Hi List, after several 3 month cold / 3 month warm cycles on wet paper (5 if i remember correctly) , I finally got some Cardiocrinum giganteum to germinate at the end of last November. They spent the winter in the house under lights, and now the leaves died down - the bulbs below are intact and bigger than I thought judgeing by the tiny leaves. Outside it's late spring, so what am I supposed to do? simulate another winter in the fridge or try to put them out in the open? How much winter will they need? another 3 months and it's August, so the next growing phase may be shorter than this last one unless I give them another stay in the house? All that speed gaining theory from Deno-Cycles sounds good on paper, but how am I supposed to ever get them in sync with the world again? -- Martin ---------------------------------------------- Southern Germany Likely zone 7a _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@mailman1.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/