Vancouver titan arum

Nikki Doherty tanikdoherty@gmail.com
Wed, 11 Jul 2018 20:27:01 PDT
For those near me, Vancouver's Bloedel Conservatory has a corpse flower
that will open any day!

https://vancouver.ca/parks-recreation-culture/…

Nikki Doherty

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>    1. Re: California Peonies (Anne McNeil)
>    2. Re: California Peonies (Anne McNeil)
>    3. Oxalis disticha (Johannes Ulrich Urban)
>    4. Re: Paeonia californica (Hannon)
>    5. Re: Hyacinthoides hispanica subsp. algeriensis (oooOIOooo)
>    6. Allium with bulbils (Kathleen Sayce)
>    7. Re: Allium with bulbils (Tim Eck)
>    8. Alliums (sun-coast-pearl)
>    9. Re: Alliums (Lesley Richardson)
>   10. Re: Paeonia californica (Makiko Goto-Widerman)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 07:32:15 -0700
> From: Anne McNeil <amcdeubner@gmail.com>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] California Peonies
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> Hi George,
> I sink the pots so the soil in the pot is at the same level as the soil in
> the surrounding ground with the pot lip sticking up an inch or two so I can
> water well. I use a peat mixed with any potting soil and a little sand to
> facilitate drainage. I have a volcanic silty sand surrounding the pots (my
> poor volcanic soil) so the seeds never are sitting in water. The mixture
> doesn't seem as important as keeping the seeds in the ground. If I didn't
> have freezing temps I would put the seeds in the freezer for a 6-8 weeks
> after they are moist. That breaks down the seed coat as well as the heat in
> the summer before. I was surprised how easily they all sprouted and their
> survival. These plants grow in the harsh high desert conditions with high
> winds, hot summers with cool nights and freezing with some snow. They are
> hardy beings.
>
> The Sculpture Garden is an amazing place in an amazing setting. If the
> winds are right Kokopelli's flute plays. The artist lives on site. When one
> visits you are usually the only person around and it is all the more
> powerful.
>
> Anne
>
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 7:02 AM, George Goldsmith <g_goldsmith@hotmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Joe,
> >
> > Thank you for this thorough description for addressing seed treatment.  I
> > appreciate your help and the time you took to pen your reply.  Thanks
> again.
> >
> > George
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net] On Behalf Of
> > Joe G
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 5:05 AM
> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> > Subject: Re: [pbs] California Peonies
> >
> > The treatment I've been using (for species tree peonies) is to remove the
> > radicle end of the seed coat (carefully!), cold moist stratify until the
> > radicle forms, then soaking in giberillic acid and sowing the seeds
> > normally. I've read about folks simply scarifying, soaking in GA-3, and
> > stratifying, as well as all other manner of pretreatment (soaking in
> > rubbing alcohol, soaking in indoleacetic acid, anaerobic fermentation,
> > maybe a combination of all of the above!)
> >
> > -joe
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018, 12:49 AM John Wickham <jwickham@sbcglobal.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > George,
> > > Seeds require treatment. They have a very tough outer coat that should
> > > be nicked to allow for better germination. There are other treatments
> > > that may be effective too.
> > >
> > > If you can't find seed, Las Pilitas in Santa Margarita sells plants.
> > > John Wickham
> > >
> > >     On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 8:56 PM, George Goldsmith <
> > > g_goldsmith@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >  I'm writing to see if anyone on the list has had experience growing
> > > either of the two California native peonies, Paeonia brownii or
> > > Paeonia californica.  If so, can you provide any guidance on growing
> > > these from seed?  Also, if anyone is aware of sources for seeds for
> > > these two plants, that would be helpful also.  Thank you.
> > >
> > > George Goldsmith
> > > (33.998702, -117.797542)
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 07:33:34 -0700
> From: Anne McNeil <amcdeubner@gmail.com>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] California Peonies
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> Oh I forgot to address some of your questions, no fertilizer, no top
> covering, I bury the seeds about two inches.
>
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 7:32 AM, Anne McNeil <amcdeubner@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi George,
> > I sink the pots so the soil in the pot is at the same level as the soil
> in
> > the surrounding ground with the pot lip sticking up an inch or two so I
> can
> > water well. I use a peat mixed with any potting soil and a little sand to
> > facilitate drainage. I have a volcanic silty sand surrounding the pots
> (my
> > poor volcanic soil) so the seeds never are sitting in water. The mixture
> > doesn't seem as important as keeping the seeds in the ground. If I didn't
> > have freezing temps I would put the seeds in the freezer for a 6-8 weeks
> > after they are moist. That breaks down the seed coat as well as the heat
> in
> > the summer before. I was surprised how easily they all sprouted and their
> > survival. These plants grow in the harsh high desert conditions with high
> > winds, hot summers with cool nights and freezing with some snow. They are
> > hardy beings.
> >
> > The Sculpture Garden is an amazing place in an amazing setting. If the
> > winds are right Kokopelli's flute plays. The artist lives on site. When
> one
> > visits you are usually the only person around and it is all the more
> > powerful.
> >
> > Anne
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 7:02 AM, George Goldsmith <
> g_goldsmith@hotmail.com
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> Joe,
> >>
> >> Thank you for this thorough description for addressing seed treatment.
> I
> >> appreciate your help and the time you took to pen your reply.  Thanks
> again.
> >>
> >> George
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net] On Behalf
> Of
> >> Joe G
> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 5:05 AM
> >> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [pbs] California Peonies
> >>
> >> The treatment I've been using (for species tree peonies) is to remove
> the
> >> radicle end of the seed coat (carefully!), cold moist stratify until the
> >> radicle forms, then soaking in giberillic acid and sowing the seeds
> >> normally. I've read about folks simply scarifying, soaking in GA-3, and
> >> stratifying, as well as all other manner of pretreatment (soaking in
> >> rubbing alcohol, soaking in indoleacetic acid, anaerobic fermentation,
> >> maybe a combination of all of the above!)
> >>
> >> -joe
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018, 12:49 AM John Wickham <jwickham@sbcglobal.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > George,
> >> > Seeds require treatment. They have a very tough outer coat that should
> >> > be nicked to allow for better germination. There are other treatments
> >> > that may be effective too.
> >> >
> >> > If you can't find seed, Las Pilitas in Santa Margarita sells plants.
> >> > John Wickham
> >> >
> >> >     On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 8:56 PM, George Goldsmith <
> >> > g_goldsmith@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >  I'm writing to see if anyone on the list has had experience growing
> >> > either of the two California native peonies, Paeonia brownii or
> >> > Paeonia californica.  If so, can you provide any guidance on growing
> >> > these from seed?  Also, if anyone is aware of sources for seeds for
> >> > these two plants, that would be helpful also.  Thank you.
> >> >
> >> > George Goldsmith
> >> > (33.998702, -117.797542)
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > pbs mailing list
> >> > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net
> >> > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/…
> >> >
> >> >
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>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 15:56:43 +0100
> From: Johannes Ulrich Urban <johannes-ulrich-urban@t-online.de>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> Subject: [pbs] Oxalis disticha
> Message-ID: <24bb3d8b-0ab5-bb9d-3a44-b19ca04b4b64@t-online.de>
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>
> Hello Joe,
>
> Thank you very much for your research. I was not aware that there are
> Oxalis growing in seasonal pools, so this is the aquatic species I was
> reading about. I am aways fascinated by plants that can grow in between
> extremes, under water at some time and bone dry during dormancy.
>
> But I do not think that the blue flower growing with it is a Romulea.
> Romuleas have single Crocus-like flowers not scapes of tiny flowers like
> the ones on the picture. Does anybody know what the blue flower is?
>
> When I google Romulea aquatica I find these pictures, and also one of
> Oxalis disticha with it but I do not see these flowers (which are
> Romuleas for me) on your picture.
>
>
> https://google.com/search/…
>
> So already three different aquatic bulbs.
>
>
>
> bye and thanks again
>
>
> Uli
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 08:40:04 -0700
> From: Hannon <othonna@gmail.com>
> To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Paeonia californica
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> When I worked at Rancho Santa Ana Botanic Garden we had a crop of P.
> californica. I remember the seeds germinated like kidney beans without any
> treatment, but getting them through their leafless summer dormancy in pots
> was challenging. Watering lightly about every two weeks helped during this
> period; seedlings kept totally dry perished. The mix was well-drained with
> plenty of sand and pumice and a low % of organic matter. Still, after a few
> years we ended up with only one plant in a 1x1x1 foot wooden box.
>
> Recently I planted fresh seeds of P. cambessedesii with zero germination
> over winter. The seeds appear to have a harder coat that the CA native
> species. Maybe they need scarification as someone else mentioned?
>
> Dylan
>
> *"The greatest service which can be rendered any country is to add an
> useful plant to its culture?" --**Thomas Jefferson*
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:27:48 -0400
> From: oooOIOooo <oooOIOooo@protonmail.ch>
> To: "pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net"
>         <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Hyacinthoides hispanica subsp. algeriensis
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> I planted healthy bulbs of the common garden Hyacinthodes one fall. They
> struggled to send up small deformed leaves the following spring, but no
> flowers. The leaves soon withered and I never saw them again.
>
> Many plants feared elsewhere are never going to become invasive pests in
> central Arizona. A few winter-growing annuals have become pests in the wild
> here. I agree with the thought of offering potentially invasive plants with
> a disclaimer.
>
> Leo Martin
> Phoenix Arizona USA
> Zone 9?
>
> ?Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.?
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 10:21:53 -0700
> From: Kathleen Sayce <kathleen.sayce@gmail.com>
> To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net
> Subject: [pbs] Allium with bulbils
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> Surveying a coastal prairie that spent decades as a dairy and then cattle
> ranch, I found this allium last summer. 18-24 inches tall, no flowers, just
> a head of bulbils, about 1.5-2 inches across. Is there a way to identify
> this plant to species? It is now owned by a conservation group, which plans
> to remove it over the next few years.
>
> Kathleen
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 14:42:50 -0400
> From: "Tim Eck" <teck11@embarqmail.com>
> To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Allium with bulbils
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> I don't see a link but it sounds like Egyptian or walking onions.
>
> Tim Eck
>
> "Time is nature's way of preventing everything from happening at once."
> Anon.
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net] On Behalf Of
> > Kathleen Sayce
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 1:22 PM
> > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net
> > Subject: [pbs] Allium with bulbils
> >
> > Surveying a coastal prairie that spent decades as a dairy and then cattle
> > ranch, I found this allium last summer. 18-24 inches tall, no flowers,
> just a
> > head of bulbils, about 1.5-2 inches across. Is there a way to identify
> this plant
> > to species? It is now owned by a conservation group, which plans to
> remove
> it
> > over the next few years.
> >
> > Kathleen
> >
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> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 13:52:49 -0700
> From: sun-coast-pearl <sun-coast-pearl@telus.net>
> To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net
> Subject: [pbs] Alliums
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> The only allium I know of like that is the Egyptian walking onion. I grew
> these for years, and they are a top set onion with only bulbiles. The only
> coastal "prairie" I know of is the endangered garry oak ecosystem in BC.
> This coastal dryland has 2 wild alliums that I know of? -- hookers onion,?
> and the edible nodding onion (A. ceruum). Both of these have flowering
> umbrels. California has several wild onions, but I have not seen any of
> these in the wild.?Jo CanningVancouver IslandSent from my Galaxy Tab? A
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 15:28:06 -0700
> From: Lesley Richardson <lesleykayrichardson@gmail.com>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Alliums
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> I am currently growing the edible, nodding onion on the side of a mountain
> in a very cold winter, specialized, Mediterranean climate. All the bulbs
> survived their first winter, encased in a chicken wire cage to keep the
> numerous rodents out. I am also growing Garry oaks, but they have had a
> hard time surviving. I have three decent ones left now. But those appear to
> be making it after 4 years. I was hoping to establish an oak woodland. Will
> get more oaks in another year.
> Lesley
>
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 1:52 PM, sun-coast-pearl <
> sun-coast-pearl@telus.net>
> wrote:
>
> > The only allium I know of like that is the Egyptian walking onion. I grew
> > these for years, and they are a top set onion with only bulbiles. The
> only
> > coastal "prairie" I know of is the endangered garry oak ecosystem in BC.
> > This coastal dryland has 2 wild alliums that I know of  -- hookers onion,
> > and the edible nodding onion (A. ceruum). Both of these have flowering
> > umbrels. California has several wild onions, but I have not seen any of
> > these in the wild. Jo CanningVancouver IslandSent from my Galaxy Tab? A
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> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 16:17:43 -0700
> From: Makiko Goto-Widerman <mfdgardenclub@gmail.com>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Paeonia californica
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> Dylan,
>
> I agree that P. californica is difficult to grow. It was much easier to
> germinate to compare with the Mediterranean peonies which
> needs two years to germinate, but it is challenging to go through to
> flowering stage.
>
> Their tubular type root will keep water during hot summer.
>
>
>
> *Makiko Goto-Widerman*
> Makiko Floral Design Garden Club 501 c 3
> One Market Spear Tower 36F
> San Francisco, CA 94105
> (415) 293-8132
> MFDgardenclub@gmail.com
> *http://www.mfdgardenclub.us/ <http://www.mfdgardenclub.us/>*
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 8:40 AM, Hannon <othonna@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > When I worked at Rancho Santa Ana Botanic Garden we had a crop of P.
> > californica. I remember the seeds germinated like kidney beans without
> any
> > treatment, but getting them through their leafless summer dormancy in
> pots
> > was challenging. Watering lightly about every two weeks helped during
> this
> > period; seedlings kept totally dry perished. The mix was well-drained
> with
> > plenty of sand and pumice and a low % of organic matter. Still, after a
> few
> > years we ended up with only one plant in a 1x1x1 foot wooden box.
> >
> > Recently I planted fresh seeds of P. cambessedesii with zero germination
> > over winter. The seeds appear to have a harder coat that the CA native
> > species. Maybe they need scarification as someone else mentioned?
> >
> > Dylan
> >
> > *"The greatest service which can be rendered any country is to add an
> > useful plant to its culture?" --**Thomas Jefferson*
> > _______________________________________________
> > pbs mailing list
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