From bulbexchange@gmail.com Sun, 01 Jul 2018 13:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Albert Stella Subject: BX 442 Closed Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2018 15:44:56 -0400 Packages should go out within a week. Thanks! _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Tue, 03 Jul 2018 13:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <3a2b3ca8-8658-4dee-4fd4-ce4a3cfcaeac@btinternet.com> From: youngs via pbs Subject: Recent issues of International Rock Gardener e-magazine Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 20:20:52 +0100 Apologies that  notices of  recent issues of IRG  to PBS  have been missing.  All issues of the e-magazine International Rock Gardener (IRG) may be downloaded  from this page  of SRGC: http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/index.php?log=international IRG for April 2018: International Rock Gardener, the free e-magazine on SRGC.NET reaches issue #100 Thanks to all contributors and readers for your support - we couldn't do it without you! This month learn about the  buckwheats  of  America from John P. Weiser and  get some news of The Beauty Slope, garden of ZZ Download here : http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2018Apr271524820121IRG100April.pdf IRG for May 2018 #101 For IRG 101, we are pleased to introduce Peter Tallbo from Mora in Sweden who is redesigning his garden to make it a better place to grow and propagate plants as well as becoming a more aesthetically pleasing space.  Gerrit Eijkelenboom from the Netherlands, returns with Part 2 of his report, with his wife Iep, of their travels to see orchids in Sicily. Finally this  month, we are pleased to be able to publish a new species of rosulate Viola from the Chilean based duo of John M. Watson and Ana R. Flores – /Viola farkasiana sp. nova. / Link for  May IRG : http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2018May241527184409IRG_101_May_2018.pdf IRG for  June 2018   #102 The IRG Team is pleased to be able to publish a description of a new species of peony, named for the late, great Jim (J.C.) Archibald by two of his many admirers, Jānis Rukšāns and Henrik Zetterlund. The SRGC is proud to host online the Archibald Archive to represent the work of Jim and Jennie Archibald in bringing such a wide range of plants to the attention - and gardens - of so many plant lovers worldwide. Imagine then, our delight to be given another species description by these two famous plantsmen, this time of a crocus to be named for two of our team. That Jānis and Henrik have chosen to honour them in this way with Crocus youngiorum is deeply appreciated by Margaret and Ian both for themselves and for the association with the SRGC. The third new species this month is an Andean Alstroemeria from Chile, described by John M.Watson, Ana (Anita) R. Flores with Gloria Rojas.// Link for IRG 102  of June 2018 :http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2018Jun291530286276IRG102June2018.pdf _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From johannes-ulrich-urban@t-online.de Thu, 05 Jul 2018 00:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Johannes-Ulrich Urban Subject: Christiaan van Schalkwyk Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 07:59:09 +0100 Hello Christiaan, Are you still on this list? I have read your contributors page on the WIKI and would like to correspond with you about Oxalis. You can either contact me privately or through this forum. Thank you very much Uli _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From janemcgary@earthlink.net Thu, 05 Jul 2018 12:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Regeliocyclus Iris hybrids free Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 11:20:43 -0700 I have a surplus of a couple of Regeliocyclus (Regelia x Oncocyclus) irises. One is 'Dardanus' and the other is 'George Barr', but I can't find the labels. They are similar. These rhizomes are probably too large to offer through the BX, but I would be happy to mail them to anyone who wants them. These are tall-stemmed plants, flowering in April-May, and dormant in summer, when they tolerate severe drying. They are hardy to at least 15 degrees F. IF YOU WANT ANY, PLEASE REPLY TO ME PRIVATELY, NOT TO THE LIST, AND TELL ME YOUR MAILING ADDRESS as the rhizomes will not fit through email! Thanks, Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From joycemiller843@gmail.com Thu, 05 Jul 2018 12:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <5b3e6af0.1c69fb81.da6ed.4e7b@mx.google.com> From: Joyce Miller Subject: Regeliocyclus Iris hybrids free Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 12:00:59 -0700 Good morning, I would like one of your Regeliocyclus iris. No need to mail, I can pick it up at your convenience. Is it in the ground or one of your raised beds. I have wanted to come see you for some time but things have been hectic on this end. Did you see the Oregonian feature on the GMO modified grass Sunday, The past week I have been attempting to pull a jointed grass just like that. Apparently, it migrated from my neighbors yard i.e. moving south to north. I do not think it is the GMO modified grass, but it is just as trouble some. I have always had some, but managed to keep it almost under control. But, due to my hip replacement last August with its restrictions plus the winter allowed it to reach ten feet into the southeast portion. In order to attack it, I sprayed with Spectricide which gave me some kill. The roots are solid masses from surface to about six inches deep. I am making good progress, but it will take another two weeks to get it all. Hope you are well. Do you have plans to travel this summer? Best, Joyce Miller, Gresham, OR Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Jane McGary Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2018 11:21 AM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: [pbs] Regeliocyclus Iris hybrids free I have a surplus of a couple of Regeliocyclus (Regelia x Oncocyclus) irises. One is 'Dardanus' and the other is 'George Barr', but I can't find the labels. They are similar. These rhizomes are probably too large to offer through the BX, but I would be happy to mail them to anyone who wants them. These are tall-stemmed plants, flowering in April-May, and dormant in summer, when they tolerate severe drying. They are hardy to at least 15 degrees F. IF YOU WANT ANY, PLEASE REPLY TO ME PRIVATELY, NOT TO THE LIST, AND TELL ME YOUR MAILING ADDRESS as the rhizomes will not fit through email! Thanks, Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sun, 08 Jul 2018 12:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <1305e4b5-291b-083c-f32d-fb0e0e6d252f@earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: Hyacinthoides hispanica subsp. algeriensis Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 12:14:01 -0700 I'm putting together a donation to the BX and one of the species I've removed from my bulb house is Hyacinthoides hispanica subsp. algeriensis (grown from wild-collected seed). I don't know whether to offer it because though it's smaller than the familiar H. hispanica ("the dreaded Spanish bluebell"), it could behave similarly in favorable conditions. What do you think? Is "botanical interest" worth taking the chance of distributing an invasive plant? Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sun, 08 Jul 2018 13:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Late Calochortus Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 12:19:51 -0700 The subject line refers not to the various calochorti that have died on me, but to those that flower at the end of the season. Calochortus howellii has just finished and is setting seed; although not showy, it is an elegant flower, white with dark nectary spots. Calochortus plummerae has just closed its final pale pink-lavender flower and seems to be setting seed too. The bumblebees have finally figured out how to get through the wire mesh sides of the bulb house, so there may be better seed crops in future. In full bloom are the latest two: Calochortus clavatus (brilliant yellow), and Calochortus weedii (soft yellow with copious hairs). Although I don't have as diverse a collection as I used to, this genus still manages to create interest from April into July. I encourage anyone with adequate climate or protective facility to grow them from seed; many will flower in four years from sowing. The taller ones benefit from support, either from nearby shrubs or a little bamboo stake. Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From voltaire@islandnet.com Sun, 08 Jul 2018 13:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Diane Whitehead Subject: Hyacinthoides hispanica subsp. algeriensis Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 12:59:47 -0700 There are invasive plants that can be eliminated. Spanish bluebells can’t. I vote “No" > On Jul 8, 2018, at 12:14 PM, Jane McGary wrote: > > Is "botanical interest" worth taking the chance of distributing an invasive plant? > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From andrew@avonia.com Sun, 08 Jul 2018 14:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <3766322E-5C76-4817-9131-2C0BAE82695D@avonia.com> From: Andrew Subject: Late Calochortus Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 13:30:10 -0700 ’Late’ for me means July. Calochortus weedii, a native around here in chaparral, is in bloom right now, which is later than normal. Cal. splendens finished six weeks ago. I must rely on the true natives as seed-raised Calochortus specimens have caused heartbreaks for years due to predation. Nothing has saved them. Unlike oxalis, which I do save by growing them on my roof, deeper containers are needed for them. Andrew San Diego _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From mfdgardenclub@gmail.com Sun, 08 Jul 2018 14:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Makiko Goto-Widerman Subject: Hyacinthoides hispanica subsp. algeriensis Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 13:40:26 -0700 Jane, I heard Spanish bluebells are less invasive to compare with British ones. Wish to pursue botanical interest. Makiko *Makiko Goto-Widerman* Makiko Floral Design Garden Club 501 c 3 One Market Spear Tower 36F San Francisco, CA 94105 (415) 293-8132 MFDgardenclub@gmail.com *www.MFDgardenclub.us * On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 12:59 PM, Diane Whitehead wrote: > There are invasive plants that can be eliminated. Spanish bluebells > can’t. I vote “No" > > > > On Jul 8, 2018, at 12:14 PM, Jane McGary > wrote: > > > > Is "botanical interest" worth taking the chance of distributing an > invasive plant? > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Mon, 09 Jul 2018 07:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <1701163390.1078032.1531145663528@mail.yahoo.com> From: Shawn Pollard via pbs Subject: Hyacinthoides hispanica subsp. algeriensis Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 14:14:23 +0000 (UTC) In Yuma, for example, Bermuda buttercups are well-behaved seasonal ground covers. If they're a problem, turn the water off. I would be interested in trying the bluebells. Yes! Shawn Pollard Yuma, AZ -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 7/8/18, Jane McGary wrote: Subject: [pbs] Hyacinthoides hispanica subsp. algeriensis To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Date: Sunday, July 8, 2018, 12:14 PM I'm putting together a donation to the BX and one of the species I've removed from my bulb house is Hyacinthoides hispanica subsp. algeriensis (grown from wild-collected seed). I don't know whether to offer it because though it's smaller than the familiar H. hispanica ("the dreaded Spanish bluebell"), it could behave similarly in favorable conditions. What do you think? Is "botanical interest" worth taking the chance of distributing an invasive plant? _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From msittner@mcn.org Mon, 09 Jul 2018 09:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <1d7b50fd-ab35-2811-b9c0-cc3798a9d651@mcn.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Cyrtanthus flanaganii Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 08:20:59 -0700 Although I don't seem to have a record of this I believe I started this from seed from Cameron McMaster in 2006. At least I have listed seedlings as potted up in my 2007 data base. I'm not sure what I was thinking in trying to grow it since I'm in a Mediterranean climate at a low elevation with cool dry summers and only rarely below freezing in winter. This is a summer rainfall bulb described on the wiki as "Cyrtanthus flanaganii Baker is known as the Yellow Dobo Lily. It grows in damp turf, on wet cliffs from 2000 to 3300 meters elevation. It is endemic to the Eastern Mountain Range (Drakensberg Alpine Centre) of South Africa where it withstands snow and frost. It flowers from November to December. Flowers are sweetly scented and bright yellow with a long narrow tube. Leaves are produced with the flowers and are blunt tipped." I still have bulbs, but none have ever flowered. This year only one leafed out so I was going to toss them, but when I unpotted them they all had good roots. I'm happy to send them to someone in the United States (so I don't have to deal with the postage challenges) who has the appropriate climate and conditions to try them. I'd ask that person to make a contribution to the Pacific Bulb Society. Mary Sue _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From msittner@mcn.org Mon, 09 Jul 2018 09:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Cyrtanthus flanaganii Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 08:23:51 -0700 I forgot to add only private messages please. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From msittner@mcn.org Mon, 09 Jul 2018 10:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <5baf6053-e676-192d-3416-a5d38b2527a1@mcn.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Cyrtanthus flanaganii Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 10:10:55 -0700 I have enough requests for new homes. On 7/9/2018 8:23 AM, Mary Sue Ittner wrote: > I forgot to add only private messages please. > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From neumannmaesgen@gmx.de Tue, 10 Jul 2018 00:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: =?UTF-8?Q?=22Jutta_M=C3=A4sgen=22?= Subject: Hyacinthoides hispanicus ssp algeriensis Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 08:18:28 +0200 Hyacinthoides hispanicus ssp algeriensis now is Hyacinthoides cedretorum. This is native only to Marocco! Here the link to the most rcent paper on the Genus Hyacinthoides (which is very good): [1]https://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/iapt/tax/2010/00000059/000000 01/art00008 Michael Michael Neumann Botanical Gardens of Bonn University Meckenheimer Alle 171 53115 Bonn Germany [2]http://www.botgart.uni-bonn.de/ References 1. https://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/iapt/tax/2010/00000059/00000001/art00008 2. http://www.botgart.uni-bonn.de/ _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Tue, 10 Jul 2018 07:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <0854D961-8CDA-46F9-A8DA-4DEF6E208D3C@kc.rr.com> From: James Waddick Subject: Hyacinthoides hispanica subsp. algeriensis Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 09:09:29 -0500 Dear Jane, There are many places beyond the Pacific Coast where this species is far from invasive, but a desireable small spring bulb. Leave it to the B X to mark it as possibly invasive in mild climates and the person making the request to determine if it fits their gardens. I think that the B X always welcomes variety. Jim W. On Jul 8, 2018, at 2:14 PM, Jane McGary wrote: I'm putting together a donation to the BX and one of the species I've removed from my bulb house is Hyacinthoides hispanica subsp. algeriensis (grown from wild-collected seed). I don't know whether to offer it because though it's smaller than the familiar H. hispanica ("the dreaded Spanish bluebell"), it could behave similarly in favorable conditions. What do you think? Is "botanical interest" worth taking the chance of distributing an invasive plant? Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Dr. James Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 USA Phone 816-746-1949 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From wpoulsen@pacbell.net Tue, 10 Jul 2018 15:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <86B00714-FF1F-44CD-99B2-9C3A7933C8BD@pacbell.net> From: Lee Poulsen Subject: Hyacinthoides hispanica subsp. algeriensis Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 15:04:11 -0700 Are they invasive in every climate? PBS members live in an incredibly wide range of climates. I’m not sure I know of any species that is devilishly invasive in such a wide range of climates. For example, for me the ineliminatable invasive I fear the most is Nothoscordum inodorum in my climate. Literally the only way I can get a halfway decent chance of eliminating it from the ground is by digging up nearly a cubic foot of soil all around it and throwing all of it away in the trash, and never letting any flower head set seed until I do. In pots it survives whether it’s a winter-growing summer-dry pot or a summer-growing winter-dry pot. In pots I have to dump out the pot in a basin, separate out the plant roots or bulb from every bit of the potting soil, and then dump the entire pot of soil mix in the trash. But it does have a nice scent and I hear that it’s not a problem in climates where that have freezing temperatures every winter. —Lee > > There are invasive plants that can be eliminated. Spanish bluebells can’t. I vote “No" > > >> On Jul 8, 2018, at 12:14 PM, Jane McGary wrote: >> >> Is "botanical interest" worth taking the chance of distributing an invasive plant? >> > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From g_goldsmith@hotmail.com Tue, 10 Jul 2018 21:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: George Goldsmith Subject: California Peonies Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 03:56:16 +0000 I'm writing to see if anyone on the list has had experience growing either of the two California native peonies, Paeonia brownii or Paeonia californica. If so, can you provide any guidance on growing these from seed? Also, if anyone is aware of sources for seeds for these two plants, that would be helpful also. Thank you. George Goldsmith (33.998702, -117.797542) _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From mfdgardenclub@gmail.com Tue, 10 Jul 2018 21:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Makiko Goto-Widerman Subject: California Peonies Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 21:03:35 -0700 George, Yes, I used to grow Peony californica from seeds in Southern California. It was quite easy to germinate, but I lost them when I moved to Northern California. They are happy to grow in decomposed granite (dg). No water is required during hot and dry summer time. They started blooming around Christmas to January in our area. Makiko *Makiko Goto-Widerman* Makiko Floral Design Garden Club 501 c 3 One Market Spear Tower 36F San Francisco, CA 94105 (415) 293-8132 MFDgardenclub@gmail.com *www.MFDgardenclub.us * On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 8:56 PM, George Goldsmith wrote: > I'm writing to see if anyone on the list has had experience growing either > of the two California native peonies, Paeonia brownii or Paeonia > californica. If so, can you provide any guidance on growing these from > seed? Also, if anyone is aware of sources for seeds for these two plants, > that would be helpful also. Thank you. > > George Goldsmith > (33.998702, -117.797542) > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From amcdeubner@gmail.com Tue, 10 Jul 2018 22:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Anne McNeil Subject: California Peonies Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 21:41:04 -0700 Hi George, I have some Paeonia brownii plants grown from seed that I just planted in a pot that was sunk in the earth, the way I start all peony seeds. They came up the spring after I planted them in the summer. I live in Siskiyou County and there are many plants growing at the Living Memorial Sculpture Garden, a fabulous memorial to Veterans, especially ones from the Vietnam War, on Hwy 97 just outside of Weed, CA. There are many more plants growing there than in the surrounding countryside and I collected a few seeds. Our climate freezes during the winter and is hot with little rain in the summer. I am careful not to overwater them though they do seem to enjoy a little more water than they get in the wild. They have not bloomed yet and it has been 2 years since I planted them. I am on a rainier side of the mountain and get more snow. Where they thrive is high desert that freezes in the winter and bakes in the summer. They bloom in late spring, early summer in the wild and the seeds are ready in the hot part of the summer. Best to you, Anne On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 9:03 PM, Makiko Goto-Widerman < mfdgardenclub@gmail.com> wrote: > George, > > Yes, I used to grow Peony californica from seeds in Southern California. > It was quite easy to germinate, but I lost them when I moved to Northern > California. They are happy to grow in decomposed granite (dg). No water is > required during hot and dry summer time. They started blooming around > Christmas to January in our area. > > Makiko > > *Makiko Goto-Widerman* > Makiko Floral Design Garden Club 501 c 3 > One Market Spear Tower 36F > San Francisco, CA 94105 > (415) 293-8132 > MFDgardenclub@gmail.com > *www.MFDgardenclub.us * > > > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 8:56 PM, George Goldsmith > > wrote: > > > I'm writing to see if anyone on the list has had experience growing > either > > of the two California native peonies, Paeonia brownii or Paeonia > > californica. If so, can you provide any guidance on growing these from > > seed? Also, if anyone is aware of sources for seeds for these two > plants, > > that would be helpful also. Thank you. > > > > George Goldsmith > > (33.998702, -117.797542) > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jwickham@sbcglobal.net Tue, 10 Jul 2018 22:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1368802413.2060375.1531284548337@mail.yahoo.com> From: John Wickham Subject: California Peonies Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 04:49:08 +0000 (UTC) George, Seeds require treatment. They have a very tough outer coat that should be nicked to allow for better germination. There are other treatments that may be effective too. If you can't find seed, Las Pilitas in Santa Margarita sells plants. John Wickham On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 8:56 PM, George Goldsmith wrote: I'm writing to see if anyone on the list has had experience growing either of the two California native peonies, Paeonia brownii or Paeonia californica.  If so, can you provide any guidance on growing these from seed?  Also, if anyone is aware of sources for seeds for these two plants, that would be helpful also.  Thank you. George Goldsmith (33.998702, -117.797542) _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From johannes-ulrich-urban@t-online.de Wed, 11 Jul 2018 00:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <8CA9AC0E-D760-4F19-9ADA-48A85C5A038D@t-online.de> From: Johannes-Ulrich Urban Subject: Oxalis Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 08:03:49 +0100 Dear All, Having unpotted my Oxalis a short time ago, there was a very good harvest of bulbs this year. It was the first season of the collection in my new home in Portugal in the open garden in full sun. The plants stayed green for much longer than they did in the greenhouse in Germany before I moved. This encourages me to extend the collection. Is there anybody out there who would be willing to exchange some Oxalis with me? We can arrange this privately, I am happy to refund postage and would also pay for plants if I have nothing of interest to offer in exchange. I have a list of available Oxalis that I can send. I am particularly interested in the following Oxalis: densa, MV 4991, glabra, helicoides very much so, luteola MV 4960B, MV 6359, luteola maculata, meisneri. MV stands for the collection numbers of the late Michael Vassar. In one of my bulb books they mention „Oxalis aquatica“ apparently growing like a small waterlily with leaves and flowers floating on the water. Does this really exist in Oxalis? That would be the ultimate Oxalis to grow! Looking forward to hearing from you, bye for today Uli _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From joseph.andrew.gorman@gmail.com Wed, 11 Jul 2018 05:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Joe G Subject: California Peonies Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 08:05:15 -0400 The treatment I've been using (for species tree peonies) is to remove the radicle end of the seed coat (carefully!), cold moist stratify until the radicle forms, then soaking in giberillic acid and sowing the seeds normally. I've read about folks simply scarifying, soaking in GA-3, and stratifying, as well as all other manner of pretreatment (soaking in rubbing alcohol, soaking in indoleacetic acid, anaerobic fermentation, maybe a combination of all of the above!) -joe On Wed, Jul 11, 2018, 12:49 AM John Wickham wrote: > George, > Seeds require treatment. They have a very tough outer coat that should be > nicked to allow for better germination. There are other treatments that may > be effective too. > > If you can't find seed, Las Pilitas in Santa Margarita sells plants. > John Wickham > > On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 8:56 PM, George Goldsmith < > g_goldsmith@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > I'm writing to see if anyone on the list has had experience growing > either of the two California native peonies, Paeonia brownii or Paeonia > californica. If so, can you provide any guidance on growing these from > seed? Also, if anyone is aware of sources for seeds for these two plants, > that would be helpful also. Thank you. > > George Goldsmith > (33.998702, -117.797542) > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From joseph.andrew.gorman@gmail.com Wed, 11 Jul 2018 05:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Joe G Subject: Oxalis Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 08:13:44 -0400 I don't have any oxalis to trade, but I was intrigued by the aquatic oxalis and found this while searching: http://www.biodiversityexplorer.org/plants/oxalidaceae/oxalis_disticha.htm -joe On Jul 11, 2018 3:03 AM, "Johannes-Ulrich Urban" < johannes-ulrich-urban@t-online.de> wrote: Dear All, Having unpotted my Oxalis a short time ago, there was a very good harvest of bulbs this year. It was the first season of the collection in my new home in Portugal in the open garden in full sun. The plants stayed green for much longer than they did in the greenhouse in Germany before I moved. This encourages me to extend the collection. Is there anybody out there who would be willing to exchange some Oxalis with me? We can arrange this privately, I am happy to refund postage and would also pay for plants if I have nothing of interest to offer in exchange. I have a list of available Oxalis that I can send. I am particularly interested in the following Oxalis: densa, MV 4991, glabra, helicoides very much so, luteola MV 4960B, MV 6359, luteola maculata, meisneri. MV stands for the collection numbers of the late Michael Vassar. In one of my bulb books they mention „Oxalis aquatica“ apparently growing like a small waterlily with leaves and flowers floating on the water. Does this really exist in Oxalis? That would be the ultimate Oxalis to grow! Looking forward to hearing from you, bye for today Uli _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From g_goldsmith@hotmail.com Wed, 11 Jul 2018 07:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: George Goldsmith Subject: California Peonies Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 13:46:09 +0000 Thank you for your reply, Makiko. Being new to the propagation of geophytes, I'm a bit wary when it's mentioned that something will grow in DG, but I'll take your word for it. Given that there is no organic material, do California peonies require fertilizer throughout the year? If so, is there a particular kind? Thanks again. George -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net] On Behalf Of Makiko Goto-Widerman Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 9:04 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] California Peonies George, Yes, I used to grow Peony californica from seeds in Southern California. It was quite easy to germinate, but I lost them when I moved to Northern California. They are happy to grow in decomposed granite (dg). No water is required during hot and dry summer time. They started blooming around Christmas to January in our area. Makiko *Makiko Goto-Widerman* Makiko Floral Design Garden Club 501 c 3 One Market Spear Tower 36F San Francisco, CA 94105 (415) 293-8132 MFDgardenclub@gmail.com *www.MFDgardenclub.us * On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 8:56 PM, George Goldsmith wrote: > I'm writing to see if anyone on the list has had experience growing > either of the two California native peonies, Paeonia brownii or > Paeonia californica. If so, can you provide any guidance on growing > these from seed? Also, if anyone is aware of sources for seeds for > these two plants, that would be helpful also. Thank you. > > George Goldsmith > (33.998702, -117.797542) > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From g_goldsmith@hotmail.com Wed, 11 Jul 2018 07:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: George Goldsmith Subject: California Peonies Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 13:57:53 +0000 Thank you for your reply, Anne. I can't imagine seeing these it the wild. It must be fascinating. Can you describe the planting medium that you use in the sunken pots? Also, is there a particular planting depth, and is there any top covering that should be used? Finally, do you fertilize the plants during the year? Thank you again for your help. George PS - I took a look at the Living Memorial near Weed. It is remarkable, and one of those things that dulls the pain that many vets felt on our return after the Vietnam war. Thank you for mentioning it. -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net] On Behalf Of Anne McNeil Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 9:41 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] California Peonies Hi George, I have some Paeonia brownii plants grown from seed that I just planted in a pot that was sunk in the earth, the way I start all peony seeds. They came up the spring after I planted them in the summer. I live in Siskiyou County and there are many plants growing at the Living Memorial Sculpture Garden, a fabulous memorial to Veterans, especially ones from the Vietnam War, on Hwy 97 just outside of Weed, CA. There are many more plants growing there than in the surrounding countryside and I collected a few seeds. Our climate freezes during the winter and is hot with little rain in the summer. I am careful not to overwater them though they do seem to enjoy a little more water than they get in the wild. They have not bloomed yet and it has been 2 years since I planted them. I am on a rainier side of the mountain and get more snow. Where they thrive is high desert that freezes in the winter and bakes in the summer. They bloom in late spring, early summer in the wild and the seeds are ready in the hot part of the summer. Best to you, Anne On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 9:03 PM, Makiko Goto-Widerman < mfdgardenclub@gmail.com> wrote: > George, > > Yes, I used to grow Peony californica from seeds in Southern California. > It was quite easy to germinate, but I lost them when I moved to > Northern California. They are happy to grow in decomposed granite (dg). No water is > required during hot and dry summer time. They started blooming around > Christmas to January in our area. > > Makiko > > *Makiko Goto-Widerman* > Makiko Floral Design Garden Club 501 c 3 One Market Spear Tower 36F > San Francisco, CA 94105 > (415) 293-8132 > MFDgardenclub@gmail.com > *www.MFDgardenclub.us * > > > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 8:56 PM, George Goldsmith > > > wrote: > > > I'm writing to see if anyone on the list has had experience growing > either > > of the two California native peonies, Paeonia brownii or Paeonia > > californica. If so, can you provide any guidance on growing these > > from seed? Also, if anyone is aware of sources for seeds for these > > two > plants, > > that would be helpful also. Thank you. > > > > George Goldsmith > > (33.998702, -117.797542) > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From g_goldsmith@hotmail.com Wed, 11 Jul 2018 07:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: George Goldsmith Subject: California Peonies Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 14:00:16 +0000 John, Thank you so much, especially your mention of plants being available at Las Pilitas. This might be the best way to move forward. I appreciate your help. George -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net] On Behalf Of John Wickham Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 9:49 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] California Peonies George, Seeds require treatment. They have a very tough outer coat that should be nicked to allow for better germination. There are other treatments that may be effective too. If you can't find seed, Las Pilitas in Santa Margarita sells plants. John Wickham On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 8:56 PM, George Goldsmith wrote: I'm writing to see if anyone on the list has had experience growing either of the two California native peonies, Paeonia brownii or Paeonia californica.  If so, can you provide any guidance on growing these from seed?  Also, if anyone is aware of sources for seeds for these two plants, that would be helpful also.  Thank you. George Goldsmith (33.998702, -117.797542) _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From g_goldsmith@hotmail.com Wed, 11 Jul 2018 07:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: George Goldsmith Subject: California Peonies Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 14:02:50 +0000 Joe, Thank you for this thorough description for addressing seed treatment. I appreciate your help and the time you took to pen your reply. Thanks again. George -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net] On Behalf Of Joe G Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 5:05 AM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] California Peonies The treatment I've been using (for species tree peonies) is to remove the radicle end of the seed coat (carefully!), cold moist stratify until the radicle forms, then soaking in giberillic acid and sowing the seeds normally. I've read about folks simply scarifying, soaking in GA-3, and stratifying, as well as all other manner of pretreatment (soaking in rubbing alcohol, soaking in indoleacetic acid, anaerobic fermentation, maybe a combination of all of the above!) -joe On Wed, Jul 11, 2018, 12:49 AM John Wickham wrote: > George, > Seeds require treatment. They have a very tough outer coat that should > be nicked to allow for better germination. There are other treatments > that may be effective too. > > If you can't find seed, Las Pilitas in Santa Margarita sells plants. > John Wickham > > On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 8:56 PM, George Goldsmith < > g_goldsmith@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > I'm writing to see if anyone on the list has had experience growing > either of the two California native peonies, Paeonia brownii or > Paeonia californica. If so, can you provide any guidance on growing > these from seed? Also, if anyone is aware of sources for seeds for > these two plants, that would be helpful also. Thank you. > > George Goldsmith > (33.998702, -117.797542) > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From amcdeubner@gmail.com Wed, 11 Jul 2018 08:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Anne McNeil Subject: California Peonies Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 07:32:15 -0700 Hi George, I sink the pots so the soil in the pot is at the same level as the soil in the surrounding ground with the pot lip sticking up an inch or two so I can water well. I use a peat mixed with any potting soil and a little sand to facilitate drainage. I have a volcanic silty sand surrounding the pots (my poor volcanic soil) so the seeds never are sitting in water. The mixture doesn't seem as important as keeping the seeds in the ground. If I didn't have freezing temps I would put the seeds in the freezer for a 6-8 weeks after they are moist. That breaks down the seed coat as well as the heat in the summer before. I was surprised how easily they all sprouted and their survival. These plants grow in the harsh high desert conditions with high winds, hot summers with cool nights and freezing with some snow. They are hardy beings. The Sculpture Garden is an amazing place in an amazing setting. If the winds are right Kokopelli's flute plays. The artist lives on site. When one visits you are usually the only person around and it is all the more powerful. Anne On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 7:02 AM, George Goldsmith wrote: > Joe, > > Thank you for this thorough description for addressing seed treatment. I > appreciate your help and the time you took to pen your reply. Thanks again. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net] On Behalf Of > Joe G > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 5:05 AM > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] California Peonies > > The treatment I've been using (for species tree peonies) is to remove the > radicle end of the seed coat (carefully!), cold moist stratify until the > radicle forms, then soaking in giberillic acid and sowing the seeds > normally. I've read about folks simply scarifying, soaking in GA-3, and > stratifying, as well as all other manner of pretreatment (soaking in > rubbing alcohol, soaking in indoleacetic acid, anaerobic fermentation, > maybe a combination of all of the above!) > > -joe > > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018, 12:49 AM John Wickham > wrote: > > > George, > > Seeds require treatment. They have a very tough outer coat that should > > be nicked to allow for better germination. There are other treatments > > that may be effective too. > > > > If you can't find seed, Las Pilitas in Santa Margarita sells plants. > > John Wickham > > > > On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 8:56 PM, George Goldsmith < > > g_goldsmith@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > I'm writing to see if anyone on the list has had experience growing > > either of the two California native peonies, Paeonia brownii or > > Paeonia californica. If so, can you provide any guidance on growing > > these from seed? Also, if anyone is aware of sources for seeds for > > these two plants, that would be helpful also. Thank you. > > > > George Goldsmith > > (33.998702, -117.797542) > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From amcdeubner@gmail.com Wed, 11 Jul 2018 08:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Anne McNeil Subject: California Peonies Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 07:33:34 -0700 Oh I forgot to address some of your questions, no fertilizer, no top covering, I bury the seeds about two inches. On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 7:32 AM, Anne McNeil wrote: > Hi George, > I sink the pots so the soil in the pot is at the same level as the soil in > the surrounding ground with the pot lip sticking up an inch or two so I can > water well. I use a peat mixed with any potting soil and a little sand to > facilitate drainage. I have a volcanic silty sand surrounding the pots (my > poor volcanic soil) so the seeds never are sitting in water. The mixture > doesn't seem as important as keeping the seeds in the ground. If I didn't > have freezing temps I would put the seeds in the freezer for a 6-8 weeks > after they are moist. That breaks down the seed coat as well as the heat in > the summer before. I was surprised how easily they all sprouted and their > survival. These plants grow in the harsh high desert conditions with high > winds, hot summers with cool nights and freezing with some snow. They are > hardy beings. > > The Sculpture Garden is an amazing place in an amazing setting. If the > winds are right Kokopelli's flute plays. The artist lives on site. When one > visits you are usually the only person around and it is all the more > powerful. > > Anne > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 7:02 AM, George Goldsmith > wrote: > >> Joe, >> >> Thank you for this thorough description for addressing seed treatment. I >> appreciate your help and the time you took to pen your reply. Thanks again. >> >> George >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net] On Behalf Of >> Joe G >> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 5:05 AM >> To: Pacific Bulb Society >> Subject: Re: [pbs] California Peonies >> >> The treatment I've been using (for species tree peonies) is to remove the >> radicle end of the seed coat (carefully!), cold moist stratify until the >> radicle forms, then soaking in giberillic acid and sowing the seeds >> normally. I've read about folks simply scarifying, soaking in GA-3, and >> stratifying, as well as all other manner of pretreatment (soaking in >> rubbing alcohol, soaking in indoleacetic acid, anaerobic fermentation, >> maybe a combination of all of the above!) >> >> -joe >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018, 12:49 AM John Wickham >> wrote: >> >> > George, >> > Seeds require treatment. They have a very tough outer coat that should >> > be nicked to allow for better germination. There are other treatments >> > that may be effective too. >> > >> > If you can't find seed, Las Pilitas in Santa Margarita sells plants. >> > John Wickham >> > >> > On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 8:56 PM, George Goldsmith < >> > g_goldsmith@hotmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > >> > I'm writing to see if anyone on the list has had experience growing >> > either of the two California native peonies, Paeonia brownii or >> > Paeonia californica. If so, can you provide any guidance on growing >> > these from seed? Also, if anyone is aware of sources for seeds for >> > these two plants, that would be helpful also. Thank you. >> > >> > George Goldsmith >> > (33.998702, -117.797542) >> > _______________________________________________ >> > pbs mailing list >> > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > pbs mailing list >> > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs >> > > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From johannes-ulrich-urban@t-online.de Wed, 11 Jul 2018 08:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <24bb3d8b-0ab5-bb9d-3a44-b19ca04b4b64@t-online.de> From: Johannes Ulrich Urban Subject: Oxalis disticha Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 15:56:43 +0100 Hello Joe, Thank you very much for your research. I was not aware that there are Oxalis growing in seasonal pools, so this is the aquatic species I was reading about. I am aways fascinated by plants that can grow in between extremes, under water at some time and bone dry during dormancy. But I do not think that the blue flower growing with it is a Romulea. Romuleas have single Crocus-like flowers not scapes of tiny flowers like the ones on the picture. Does anybody know what the blue flower is? When I google Romulea aquatica I find these pictures, and also one of Oxalis disticha with it but I do not see these flowers (which are Romuleas for me) on your picture. https://www.google.com/search?q=romulea+aquatica&client=firefox-b&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiW9MqtppfcAhXMaxQKHUycD4AQsAQIMg&biw=1280&bih=887 So already three different aquatic bulbs. bye and thanks again Uli _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From othonna@gmail.com Wed, 11 Jul 2018 09:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Hannon Subject: Paeonia californica Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 08:40:04 -0700 When I worked at Rancho Santa Ana Botanic Garden we had a crop of P. californica. I remember the seeds germinated like kidney beans without any treatment, but getting them through their leafless summer dormancy in pots was challenging. Watering lightly about every two weeks helped during this period; seedlings kept totally dry perished. The mix was well-drained with plenty of sand and pumice and a low % of organic matter. Still, after a few years we ended up with only one plant in a 1x1x1 foot wooden box. Recently I planted fresh seeds of P. cambessedesii with zero germination over winter. The seeds appear to have a harder coat that the CA native species. Maybe they need scarification as someone else mentioned? Dylan *"The greatest service which can be rendered any country is to add an useful plant to its culture…" --**Thomas Jefferson* _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 11 Jul 2018 10:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <38_fJH6Z-W9dZn8um9NBQQoap5iPcx0xIkid5HBqNrEqlUH20EDozTRspFy_EUFu1u2X4bgWxl6lrMBOTM8JU6QArvX_T5wGhlxAEhL_9nk=@protonmail.ch> From: oooOIOooo via pbs Subject: Hyacinthoides hispanica subsp. algeriensis Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:27:48 -0400 I planted healthy bulbs of the common garden Hyacinthodes one fall. They struggled to send up small deformed leaves the following spring, but no flowers. The leaves soon withered and I never saw them again. Many plants feared elsewhere are never going to become invasive pests in central Arizona. A few winter-growing annuals have become pests in the wild here. I agree with the thought of offering potentially invasive plants with a disclaimer. Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA Zone 9? ​Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.​ _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From kathleen.sayce@gmail.com Wed, 11 Jul 2018 11:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <21B26121-46B6-4664-8225-8B7719ED10FD@gmail.com> From: Kathleen Sayce Subject: Allium with bulbils Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 10:21:53 -0700 Surveying a coastal prairie that spent decades as a dairy and then cattle ranch, I found this allium last summer. 18-24 inches tall, no flowers, just a head of bulbils, about 1.5-2 inches across. Is there a way to identify this plant to species? It is now owned by a conservation group, which plans to remove it over the next few years. Kathleen _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From teck11@embarqmail.com Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <001101d41946$f9428b80$ebc7a280$@embarqmail.com> From: "Tim Eck" Subject: Allium with bulbils Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 14:42:50 -0400 I don't see a link but it sounds like Egyptian or walking onions. Tim Eck "Time is nature's way of preventing everything from happening at once." Anon. > -----Original Message----- > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net] On Behalf Of > Kathleen Sayce > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 1:22 PM > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: [pbs] Allium with bulbils > > Surveying a coastal prairie that spent decades as a dairy and then cattle > ranch, I found this allium last summer. 18-24 inches tall, no flowers, just a > head of bulbils, about 1.5-2 inches across. Is there a way to identify this plant > to species? It is now owned by a conservation group, which plans to remove it > over the next few years. > > Kathleen > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From sun-coast-pearl@telus.net Wed, 11 Jul 2018 15:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <510b16b1abd42a41a8350951d35c71c3@mtlp000083> From: sun-coast-pearl Subject: Alliums Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 13:52:49 -0700 The only allium I know of like that is the Egyptian walking onion. I grew these for years, and they are a top set onion with only bulbiles. The only coastal "prairie" I know of is the endangered garry oak ecosystem in BC. This coastal dryland has 2 wild alliums that I know of  -- hookers onion,  and the edible nodding onion (A. ceruum). Both of these have flowering umbrels. California has several wild onions, but I have not seen any of these in the wild. Jo CanningVancouver IslandSent from my Galaxy Tab® A _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From lesleykayrichardson@gmail.com Wed, 11 Jul 2018 16:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Lesley Richardson Subject: Alliums Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 15:28:06 -0700 I am currently growing the edible, nodding onion on the side of a mountain in a very cold winter, specialized, Mediterranean climate. All the bulbs survived their first winter, encased in a chicken wire cage to keep the numerous rodents out. I am also growing Garry oaks, but they have had a hard time surviving. I have three decent ones left now. But those appear to be making it after 4 years. I was hoping to establish an oak woodland. Will get more oaks in another year. Lesley On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 1:52 PM, sun-coast-pearl wrote: > The only allium I know of like that is the Egyptian walking onion. I grew > these for years, and they are a top set onion with only bulbiles. The only > coastal "prairie" I know of is the endangered garry oak ecosystem in BC. > This coastal dryland has 2 wild alliums that I know of -- hookers onion, > and the edible nodding onion (A. ceruum). Both of these have flowering > umbrels. California has several wild onions, but I have not seen any of > these in the wild. Jo CanningVancouver IslandSent from my Galaxy Tab® A > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From mfdgardenclub@gmail.com Wed, 11 Jul 2018 17:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Makiko Goto-Widerman Subject: Paeonia californica Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 16:17:43 -0700 Dylan, I agree that P. californica is difficult to grow. It was much easier to germinate to compare with the Mediterranean peonies which needs two years to germinate, but it is challenging to go through to flowering stage. Their tubular type root will keep water during hot summer. *Makiko Goto-Widerman* Makiko Floral Design Garden Club 501 c 3 One Market Spear Tower 36F San Francisco, CA 94105 (415) 293-8132 MFDgardenclub@gmail.com *www.MFDgardenclub.us * On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 8:40 AM, Hannon wrote: > When I worked at Rancho Santa Ana Botanic Garden we had a crop of P. > californica. I remember the seeds germinated like kidney beans without any > treatment, but getting them through their leafless summer dormancy in pots > was challenging. Watering lightly about every two weeks helped during this > period; seedlings kept totally dry perished. The mix was well-drained with > plenty of sand and pumice and a low % of organic matter. Still, after a few > years we ended up with only one plant in a 1x1x1 foot wooden box. > > Recently I planted fresh seeds of P. cambessedesii with zero germination > over winter. The seeds appear to have a harder coat that the CA native > species. Maybe they need scarification as someone else mentioned? > > Dylan > > *"The greatest service which can be rendered any country is to add an > useful plant to its culture…" --**Thomas Jefferson* > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From arcangelow@gmail.com Wed, 11 Jul 2018 18:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: arcangelo wessells Subject: Alliums with bulbils Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 18:14:54 -0700 Hi Kathleen, I don’t know where your coastal prairie is, but it sounds like Allium vineale. On Mare Island, Vallejo at the north end of San Francisco Bay, this Allium grows in degraded scrub adjacent to land that had been grazed by cattle for decades. Arcangelo Wessells Vallejo Surveying a coastal prairie that spent decades as a dairy and then cattle ranch, I found this allium last summer. 18-24 inches tall, no flowers, just a head of bulbils, about 1.5-2 inches across. Is there a way to identify this plant to species? It is now owned by a conservation group, which plans to remove it over the next few years. Kathleen _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From vkmyrick@pacbell.net Wed, 11 Jul 2018 19:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <509DC4F0-32DE-4B11-9EEB-63C9A22BCDDB@pacbell.net> From: Jack and Val Subject: Allium with bulbils Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 18:57:57 -0700 My regular garlic has “self-seeded” around the garden via its head of bulbils. I just clipped them all off yesterday, trying to put an end to this activity. Val Myrick Sonora, CA - Sierra Foothills 3 hours E. of San Francisco On Jul 11, 2018, at 11:42 AM, Tim Eck wrote: > I don't see a link but it sounds like Egyptian or walking onions. > > Tim Eck > > "Time is nature's way of preventing everything from happening at once." > Anon. > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net] On Behalf Of >> Kathleen Sayce >> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 1:22 PM >> To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> Subject: [pbs] Allium with bulbils >> >> Surveying a coastal prairie that spent decades as a dairy and then cattle >> ranch, I found this allium last summer. 18-24 inches tall, no flowers, > just a >> head of bulbils, about 1.5-2 inches across. Is there a way to identify > this plant >> to species? It is now owned by a conservation group, which plans to remove > it >> over the next few years. >> >> Kathleen >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From tanikdoherty@gmail.com Wed, 11 Jul 2018 21:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Nikki Doherty Subject: Vancouver titan arum Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 20:27:01 -0700 For those near me, Vancouver's Bloedel Conservatory has a corpse flower that will open any day! https://vancouver.ca/parks-recreation-culture/titan-arum.aspx?utm_campaign=corpse-flower&utm_medium=Vanity&utm_source=corpse-flower_Vanity Nikki Doherty On Wed, Jul 11, 2018, 4:18 PM , wrote: > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post: List-Archive: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: California Peonies (Anne McNeil) > 2. Re: California Peonies (Anne McNeil) > 3. Oxalis disticha (Johannes Ulrich Urban) > 4. Re: Paeonia californica (Hannon) > 5. Re: Hyacinthoides hispanica subsp. algeriensis (oooOIOooo) > 6. Allium with bulbils (Kathleen Sayce) > 7. Re: Allium with bulbils (Tim Eck) > 8. Alliums (sun-coast-pearl) > 9. Re: Alliums (Lesley Richardson) > 10. Re: Paeonia californica (Makiko Goto-Widerman) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 07:32:15 -0700 > From: Anne McNeil > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] California Peonies > Message-ID: > pg@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hi George, > I sink the pots so the soil in the pot is at the same level as the soil in > the surrounding ground with the pot lip sticking up an inch or two so I can > water well. I use a peat mixed with any potting soil and a little sand to > facilitate drainage. I have a volcanic silty sand surrounding the pots (my > poor volcanic soil) so the seeds never are sitting in water. The mixture > doesn't seem as important as keeping the seeds in the ground. If I didn't > have freezing temps I would put the seeds in the freezer for a 6-8 weeks > after they are moist. That breaks down the seed coat as well as the heat in > the summer before. I was surprised how easily they all sprouted and their > survival. These plants grow in the harsh high desert conditions with high > winds, hot summers with cool nights and freezing with some snow. They are > hardy beings. > > The Sculpture Garden is an amazing place in an amazing setting. If the > winds are right Kokopelli's flute plays. The artist lives on site. When one > visits you are usually the only person around and it is all the more > powerful. > > Anne > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 7:02 AM, George Goldsmith > > wrote: > > > Joe, > > > > Thank you for this thorough description for addressing seed treatment. I > > appreciate your help and the time you took to pen your reply. Thanks > again. > > > > George > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net] On Behalf Of > > Joe G > > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 5:05 AM > > To: Pacific Bulb Society > > Subject: Re: [pbs] California Peonies > > > > The treatment I've been using (for species tree peonies) is to remove the > > radicle end of the seed coat (carefully!), cold moist stratify until the > > radicle forms, then soaking in giberillic acid and sowing the seeds > > normally. I've read about folks simply scarifying, soaking in GA-3, and > > stratifying, as well as all other manner of pretreatment (soaking in > > rubbing alcohol, soaking in indoleacetic acid, anaerobic fermentation, > > maybe a combination of all of the above!) > > > > -joe > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018, 12:49 AM John Wickham > > wrote: > > > > > George, > > > Seeds require treatment. They have a very tough outer coat that should > > > be nicked to allow for better germination. There are other treatments > > > that may be effective too. > > > > > > If you can't find seed, Las Pilitas in Santa Margarita sells plants. > > > John Wickham > > > > > > On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 8:56 PM, George Goldsmith < > > > g_goldsmith@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I'm writing to see if anyone on the list has had experience growing > > > either of the two California native peonies, Paeonia brownii or > > > Paeonia californica. If so, can you provide any guidance on growing > > > these from seed? Also, if anyone is aware of sources for seeds for > > > these two plants, that would be helpful also. Thank you. > > > > > > George Goldsmith > > > (33.998702, -117.797542) > > > _______________________________________________ > > > pbs mailing list > > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > pbs mailing list > > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 07:33:34 -0700 > From: Anne McNeil > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] California Peonies > Message-ID: > < > CAHaZp6F86AOu+kOOyZgrm4EZnR3vTF4kCNkr1zMiNxMNrHPn3Q@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Oh I forgot to address some of your questions, no fertilizer, no top > covering, I bury the seeds about two inches. > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 7:32 AM, Anne McNeil wrote: > > > Hi George, > > I sink the pots so the soil in the pot is at the same level as the soil > in > > the surrounding ground with the pot lip sticking up an inch or two so I > can > > water well. I use a peat mixed with any potting soil and a little sand to > > facilitate drainage. I have a volcanic silty sand surrounding the pots > (my > > poor volcanic soil) so the seeds never are sitting in water. The mixture > > doesn't seem as important as keeping the seeds in the ground. If I didn't > > have freezing temps I would put the seeds in the freezer for a 6-8 weeks > > after they are moist. That breaks down the seed coat as well as the heat > in > > the summer before. I was surprised how easily they all sprouted and their > > survival. These plants grow in the harsh high desert conditions with high > > winds, hot summers with cool nights and freezing with some snow. They are > > hardy beings. > > > > The Sculpture Garden is an amazing place in an amazing setting. If the > > winds are right Kokopelli's flute plays. The artist lives on site. When > one > > visits you are usually the only person around and it is all the more > > powerful. > > > > Anne > > > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 7:02 AM, George Goldsmith < > g_goldsmith@hotmail.com > > > wrote: > > > >> Joe, > >> > >> Thank you for this thorough description for addressing seed treatment. > I > >> appreciate your help and the time you took to pen your reply. Thanks > again. > >> > >> George > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net] On Behalf > Of > >> Joe G > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 5:05 AM > >> To: Pacific Bulb Society > >> Subject: Re: [pbs] California Peonies > >> > >> The treatment I've been using (for species tree peonies) is to remove > the > >> radicle end of the seed coat (carefully!), cold moist stratify until the > >> radicle forms, then soaking in giberillic acid and sowing the seeds > >> normally. I've read about folks simply scarifying, soaking in GA-3, and > >> stratifying, as well as all other manner of pretreatment (soaking in > >> rubbing alcohol, soaking in indoleacetic acid, anaerobic fermentation, > >> maybe a combination of all of the above!) > >> > >> -joe > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018, 12:49 AM John Wickham > >> wrote: > >> > >> > George, > >> > Seeds require treatment. They have a very tough outer coat that should > >> > be nicked to allow for better germination. There are other treatments > >> > that may be effective too. > >> > > >> > If you can't find seed, Las Pilitas in Santa Margarita sells plants. > >> > John Wickham > >> > > >> > On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 8:56 PM, George Goldsmith < > >> > g_goldsmith@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > I'm writing to see if anyone on the list has had experience growing > >> > either of the two California native peonies, Paeonia brownii or > >> > Paeonia californica. If so, can you provide any guidance on growing > >> > these from seed? Also, if anyone is aware of sources for seeds for > >> > these two plants, that would be helpful also. Thank you. > >> > > >> > George Goldsmith > >> > (33.998702, -117.797542) > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > pbs mailing list > >> > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > >> > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > pbs mailing list > >> > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > >> > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> pbs mailing list > >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > >> _______________________________________________ > >> pbs mailing list > >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 15:56:43 +0100 > From: Johannes Ulrich Urban > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: [pbs] Oxalis disticha > Message-ID: <24bb3d8b-0ab5-bb9d-3a44-b19ca04b4b64@t-online.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Hello Joe, > > Thank you very much for your research. I was not aware that there are > Oxalis growing in seasonal pools, so this is the aquatic species I was > reading about. I am aways fascinated by plants that can grow in between > extremes, under water at some time and bone dry during dormancy. > > But I do not think that the blue flower growing with it is a Romulea. > Romuleas have single Crocus-like flowers not scapes of tiny flowers like > the ones on the picture. Does anybody know what the blue flower is? > > When I google Romulea aquatica I find these pictures, and also one of > Oxalis disticha with it but I do not see these flowers (which are > Romuleas for me) on your picture. > > > https://www.google.com/search?q=romulea+aquatica&client=firefox-b&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiW9MqtppfcAhXMaxQKHUycD4AQsAQIMg&biw=1280&bih=887 > > So already three different aquatic bulbs. > > > > bye and thanks again > > > Uli > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 08:40:04 -0700 > From: Hannon > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: Re: [pbs] Paeonia californica > Message-ID: > ZFuoLQuc8D_76NONXc485F-OJU8yBxbMqw@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > When I worked at Rancho Santa Ana Botanic Garden we had a crop of P. > californica. I remember the seeds germinated like kidney beans without any > treatment, but getting them through their leafless summer dormancy in pots > was challenging. Watering lightly about every two weeks helped during this > period; seedlings kept totally dry perished. The mix was well-drained with > plenty of sand and pumice and a low % of organic matter. Still, after a few > years we ended up with only one plant in a 1x1x1 foot wooden box. > > Recently I planted fresh seeds of P. cambessedesii with zero germination > over winter. The seeds appear to have a harder coat that the CA native > species. Maybe they need scarification as someone else mentioned? > > Dylan > > *"The greatest service which can be rendered any country is to add an > useful plant to its culture?" --**Thomas Jefferson* > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:27:48 -0400 > From: oooOIOooo > To: "pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net" > > Subject: Re: [pbs] Hyacinthoides hispanica subsp. algeriensis > Message-ID: > > <38_fJH6Z-W9dZn8um9NBQQoap5iPcx0xIkid5HBqNrEqlUH20EDozTRspFy_EUFu1u2X4bgWxl6lrMBOTM8JU6QArvX_T5wGhlxAEhL_9nk=@ > protonmail.ch> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I planted healthy bulbs of the common garden Hyacinthodes one fall. They > struggled to send up small deformed leaves the following spring, but no > flowers. The leaves soon withered and I never saw them again. > > Many plants feared elsewhere are never going to become invasive pests in > central Arizona. A few winter-growing annuals have become pests in the wild > here. I agree with the thought of offering potentially invasive plants with > a disclaimer. > > Leo Martin > Phoenix Arizona USA > Zone 9? > > ?Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.? > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 10:21:53 -0700 > From: Kathleen Sayce > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: [pbs] Allium with bulbils > Message-ID: <21B26121-46B6-4664-8225-8B7719ED10FD@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Surveying a coastal prairie that spent decades as a dairy and then cattle > ranch, I found this allium last summer. 18-24 inches tall, no flowers, just > a head of bulbils, about 1.5-2 inches across. Is there a way to identify > this plant to species? It is now owned by a conservation group, which plans > to remove it over the next few years. > > Kathleen > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 14:42:50 -0400 > From: "Tim Eck" > To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" > Subject: Re: [pbs] Allium with bulbils > Message-ID: <001101d41946$f9428b80$ebc7a280$@embarqmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I don't see a link but it sounds like Egyptian or walking onions. > > Tim Eck > > "Time is nature's way of preventing everything from happening at once." > Anon. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net] On Behalf Of > > Kathleen Sayce > > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 1:22 PM > > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > Subject: [pbs] Allium with bulbils > > > > Surveying a coastal prairie that spent decades as a dairy and then cattle > > ranch, I found this allium last summer. 18-24 inches tall, no flowers, > just a > > head of bulbils, about 1.5-2 inches across. Is there a way to identify > this plant > > to species? It is now owned by a conservation group, which plans to > remove > it > > over the next few years. > > > > Kathleen > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 13:52:49 -0700 > From: sun-coast-pearl > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: [pbs] Alliums > Message-ID: <510b16b1abd42a41a8350951d35c71c3@mtlp000083> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > The only allium I know of like that is the Egyptian walking onion. I grew > these for years, and they are a top set onion with only bulbiles. The only > coastal "prairie" I know of is the endangered garry oak ecosystem in BC. > This coastal dryland has 2 wild alliums that I know of? -- hookers onion,? > and the edible nodding onion (A. ceruum). Both of these have flowering > umbrels. California has several wild onions, but I have not seen any of > these in the wild.?Jo CanningVancouver IslandSent from my Galaxy Tab? A > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 15:28:06 -0700 > From: Lesley Richardson > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] Alliums > Message-ID: > < > CAGLnzBwpGmwGFKmnY94o8y716wj87TXZMhd2OENxqOxkJv9Udg@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I am currently growing the edible, nodding onion on the side of a mountain > in a very cold winter, specialized, Mediterranean climate. All the bulbs > survived their first winter, encased in a chicken wire cage to keep the > numerous rodents out. I am also growing Garry oaks, but they have had a > hard time surviving. I have three decent ones left now. But those appear to > be making it after 4 years. I was hoping to establish an oak woodland. Will > get more oaks in another year. > Lesley > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 1:52 PM, sun-coast-pearl < > sun-coast-pearl@telus.net> > wrote: > > > The only allium I know of like that is the Egyptian walking onion. I grew > > these for years, and they are a top set onion with only bulbiles. The > only > > coastal "prairie" I know of is the endangered garry oak ecosystem in BC. > > This coastal dryland has 2 wild alliums that I know of -- hookers onion, > > and the edible nodding onion (A. ceruum). Both of these have flowering > > umbrels. California has several wild onions, but I have not seen any of > > these in the wild. Jo CanningVancouver IslandSent from my Galaxy Tab? A > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 16:17:43 -0700 > From: Makiko Goto-Widerman > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] Paeonia californica > Message-ID: > < > CALezvAoOrg_em+zXuryp-BV9TLbtZeL070OfE7BWTPjsXeeoLQ@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Dylan, > > I agree that P. californica is difficult to grow. It was much easier to > germinate to compare with the Mediterranean peonies which > needs two years to germinate, but it is challenging to go through to > flowering stage. > > Their tubular type root will keep water during hot summer. > > > > *Makiko Goto-Widerman* > Makiko Floral Design Garden Club 501 c 3 > One Market Spear Tower 36F > San Francisco, CA 94105 > (415) 293-8132 > MFDgardenclub@gmail.com > *www.MFDgardenclub.us * > > > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 8:40 AM, Hannon wrote: > > > When I worked at Rancho Santa Ana Botanic Garden we had a crop of P. > > californica. I remember the seeds germinated like kidney beans without > any > > treatment, but getting them through their leafless summer dormancy in > pots > > was challenging. Watering lightly about every two weeks helped during > this > > period; seedlings kept totally dry perished. The mix was well-drained > with > > plenty of sand and pumice and a low % of organic matter. Still, after a > few > > years we ended up with only one plant in a 1x1x1 foot wooden box. > > > > Recently I planted fresh seeds of P. cambessedesii with zero germination > > over winter. The seeds appear to have a harder coat that the CA native > > species. Maybe they need scarification as someone else mentioned? > > > > Dylan > > > > *"The greatest service which can be rendered any country is to add an > > useful plant to its culture?" --**Thomas Jefferson* > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > > ------------------------------ > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 17, Issue 9 > ********************************** > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jane@deskhenge.com Thu, 12 Jul 2018 07:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <3cd53978-fc59-349a-356d-13fea8dd511e@deskhenge.com> From: Jane Sargent Subject: allium Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 09:39:23 -0400 Widely in commerce, Allium "hair." Google it for the pictures. Said to be invasive. Jane Sargent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From kathleen.sayce@gmail.com Thu, 12 Jul 2018 09:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Kathleen Sayce Subject: Allium vineale Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 09:03:24 -0700 Thanks for the comments back to me, on this list and directly, about this onion. It does appear to be Allium vineale, and it is a new record for the county it is in (Clatsop County, Oregon), so we will be marking and digging, and monitoring. I will also send a pressed plant or 5 to the OSU herbarium. Kathleen _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jay.yourch@gmail.com Sat, 14 Jul 2018 18:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jay Yourch Subject: Zephranthes 'Kathryn' Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2018 20:53:00 -0400 Back in 2009 I flowered some young rain lilies resulting from hybridization of Zephyranthes 'El Cielo' with Z. 'Big Dude'. While all of the seedlings from these crosses were excellent, one was especially pretty. I named it after my daughter, Kathryn, and distributed a few bulbs to other collectors. One of the bulbs was given to PBS member Tony Avent of Plant Delights Nursery. Evidently it did well for Tony, because while visiting Plant Delights open house today I noticed Z. 'Kathryn' for sale. I don't make any money from the sale of Zephyranthes 'Kathryn', just the satisfaction of hopefully brightening other gardens. Here is the link to the PBS listing for Z. 'Kathryn': https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/ZephyranthesHybridsTwo#Kathryn Here is the link to Plant Delights Nursery listing for same: https://www.plantdelights.com/products/zephyranthes-kathryn Cheers, Jay _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From vbouffard55@msn.com Sun, 15 Jul 2018 10:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Vivien Bouffard Subject: Zephranthes 'Kathryn' (Jay Yourch) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 16:20:56 +0000 That is certainly a feather in your cap, Jay! Beautiful. Wish I could grow them in the ground here. Vivien Massachusetts, Zone 6 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sun, 15 Jul 2018 10:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Speaker needed in Seattle area Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 09:43:07 -0700 The following request came via the PBS website. Woodinville is in King County, Washington, near Seattle. If you can recommend a speaker for this group (or would like to do it yourself), please write directly to Marian Dugan. Thanks, Jane McGary -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: PBS website contact:Speaker Needed Re Bulbs Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 01:31:29 +0100 (BST) From: Apache Reply-To: Marian Dugan To: janemcgary@earthlink.net This is a message from the PBS website for janemcgary. Hello. I'm the President of the Bear Creek Garden Club, located in Woodinville, WA. We are interested in having an expert on growing bulbs come to speak to our group on September 13, 2018. Do you have any recommendations? Thank you, Marian Dugan 206-963-2342 -- Pacific Bulb Society web site email: website@pacificbulbsociety.org _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sun, 15 Jul 2018 10:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <767b8eeb-e14a-05df-ce3a-60ee4ef15045@earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: Paeonia seed germination, was Paeonia californica Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 09:56:08 -0700 To answer Dylan's question about Paeonia cambessedesii: I grow a lot of this species, as well as other ones. I never scarify the seed, even the massive seeds of P. lutea, which self-sows in this area. Generally no leaf appears the first year after sowing, but a radicle is produced (known as hypogeal germination). The leaves appear the second spring. This seems to be a consistent pattern. Other species peonies also self-sow in gardens here, particularly P. daurica. Most of my P. camb. seeds come from two plants I keep in the bulb house (planted directly in the bed, not in pots), but some seed obtained under that name from the NARGS seedex germinated this spring and contained mixed species or hybrids; only one appeared to be true(ish). P. camb. is easily identified by its almost metallic blue-green leaves, very beautiful in early growth. It was not quite winter-hardy in my former garden (up in the hills), but I think I'll try some outdoors now that I'm at a lower elevation. It will certainly be a wonderful plant for California gardens, ornamental both in flower and in foliage. It goes dormant in late summer. In the bulb frames and bulb house it has survived about 20 degrees F when covered from rain. Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA On 7/11/2018 8:40 AM, Hannon wrote: > When I worked at Rancho Santa Ana Botanic Garden we had a crop of P. > californica. I remember the seeds germinated like kidney beans without any > treatment, but getting them through their leafless summer dormancy in pots > was challenging. Watering lightly about every two weeks helped during this > period; seedlings kept totally dry perished. The mix was well-drained with > plenty of sand and pumice and a low % of organic matter. Still, after a few > years we ended up with only one plant in a 1x1x1 foot wooden box. > > Recently I planted fresh seeds of P. cambessedesii with zero germination > over winter. The seeds appear to have a harder coat that the CA native > species. Maybe they need scarification as someone else mentioned? > > Dylan > > *"The greatest service which can be rendered any country is to add an > useful plant to its culture…" --**Thomas Jefferson* > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sun, 15 Jul 2018 12:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <1777814807.4367395.1531676342450@mail.yahoo.com> From: edward mccaleb via pbs Subject: Habranthus tubispathus Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 17:39:01 +0000 (UTC) I found this growing along a roadside in Southeast NC (8B) and am confidant its H. tubispathus.  It is a well established population, extending about 150 yards along the roadside, which is regularly mowed by the local street maintenance dept. They are shaded most of the day by a Live Oak canopy, but receive strong afternoon sun. As far I know, this species is native to the gulf coast so I am curious to know how it found its way here.  Have there been other populations found outside of its range? I have read the seeds are easy to germinate.  Any advice on growing them to maturity for gardens? Thanks. Edward -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: HT 1.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 772672 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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They are shaded most of the day by a > Live Oak canopy, but receive strong afternoon sun. > > As far I know, this species is native to the gulf coast so I am curious to > know how it found its way here. Have there been other populations found > outside of its range? > > I have read the seeds are easy to germinate. 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We have a typical wet winter and dry summer. Cyclamen is often seen growing in cracks or depressions in rocks - the kind of place you would expect sedums or other succulents to grow. Not much soil. I should add that, personally, I think dew is a bigger factor than usually given credit for in dry summer survival. Happy growing, Shmuel Silinsky Jerusalem, Israel _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From david@davidpilling.com Mon, 16 Jul 2018 04:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: David Pilling Subject: Gladiolus patersoniae Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 12:04:43 +0100 Hi, Posted for Susan Clark (pictures linked (scrubbed) below) ================================================ Gladiolus patersoniae First flower out today. Have been intrigued by the mottled leaf sheaths with this one. Have read that there is a lot of variability with flower colour. 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When they came back they brought me a small Cyclamen persicum corm that was found on the roadside. It has accompanied us on moves to three houses in two different states, living under grow lights in a basement, in a spare bedroom window, and now in my greenhouse. Quite hot at this time of year, heated to 50 degrees Fahrenheit in winter. Fourty-five years. Remarkable! The corm is now quite huge. It flowers very well, as you can see from the attached image from 2014. Judy in New Jersey where we received a very welcome smidge of rain (.41 inches) yesterday morning. BTW - now I are a weather station: https://www.wunderground.com/weather/us/nj/everittstown/KNJFRENC9 thanks to a birthday present from my children, their spouses, and grandchildren -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: BelleWood in Bloom - greenhouse_2014-01_Cyclamen persicum - reduced size.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 62633 bytes Desc: not available URL: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From robin@hansennursery.com Mon, 16 Jul 2018 10:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <002301d41d26$b0d5ee80$1281cb80$@hansennursery.com> From: "Hansen Nursery" Subject: CYCLAMEN IN POTS Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 10:01:50 -0700 Shmuel mentions dew as an important factor with regard to Cyclamen persicum. Here on the southwest coast of Oregon (about 1.5 miles inland from the beach), I'd have to agree with him. We had a very dry winter followed by a very dry summer but the saving grace has been the heavy fogs at night and through at least mid-morning. I'm watering every day or every other day, both the rock garden and pots in the canyard and greenhouses, but can put it off a day just because of our cool temperatures (high about 70 degrees F) and the fog. This allows me to get away for about three days at a time since I don't have someone available to water right now. One of my first nursery employers told me something I've never forgotten - watering is more important than every other chore when growing plants... As a side note, I have Cyclamen graecum tubers that have grown monstrous, some in 3-gallon nursery pots in rapid-draining mix, and the size of dinner plates. They are in full sun and watered very lightly during summer. So far, so good. Robin Hansen Nursery robin@hansennursery.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From kenttoto@gmail.com Mon, 16 Jul 2018 11:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Michael Kent Subject: Cyclamen in Pots Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 13:17:58 -0400 Robin, I have no experience with cyclamen, but would like to thank you for building my vocabulary. (See here for a definition of canyard: https://www.macmillandictionary.com/us/dictionary/american/canyard) Mike in the Finger Lakes area, where it is, yet again, currently 96 and humid _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From janemcgary@earthlink.net Mon, 16 Jul 2018 11:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <210d8020-fec0-a5f7-b65a-78c3d45dda92@earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: CYCLAMEN IN POTS Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 10:23:59 -0700 I noticed Cyclamen mirabile in Turkey growing in crevices. Probably there is more residual moisture from dew and fog there, but also such sites would protect the tubers from digging animals. Like Robin I have some monstrous Cyclamen graecum tubers about 10 years old. I just moved them out of the bulb house's raised bed in order to eliminate their large mats of foliage, which harbor cutworms and take up space better allotted to small things. One of them had very long "necks" (underground stems), as much as 20 cm long, which I was able to remove from the sandy soil without damage. I replanted them in partial shade in a high sandy berm, originally intended for Alstroemeria (which didn't survive the move). Perhaps I should add some rocks around them. Some others in a raised bed in the open have extended their necks down and out through the slabs of tufa surrounding the bed. I have a lot of C. graecum seed to send to the BX and recommend it highly to anyone in a warm, dry climate. Just returned from a trip to Lake Tahoe and saw some bulbous plants in the nearby mountains, including Lilium parvum in moist areas and Calochortus minimus in dry spots under pines. Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA On 7/16/2018 10:01 AM, Hansen Nursery wrote: > Shmuel mentions dew as an important factor with regard to Cyclamen persicum. > Here on the southwest coast of Oregon (about 1.5 miles inland from the > beach), I'd have to agree with him. We had a very dry winter followed by a > very dry summer but the saving grace has been the heavy fogs at night and > through at least mid-morning. I'm watering every day or every other day, > both the rock garden and pots in the canyard and greenhouses, but can put it > off a day just because of our cool temperatures (high about 70 degrees F) > and the fog. > > This allows me to get away for about three days at a time since I don't have > someone available to water right now. One of my first nursery employers > told me something I've never forgotten - watering is more important than > every other chore when growing plants... > > As a side note, I have Cyclamen graecum tubers that have grown monstrous, > some in 3-gallon nursery pots in rapid-draining mix, and the size of dinner > plates. They are in full sun and watered very lightly during summer. So > far, so good. > > Robin > Hansen Nursery > robin@hansennursery.com > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From janemcgary@earthlink.net Mon, 16 Jul 2018 11:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <45521c7a-58a1-afc7-f3e8-5b9b110f9b3e@earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: Nursery lexicon Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 10:26:52 -0700 In addition to "canyard" (which I'd write "can yard"), our nurseries here have "hoop houses," which I think the British call "poly tunnels." On 7/16/2018 10:17 AM, Michael Kent wrote: > Robin, > > I have no experience with cyclamen, but would like to thank you for > building my vocabulary. > > (See here for a definition of canyard: > https://www.macmillandictionary.com/us/dictionary/american/canyard) > > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From robin@hansennursery.com Mon, 16 Jul 2018 11:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <003b01d41d2c$931bdbb0$b9539310$@hansennursery.com> From: "Hansen Nursery" Subject: Nursery lexicon Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 10:43:57 -0700 Jane is correct - canyard should be can yard. Originally nurserymen quite literally used cans, i.e. on the order of coffee cans which you still see coffee in. This was before anyone ever came up with all those clever uses for plastics. Hoop houses can be a pretty loose term as I and others use "greenhouses" to refer to hoop houses also. Pure laziness (at least on my part) and the general public is more familiar with the term "greenhouse"... Robin Hansen Nursery robin@hansennursery.com In addition to "canyard" (which I'd write "can yard"), our nurseries here have "hoop houses," which I think the British call "poly tunnels." --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From mfdgardenclub@gmail.com Mon, 16 Jul 2018 12:17:01 -0700 Message-Id: From: Makiko Goto-Widerman Subject: Speaker needed in Seattle area Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 12:09:21 -0700 Jane, I'm not sure if I can be qualified, but I wish to visit their garden club. I used to live in Redmond Plateau (now Sammamish). I know that area and garden friends there. Makiko *Makiko Goto-Widerman* Makiko Floral Design Garden Club 501 c 3 One Market Spear Tower 36F San Francisco, CA 94105 (415) 293-8132 MFDgardenclub@gmail.com *www.MFDgardenclub.us * On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 9:43 AM, Jane McGary wrote: > The following request came via the PBS website. Woodinville is in King > County, Washington, near Seattle. If you can recommend a speaker for this > group (or would like to do it yourself), please write directly to Marian > Dugan. > > Thanks, > > Jane McGary > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: PBS website contact:Speaker Needed Re Bulbs > Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 01:31:29 +0100 (BST) > From: Apache > Reply-To: Marian Dugan > To: janemcgary@earthlink.net > > > > This is a message from the PBS website for janemcgary. > > Hello. I'm the President of the Bear Creek Garden Club, located in > Woodinville, WA. We are interested in having an expert on growing bulbs > come to speak to our group on September 13, 2018. Do you have any > recommendations? > > > Thank you, > > > Marian Dugan > 206-963-2342 > > -- > Pacific Bulb Society web site > email: website@pacificbulbsociety.org > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From mfdgardenclub@gmail.com Mon, 16 Jul 2018 13:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Makiko Goto-Widerman Subject: Paeonia seed germination, was Paeonia californica Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 12:28:44 -0700 Jane, That's really true that it takes two yeas to see leaves. I tried to grow this peony many times, but unfortunately they did not make it. Again I received seeds of P. cambessedessii and other Mediterranean peony seeds from the Mediterranean Garden Society (seeds exchange program from Southern France) and PBS two years before. This early winterI many seedlings popped up from unexpected pots. Makiko *Makiko Goto-Widerman* Makiko Floral Design Garden Club 501 c 3 One Market Spear Tower 36F San Francisco, CA 94105 (415) 293-8132 MFDgardenclub@gmail.com *www.MFDgardenclub.us * On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 9:56 AM, Jane McGary wrote: > To answer Dylan's question about Paeonia cambessedesii: I grow a lot of > this species, as well as other ones. I never scarify the seed, even the > massive seeds of P. lutea, which self-sows in this area. Generally no leaf > appears the first year after sowing, but a radicle is produced (known as > hypogeal germination). The leaves appear the second spring. This seems to > be a consistent pattern. Other species peonies also self-sow in gardens > here, particularly P. daurica. > > Most of my P. camb. seeds come from two plants I keep in the bulb house > (planted directly in the bed, not in pots), but some seed obtained under > that name from the NARGS seedex germinated this spring and contained mixed > species or hybrids; only one appeared to be true(ish). P. camb. is easily > identified by its almost metallic blue-green leaves, very beautiful in > early growth. It was not quite winter-hardy in my former garden (up in the > hills), but I think I'll try some outdoors now that I'm at a lower > elevation. It will certainly be a wonderful plant for California gardens, > ornamental both in flower and in foliage. It goes dormant in late summer. > In the bulb frames and bulb house it has survived about 20 degrees F when > covered from rain. > > Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA > > > > On 7/11/2018 8:40 AM, Hannon wrote: > >> When I worked at Rancho Santa Ana Botanic Garden we had a crop of P. >> californica. I remember the seeds germinated like kidney beans without any >> treatment, but getting them through their leafless summer dormancy in pots >> was challenging. Watering lightly about every two weeks helped during this >> period; seedlings kept totally dry perished. The mix was well-drained with >> plenty of sand and pumice and a low % of organic matter. Still, after a >> few >> years we ended up with only one plant in a 1x1x1 foot wooden box. >> >> Recently I planted fresh seeds of P. cambessedesii with zero germination >> over winter. The seeds appear to have a harder coat that the CA native >> species. Maybe they need scarification as someone else mentioned? >> >> Dylan >> >> *"The greatest service which can be rendered any country is to add an >> useful plant to its culture…" --**Thomas Jefferson* >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs >> > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From sun-coast-pearl@telus.net Mon, 16 Jul 2018 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <003c01d41d42$595fbac0$0c1f3040$@telus.net> From: "Jo&Greg" Subject: CYCLAMEN IN POTS Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 13:19:47 -0700 I attended a seminar with an expert a few ago. He suggested that here in the Northwest, where our soil is natural a bit acid, to mulch the area with #10 Turkey grit, a coarse mineral-rich grit used on chicken and turkey farms that the birds fill their crops with to grind the feed grain. It leaches bits of lime and other minerals, adjusting the soil and slowing the water run-off. All that said, I am far from a cyclamen expert, but thought the bit of info might be useful. Oh, and we Canucks use both terms, but usually favour "poly tunnel" over "hoop house." Jo Canning Vancouver Island -----Original Message----- From: pbs On Behalf Of Jane McGary Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 10:24 AM To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Subject: Re: [pbs] CYCLAMEN IN POTS I noticed Cyclamen mirabile in Turkey growing in crevices. Probably there is more residual moisture from dew and fog there, but also such sites would protect the tubers from digging animals. Like Robin I have some monstrous Cyclamen graecum tubers about 10 years old. I just moved them out of the bulb house's raised bed in order to eliminate their large mats of foliage, which harbor cutworms and take up space better allotted to small things. One of them had very long "necks" (underground stems), as much as 20 cm long, which I was able to remove from the sandy soil without damage. I replanted them in partial shade in a high sandy berm, originally intended for Alstroemeria (which didn't survive the move). Perhaps I should add some rocks around them. Some others in a raised bed in the open have extended their necks down and out through the slabs of tufa surrounding the bed. I have a lot of C. graecum seed to send to the BX and recommend it highly to anyone in a warm, dry climate. Just returned from a trip to Lake Tahoe and saw some bulbous plants in the nearby mountains, including Lilium parvum in moist areas and Calochortus minimus in dry spots under pines. Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA On 7/16/2018 10:01 AM, Hansen Nursery wrote: > Shmuel mentions dew as an important factor with regard to Cyclamen persicum. > Here on the southwest coast of Oregon (about 1.5 miles inland from the > beach), I'd have to agree with him. We had a very dry winter followed > by a very dry summer but the saving grace has been the heavy fogs at > night and through at least mid-morning. I'm watering every day or > every other day, both the rock garden and pots in the canyard and > greenhouses, but can put it off a day just because of our cool > temperatures (high about 70 degrees F) and the fog. > > This allows me to get away for about three days at a time since I > don't have someone available to water right now. One of my first > nursery employers told me something I've never forgotten - watering is > more important than every other chore when growing plants... > > As a side note, I have Cyclamen graecum tubers that have grown > monstrous, some in 3-gallon nursery pots in rapid-draining mix, and > the size of dinner plates. They are in full sun and watered very > lightly during summer. So far, so good. > > Robin > Hansen Nursery > robin@hansennursery.com > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From mpculver15@gmail.com Mon, 16 Jul 2018 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Marianne Culver Subject: Zephranthes 'Kathryn' Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 13:29:07 -0700 Hi Jay, This is a gorgeous zephyranthes rain lily. Your generosity in sharing with others is wonderful I am glad to know the history of this beauty. It has brightened my day and has sparked an interest in zephyranthes. Have a great summer. With regards, Marianne from PNW On Saturday, July 14, 2018, Jay Yourch wrote: > Back in 2009 I flowered some young rain lilies resulting from hybridization > of Zephyranthes 'El Cielo' with Z. 'Big Dude'. While all of the seedlings > from these crosses were excellent, one was especially pretty. I named it > after my daughter, Kathryn, and distributed a few bulbs to other > collectors. One of the bulbs was given to PBS member Tony Avent of Plant > Delights Nursery. Evidently it did well for Tony, because while visiting > Plant Delights open house today I noticed Z. 'Kathryn' for sale. > > I don't make any money from the sale of Zephyranthes 'Kathryn', just the > satisfaction of hopefully brightening other gardens. > > Here is the link to the PBS listing for Z. 'Kathryn': > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/ > ZephyranthesHybridsTwo#Kathryn > > Here is the link to Plant Delights Nursery listing for same: > https://www.plantdelights.com/products/zephyranthes-kathryn > > Cheers, > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Mon, 16 Jul 2018 16:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <2xfeMnaQa6_WHYUx8SU6zrQ8ilwb9WKdU-j-y7pjEF7MPliD31yYvWoMklJit82gIdr2oj96Y1P3X8SieWXG3hxKZWw10Det6otNQkMMEDM=@protonmail.ch> From: oooOIOooo via pbs Subject: OT - Pelargonium betulinum Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 18:35:43 -0400 Pelargonium betulinum is off-topic, since it doesn't have a tuber, but it came originally from the UC Irvine winter-rainfall bulb garden plant sale. I'm hoping somebody here might grow it and have pruning suggestions. http://pza.sanbi.org/pelargonium-betulinum This is a winter-rainfall shrubby plant from the southern coast of Africa. In my mother's southern Orange County, California garden it grows vigorously and blooms beautifully. It is seldom out of bloom, though early to mid summer features the most flowers., However, it develops very long, lanky, leafless stems, to a meter or more, that hang down with the weight of the tuft of leaves and flowers at the tip. Is this a plant best managed with drastic pruning every year or two? It produces plenty of seed. It was in flower in a "1 gallon" / 3.78 liter standard nursery pot when I bought it some years ago. I know the BX has offered non-tuberous plants in the past. Is anybody interested in seed? Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA Zone 9b? Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From robertwerra@pacific.net Mon, 16 Jul 2018 17:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <8A364BA3D70B475A86FF4C7708B035C9@Game1> From: "Robert Werra" Subject: late calochortus Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 16:25:55 -0700 In no. Calif. garden late calochorti in addition to C. plummerae and weedii is C. obispoensis.Also in July is the last of moraea bloomers. And the most unique and interesting- moraea vespertina. In past years when plants were named to help identification they chose vespertina. Why? Because it blossomed at the time of evening vespers. That is it opens the time that vespers begin and closes 2 hrs. later when vespers end. If named now I would call it suppertina. It opens when we begin supper and closes with a late dessert. Super fugacious but worth checking out at suppertime. Large white and yellow diaphanous (look it up-I was an english minor) blossom on tall stickt stems.It is the only fragrant moraea. It ?self seeds generously and has lasted for years. I will have seeds for the Bx and jf you miiss it. also privately. .Bob Werra _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From gardenbetter@gmail.com Tue, 17 Jul 2018 02:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Shmuel Silinsky Subject: CYCLAMEN IN POTS Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 12:13:47 +0300 Robin, Do your Cyclamen go dormant? Here in summer-dry Israel they are dormant all summer, but if watered in cultivation they may keep leaves through the summer and even flower. Jane, Cyclamen are pretty toxic and are in deer and rabbit proof lists. Even the hyrax here don't eat them, so I can't imagine critters digging for them. My only pests on them are snails and slugs. I don't know what their metabolism is like but they eat stuff mammals won't touch. The chief scientist at the Jerusalem Botanical Garden told me that some of the large wild Cyclamen persicum bulbs can be very old - 100 years? Did he say even more? By the way, they grow natively in a pretty heavy soil. Shmuel Silinsky Jerusalem Israel _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Tue, 17 Jul 2018 06:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1324798582.8570479.1531829728741@mail.yahoo.com> From: Brian Whyer via pbs Subject: CYCLAMEN IN POTS Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 12:15:28 +0000 (UTC) Cyclamen are pretty toxic and are in deer and rabbit proof lists. Even the hyrax here don't eat them, so I can't imagine critters digging for them. My only pests on them are snails and slugs. I don't know what their metabolism is like but they eat stuff mammals won't touch. *****They are sold under the name Sowbread in the UK. I.e. potential pigfood, so doubt they are poisonous to other 'similar' animals. The seed pods are sugary from memory too, but only ants make use of that here in the UK I think. I lost a C. persicum last year that was 25cm. or so diameter. Maybe 30 years old. Ex. AGS seed I think. Brian, UK _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From lamonready@hotmail.com Tue, 17 Jul 2018 08:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Lamon Ready Subject: CYCLAMEN IN POTS Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 14:22:07 +0000 My apologies if I'm not correct in how I'm doing this. I bought Cyclamen coum in 2004 from Brent and Becky. I planted it in ground for over a year until I needed that place for other plant charms. I dug it up, planting in a 4 or so gal. pot. All this time it has been under a live oak tree. I also have all (I think) that are commercially available, in pots, for 1+ years. These are under pecan trees. All are doing fine as of now. On a side note, my lycoris collection are all in pots ranging from trade gal to 4 gal, they are in mostly shade, pecan trees, doing good. L. rosea now blooming! Lamon Ready Zone 8b Cairo, Ga _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.pacificbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&data=02%7C01%7C%7C08a808824d2d4020ad7608d5ebe08a30%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636674271978995776&sdata=KR9EpxfWD45whBlIxOm6wBFR%2B7g3gttVQp2dxZGYnb0%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From gardenbetter@gmail.com Tue, 17 Jul 2018 21:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Shmuel Silinsky Subject: CYCLAMEN IN POTS Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 07:11:38 +0300 The ASPCA says Cyclamen is toxic to pets: https://www.aspca.org/pet-care/animal-poison-control/toxic-and-non-toxic-plants/cyclamen On the other hand, I find that Brian is justified in his comment in this herbal page: https://www.herbal-supplement-resource.com/cyclamen-herbal-medicine.html As little as 0.2 g of the root-stock (tubers) will cause symptoms of poisoning, while 8 g are considered lethal dose for a healthy adult. Animals that eat the tubers do usually have blood in their urine, but pigs can eat them without any harm, which is reflected in one of the English names of the plant, “sowbread” Regarding habitat of Cyclamen persicum I find this comment from the Cyclamen Society perfectly mirrors what I see here in Israel: Cyclamen persicum grows in a typically Mediterranean climate with hot dry summers and warm wet winters, from sea level to 1200m, mainly in open situations, in terra rossa over limestone, often in water worn pockets or crevices in bare rock but also under scrub or in old olive groves. https://www.cyclamen.org/plants/species/cyclamen-persicum/ Shmuel Silinsky Jerusalem, Israel _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From keith.bradtberg@baesystems.com Tue, 17 Jul 2018 21:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: "BRADTBERG, Keith" Subject: Please remove my name from the mailing list Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 04:13:08 +0000 Keith Bradtberg BAE Systems Australia Building 64 Taranaki Road Edinburgh Parks South Australia 5111 Phone +61 (0)8 8480 7010 Email: keith.bradtberg@baesystems.com baesystems.com/australia This email has been sent on behalf of one of the following companies within the BAE Systems Australia group of companies: BAE Systems Australia Limited - Australian Company Number 008 423 005 BAE Systems Australia Defence Pty Limited - Australian Company Number 006 870 846 BAE Systems Australia Logistics Pty Limited - Australian Company Number 086 228 864 Our registered office is Evans Building, Taranaki Road, Edinburgh Parks, Edinburgh, South Australia, 5111. 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Mice would happily dine on the little pink pearl like immature tubers but once the tubers reached a larger, brown exterior size they were left alone. Judy in New Jersey where yesterday's thunder and lightening storm delivered a very welcome 1.51 inches of rain. This morning's temperature is reasonably moderate but the humidity is not _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From robin@hansennursery.com Wed, 18 Jul 2018 08:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <000901d41ea8$f9ec02c0$edc40840$@hansennursery.com> From: "Hansen Nursery" Subject: Cyclamen and Mice Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 08:06:58 -0700 Speaking of mice and young cyclamen tubers...Judy is correct that they prefer the young ones. Many winters ago, we had 2-3 weeks of 14 F temperatures and 6-8 inches of snow in the northern Willamette Valley. I had covered my flats of cyclamen (directly on the ground) with poly so the snow accumulated on top to insulate. When I uncovered, the wee beasties had nibbled on many, many little ones, a few bites here and there, then piled them in certain 4-inch pots. They didn't move quite fast enough as I saw one or more of the little gray animals running as I uncovered. I was just starting the nursery and was blown away by what I found!!! Fortunately, I had lots of plants, but it was exceedingly painful to toss so many damaged babies... Robin Hansen Nursery robin@hansennursery.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From dahshuhnduan@gmail.com Sun, 22 Jul 2018 17:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Roxanne Duan Subject: late calochortus Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2018 16:59:28 -0700 Hi Bob, May I get some of your surplus Calochortus seeds? I am just getting into the wondrous world of Calochortus(es) and am completely fascinated by them. If so, please instruct how I should proceed. Thank you in advance. Roxanne (240) 938-1596 (M) On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 4:25 PM, Robert Werra wrote: > In no. Calif. garden late calochorti in addition to C. plummerae and > weedii is C. obispoensis.Also in July is the last of moraea bloomers. And > the most unique and interesting- moraea vespertina. In past years when > plants were named to help identification they chose vespertina. Why? > Because it blossomed at the time of evening vespers. That is it opens the > time that vespers begin and closes 2 hrs. later when vespers end. If named > now I would call it suppertina. It opens when we begin supper and closes > with a late dessert. Super fugacious but worth checking out at suppertime. > Large white and yellow diaphanous (look it up-I was an english minor) > blossom on tall stickt stems.It is the only fragrant moraea. It ?self seeds > generously and has lasted for years. I will have seeds for the Bx and jf > you miiss it. also privately. .Bob Werra > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jane@deskhenge.com Mon, 23 Jul 2018 04:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jane Sargent Subject: tulips Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 07:10:41 -0400 I have been generally moaning all year about the total failure of my tulip crop. I was all atwitter in the Spring, awaiting the emergence of those wonderful things, but not a one came up. Now I know why. The guy I paid to plant them never did it. They spent the winter sealed in a box in a garage. I guess it is all over for them. Worst crop failure ever. Jane Sargent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jane@deskhenge.com Tue, 24 Jul 2018 05:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jane Sargent Subject: tulips Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 07:37:54 -0400 Thank you for the advice and sympathy. I'll check out how the bulbs look and see whether they are plantable. They will probably need fertilizer if they are. Perhaps sometime they will be able to make flowers. The guy who was meant to plant them is a neighbor and can't get away. This is Shark Week on the Discovery Channel, which is when the bugbane patch and crocosmias are at their showiest. "Lucifer" is the only one I can reliably overwinter. I wonder whether it could be crossed with something else. Jane Sargent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From gardenbetter@gmail.com Tue, 24 Jul 2018 05:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Shmuel Silinsky Subject: Zephyranthes germination Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 14:57:26 +0300 My Zephyranthes grandiflora seed is harvested. Last year I tried germinating it and was a complete failure. I did the flotation till sinking and then sowed. But then nothing. Any suggestions for this year? Thanks so much, Shmuel Silinsky Jerusalem Israel Zone 9 Mediterranean Climate Create your own email signature _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From gardenbetter@gmail.com Tue, 24 Jul 2018 05:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Shmuel Silinsky Subject: Zephranthes 'Kathryn' Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 15:00:01 +0300 I looked up the links. Beautiful! How cool that it is named after your daughter. May you get a lot of joy from your daughter and your bulbs! Shmuel Silinsky Jerusalem Zone 9 On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 3:53 AM, Jay Yourch wrote: > Back in 2009 I flowered some young rain lilies resulting from hybridization > of Zephyranthes 'El Cielo' with Z. 'Big Dude'. While all of the seedlings > from these crosses were excellent, one was especially pretty. I named it > after my daughter, Kathryn, and distributed a few bulbs to other > collectors. One of the bulbs was given to PBS member Tony Avent of Plant > Delights Nursery. Evidently it did well for Tony, because while visiting > Plant Delights open house today I noticed Z. 'Kathryn' for sale. > > I don't make any money from the sale of Zephyranthes 'Kathryn', just the > satisfaction of hopefully brightening other gardens. > > Here is the link to the PBS listing for Z. 'Kathryn': > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/ > ZephyranthesHybridsTwo#Kathryn > > Here is the link to Plant Delights Nursery listing for same: > https://www.plantdelights.com/products/zephyranthes-kathryn > > Cheers, > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Tue, 24 Jul 2018 06:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1673089019.1484788.1532434954433@mail.yahoo.com> From: Gianinatio via pbs Subject: Zephyranthes germination Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 12:22:34 +0000 (UTC) Most Z. carinata (formerly grandiflora) are sterile. They may produce sterile seed.  Easiest way to check is float them, in a clear glass container, and check for root growth.  If there's no root growth after 7-10 days, they are most likely infertile seed.   Keep the water cleaned.  Usually fertile seed will germinate quickly and the water will stay fairly clean without changing.  I've found that infertile seed tend to cloud the water in a couple days.   Still, change the water carefully in case a few may be fertile.   Taller glass containers holding more water won't spoil so soon. Good luck. John ignacio On Tuesday, July 24, 2018, 6:57:38 AM CDT, Shmuel Silinsky wrote: My Zephyranthes grandiflora seed is harvested. Last year I tried germinating it and was a complete failure. I did the flotation till sinking and then sowed. But then nothing. Any suggestions for this year? Thanks so much, Shmuel Silinsky Jerusalem Israel Zone 9 Mediterranean Climate Create your own email signature _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Tue, 24 Jul 2018 06:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <2Q4iu7wlTxc73IKOFLkLBCAURm9uO051d2f52q3AOwYYJmGSnYlumnkrKPG2xjgTDDrXSbRElxNAqGd6GMCnh3vwxQThrB9t7Z23A7U9iro=@protonmail.ch> From: oooOIOooo via pbs Subject: tulips Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 08:22:59 -0400 > Worst crop failure ever. There are rodents and there are rodents. Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA Zone 9? Sent from ProtonMail mobile _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jay.yourch@gmail.com Tue, 24 Jul 2018 06:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jay Yourch Subject: Zephranthes 'Kathryn' Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 09:06:51 -0400 Thank you all for your kind words. My daughter is thrilled about her rain lily. On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 8:00 AM Shmuel Silinsky wrote: > I looked up the links. Beautiful! How cool that it is named after your > daughter. > > May you get a lot of joy from your daughter and your bulbs! > > Shmuel Silinsky > Jerusalem Zone 9 > > > > On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 3:53 AM, Jay Yourch wrote: > > > Back in 2009 I flowered some young rain lilies resulting from > hybridization > > of Zephyranthes 'El Cielo' with Z. 'Big Dude'. While all of the seedlings > > from these crosses were excellent, one was especially pretty. I named it > > after my daughter, Kathryn, and distributed a few bulbs to other > > collectors. One of the bulbs was given to PBS member Tony Avent of Plant > > Delights Nursery. Evidently it did well for Tony, because while visiting > > Plant Delights open house today I noticed Z. 'Kathryn' for sale. > > > > I don't make any money from the sale of Zephyranthes 'Kathryn', just the > > satisfaction of hopefully brightening other gardens. > > > > Here is the link to the PBS listing for Z. 'Kathryn': > > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/ > > ZephyranthesHybridsTwo#Kathryn > > > > Here is the link to Plant Delights Nursery listing for same: > > https://www.plantdelights.com/products/zephyranthes-kathryn > > > > Cheers, > > > > Jay > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Tue, 24 Jul 2018 08:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <164ccbf2e32-c8f-13c99@webjasstg-vab41.srv.aolmail.net> From: Ernie DeMarie via pbs Subject: crocosmia lucifer Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 10:43:58 -0400 Hi Jane, There should be no reason why Crocosmia "Lucifer" wouldnt cross with other crocosmias. In fact I am pretty sure it has been used in breeding and it also makes its own seeds as well. The UK seems far more advanced in creating new Crocosmia hybrids than we are in the US, but Far Reaches carries quite a few cultivars. Here in NY in zone6/7 with a low of -2F last winter, I can grow several cultivars and also the species aurea,but aurea does best if given a protective winter mulch or grown against a wall. I have had a large patch of it under the latter conditions at school for many years by now and it comes up earlier and flowers a bit earlier than the two clumps I have in my home gardens which are usually given some light mulch for winter. Lucifer flowers earlier so pollen would need to be stored to use on later flowering things like aurea I would think. Ernie DeMarie in NY where Crinum Super Ellen has its second flower spike opening, Crocosmia Pauls Best Yellow, C pottsii (I think) and some of the usual dutch red ones are flowering along with Galtonia candicans and Agapanthus campanulatus and various hardy hybrids grown from seeds. -----Original Message----- From: Jane Sargent To: pbs Sent: Tue, Jul 24, 2018 7:38 am Subject: [pbs] tulips Thank you for the advice and sympathy. I'll check out how the bulbs look and see whether they are plantable. They will probably need fertilizer if they are. Perhaps sometime they will be able to make flowers. The guy who was meant to plant them is a neighbor and can't get away. This is Shark Week on the Discovery Channel, which is when the bugbane patch and crocosmias are at their showiest. "Lucifer" is the only one I can reliably overwinter. I wonder whether it could be crossed with something else. Jane Sargent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From janemcgary@earthlink.net Tue, 24 Jul 2018 10:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <86576bbb-1692-2600-525d-77c1a632453d@earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: crocosmia lucifer Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 09:41:23 -0700 I tried a selection of the Crocosmia hybrids offered by Far Reaches, but only one survived even a single winter (low, about 18 F), and it never flourished. 'Lucifer' is the most attractive anyway. I don't happen to have it in this garden but will get some next year (it's offered by bulb suppliers in spring). Must also grow more of the Galtonia candicans Ernie mentions, as it's fresh and pretty right now when very little else is. Seed is always available from the NARGS exchange. Jane McGary Portland, oregon, USA On 7/24/2018 7:43 AM, Ernie DeMarie via pbs wrote: > Hi Jane, > There should be no reason why Crocosmia "Lucifer" wouldnt cross with other crocosmias. In fact I am pretty sure it has been used in breeding and it also makes its own seeds as well. The UK seems far more advanced in creating new Crocosmia hybrids than we are in the US, but Far Reaches carries quite a few cultivars. Here in NY in zone6/7 with a low of -2F last winter, I can grow several cultivars and also the species aurea,but aurea does best if given a protective winter mulch or grown against a wall. I have had a large patch of it under the latter conditions at school for many years by now and it comes up earlier and flowers a bit earlier than the two clumps I have in my home gardens which are usually given some light mulch for winter. Lucifer flowers earlier so pollen would need to be stored to use on later flowering things like aurea I would think. > Ernie DeMarie > in NY where Crinum Super Ellen has its second flower spike opening, Crocosmia Pauls Best Yellow, C pottsii (I think) and some of the usual dutch red ones are flowering along with Galtonia candicans and Agapanthus campanulatus and various hardy hybrids grown from seeds. > > > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From lamonready@hotmail.com Tue, 24 Jul 2018 10:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Lamon Ready Subject: Crinum Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 17:09:01 +0000 Hi, Will crinum bulbs with the basal plate cut off live and grow - thrive? I bought some and one was minus the plate. Thank you, Lamon Ready Cairo, Ga, USA Zone 8b https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.pacificbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&data=02%7C01%7C%7C78df95a76b49469ba2ef08d5f185c82f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636680479245784070&sdata=igeDMpupFLfZM6Qt9t696zfxczySLp7gGj7PnO5BrWM%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From johannes-ulrich-urban@t-online.de Wed, 25 Jul 2018 10:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Johannes-Ulrich Urban Subject: Germination of Zephyranthes Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 17:42:04 +0100 Hello Shmuel, The water flotation method of germinating seed is very reliable. I even managed to germinate seed of overstored short lived Amaryllidaceae seeds this way. But I would not call it the float and sink method. Seeds sinking do not germinate. It is more float and root. With valuable seed I use tweezers to fish them out of the water and plant them individually when the root appears and leave the non sprouted ones floating. But I always remove sinking seeds as they might spoil the rest. Could you feel an embryo when you gently take a single seed between index and thumb? If not the seed may have been empty. I also have a nice Zephyranthes which refuses to set seed after self pollination so may be the seed set of your plants was not viable as already commented. Bye for today Uli _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From hanshuizing@xs4all.nl Wed, 25 Jul 2018 11:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Hans Huizing Subject: Germination of Zephyranthes Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 19:44:21 +0200 Hi Uli and All, I do not agree with you Uli. I germinate all my Cyrtanthus seeds that way. And seeds sunken to the bottom do almost always germinate! Just be patient. As long as there is an embryo! Cyrtanthus carneus f.i. might take two to three months to germinate! By taht time most of the seeds are on the bottom! Hans Huizing Op 25-7-2018 om 18:42 schreef Johannes-Ulrich Urban: > Hello Shmuel, > > The water flotation method of germinating seed is very reliable. I even managed to germinate seed of overstored short lived Amaryllidaceae seeds this way. But I would not call it the float and sink method. Seeds sinking do not germinate. It is more float and root. With valuable seed I use tweezers to fish them out of the water and plant them individually when the root appears and leave the non sprouted ones floating. But I always remove sinking seeds as they might spoil the rest. Could you feel an embryo when you gently take a single seed between index and thumb? If not the seed may have been empty. > I also have a nice Zephyranthes which refuses to set seed after self pollination so may be the seed set of your plants was not viable as already commented. > > Bye for today > > Uli > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From bulbexchange@gmail.com Wed, 25 Jul 2018 13:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Albert Stella Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 443 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 16:11:08 -0400 Dear All, The items listed below have been donated by our members and friends to be shared. If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at bulbexchange@gmail.com Include "BX 443” in the subject line. SPECIFY THE ITEM NUMBERS. 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On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 10:44 AM Hans Huizing wrote: > Hi Uli and All, > > I do not agree with you Uli. > I germinate all my Cyrtanthus seeds that way. > And seeds sunken to the bottom do almost always germinate! > Just be patient. > As long as there is an embryo! > Cyrtanthus carneus f.i. might take two to three months to germinate! > By taht time most of the seeds are on the bottom! > > Hans Huizing > > > > Op 25-7-2018 om 18:42 schreef Johannes-Ulrich Urban: > > Hello Shmuel, > > > > The water flotation method of germinating seed is very reliable. I even > managed to germinate seed of overstored short lived Amaryllidaceae seeds > this way. But I would not call it the float and sink method. Seeds sinking > do not germinate. It is more float and root. With valuable seed I use > tweezers to fish them out of the water and plant them individually when the > root appears and leave the non sprouted ones floating. But I always remove > sinking seeds as they might spoil the rest. Could you feel an embryo when > you gently take a single seed between index and thumb? If not the seed may > have been empty. > > I also have a nice Zephyranthes which refuses to set seed after self > pollination so may be the seed set of your plants was not viable as already > commented. > > > > Bye for today > > > > Uli > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From hanshuiz@xs4all.nl Wed, 25 Jul 2018 15:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <474ib0em7an6q87o7nwf8i04.1532552936247@email.android.com> From: hanshuiz Subject: Germination of Zephyranthes Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 23:08:56 +0200 I refresh the water every 3 to 4 weeks. I add a little sulpher to avoid algue to form. And indirect light. Not to bright. Temperature about 15 - 20 degrees Celsius. Verzonden vanaf mijn Samsung-apparaat -------- Oorspronkelijk bericht -------- Van: Cody H Datum: 25-07-2018 22:19 (GMT+01:00) Aan: Pacific Bulb Society Onderwerp: Re: [pbs] Germination of Zephyranthes Hans, I assume you must change the water at some interval for seeds that take months to sprout? What is the interval? Do you put them under bright lights? On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 10:44 AM Hans Huizing wrote: > Hi Uli and All, > > I do not agree with you Uli. > I germinate all my Cyrtanthus seeds that way. > And seeds sunken to the bottom do almost always germinate! > Just be patient. > As long as there is an embryo! > Cyrtanthus carneus f.i. might take two to three months to germinate! > By taht time most of the seeds are on the bottom! > > Hans Huizing > > > > Op 25-7-2018 om 18:42 schreef Johannes-Ulrich Urban: > > Hello Shmuel, > > > > The water flotation method of germinating seed is very reliable. I even > managed to germinate seed of overstored short lived Amaryllidaceae seeds > this way. But I would not call it the float and sink method. Seeds sinking > do not germinate. It is more float and root. With valuable seed I use > tweezers to fish them out of the water and plant them individually when the > root appears and leave the non sprouted ones floating. But I always remove > sinking seeds as they might spoil the rest. Could you feel an embryo when > you gently take a single seed between index and thumb? If not the seed may > have been empty. > > I also have a nice Zephyranthes which refuses to set seed after self > pollination so may be the seed set of your plants was not viable as already > commented. > > > > Bye for today > > > > Uli > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 25 Jul 2018 15:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <23880B4B-971F-4811-B5FD-527F453B24A4@icloud.com> From: Janet Loyd via pbs Subject: Water germination method Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 17:42:28 -0400 Ok guys I’d like to judge for myself What is the water method can you explain it? I have a good success rate with zephyranthes but would like better percentage rate & would this method work with other seeds like Asclepius (milkweed)instead of cold stratification? Sent from Janet’s I phone _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From david@davidpilling.com Wed, 25 Jul 2018 15:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <4466b2a5-c0e2-0dde-edb2-67eafd221961@davidpilling.com> From: David Pilling Subject: Water germination method Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 23:09:26 +0100 Hi Janet, On 25/07/2018 22:42, Janet Loyd via pbs wrote: > Ok guys I’d like to judge for myself What is the water method can you explain it? The PBS wiki points to here: https://goo.gl/tQ1wG9 long form: https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbslist/2002-November/sq3ns9uvbrb39doat67edapoi3.html -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From rdevries@comcast.net Wed, 25 Jul 2018 16:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <7C4450F2-1FC9-4120-84C7-228844B3B189@comcast.net> From: Rimmer deVries Subject: Water germination method Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 17:21:01 -0500 Hi Janet I use small plastic ketchup containers you get at various fast food places or deli containers (with a lid). Pierce the center of the lid with a nail or awl for some air. Fill half way with tap water. Place seed on water, install lid and place in bright location, wait 1-2 weeks. Refresh water if cloudy. Place germinated seed on seedling mix in a pot placed in a bright location and keep humid or misted. Full sun in summer maybe too much light. If you leave the seed in water longer than just after germination you will need a deeper cup as they grow fast in water. Rimmer deVries South Central Kentucky > On Jul 25, 2018, at 4:42 PM, Janet Loyd via pbs wrote: > > > Ok guys I’d like to judge for myself What is the water method can you explain it? I have a good success rate with zephyranthes but would like better percentage rate & would this method work with other seeds like Asclepius (milkweed)instead of cold stratification? > Sent from Janet’s I phone > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From johannes-ulrich-urban@t-online.de Thu, 26 Jul 2018 03:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <589859A2-D102-4305-8AEF-9BD1F21AB296@t-online.de> From: Johannes-Ulrich Urban Subject: Germination Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 10:52:07 +0100 Hello Hans and All, Flotation method: Thank you for this advice. I was not aware that even sunken seeds would still germinate. Another point: never throw old seed away. I have sown seeds of Canna tuerkheimii, given to me by James Waddick in 2002 (thank you again, Jim) Out of 5 seeds sown 2 have germinated within days, which I find is not too bad for such old seeds. Bye for today Uli _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From johannes-ulrich-urban@t-online.de Thu, 26 Jul 2018 06:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <6680F4BE-3AE0-4F5A-AB84-25EF6F894222@t-online.de> From: Johannes-Ulrich Urban Subject: Water germination Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 14:00:37 +0100 Hello Janet, The water flotation method is good for seeds that are papery like Zephyranthes and Hippeastrum. These seeds are often short lived in dry storage AND have the ability to float on water. So they would stay on the surface of the water until they germinate. Which means they are in contact with air and water at the same time. (I use no lid) That is why I was surprised by Hans‘ comment that even seeds that sink into the water would still germinate. I had thought that they suffocate or sink because they are dead anyway. Soaking seed in water overnight is a different method. Very many seeds benefit from an overnight soak in lukewarm water, especially the hard shelled ones would be nicked before. That is what I did with the 16 year old Canna seed I mentioned. These seeds sink to the ground immediately and quite contrary to the water flotation method a floating seed which will not sink during the night is often (but not always) dead. On the other hand my experience is that these seeds do not like to be in water for too long and would start to macerate if forgotten. Your Asclepiad seeds fall into the second group which might benefit from an overnight soak but in my opinion I would not leave them in water for too long. But if you have enough seeds you can experiment and let us know..... Maybe other members of the forum have different opinions or experience? Bye for now Uli _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From david@davidpilling.com Thu, 26 Jul 2018 07:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: David Pilling Subject: Water germination Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 14:42:57 +0100 Hi, There's a whole area of practical experience that separates things on whether they float or not - bad eggs float good eggs sink. This is really weighing things, and it is possible to separate good seed from bad by weighing each seed (given patience and a sensitive enough scale). The good ones are the heaviest. So seed that sinks is likely to be the most viable. But some seed even when viable is not going to sink, some seed, e.g. coconuts, has evolved to float when viable. -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From lamonready@hotmail.com Thu, 26 Jul 2018 17:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Lamon Ready Subject: Crinum Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 22:21:08 +0000 Serious question. Ebay seller sold 4 Super Ellen bulbs. A friend dug and shipped for hospitalized seller. 3 were fine, 1 had basal plate cut off. Seller contends it will grow. I say it will not, but will rot. They are replacing it, still claiming it will grow. I have searched the net, but found nothing definitive. Any suggestions? Thank you! Lamon Ready ________________________________ From: Lamon Ready Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 1:09 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society; Lamon Ready Subject: Crinum Hi, Will crinum bulbs with the basal plate cut off live and grow - thrive? I bought some and one was minus the plate. Thank you, Lamon Ready Cairo, Ga, USA Zone 8b https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.pacificbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&data=02%7C01%7C%7C78df95a76b49469ba2ef08d5f185c82f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636680479245784070&sdata=igeDMpupFLfZM6Qt9t696zfxczySLp7gGj7PnO5BrWM%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 26 Jul 2018 17:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1510723257.3063806.1532650024433@mail.yahoo.com> From: Steve Evans via pbs Subject: Crinum Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 00:07:04 +0000 (UTC) I have never heard of one growing without the basal plate.  In my experience they rot. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 18:57, Lamon Ready wrote: Serious question. Ebay seller sold 4 Super Ellen bulbs. A friend dug and shipped for hospitalized seller. 3 were fine, 1 had basal plate cut off. Seller contends it will grow. I say it will not, but will rot. They are replacing it, still claiming it will grow. I have searched the net, but found nothing definitive. Any suggestions? Thank you! Lamon Ready ________________________________ From: Lamon Ready Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 1:09 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society; Lamon Ready Subject: Crinum Hi, Will crinum bulbs with the basal plate cut off live and grow - thrive? I bought some and one was minus the plate. Thank you, Lamon Ready Cairo, Ga, USA Zone 8b https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.pacificbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&data=02%7C01%7C%7C78df95a76b49469ba2ef08d5f185c82f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636680479245784070&sdata=igeDMpupFLfZM6Qt9t696zfxczySLp7gGj7PnO5BrWM%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From teck11@embarqmail.com Thu, 26 Jul 2018 18:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <001501d42546$761038a0$6230a9e0$@embarqmail.com> From: "Tim Eck" Subject: Crinum Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 21:09:24 -0400 I concur. My understanding is that all growth originates at the basal plate. Tim Eck > -----Original Message----- > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net] On Behalf Of > Steve Evans via pbs > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 8:07 PM > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Cc: Steve Evans > Subject: Re: [pbs] Crinum > > I have never heard of one growing without the basal plate. In my experience > they rot. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 18:57, Lamon Ready > wrote: Serious question. > > Ebay seller sold 4 Super Ellen bulbs. A friend dug and shipped for hospitalized > seller. > > 3 were fine, 1 had basal plate cut off. Seller contends it will grow. I say it will > not, but will rot. > > They are replacing it, still claiming it will grow. I have searched the net, but > found nothing definitive. > > Any suggestions? > > Thank you! > > Lamon Ready > > > ________________________________ > From: Lamon Ready > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 1:09 PM > To: Pacific Bulb Society; Lamon Ready > Subject: Crinum > > > Hi, > > Will crinum bulbs with the basal plate cut off live and grow - thrive? > > I bought some and one was minus the plate. > > Thank you, > > Lamon Ready > > Cairo, Ga, USA > > Zone 8b > > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.paci > ficbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi- > bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&data=02%7C01%7C%7C78df95a76b49469 > ba2ef08d5f185c82f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6 > 36680479245784070&sdata=igeDMpupFLfZM6Qt9t696zfxczySLp7gGj7PnO5Br > WM%3D&reserved=0 > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 26 Jul 2018 18:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1106731871.3075429.1532653775286@mail.yahoo.com> From: Michael C Ingram via pbs Subject: Crinum Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 01:09:35 +0000 (UTC) Lamon, I haven't had one come back if it was completely missing the basal plate. I've had them generate new bulbs, usually several, when there was a small piece, less than 10% of the whole, of basal plate remaining.  Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From joycemiller843@gmail.com Fri, 27 Jul 2018 20:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <5b5bd259.1c69fb81.18695.1300@mx.google.com> From: Joyce Miller Subject: Water germination method Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 19:18:01 -0700 I had sowing successes with a variation of the water method. I would sow the seeds in say a 4 I pot widely spaced. The the seeds were covered lightly and the pot was placed deep saucer of water. I waited until the radical appeared followed by the cotyledon. At that time, the pot was removed from the saucer of water and allowed to drain. The benefit of this was that I did not have to prick out the seedlings for up to two years. Best, Joyce Miller, Gresham, Oregon, USA Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Rimmer deVries Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 3:21 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Cc: Janet Loyd Subject: Re: [pbs] Water germination method Hi Janet I use small plastic ketchup containers you get at various fast food places or deli containers (with a lid). Pierce the center of the lid with a nail or awl for some air. Fill half way with tap water. Place seed on water, install lid and place in bright location, wait 1-2 weeks. Refresh water if cloudy. Place germinated seed on seedling mix in a pot placed in a bright location and keep humid or misted. Full sun in summer maybe too much light. If you leave the seed in water longer than just after germination you will need a deeper cup as they grow fast in water. Rimmer deVries South Central Kentucky > On Jul 25, 2018, at 4:42 PM, Janet Loyd via pbs wrote: > > > Ok guys I’d like to judge for myself What is the water method can you explain it? I have a good success rate with zephyranthes but would like better percentage rate & would this method work with other seeds like Asclepius (milkweed)instead of cold stratification? > Sent from Janet’s I phone > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sat, 28 Jul 2018 07:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <758c0332-9b80-23ff-c73b-b8eef743d538@btinternet.com> From: youngs via pbs Subject: International Rock Gardener e-magazine #103 Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2018 14:26:07 +0100 IRG 103 begins with a tour in Sardinia by Gerrit and Iep Eijkelenboom. They encountered good weather and were able to picture a fine range of plants in bloom. Italian islands are somewhat simpler to access than Chile so perhaps not many readers will be able to see the Chilean flora for themselves. The second part of this issue of IRG features the background article by John and Anita Watson on the interesting area which shaped Alstroemeria piperata – as was indicated in the June 2018 IRG issue 102 where the species was described. Download the issue here http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2018Jul261532613984IRG103-July2018.pdf A reminder to all that submissions of article for the IRG are most welcome. Email to  editor@internationalrockgardener.net M. Young _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From gardenbetter@gmail.com Sat, 28 Jul 2018 21:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Shmuel Silinsky Subject: Crinum Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2018 06:55:11 +0300 Basal plate in a bulb is the equivalent of the stem in other plants. Planting leaves (the bulb) may work as a way of propagating, but I would not thing it a way to get a good flowering plant quickly. But I am no Crinum expert. Shmuel Silinsky Jerusalem, Israel Create your own email signature On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 4:09 AM, Tim Eck wrote: > I concur. My understanding is that all growth originates at the basal > plate. > > Tim Eck > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net] On Behalf Of > > Steve Evans via pbs > > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 8:07 PM > > To: Pacific Bulb Society > > Cc: Steve Evans > > Subject: Re: [pbs] Crinum > > > > I have never heard of one growing without the basal plate. In my > experience > > they rot. > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > > On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 18:57, Lamon Ready > > wrote: Serious question. > > > > Ebay seller sold 4 Super Ellen bulbs. A friend dug and shipped for > hospitalized > > seller. > > > > 3 were fine, 1 had basal plate cut off. Seller contends it will grow. I > say it will > > not, but will rot. > > > > They are replacing it, still claiming it will grow. I have searched the > net, but > > found nothing definitive. > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > Thank you! > > > > Lamon Ready > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Lamon Ready > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 1:09 PM > > To: Pacific Bulb Society; Lamon Ready > > Subject: Crinum > > > > > > Hi, > > > > Will crinum bulbs with the basal plate cut off live and grow - thrive? > > > > I bought some and one was minus the plate. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Lamon Ready > > > > Cairo, Ga, USA > > > > Zone 8b > > > > > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= > http%3A%2F%2Flists.paci > > ficbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi- > > bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&data=02%7C01%7C%7C78df95a76b49469 > > ba2ef08d5f185c82f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6 > > 36680479245784070&sdata=igeDMpupFLfZM6Qt9t696zfxczySLp7gGj7PnO5Br > > WM%3D&reserved=0 > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From randysgarden@gmail.com Sat, 28 Jul 2018 21:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Randall P. Linke" Subject: Crinum Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2018 21:05:13 -0700 Bulb cuttings, with a portion of the basal plate, is a way to relatively quickly produce a large (depending on the species) number of clonal propogars from a bulb. The resulting plants will flower about the same time, sometimes a year sooner, than seed grown plants. The advantage, from the nursery trade perspective, is that all the plants are clones that will be identical to the parent. On Sat, Jul 28, 2018, 8:55 PM Shmuel Silinsky wrote: > Basal plate in a bulb is the equivalent of the stem in other plants. > Planting leaves (the bulb) may work as a way of propagating, but I would > not thing it a way to get a good flowering plant quickly. But I am no > Crinum expert. > > Shmuel Silinsky > Jerusalem, Israel > Create your own email signature > < > https://www.wisestamp.com/signature-in-email?utm_source=promotion&utm_medium=signature&utm_campaign=create_your_own > > > > On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 4:09 AM, Tim Eck wrote: > > > I concur. My understanding is that all growth originates at the basal > > plate. > > > > Tim Eck > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net] On Behalf > Of > > > Steve Evans via pbs > > > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 8:07 PM > > > To: Pacific Bulb Society > > > Cc: Steve Evans > > > Subject: Re: [pbs] Crinum > > > > > > I have never heard of one growing without the basal plate. In my > > experience > > > they rot. > > > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 18:57, Lamon Ready > > > wrote: Serious question. > > > > > > Ebay seller sold 4 Super Ellen bulbs. A friend dug and shipped for > > hospitalized > > > seller. > > > > > > 3 were fine, 1 had basal plate cut off. Seller contends it will grow. I > > say it will > > > not, but will rot. > > > > > > They are replacing it, still claiming it will grow. I have searched the > > net, but > > > found nothing definitive. > > > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > > > Thank you! > > > > > > Lamon Ready > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Lamon Ready > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 1:09 PM > > > To: Pacific Bulb Society; Lamon Ready > > > Subject: Crinum > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Will crinum bulbs with the basal plate cut off live and grow - thrive? > > > > > > I bought some and one was minus the plate. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > Lamon Ready > > > > > > Cairo, Ga, USA > > > > > > Zone 8b > > > > > > > > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= > > http%3A%2F%2Flists.paci > > > ficbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi- > > > bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&data=02%7C01%7C%7C78df95a76b49469 > > > ba2ef08d5f185c82f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6 > > > 36680479245784070&sdata=igeDMpupFLfZM6Qt9t696zfxczySLp7gGj7PnO5Br > > > WM%3D&reserved=0 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > pbs mailing list > > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > pbs mailing list > > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From lyndonpenner@gmail.com Sun, 29 Jul 2018 15:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Lyndon Penner Subject: Glacier Lilies Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2018 16:15:33 -0600 Hello there! I am looking for either seeds or bulbs of both *Nomocharis* and *Notholirion*. Could anyone help me out? I also have seeds- freshly collected in the wild yesterday here in southwestern Alberta- for our native glacier lily (*Erythronium grandiflorum*) in case anyone is interested. Let me know. -Lyndon Penner _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jgglatt@gmail.com Mon, 30 Jul 2018 10:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Judy Glattstein Subject: Mirabilis jalapa Cultivars Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 12:45:24 -0400 I got some seed of Mirabilis jalapa cultivars from Select Seed. They've reached flowering size and I'm rather pleased. Growing in pots, three to a container but anticipate that next year they'll want pots of their own. I had M. jalapa 'Limelight' years ago but somehow lost it. The chartreuse leaves and vivid magenta flowers are quite nice. 'Orange Crush' makes a good pairing with hemerocallis in appropriate colors, and also looks good near Canna 'Tropicana'. 'Alba' is a good clean white, sets off white variegated pelargonium. Now to figure out how to tag them for winter dormancy, avoiding a "mix and match" situation. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: BelleWood in Bloom_2018-07_Mirabilis jalapa Limelight.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 84414 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: BelleWood in Bloom_2018-07_Mirabilis jalapa Orange Crush.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 143584 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: BelleWood in Bloom_2018-07_Mirabilis jalapa Orange Crush-closeup.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 95791 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: BelleWood in Bloom_2018-07_Mirabilis jalapa Alba.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 98408 bytes Desc: not available URL: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Mon, 30 Jul 2018 11:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: Mirabilis jalapa Cultivars Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 12:30:10 -0500 Thanks Judy for sharing these pix. Havent seen ‘Orange Crush’ before, but very nice. Are these hardy for you? Planning on digging and storing? I ued to see of these sold as dormant ‘tubers’ in the spring, but not so much any more. Best Jim On Jul 30, 2018, at 11:45 AM, Judy Glattstein wrote: I got some seed of Mirabilis jalapa cultivars from Select Seed. They've reached flowering size and I'm rather pleased. Growing in pots, three to a container but anticipate that next year they'll want pots of their own. 'Orange Crush' makes a good pairing with hemerocallis in appropriate colors, and also looks good near Canna 'Tropicana'. Dr. James Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 USA Phone 816-746-1949 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From eez55@earthlink.net Mon, 30 Jul 2018 13:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1058771075.10445.1532980268664@wamui-jasmine.atl.sa.earthlink.net> From: Eugene Zielinski Subject: Glacier Lilies (+ sources of Nomocharis seed) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 12:51:08 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Lyndon. Some of the Rock Garden Societies (North American, Scottish, etc.) offer garden collected seeds of Nomocharis (and probably Notholirion) from time to time. If you're interested in commercial sources, you can look at the Chinese Alpines website. They offer wild collected seed of some Nomocharis species as well as a number of Chinese Lilium species. They should have a new seed list this fall. They do not ship to the USA but I believe they still ship to Canada. Eugene Zielinski Prescott Valley, Arizona USA -----Original Message----- >From: Lyndon Penner >Sent: Jul 29, 2018 3:15 PM >To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >Subject: [pbs] Glacier Lilies > >Hello there! > >I am looking for either seeds or bulbs of both *Nomocharis* and >*Notholirion*. Could anyone help me out? >... >-Lyndon Penner >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jgglatt@gmail.com Tue, 31 Jul 2018 06:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <2af48dc1-a7ed-683a-cb12-b7ddc6964c21@gmail.com> From: Judy Glattstein Subject: Winter Storage of Mirabilis Etc. Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 09:09:46 -0400 Who knows what winter weather will be. Could be mild, could be frigid. Besides, since the Mirabilis are in pots for sure they would be risky outdoors. I suppose I could just bring the pots indoors and line them up on shelves in the basement. Along with the eucomis - E. pole-evansii, E. autumnalis, E. comosa / punctata.  The ismene / hymenocallis  are multiplying by offsets so rampantly that it begins to be annoying. Oxalis regnellii. In other words - crowded. The various canna - Tropicana, Bengal Tiger / Pretoria, C. musafolia, C. flaccida Purpurea get dug, boxed, stored in the garage. My huge Mirabilis longiflora gets dragged, pot and all, into the garage too. What all does anyone else with a case of zone denial do for the winter? And, just to entertain you, here's images of the E. pole-evansii. 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Same here - in boxes in the basement, pots in cooler area of the house. Crowded. Plumeria tree, lemon trees, and many others are in the large room at the back of the house with windows and sun. Luminita On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 8:09 AM, Judy Glattstein wrote: > Who knows what winter weather will be. Could be mild, could be frigid. > Besides, since the Mirabilis are in pots for sure they would be risky > outdoors. > > I suppose I could just bring the pots indoors and line them up on shelves > in the basement. Along with the eucomis - E. pole-evansii, E. autumnalis, > E. comosa / punctata. The ismene / hymenocallis are multiplying by > offsets so rampantly that it begins to be annoying. Oxalis regnellii. In > other words - crowded. > > The various canna - Tropicana, Bengal Tiger / Pretoria, C. musafolia, C. > flaccida Purpurea get dug, boxed, stored in the garage. My huge Mirabilis > longiflora gets dragged, pot and all, into the garage too. > > What all does anyone else with a case of zone denial do for the winter? > > And, just to entertain you, here's images of the E. pole-evansii. > > Judy in New Jersey where today has sun but then it is supposed to get > rainy again > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: BelleWood in Bloom_2018-07_Eucomis pole-evansii.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 159352 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: attachments/20180731/96d2dda6/attachment.jpg> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: BelleWood in Bloom_2018-07_Canna Bengal Tiger, abutilon, eucomis.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 204576 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: attachments/20180731/96d2dda6/attachment-0001.jpg> > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From eez55@earthlink.net Tue, 31 Jul 2018 11:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1468675073.4060.1533057753642@wamui-kristoff.atl.sa.earthlink.net> From: Eugene Zielinski Subject: Winter Storage of Mirabilis Etc. Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 10:22:33 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Judy. In my limited experience, I've found that Mirabilis jalapa tubers tolerate dry storage indoors better than Dahlias -- even small (2 inch/5 cm) tubers. Eugene Zielinski Prescott Valley, Arizona USA -----Original Message----- >From: Judy Glattstein >Sent: Jul 31, 2018 6:09 AM >To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >Subject: [pbs] Winter Storage of Mirabilis Etc. > >Who knows what winter weather will be. Could be mild, could be frigid. >Besides, since the Mirabilis are in pots for sure they would be risky >outdoors. > >I suppose I could just bring the pots indoors and line them up on >shelves in the basement... _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs