >898 Androcymbium rechingeri; AP >899 Babiana ecklonii; DF >900 Babiana 'Jim's Choice', ex Jim Duggan; DF >901 Babiana pulchra, white; DF >902 Bloomeria crocea; JM >903 Brodiaea californica ; JB >904 Brodiaea elegans ; JB >905 Calochortus albus; RW >906 Calochortus amabilis; RW >907 Calochortus clavatus subsp. clavatus; JM >908 Calochortus clavatus subsp. gracilis; JM >909 Calochortus dunnii; JM >910 Calochortus howellii; JM >911 Calochortus longibarbatus; JM >912 Calochortus luteus; JB >913 Calochortus nudus; RW >914 Calochortus obispoensis; JM >915 Calochortus simulans; JM >916 Calochortus superbus; JB >917 Calochortus venustus, red; RW >918 Calochortus venustus, typical form; NN >919 Calochortus venustus, white; JB >920 Calochortus venustus, white; RW >921 Calochortus weedii var. intermedius; RW >922 Calochortus weedii var. weedii, brown edge; RW >923 Calochortus weedii var. weedii, yellow; RW >924 Calydorea amabilis; NN >925 Chlorophytum saundersiae; AG >926 Cyrtanthus brachyscyphus; NN >927 Delphinium cardinale; JB >928 Dichelostemma capitatum; JB >929 Dichelostemma ida-maia; JB >930 Dichelostemma multiflorum ; JB >931 Dierama pendulum; CP >932 Dierama pulcherrimum; CP >933 Erythronium revolutum; JJ >934 Eucomis zambesiaca; FT >935 Freesia laxa subsp. azurea, less hardy than F. l. subsp. laxa; MR >936 Freesia laxa; CP >937 Fritillaria affinis; RW >938 Gelasine coerulea, OP; NN >939 Gelasine elongata; AP >940 Gladiolius carneus, pink; AP >941 Gladiolus carinatus; AP >942 Gladiolus equitans; AP >943 Gladiolus pritzellii; NN >944 Gladiolus splendens; AP >945 Gladiolus venustus; AP >946 Gladiolus watermeyerii; AP >947 Habranthus robustus; RdV >948 Habranthus tubispathus; NN >949 Herbertia lahue; NN >950 Herbertia pulchella; NN >951 Hippeastrum 'Exotica', selfed; SV >952 Iris cycloglossa; AP >953 Ixia 'Giant'; DF >954 Kniphofia citrina; CP >955 Lilium chalcedonicum; AP >956 Mirabilis longiflora; JG >957 Moraea bellendenii; RW >958 Moraea britteniae; AP >959 Moraea ciliata, tall blue; RW >960 Moraea ciliata, white; RW >961 Moraea gigandra; DF >962 Moraea marlothii; AP >963 Moraea polyanthus; RW >964 Moraea pritzeliana; AP >965 Moraea tulbaghensis; RW >966 Moraea vegeta; RW >967 Moraea vespertina; RW >968 Narcissus broussonetii; AP >969 Narcissus rupicola; JM >970 Nectaroscordum tripedale; AP >971 Oziroe biflora; JM >972 Paeonia lactiflora, single pink, white, red; RdV >973 Romulea eximia; AP >974 Romulea monadelpha; AP >975 Romulea requienii; AP >976 Sprekelia formosissima; NN >977 Thalictrum tuberosum; JM >978 Triteleia hyacinthina; JB >979 Triteleia ixioides; JB >980 Triteleia laxa; JB >981 Tritileia clementina, OP; NN >982 Veltheimia bracteata; DF >983 Wachendorfia thyrsiflora; CP >984 Zephyranthes drummondii, white; BH >985 Zephyranthes flavissima, OP; NN >986 Zephyranthes katheriniae, red; RdV >987 Zephyranthes 'Krakatoa'; NN >988 Zephyranthes magnoi, ex Telos; RdV >989 Zephyranthes minima; RdV >990 Zephyranthes pulchella, dk yellow; RdV >991 Zephyranthes smallii, pale yellow; RdV >992 Zephyrathes primulina, ex Makela; RdV > > > > > > > > AG = Alberto Grossi > AP = Angelo Porcelli > BH = Bob Hoel > CP = Charles Powne > DF = Dee Foster > FT = Fred Thorne > JB = Jim Barton > JG = Judy Glattstein > JJ = Jan Jeddeloh > JM = Jane McGary > MR = Mike Rummerfield > NN = Nhu Nguyen > RdV = Rimmer de Vries > RW = Robert Werra > SV = Sabrina Vollnhals > >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From slsykora@sbcglobal.net Sun, 27 Nov 2016 13:17:05 -0800 Message-Id: From: Sylvia Sykora Subject: SEED VIABILITY Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 11:21:28 -0800 In reviewing my seed collection for winter sowing I find myself with packets of seed, many dated more than two or three years ago. Does anyone know of a list by genera, at least, of viability times for stored seed? I know this is not a subject with hard and fast rules, but even some general guide lines would be useful and save time and energy sowing seed that's just too old to germinate. Thank you. Sylvia Sykora SF Bay Area From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sun, 27 Nov 2016 13:17:05 -0800 Message-Id: <0d36fc95-a789-ee05-dc78-2c9cf51552d0@earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: SEED VIABILITY Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 12:04:19 -0800 In recent years I've had quite a bit of experience sowing old, indeed very old, seeds. Most had been stored in air-tight containers (e.g., glass jars) in refrigerators. It was surprising to see what germinated, although not all seedlings survived for more than a few months (perhaps because of the age of the cellular components). There were even some startling results, such as a single Celmisia from a packet more than 10 years old (it's still alive 2 1/2 years later, and this is the first time I've ever germinated a single one, even from fresh seeds I collected myself). People, including myself, who received seeds from the dispersal of a very large seed bank accumulated over more than 20 years by Betty Lowry of the Seattle area, have reported somewhat anecdotally on their results for an article that is planned for eventual publication in the NARGS Rock Garden Quarterly. I have also received long-stored seed from Gene Mirro and Ron Ratko. In general, species from particularly arid regions tend to have seeds with long viability, as could be predicted. Among monocots, Calochortus and the Themidaceae seem to do this. In proper storage conditions, Lilium seeds can have very long viability (and I'd guess this also applies to Tulipa). The literature on seed germination tends to make doctrinaire statements about viability, and my personal experience makes me doubt some of those. That experience also misled me into thinking, for instance, that Fritillaria seed can't be expected to germinate after long storage -- yet I got very good germination of F. conica (a desirable species) from the Lowry hoard. You will read that certain genera must be fresh to germinate, but observation tells us that within a genus there can be both short- and extended-viability species; examples are Anemone and Erythronium. Some authors write that all the Ranunculaceae are short-viability, but there are definitely exceptions; for instance, I've raised several Delphinium species from stored seed. The conclusion I'd offer is that you should sow any seeds you have, perhaps retaining a portion of those that are especially rare and desirable for later use -- or sharing with other good growers. Indeed, sharing seeds with others who may have different growing conditions or skills is the best way to ensure that good plants remain in cultivation. Thus, I'm glad I sent part of my share of the Lowry seeds to Bob Nold in Denver, Colorado, who was able to work successfully with some steppe species I couldn't manage here in the Pacific Northwest. Jane McGary Portland, Oregon, USA On 11/27/2016 11:21 AM, Sylvia Sykora wrote: > In reviewing my seed collection for winter sowing I find myself with packets of seed, many dated more than two or three years ago. Does anyone know of a list by genera, at least, of viability times for stored seed? I know this is not a subject with hard and fast rules, but even some general guide lines would be useful and save time and energy sowing seed that's just too old to germinate. > > Thank you. > > Sylvia Sykora > SF Bay Area > From ixia@dcsi.net.au Sun, 27 Nov 2016 14:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <000301d248ef$6bd6ab60$43840220$@net.au> From: "Bill Richardson" Subject: SEED VIABILITY Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 07:47:07 +1100 Hi Jane, This is an excellent post and I loved reading it. I've had the same experience here in Australia. I've grown many species from seed and the challenge is always there to germinate and grow the seedlings on. I germinated some Canna seed I collected in Queensland, after finding them in a packet in a drawer, six years old with a near 100% germination rate. Not all the info you read in books is correct, it is best to research the species yourself, eg. Habitat, growing conditions etc and sometimes your efforts with reward you immensely. Thank you for posting this, I think it is the most sensible post I have seen on here for ages. Best wishes from Australia. Bill Richardson Ixiaking. -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Jane McGary Sent: Monday, 28 November 2016 7:04 AM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] SEED VIABILITY In recent years I've had quite a bit of experience sowing old, indeed very old, seeds. Most had been stored in air-tight containers (e.g., glass jars) in refrigerators. It was surprising to see what germinated, although not all seedlings survived for more than a few months (perhaps because of the age of the cellular components). There were even some startling results, such as a single Celmisia from a packet more than 10 years old (it's still alive 2 1/2 years later, and this is the first time I've ever germinated a single one, even from fresh seeds I collected myself). People, including myself, who received seeds from the dispersal of a very large seed bank accumulated over more than 20 years by Betty Lowry of the Seattle area, have reported somewhat anecdotally on their results for an article that is planned for eventual publication in the NARGS Rock Garden Quarterly. I have also received long-stored seed from Gene Mirro and Ron Ratko. In general, species from particularly arid regions tend to have seeds with long viability, as could be predicted. Among monocots, Calochortus and the Themidaceae seem to do this. In proper storage conditions, Lilium seeds can have very long viability (and I'd guess this also applies to Tulipa). The literature on seed germination tends to make doctrinaire statements about viability, and my personal experience makes me doubt some of those. That experience also misled me into thinking, for instance, that Fritillaria seed can't be expected to germinate after long storage -- yet I got very good germination of F. conica (a desirable species) from the Lowry hoard. You will read that certain genera must be fresh to germinate, but observation tells us that within a genus there can be both short- and extended-viability species; examples are Anemone and Erythronium. Some authors write that all the Ranunculaceae are short-viability, but there are definitely exceptions; for instance, I've raised several Delphinium species from stored seed. The conclusion I'd offer is that you should sow any seeds you have, perhaps retaining a portion of those that are especially rare and desirable for later use -- or sharing with other good growers. Indeed, sharing seeds with others who may have different growing conditions or skills is the best way to ensure that good plants remain in cultivation. Thus, I'm glad I sent part of my share of the Lowry seeds to Bob Nold in Denver, Colorado, who was able to work successfully with some steppe species I couldn't manage here in the Pacific Northwest. Jane McGary Portland, Oregon, USA From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Sun, 27 Nov 2016 15:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <1738251596.1244788.1480284433297@mail.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: SEED VIABILITY Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 22:07:13 +0000 (UTC) Long time readers of this discussion list will perhaps remember that I have posted what follows in the past; a lifetime of growing plants from seed has provided many bits of information. Here are several highlights. All of the seed mentioned has been stored in a household refrigerator (which used to be the family beer fridge).  Seed of commercial Dianthus barbatus purchased in 1994 and stored at room temperature for several years before being transferred to a refrigerator has been tested several times (most recently last year I think) and each time has given prompt germination of nearly every seed.  A jumbo packet of culinary dill, Anethum graveolens, of about the same age provided hundreds of seedlings last year.  Seed of garden nasturtiums and Tropaeolum peregrinum, some more than twenty years, gave at least some germination; the resulting seedlings varied in strength, some strong, some weak.  Morning glories, Ipomoea, in general seem to last for decades.  Welwitschia mirabilis, from seed received in August 2008 and thus at least eight years old, was tested last year and this year and both lots began to signs of germination within a week. I generally try to sow seeds at what corresponds to the beginning of the growing season in their natural haunts.  Another remarkable germination event occurred years ago when I disposed of  a  decades-old seed collection by tossing it out onto the garden. The seeds in that collection had been stored at room temperature in paper bags and were subject to the fluctuations in local humidity.Among the seeds in that collection were those of Gymnocladus dioicus. Legume seed is notably long-lived, but that one surprised me: one of those rock-hard marbles germinated and has grown into a 15 footer by now.  Frozen lily seed seems to last indefinitely.  Taxa with so-called double-dormancy, such as Hamamelis, in my experience cannot be rushed by storing them frozen.  If you know of exceptions to any of the above, please speak up. I'm running a garden here, not an experiment station, and all of my sample sizes are small.  Jim McKenneyMontgomery County, Maryland, USA, zone 7, where freeze-tender plants near the house are still hanging on; out in the open garden, Camellia sasanqua is in full bloom had has been joined by a yellow-flowered Hamamelis and the remaining blooms of Elaeagnus pungens - three potently fragrant species which add so much to the autumnal garden.  _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From bbbradm@hotmail.com Sun, 27 Nov 2016 16:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: From: Brad M Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 166, Issue 12 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 22:46:47 +0000 934 Eucomis zambesiaca; FT 926 Cyrtanthus brachyscyphus; 02 Bloomeria crocea; JM 867 Scilla hyacinthoides; LJ please ________________________________ From: pbs on behalf of pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org Sent: Friday, 25 November 2016 5:29 PM To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 166, Issue 12 Send pbs mailing list submissions to pbs@lists.ibiblio.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php pbs -- Pacific Bulb Society - lists.ibiblio.org Mailing Lists lists.ibiblio.org Pacific Bulb Society Mailing List Welcome to an Internet discussion forum on bulbs, sponsored by the Pacific Bulb Society, for people around the world. or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org You can reach the person managing the list at pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." List-Post: To: pbs Subject: [pbs] Pacific Bulb Society SX 7 Message-ID: <49968.5036.bm@smtp225.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Dear PBS members, The seeds listed below have been donated by our members and friends to be shared. If you are interested in obtaining some of these seeds, **please email me PRIVATELY at:** mailto:ds429@frontier.com Please put "SX 7" in the subject line. YOU MAY REQUEST ONLY ONE PACKET OF ANY ITEM. SPECIFY THE ITEM NUMBER, AND LIST THOSE NUMBERS IN NUMERICAL ORDER. Depending on my time, I may or may not reply to your order. Please also include your shipping address (even if you've provided it previously). When you receive your seeds, you will find, enclosed, a statement of what you owe the PBS treasurer ($2.00 US per packet of #?s 894 ? 992), ($1.00 US per packet of earlier #?s) (+ shipping and handling). Many of you are signed up to the PBS email discussion list, which is free, but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society which has a yearly membership charge. ONLY PBS MEMBERS MAY PARTICIPATE IN THIS SX. If you are not a member, please consider joining so that you can participate in future offers such as this one. Go to: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/ for membership information. Thank you to all of our generous donors! 813 Albuca aff. flaccida (a volunteer); MSW 814 Allium cernuum; NN 816 Bellevalia dubia ex Greece; NM 820 Camassia quamash; NN 821 Colchicum sp. mixed, OP; AT 824 Crocus goulimyi, ex Greece; NM 826 Crocus tommasinianus 'Pictus'; RdV 828 Dahlia 'Bishop's Children'; DK 831 Freesia laxa; ME 847 Iris lutescens, ex S. France; NM 848 Iris pumila, ex Georgia; NM 850 Massonia "echinata", ex NARGS OP; RdV 851 Massonia "pustulata" ex BX 337 OP; RdV 852 Massonia hyb. aff. pustulata, ex NARGS; RdV 853 Muscari aucheri; NM 855 Muscari pseudomuscari ex Iran (Pseudomuscari chalusicum); NM 858 Nothoscordum gracile var. macrostemon; RdV 859 Nothoscordum sp. ex Harry Hay; NM 860 Ornithogalum albomarginatum; MSW 864 Polyxena corymbosa (Lachenalia); LJ 867 Scilla hyacinthoides; LJ 869 Scilla melaina ex Turkey; NM 872 Scilla siberica 'Alba'; RdV 877 Sinningia cardinalis, ex BX; RdV 894 Acis ionica; AP 895 Albuca sp., yellow; RW 896 Allium myrianthum, ex Ruksans, tall, 4" drumstick, July; RdV 897 Allium sp., ex Chiapas; NN 898 Androcymbium rechingeri; AP 899 Babiana ecklonii; DF 900 Babiana 'Jim's Choice', ex Jim Duggan; DF 901 Babiana pulchra, white; DF 902 Bloomeria crocea; JM 903 Brodiaea californica ; JB 904 Brodiaea elegans ; JB 905 Calochortus albus; RW 906 Calochortus amabilis; RW 907 Calochortus clavatus subsp. clavatus; JM 908 Calochortus clavatus subsp. gracilis; JM 909 Calochortus dunnii; JM 910 Calochortus howellii; JM 911 Calochortus longibarbatus; JM 912 Calochortus luteus; JB 913 Calochortus nudus; RW 914 Calochortus obispoensis; JM 915 Calochortus simulans; JM 916 Calochortus superbus; JB 917 Calochortus venustus, red; RW 918 Calochortus venustus, typical form; NN 919 Calochortus venustus, white; JB 920 Calochortus venustus, white; RW 921 Calochortus weedii var. intermedius; RW 922 Calochortus weedii var. weedii, brown edge; RW 923 Calochortus weedii var. weedii, yellow; RW 924 Calydorea amabilis; NN 925 Chlorophytum saundersiae; AG 926 Cyrtanthus brachyscyphus; NN 927 Delphinium cardinale; JB 928 Dichelostemma capitatum; JB 929 Dichelostemma ida-maia; JB 930 Dichelostemma multiflorum ; JB 931 Dierama pendulum; CP 932 Dierama pulcherrimum; CP 933 Erythronium revolutum; JJ 934 Eucomis zambesiaca; FT 935 Freesia laxa subsp. azurea, less hardy than F. l. subsp. laxa; MR 936 Freesia laxa; CP 937 Fritillaria affinis; RW 938 Gelasine coerulea, OP; NN 939 Gelasine elongata; AP 940 Gladiolius carneus, pink; AP 941 Gladiolus carinatus; AP 942 Gladiolus equitans; AP 943 Gladiolus pritzellii; NN 944 Gladiolus splendens; AP 945 Gladiolus venustus; AP 946 Gladiolus watermeyerii; AP 947 Habranthus robustus; RdV 948 Habranthus tubispathus; NN 949 Herbertia lahue; NN 950 Herbertia pulchella; NN 951 Hippeastrum 'Exotica', selfed; SV 952 Iris cycloglossa; AP 953 Ixia 'Giant'; DF 954 Kniphofia citrina; CP 955 Lilium chalcedonicum; AP 956 Mirabilis longiflora; JG 957 Moraea bellendenii; RW 958 Moraea britteniae; AP 959 Moraea ciliata, tall blue; RW 960 Moraea ciliata, white; RW 961 Moraea gigandra; DF 962 Moraea marlothii; AP 963 Moraea polyanthus; RW 964 Moraea pritzeliana; AP 965 Moraea tulbaghensis; RW 966 Moraea vegeta; RW 967 Moraea vespertina; RW 968 Narcissus broussonetii; AP 969 Narcissus rupicola; JM 970 Nectaroscordum tripedale; AP 971 Oziroe biflora; JM 972 Paeonia lactiflora, single pink, white, red; RdV 973 Romulea eximia; AP 974 Romulea monadelpha; AP 975 Romulea requienii; AP 976 Sprekelia formosissima; NN 977 Thalictrum tuberosum; JM 978 Triteleia hyacinthina; JB 979 Triteleia ixioides; JB 980 Triteleia laxa; JB 981 Tritileia clementina, OP; NN 982 Veltheimia bracteata; DF 983 Wachendorfia thyrsiflora; CP 984 Zephyranthes drummondii, white; BH 985 Zephyranthes flavissima, OP; NN 986 Zephyranthes katheriniae, red; RdV 987 Zephyranthes 'Krakatoa'; NN 988 Zephyranthes magnoi, ex Telos; RdV 989 Zephyranthes minima; RdV 990 Zephyranthes pulchella, dk yellow; RdV 991 Zephyranthes smallii, pale yellow; RdV 992 Zephyrathes primulina, ex Makela; RdV AG = Alberto Grossi AP = Angelo Porcelli BH = Bob Hoel CP = Charles Powne DF = Dee Foster FT = Fred Thorne JB = Jim Barton JG = Judy Glattstein JJ = Jan Jeddeloh JM = Jane McGary MR = Mike Rummerfield NN = Nhu Nguyen RdV = Rimmer de Vries RW = Robert Werra SV = Sabrina Vollnhals ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php ------------------------------ End of pbs Digest, Vol 166, Issue 12 ************************************ From bbbradm@hotmail.com Sun, 27 Nov 2016 16:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: From: Brad M Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 166, Issue 12 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 22:56:19 +0000 934 Eucomis zambesiaca; FT 926 Cyrtanthus brachyscyphus; 02 Bloomeria crocea; JM 867 Scilla hyacinthoides; LJ please Brad Mayger 43 Bluegum Drive MARSDEN QLD 4132 AUSTRALIA ________________________________ From: pbs on behalf of pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org Sent: Friday, 25 November 2016 5:29 PM To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 166, Issue 12 Send pbs mailing list submissions to pbs@lists.ibiblio.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php pbs -- Pacific Bulb Society - lists.ibiblio.org Mailing Lists lists.ibiblio.org Pacific Bulb Society Mailing List Welcome to an Internet discussion forum on bulbs, sponsored by the Pacific Bulb Society, for people around the world. or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org You can reach the person managing the list at pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." List-Post: To: pbs Subject: [pbs] Pacific Bulb Society SX 7 Message-ID: <49968.5036.bm@smtp225.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Dear PBS members, The seeds listed below have been donated by our members and friends to be shared. If you are interested in obtaining some of these seeds, **please email me PRIVATELY at:** mailto:ds429@frontier.com Please put "SX 7" in the subject line. YOU MAY REQUEST ONLY ONE PACKET OF ANY ITEM. SPECIFY THE ITEM NUMBER, AND LIST THOSE NUMBERS IN NUMERICAL ORDER. Depending on my time, I may or may not reply to your order. Please also include your shipping address (even if you've provided it previously). When you receive your seeds, you will find, enclosed, a statement of what you owe the PBS treasurer ($2.00 US per packet of #?s 894 ? 992), ($1.00 US per packet of earlier #?s) (+ shipping and handling). Many of you are signed up to the PBS email discussion list, which is free, but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society which has a yearly membership charge. ONLY PBS MEMBERS MAY PARTICIPATE IN THIS SX. If you are not a member, please consider joining so that you can participate in future offers such as this one. Go to: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/ for membership information. Thank you to all of our generous donors! 813 Albuca aff. flaccida (a volunteer); MSW 814 Allium cernuum; NN 816 Bellevalia dubia ex Greece; NM 820 Camassia quamash; NN 821 Colchicum sp. mixed, OP; AT 824 Crocus goulimyi, ex Greece; NM 826 Crocus tommasinianus 'Pictus'; RdV 828 Dahlia 'Bishop's Children'; DK 831 Freesia laxa; ME 847 Iris lutescens, ex S. France; NM 848 Iris pumila, ex Georgia; NM 850 Massonia "echinata", ex NARGS OP; RdV 851 Massonia "pustulata" ex BX 337 OP; RdV 852 Massonia hyb. aff. pustulata, ex NARGS; RdV 853 Muscari aucheri; NM 855 Muscari pseudomuscari ex Iran (Pseudomuscari chalusicum); NM 858 Nothoscordum gracile var. macrostemon; RdV 859 Nothoscordum sp. ex Harry Hay; NM 860 Ornithogalum albomarginatum; MSW 864 Polyxena corymbosa (Lachenalia); LJ 867 Scilla hyacinthoides; LJ 869 Scilla melaina ex Turkey; NM 872 Scilla siberica 'Alba'; RdV 877 Sinningia cardinalis, ex BX; RdV 894 Acis ionica; AP 895 Albuca sp., yellow; RW 896 Allium myrianthum, ex Ruksans, tall, 4" drumstick, July; RdV 897 Allium sp., ex Chiapas; NN 898 Androcymbium rechingeri; AP 899 Babiana ecklonii; DF 900 Babiana 'Jim's Choice', ex Jim Duggan; DF 901 Babiana pulchra, white; DF 902 Bloomeria crocea; JM 903 Brodiaea californica ; JB 904 Brodiaea elegans ; JB 905 Calochortus albus; RW 906 Calochortus amabilis; RW 907 Calochortus clavatus subsp. clavatus; JM 908 Calochortus clavatus subsp. gracilis; JM 909 Calochortus dunnii; JM 910 Calochortus howellii; JM 911 Calochortus longibarbatus; JM 912 Calochortus luteus; JB 913 Calochortus nudus; RW 914 Calochortus obispoensis; JM 915 Calochortus simulans; JM 916 Calochortus superbus; JB 917 Calochortus venustus, red; RW 918 Calochortus venustus, typical form; NN 919 Calochortus venustus, white; JB 920 Calochortus venustus, white; RW 921 Calochortus weedii var. intermedius; RW 922 Calochortus weedii var. weedii, brown edge; RW 923 Calochortus weedii var. weedii, yellow; RW 924 Calydorea amabilis; NN 925 Chlorophytum saundersiae; AG 926 Cyrtanthus brachyscyphus; NN 927 Delphinium cardinale; JB 928 Dichelostemma capitatum; JB 929 Dichelostemma ida-maia; JB 930 Dichelostemma multiflorum ; JB 931 Dierama pendulum; CP 932 Dierama pulcherrimum; CP 933 Erythronium revolutum; JJ 934 Eucomis zambesiaca; FT 935 Freesia laxa subsp. azurea, less hardy than F. l. subsp. laxa; MR 936 Freesia laxa; CP 937 Fritillaria affinis; RW 938 Gelasine coerulea, OP; NN 939 Gelasine elongata; AP 940 Gladiolius carneus, pink; AP 941 Gladiolus carinatus; AP 942 Gladiolus equitans; AP 943 Gladiolus pritzellii; NN 944 Gladiolus splendens; AP 945 Gladiolus venustus; AP 946 Gladiolus watermeyerii; AP 947 Habranthus robustus; RdV 948 Habranthus tubispathus; NN 949 Herbertia lahue; NN 950 Herbertia pulchella; NN 951 Hippeastrum 'Exotica', selfed; SV 952 Iris cycloglossa; AP 953 Ixia 'Giant'; DF 954 Kniphofia citrina; CP 955 Lilium chalcedonicum; AP 956 Mirabilis longiflora; JG 957 Moraea bellendenii; RW 958 Moraea britteniae; AP 959 Moraea ciliata, tall blue; RW 960 Moraea ciliata, white; RW 961 Moraea gigandra; DF 962 Moraea marlothii; AP 963 Moraea polyanthus; RW 964 Moraea pritzeliana; AP 965 Moraea tulbaghensis; RW 966 Moraea vegeta; RW 967 Moraea vespertina; RW 968 Narcissus broussonetii; AP 969 Narcissus rupicola; JM 970 Nectaroscordum tripedale; AP 971 Oziroe biflora; JM 972 Paeonia lactiflora, single pink, white, red; RdV 973 Romulea eximia; AP 974 Romulea monadelpha; AP 975 Romulea requienii; AP 976 Sprekelia formosissima; NN 977 Thalictrum tuberosum; JM 978 Triteleia hyacinthina; JB 979 Triteleia ixioides; JB 980 Triteleia laxa; JB 981 Tritileia clementina, OP; NN 982 Veltheimia bracteata; DF 983 Wachendorfia thyrsiflora; CP 984 Zephyranthes drummondii, white; BH 985 Zephyranthes flavissima, OP; NN 986 Zephyranthes katheriniae, red; RdV 987 Zephyranthes 'Krakatoa'; NN 988 Zephyranthes magnoi, ex Telos; RdV 989 Zephyranthes minima; RdV 990 Zephyranthes pulchella, dk yellow; RdV 991 Zephyranthes smallii, pale yellow; RdV 992 Zephyrathes primulina, ex Makela; RdV AG = Alberto Grossi AP = Angelo Porcelli BH = Bob Hoel CP = Charles Powne DF = Dee Foster FT = Fred Thorne JB = Jim Barton JG = Judy Glattstein JJ = Jan Jeddeloh JM = Jane McGary MR = Mike Rummerfield NN = Nhu Nguyen RdV = Rimmer de Vries RW = Robert Werra SV = Sabrina Vollnhals ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php ------------------------------ End of pbs Digest, Vol 166, Issue 12 ************************************ From stnalpsoel@gmail.com Sun, 27 Nov 2016 17:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: From: Leo Martin Subject: SEED VIABILITY Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 17:07:05 -0700 Sylvia asked > Does anyone know of a list by genera, at least, of viability times for stored seed? I bought 100 seeds of Adansonia gregorii in the late 1990s. This is now renamed to something else I can't recall. It is the one baobab native to Australia, and grows in arid regions. I planted a fair amount of it when it had just arrived, gave some to friends, and forgot the remainder in a drawer. I discovered and planted what was left into a 5-gallon pot 6 years ago. They are still sprouting. One came up just a few weeks ago. Leo Martin Zone 9? Phoenix Arizona USA From mikerumm@gmail.com Sun, 27 Nov 2016 20:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: From: Mike Rummerfield Subject: ebb and flow Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 18:49:56 -0800 As hope ebbs this is one of the places I get my flow. As of today: Narcissus minor 'Cedric Morris' (bulbs bought from Rick Lupp many years ago) has opened its blossoms in the unheated hoop house; N. romieuxii 'Julia Jane' has budded and and first bloom opened today (this has always been a shy bloomer for me); Nothoscordum sellowianum opened its first sunny blossom two days before Thanksgiving, many more to come; Oxalis glabra is unfurling its bright blossoms on occasion of the few hours (literally) of sun we've had, and as quickly furls them up again, very intricately, with cloud cover, also in hoop house. Polyxena (Lachenalia) ensifolia and P. longituba are both long passed their bloom stage, but enjoying the ensifolia foliage and watching the longituba foliage elongate. Galanthus reginae-olgae is in full bloom in both sun and shade. All of the above are in pots, except the Galanthus. They get no water what-so -ever while dormant, although the Nothoscordum does seem to do better with some minimal summer moisture. We are over a month past our historical first frost date in my location in western Washington. I have to admit I find it worrisome. It has, however, allowed the Clivia to remain outdoors, under cover, for later than usual, for more winter chill. Peace to all, Mike Washington State USA From jean-moore@atlanticbb.net Sun, 27 Nov 2016 21:17:06 -0800 Message-Id: <7c755e37-492e-8970-51c5-c6713b44929c@atlanticbb.net> From: Jean Moore Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 166, Issue 13 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 22:54:34 -0500 On 11/27/2016 5:46 PM, pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote: > Send pbs mailing list submissions to pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php or, via email, send a > message with subject or body 'help' to pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post: List-Archive: > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Pacific Bulb Society SX 7 (Ceridwen Lloyd) 2. Re: Pacific > Bulb Society SX 7 (David Pilling) 3. Re: Pacific Bulb Society SX 7 > (patty allen) 4. SEED VIABILITY (Sylvia Sykora) 5. Re: SEED VIABILITY > (Jane McGary) 6. Re: SEED VIABILITY (Bill Richardson) 7. Re: SEED > VIABILITY (Jim McKenney) 8. Re: pbs Digest, Vol 166, Issue 12 (Brad > M) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 00:23:40 +1030 From: Ceridwen Lloyd > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] Pacific Bulb Society SX 7 > Message-ID: <5AB6770A-3992-41B4-A67E-D277030B7AF7@internode.on.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi, Please re-send, thanks (I only got part of it) Thanks > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 26 Nov. 2016, at 3:56 am, >> wrote: >> >> Dear PBS members, >> >> The seeds listed below have been donated by our members and >> friends to be shared. >> >> If you are interested in obtaining some of these seeds, **please >> email me PRIVATELY at:** mailto:ds429@frontier.com >> >> Please put "SX 7" in the subject line. >> >> YOU MAY REQUEST ONLY ONE PACKET OF ANY ITEM. SPECIFY THE ITEM >> NUMBER, AND LIST THOSE NUMBERS IN NUMERICAL ORDER. >> >> Depending on my time, I may or may not reply to your order. >> >> Please also include your shipping address (even if you've provided >> it previously). When you receive your seeds, you will find, >> enclosed, a statement of what you owe the PBS treasurer ($2.00 US >> per packet of #?s 894 ? 992), ($1.00 US per packet of earlier #?s) >> (+ shipping and handling). >> >> Many of you are signed up to the PBS email discussion list, which >> is free, but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society which has >> a yearly membership charge. ONLY PBS MEMBERS MAY PARTICIPATE IN >> THIS SX. If you are not a member, please consider joining so that >> you can participate in future offers such as this one. Go to: >> http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/ for membership information. >> >> Thank you to all of our generous donors! >> >> 813 Albuca aff. flaccida (a volunteer); MSW 814 Allium >> cernuum; NN 816 Bellevalia dubia ex Greece; NM 820 Camassia >> quamash; NN 821 Colchicum sp. mixed, OP; AT 824 Crocus >> goulimyi, ex Greece; NM 826 Crocus tommasinianus 'Pictus'; RdV >> 828 Dahlia 'Bishop's Children'; DK 831 Freesia laxa; ME 847 >> Iris lutescens, ex S. France; NM 848 Iris pumila, ex Georgia; NM >> 850 Massonia "echinata", ex NARGS OP; RdV 851 Massonia >> "pustulata" ex BX 337 OP; RdV 852 Massonia hyb. aff. pustulata, >> ex NARGS; RdV 853 Muscari aucheri; NM 855 Muscari >> pseudomuscari ex Iran (Pseudomuscari chalusicum); NM 858 >> Nothoscordum gracile var. macrostemon; RdV 859 Nothoscordum sp. >> ex Harry Hay; NM 860 Ornithogalum albomarginatum; MSW 864 >> Polyxena corymbosa (Lachenalia); LJ 867 Scilla hyacinthoides; LJ >> 869 Scilla melaina ex Turkey; NM 872 Scilla siberica 'Alba'; >> RdV 877 Sinningia cardinalis, ex BX; RdV >> >> >> >> 894 Acis ionica; AP 895 Albuca sp., yellow; RW 896 Allium >> myrianthum, ex Ruksans, tall, 4" drumstick, July; RdV 897 Allium >> sp., ex Chiapas; NN 898 Androcymbium r > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 17:20:13 +0000 From: David Pilling > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] Pacific Bulb Society SX 7 > Message-ID: <3afe500e-208a-75ec-ab78-bff7befc0236@davidpilling.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Hi, > > On 26/11/2016 13:53, Ceridwen Lloyd wrote: >> Please re-send, thanks (I only got part of it) > > See the list archive: > > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbslist/2016-November/gofs2ktjk93dcfk17hu6vdemm0.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > https://goo.gl/b4m51B > > From janemcgary@earthlink.net Tue, 29 Nov 2016 18:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: ebb and flow Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 17:57:45 -0800 On 11/27/2016 6:49 PM, Mike Rummerfield wrote: > We are over a month past our historical first frost date in my location in > western Washington. I have to admit I find it worrisome. It has, however, > allowed the Clivia to remain outdoors, under cover, for later than usual, > for more winter chill. > The same is true in western Oregon. Some shrubs that usually flower in late winter are in bloom now (Camellia japonica, Jasminum nudiflorum). The fall-blooming Galanthus in the garden here finished a month ago. I think the only bulbs in flower in the open garden are Narcissus cantabricus and Crocus tournefortii, and a few Cyclamen. All the other fall crocuses in the bulb house are finished, but there are a couple of colchicums open and the interesting Androcymbium europaeum. In the seed shed, more Narcissus species have re-emerged in their second year, which seems early. Despite the lack of frost I moved tender species in pots into the garage under lights, and Cyclamen cyprium is flowering nicely there. Jane McGary Portland, Oregon, USA From garak@code-garak.de Tue, 29 Nov 2016 21:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: From: Garak Subject: ebb and flow Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 05:18:12 +0100 For middle Europe, it's the other way round: after three (?) very mild Winters, we seem to be back to a normal one - which now feels unreasonable cruel with -6°C in nights end of November, i fear the worst (that would be -20°C around here) for January or February. Right now I've got the zone 8 candidates in pots in the unheated but rather bright garage. Moraea polystachya is struggling to open her flowers - she seems to need more light, so I try to put her out in the sun for a few hours whenever I can - which is limited to the weekends and the last few days, while I'm recovering from tonsillitis. My Kniphofia sarmentosa is about to produce her first inflorescence, less than 2 years from seed - I really hope the garage offers enough protection. She already had some -2°C frosts a few nights ago still on the outside, so think everything will be fine... Bomarea edulis, on the other hand, still flowers in the garage - I expected it to die down for lightless winter storage weeks ago when I stopped watering, but she insists on being beautiful.... Martin, southern Germany Am 30.11.2016 um 02:57 schrieb Jane McGary: > On 11/27/2016 6:49 PM, Mike Rummerfield wrote: >> We are over a month past our historical first frost date in my >> location in >> western Washington. I have to admit I find it worrisome. It has, >> however, >> allowed the Clivia to remain outdoors, under cover, for later than >> usual, >> for more winter chill. >> > > The same is true in western Oregon. Some shrubs that usually flower in > late winter are in bloom now (Camellia japonica, Jasminum nudiflorum). > > The fall-blooming Galanthus in the garden here finished a month ago. I > think the only bulbs in flower in the open garden are Narcissus > cantabricus and Crocus tournefortii, and a few Cyclamen. All the other > fall crocuses in the bulb house are finished, but there are a couple > of colchicums open and the interesting Androcymbium europaeum. In the > seed shed, more Narcissus species have re-emerged in their second > year, which seems early. Despite the lack of frost I moved tender > species in pots into the garage under lights, and Cyclamen cyprium is > flowering nicely there. > > Jane McGary > Portland, Oregon, USA > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki -- Martin ---------------------------------------------- Southern Germany Likely zone 7a From eez55@earthlink.net Wed, 30 Nov 2016 16:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <32297361.20488.1480550175689@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> From: Eugene Zielinski Subject: Fw: PBS website contact:Urginea maritima bulbs Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 16:56:15 -0700 (GMT-07:00) We received this message from Erika. She's wondering where she can obtain bulbs of Urginia maritime (organically produced). Judging from the area code, Erika is in Washington State, USA. Please reply directly to Erika, rather than the list. Thanks. Eugene Zielinski PBS List -----Forwarded Message----- >Subject: PBS website contact:Urginea maritima bulbs > >Hi Euguene, > >I am wondering if you can refer me to someone who may have Urginea maritima, red squill, bulbs for sale? I just say a page on your website that featured this plant. I have been looking for this for quite some time! I would need them to be cultivated in a sustainable and organic manner though. > >Thank you so much for your time, > >Sincerely, > >Erika Boynton >360-297-3403 >erika@heronbotanicals.com > > From jane@deskhenge.com Wed, 30 Nov 2016 19:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: <2c31009a-02d2-fa07-45cf-e8c8b67abb3c@deskhenge.com> From: Jane Sargent Subject: Urginea maritima Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 21:58:55 -0500 I live in Massachusetts. I had never even heard of this plant, Urginea maritima. I know quite a lot about irises and something about Narcissus and joined the pbs to find plant sources for my other garden, the one on the Yucatan peninsula in southern Mexico. I looked up photos of Urginea maritima, which show it to be a pretty spectacular plant. No way is it going to grow outdoors in Massachusetts, where tonight it is 40° F with fog and spitting cold rain. All we want to do is drink stuff that is bad for the liver and go to bed early amd hibernate until spring. That mentioned, we had a bear walking around the yard yesterday. It´´s unclear that Urginea would be happy on the Yucatan peninsula, where the ground is alkaline, most of the rain appears in the sultry summer, and where winter is pretty dry and just paradise, with the nicest people you could ever meet. I love the photos of large groups of Urginea making their tall, white flames of flowers. Where I live in Massachusetts, I make a similar effect by growing a Bugbane patch. My recommendation for gardeners who can´t grow Urginea is Bugbane, though it isn´t even a bulb. It makes very tall white spikes. Leaves can be green or black, depending on how much money you want to spend. The plant is perennial and multiplies without fuss. Perhaps it isn´t sporting to mention a plant that isn´t a bulb, but I´ll bet that very few of you grow only bulbs. Please pardon my general cluelessness about bulbs. I´ll know more next year, after I have grown some in Mexico (I love Zephyranthes) and some on my windowsill in Massachusetts. Jane On 30/11/2016 06:56 p. m., pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote: > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post: List-Archive: > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: pbs Digest, Vol 166, Issue 12 (Brad M) > 2. Re: SEED VIABILITY (Leo Martin) > 3. ebb and flow (Mike Rummerfield) > 4. Re: pbs Digest, Vol 166, Issue 13 (Jean Moore) > 5. Re: ebb and flow (Jane McGary) > 6. Re: ebb and flow (Garak) > 7. Fw: PBS website contact:Urginea maritima bulbs (Eugene Zielinski) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 22:56:19 +0000 > From: Brad M > To: "pbs@lists.ibiblio.org" > Subject: Re: [pbs] pbs Digest, Vol 166, Issue 12 > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > 934 Eucomis zambesiaca; FT > 926 Cyrtanthus brachyscyphus; > 02 Bloomeria crocea; JM > 867 Scilla hyacinthoides; LJ > > > please > > > Brad Mayger > > 43 Bluegum Drive > > MARSDEN QLD 4132 > > AUSTRALIA > > > > > ________________________________ > From: pbs on behalf of pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org > Sent: Friday, 25 November 2016 5:29 PM > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 166, Issue 12 > > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > pbs -- Pacific Bulb Society - lists.ibiblio.org Mailing Lists > lists.ibiblio.org > Pacific Bulb Society Mailing List Welcome to an Internet discussion forum on bulbs, sponsored by the Pacific Bulb Society, for people around the world. > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post: List-Archive: > Today's Topics: > > 1. Pacific Bulb Society SX 7 (ds429@frontier.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 12:26:03 -0500 > From: > To: pbs > Subject: [pbs] Pacific Bulb Society SX 7 > Message-ID: <49968.5036.bm@smtp225.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Dear PBS members, > > The seeds listed below have been donated by our members and friends to > be shared. > > If you are interested in obtaining some of these seeds, **please email > me PRIVATELY at:** > mailto:ds429@frontier.com > > Please put "SX 7" in the subject line. > > YOU MAY REQUEST ONLY ONE PACKET OF ANY ITEM. SPECIFY THE ITEM NUMBER, > AND LIST THOSE NUMBERS IN NUMERICAL ORDER. > > Depending on my time, I may or may not reply to your order. > > Please also include your shipping address (even if you've provided it > previously). When you receive your seeds, you will find, enclosed, a > statement of what you owe the PBS treasurer > ($2.00 US per packet of #?s 894 ? 992), ($1.00 US per packet of earlier #?s) > (+ shipping and handling). > > Many of you are signed up to the PBS email discussion list, which is > free, but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society which has a yearly > membership charge. ONLY PBS MEMBERS MAY PARTICIPATE IN THIS SX. If you > are not a member, please consider joining so that you can participate in > future offers such as this one. Go to: > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/ > for membership information. > > Thank you to all of our generous donors! > > 813 Albuca aff. flaccida (a volunteer); MSW > 814 Allium cernuum; NN > 816 Bellevalia dubia ex Greece; NM > 820 Camassia quamash; NN > 821 Colchicum sp. mixed, OP; AT > 824 Crocus goulimyi, ex Greece; NM > 826 Crocus tommasinianus 'Pictus'; RdV > 828 Dahlia 'Bishop's Children'; DK > 831 Freesia laxa; ME > 847 Iris lutescens, ex S. France; NM > 848 Iris pumila, ex Georgia; NM > 850 Massonia "echinata", ex NARGS OP; RdV > 851 Massonia "pustulata" ex BX 337 OP; RdV > 852 Massonia hyb. aff. pustulata, ex NARGS; RdV > 853 Muscari aucheri; NM > 855 Muscari pseudomuscari ex Iran (Pseudomuscari chalusicum); NM > 858 Nothoscordum gracile var. macrostemon; RdV > 859 Nothoscordum sp. ex Harry Hay; NM > 860 Ornithogalum albomarginatum; MSW > 864 Polyxena corymbosa (Lachenalia); LJ > 867 Scilla hyacinthoides; LJ > 869 Scilla melaina ex Turkey; NM > 872 Scilla siberica 'Alba'; RdV > 877 Sinningia cardinalis, ex BX; RdV > > > > 894 Acis ionica; AP > 895 Albuca sp., yellow; RW > 896 Allium myrianthum, ex Ruksans, tall, 4" drumstick, July; RdV > 897 Allium sp., ex Chiapas; NN > 898 Androcymbium rechingeri; AP > 899 Babiana ecklonii; DF > 900 Babiana 'Jim's Choice', ex Jim Duggan; DF > 901 Babiana pulchra, white; DF > 902 Bloomeria crocea; JM > 903 Brodiaea californica ; JB > 904 Brodiaea elegans ; JB > 905 Calochortus albus; RW > 906 Calochortus amabilis; RW > 907 Calochortus clavatus subsp. clavatus; JM > 908 Calochortus clavatus subsp. gracilis; JM > 909 Calochortus dunnii; JM > 910 Calochortus howellii; JM > 911 Calochortus longibarbatus; JM > 912 Calochortus luteus; JB > 913 Calochortus nudus; RW > 914 Calochortus obispoensis; JM > 915 Calochortus simulans; JM > 916 Calochortus superbus; JB > 917 Calochortus venustus, red; RW > 918 Calochortus venustus, typical form; NN > 919 Calochortus venustus, white; JB > 920 Calochortus venustus, white; RW > 921 Calochortus weedii var. intermedius; RW > 922 Calochortus weedii var. weedii, brown edge; RW > 923 Calochortus weedii var. weedii, yellow; RW > 924 Calydorea amabilis; NN > 925 Chlorophytum saundersiae; AG > 926 Cyrtanthus brachyscyphus; NN > 927 Delphinium cardinale; JB > 928 Dichelostemma capitatum; JB > 929 Dichelostemma ida-maia; JB > 930 Dichelostemma multiflorum ; JB > 931 Dierama pendulum; CP > 932 Dierama pulcherrimum; CP > 933 Erythronium revolutum; JJ > 934 Eucomis zambesiaca; FT > 935 Freesia laxa subsp. azurea, less hardy than F. l. subsp. laxa; MR > 936 Freesia laxa; CP > 937 Fritillaria affinis; RW > 938 Gelasine coerulea, OP; NN > 939 Gelasine elongata; AP > 940 Gladiolius carneus, pink; AP > 941 Gladiolus carinatus; AP > 942 Gladiolus equitans; AP > 943 Gladiolus pritzellii; NN > 944 Gladiolus splendens; AP > 945 Gladiolus venustus; AP > 946 Gladiolus watermeyerii; AP > 947 Habranthus robustus; RdV > 948 Habranthus tubispathus; NN > 949 Herbertia lahue; NN > 950 Herbertia pulchella; NN > 951 Hippeastrum 'Exotica', selfed; SV > 952 Iris cycloglossa; AP > 953 Ixia 'Giant'; DF > 954 Kniphofia citrina; CP > 955 Lilium chalcedonicum; AP > 956 Mirabilis longiflora; JG > 957 Moraea bellendenii; RW > 958 Moraea britteniae; AP > 959 Moraea ciliata, tall blue; RW > 960 Moraea ciliata, white; RW > 961 Moraea gigandra; DF > 962 Moraea marlothii; AP > 963 Moraea polyanthus; RW > 964 Moraea pritzeliana; AP > 965 Moraea tulbaghensis; RW > 966 Moraea vegeta; RW > 967 Moraea vespertina; RW > 968 Narcissus broussonetii; AP > 969 Narcissus rupicola; JM > 970 Nectaroscordum tripedale; AP > 971 Oziroe biflora; JM > 972 Paeonia lactiflora, single pink, white, red; RdV > 973 Romulea eximia; AP > 974 Romulea monadelpha; AP > 975 Romulea requienii; AP > 976 Sprekelia formosissima; NN > 977 Thalictrum tuberosum; JM > 978 Triteleia hyacinthina; JB > 979 Triteleia ixioides; JB > 980 Triteleia laxa; JB > 981 Tritileia clementina, OP; NN > 982 Veltheimia bracteata; DF > 983 Wachendorfia thyrsiflora; CP > 984 Zephyranthes drummondii, white; BH > 985 Zephyranthes flavissima, OP; NN > 986 Zephyranthes katheriniae, red; RdV > 987 Zephyranthes 'Krakatoa'; NN > 988 Zephyranthes magnoi, ex Telos; RdV > 989 Zephyranthes minima; RdV > 990 Zephyranthes pulchella, dk yellow; RdV > 991 Zephyranthes smallii, pale yellow; RdV > 992 Zephyrathes primulina, ex Makela; RdV > > > > > > > > AG = Alberto Grossi > AP = Angelo Porcelli > BH = Bob Hoel > CP = Charles Powne > DF = Dee Foster > FT = Fred Thorne > JB = Jim Barton > JG = Judy Glattstein > JJ = Jan Jeddeloh > JM = Jane McGary > MR = Mike Rummerfield > NN = Nhu Nguyen > RdV = Rimmer de Vries > RW = Robert Werra > SV = Sabrina Vollnhals > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > ------------------------------ > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 166, Issue 12 > ************************************ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 17:07:05 -0700 > From: Leo Martin > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: Re: [pbs] SEED VIABILITY > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Sylvia asked > >> Does anyone know of a list by genera, at least, of viability times for > stored seed? > > I bought 100 seeds of Adansonia gregorii in the late 1990s. This is now > renamed to something else I can't recall. It is the one baobab native to > Australia, and grows in arid regions. I planted a fair amount of it when it > had just arrived, gave some to friends, and forgot the remainder in a > drawer. I discovered and planted what was left into a 5-gallon pot 6 years > ago. They are still sprouting. One came up just a few weeks ago. > > Leo Martin > Zone 9? > Phoenix Arizona USA > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 18:49:56 -0800 > From: Mike Rummerfield > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: [pbs] ebb and flow > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > As hope ebbs this is one of the places I get my flow. As of today: > > Narcissus minor 'Cedric Morris' (bulbs bought from Rick Lupp many years > ago) has opened its blossoms in the unheated hoop house; > N. romieuxii 'Julia Jane' has budded and and first bloom opened today > (this has always been a shy bloomer for me); > Nothoscordum sellowianum opened its first sunny blossom two days before > Thanksgiving, many more to come; > Oxalis glabra is unfurling its bright blossoms on occasion of the few hours > (literally) of sun we've had, and as quickly furls them up again, very > intricately, with cloud cover, also in hoop house. > > Polyxena (Lachenalia) ensifolia and P. longituba are both long passed their > bloom stage, but enjoying the ensifolia foliage and watching the longituba > foliage elongate. > > Galanthus reginae-olgae is in full bloom in both sun and shade. > > All of the above are in pots, except the Galanthus. They get no water > what-so -ever while dormant, although the Nothoscordum does seem to do > better with some minimal summer moisture. > > We are over a month past our historical first frost date in my location in > western Washington. I have to admit I find it worrisome. It has, however, > allowed the Clivia to remain outdoors, under cover, for later than usual, > for more winter chill. > > Peace to all, > Mike > Washington State > USA > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 22:54:34 -0500 > From: Jean Moore > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: Re: [pbs] pbs Digest, Vol 166, Issue 13 > Message-ID: <7c755e37-492e-8970-51c5-c6713b44929c@atlanticbb.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > > > On 11/27/2016 5:46 PM, pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote: >> Send pbs mailing list submissions to pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php or, via email, send a > > message with subject or body 'help' to pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject > line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > > List-Post: > List-Archive: > Today's > Topics: > > 1. Re: Pacific Bulb Society SX 7 (Ceridwen Lloyd) 2. Re: > Pacific > Bulb Society SX 7 (David Pilling) 3. Re: Pacific Bulb Society > SX 7 > (patty allen) 4. SEED VIABILITY (Sylvia Sykora) 5. Re: SEED > VIABILITY > (Jane McGary) 6. Re: SEED VIABILITY (Bill Richardson) 7. Re: > SEED > VIABILITY (Jim McKenney) 8. Re: pbs Digest, Vol 166, Issue 12 > (Brad > M) > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 00:23:40 +1030 From: Ceridwen Lloyd > To: Pacific Bulb Society > > Subject: Re: [pbs] Pacific Bulb Society SX 7 > > Message-ID: <5AB6770A-3992-41B4-A67E-D277030B7AF7@internode.on.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi, Please re-send, > thanks (I only got part of it) Thanks > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 26 > Nov. 2016, at 3:56 am, >> > wrote: >> >> Dear PBS members, >> >> The seeds listed below have been > donated by our members and >> friends to be shared. >> >> If you are > interested in obtaining some of these seeds, **please >> email me > PRIVATELY at:** mailto:ds429@frontier.com >> >> Please put "SX 7" in the > subject line. >> >> YOU MAY REQUEST ONLY ONE PACKET OF ANY ITEM. SPECIFY > THE ITEM >> NUMBER, AND LIST THOSE NUMBERS IN NUMERICAL ORDER. >> >> > Depending on my time, I may or may not reply to your order. >> >> Please > also include your shipping address (even if you've provided >> it > previously). When you receive your seeds, you will find, >> enclosed, a > statement of what you owe the PBS treasurer ($2.00 US >> per packet of > #?s 894 ? 992), ($1.00 US per packet of earlier #?s) >> (+ shipping and > handling). >> >> Many of you are signed up to the PBS email discussion > list, which >> is free, but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society > which has >> a yearly membership charge. ONLY PBS MEMBERS MAY > PARTICIPATE IN >> THIS SX. If you are not a member, please consider > joining so that >> you can participate in future offers such as this > one. Go to: >> http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/ for membership > information. >> >> Thank you to all of our generous donors! >> >> 813 > Albuca aff. flaccida (a volunteer); MSW 814 Allium >> cernuum; NN > 816 Bellevalia dubia ex Greece; NM 820 Camassia >> quamash; NN > 821 Colchicum sp. mixed, OP; AT 824 Crocus >> goulimyi, ex Greece; > NM 826 Crocus tommasinianus 'Pictus'; RdV >> 828 Dahlia 'Bishop's > Children'; DK 831 Freesia laxa; ME 847 >> Iris lutescens, ex S. > France; NM 848 Iris pumila, ex Georgia; NM >> 850 Massonia > "echinata", ex NARGS OP; RdV 851 Massonia >> "pustulata" ex BX 337 > OP; RdV 852 Massonia hyb. aff. pustulata, >> ex NARGS; RdV 853 > Muscari aucheri; NM 855 Muscari >> pseudomuscari ex Iran > (Pseudomuscari chalusicum); NM 858 >> Nothoscordum gracile var. > macrostemon; RdV 859 Nothoscordum sp. >> ex Harry Hay; NM 860 > Ornithogalum albomarginatum; MSW 864 >> Polyxena corymbosa (Lachenalia); > LJ 867 Scilla hyacinthoides; LJ >> 869 Scilla melaina ex Turkey; > NM 872 Scilla siberica 'Alba'; >> RdV 877 Sinningia cardinalis, ex > BX; RdV >> >> >> >> 894 Acis ionica; AP 895 Albuca sp., yellow; RW > 896 Allium >> myrianthum, ex Ruksans, tall, 4" drumstick, July; RdV > 897 Allium >> sp., ex Chiapas; NN 898 Androcymbium r > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 > 17:20:13 +0000 From: David Pilling > To: > Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] > Pacific Bulb Society SX 7 > Message-ID: > <3afe500e-208a-75ec-ab78-bff7befc0236@davidpilling.com> > Content-Type: > text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Hi, > > On 26/11/2016 > 13:53, Ceridwen Lloyd wrote: >> Please re-send, thanks (I only got part > of it) > > See the list archive: > > > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbslist/2016-November/gofs2ktjk93dcfk17hu6vdemm0.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or >>> https://goo.gl/b4m51B > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 17:57:45 -0800 > From: Jane McGary > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] ebb and flow > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > On 11/27/2016 6:49 PM, Mike Rummerfield wrote: >> We are over a month past our historical first frost date in my location in >> western Washington. I have to admit I find it worrisome. It has, however, >> allowed the Clivia to remain outdoors, under cover, for later than usual, >> for more winter chill. >> > The same is true in western Oregon. Some shrubs that usually flower in > late winter are in bloom now (Camellia japonica, Jasminum nudiflorum). > > The fall-blooming Galanthus in the garden here finished a month ago. I > think the only bulbs in flower in the open garden are Narcissus > cantabricus and Crocus tournefortii, and a few Cyclamen. All the other > fall crocuses in the bulb house are finished, but there are a couple of > colchicums open and the interesting Androcymbium europaeum. In the seed > shed, more Narcissus species have re-emerged in their second year, which > seems early. Despite the lack of frost I moved tender species in pots > into the garage under lights, and Cyclamen cyprium is flowering nicely > there. > > Jane McGary > Portland, Oregon, USA > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 05:18:12 +0100 > From: Garak > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] ebb and flow > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > For middle Europe, it's the other way round: after three (?) very mild > Winters, we seem to be back to a normal one - which now feels > unreasonable cruel with -6?C in nights end of November, i fear the > worst (that would be -20?C around here) for January or February. > > Right now I've got the zone 8 candidates in pots in the unheated but > rather bright garage. Moraea polystachya is struggling to open her > flowers - she seems to need more light, so I try to put her out in the > sun for a few hours whenever I can - which is limited to the weekends > and the last few days, while I'm recovering from tonsillitis. My > Kniphofia sarmentosa is about to produce her first inflorescence, less > than 2 years from seed - I really hope the garage offers enough > protection. She already had some -2?C frosts a few nights ago still on > the outside, so think everything will be fine... > > Bomarea edulis, on the other hand, still flowers in the garage - I > expected it to die down for lightless winter storage weeks ago when I > stopped watering, but she insists on being beautiful.... > > Martin, > southern Germany > > Am 30.11.2016 um 02:57 schrieb Jane McGary: >> On 11/27/2016 6:49 PM, Mike Rummerfield wrote: >>> We are over a month past our historical first frost date in my >>> location in >>> western Washington. I have to admit I find it worrisome. It has, >>> however, >>> allowed the Clivia to remain outdoors, under cover, for later than >>> usual, >>> for more winter chill. >>> >> The same is true in western Oregon. Some shrubs that usually flower in >> late winter are in bloom now (Camellia japonica, Jasminum nudiflorum). >> >> The fall-blooming Galanthus in the garden here finished a month ago. I >> think the only bulbs in flower in the open garden are Narcissus >> cantabricus and Crocus tournefortii, and a few Cyclamen. All the other >> fall crocuses in the bulb house are finished, but there are a couple >> of colchicums open and the interesting Androcymbium europaeum. In the >> seed shed, more Narcissus species have re-emerged in their second >> year, which seems early. Despite the lack of frost I moved tender >> species in pots into the garage under lights, and Cyclamen cyprium is >> flowering nicely there. >> >> Jane McGary >> Portland, Oregon, USA >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >