pbs Digest, Vol 21, Issue 8

Elaine Jek elainej@gmail.com
Mon, 12 Nov 2018 05:35:18 PST
Thanks everyone for responding with interesting stories and articles about
Snowflakes(Leucojum aestivum)! If anyone has more info and folktales, do
please send to me elainej@gmail.com. It'll be much appreciated!

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 5:17 AM Ben Zonneveld <ben.zonneveld@naturalis.nl>
wrote:

> It does not explain the leucojum question but the following might be of
> interest:
> My father used to name snowdrops in dutch: Vastenavond zotjes translated
> shrove tuesday? fools.
> I think this is because they were so foolish to appear above ground so
> early in the year (My explanation). From that summer fools for leucojum
> seems to be derived I have never heard it in The Netherlands. Zomer klokjes
> is the usual dutch name (translated Summer bells) although they flower in
> spring!
> Ben Zonneveld
>
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> Op ma 12 nov. 2018 om 13:00 schreef <
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> >    1. Re: Bulbs on sale (Diana Chapman)
> >    2. Re: Bulbs on sale (James Waddick)
> >    3. Donations from bulb sale (Diana Chapman)
> >    4. Leucojum aestivum lore (Elaine Jek)
> >    5. Re: Leucojum aestivum lore (Arnold Trachtenberg)
> >    6. Re: Leucojum aestivum lore (Jim McKenney)
> >    7. Re: Leucojum aestivum lore (mark smyth)
> >    8. Re: Leucojum aestivum lore (Peter Franks)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 07:55:50 -0800
> > From: Diana Chapman <rarebulbs@suddenlink.net>
> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Bulbs on sale
> > Message-ID: <bb1195e1-3be4-4672-ec62-6474051cc098@suddenlink.net>
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> > All proceeds from the bulb sale are being donated to help the victims of
> > the Camp fire in Paradise, California.
> >
> > I used to live very close to the town of Paradise, and knew many people
> > who lived there.? I go back every year to that area to collect seeds,
> > and the native bulb enthusiasts who have bought from me undoubtedly have
> > bulbs that came from seed from the area. The bulbs will survive.? The
> > community is gone.
> >
> > So with the sale, you get bulbs, the victims get some help, albeit a
> > tiny drop in the enormous ocean of help needed.? If you can, donate
> > directly, to the American Red Cross, or to local charities who are on
> > the ground helping.? You can find them by Googling how to help victims
> > of the Camp fire.
> >
> > Diana Chapman
> > Telos Rare Bulbs
> >
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> > > Telos Rare Bulbs is having a sale:? http://www.telosrarebulbs.com/
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 11:53:13 -0600
> > From: James Waddick <jwaddick@kc.rr.com>
> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Bulbs on sale
> > Message-ID: <C990304F-4946-4D87-8A8F-94CB002E3DEB@kc.rr.com>
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> > Dear PBS friends -
> >
> >         I did not coordinate with Diana, but her offer is an excellent
> way
> > to aid the people suffering in the CA fires, but also get you new bulbs.
> I
> > am willing to bet that if you added $20 or more to your order and asked
> for
> > this money to go  to these same local charities she?d be very willing and
> > you?d feel much better. And she is having a sale, too.
> >
> >         Jim W..
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Nov 11, 2018, at 9:55 AM, Diana Chapman <rarebulbs@suddenlink.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > All proceeds from the bulb sale are being donated to help the victims of
> > the Camp fire in Paradise, California.
> >
> > I used to live very close to the town of Paradise, and knew many people
> > who lived there.  I go back every year to that area to collect seeds, and
> > the native bulb enthusiasts who have bought from me undoubtedly have
> bulbs
> > that came from seed from the area. The bulbs will survive.  The community
> > is gone.
> >
> > So with the sale, you get bulbs, the victims get some help, albeit a tiny
> > drop in the enormous ocean of help needed.  If you can, donate directly,
> to
> > the American Red Cross, or to local charities who are on the ground
> > helping.  You can find them by Googling how to help victims of the Camp
> > fire.
> >
> > Diana Chapman
> > Telos Rare Bulbs
> >
> >
> > > Telos Rare Bulbs is having a sale:  http://www.telosrarebulbs.com/
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 10:29:05 -0800
> > From: Diana Chapman <rarebulbs@suddenlink.net>
> > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net
> > Subject: [pbs] Donations from bulb sale
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> > The first donation of? $300 has been sent to the North Valley Community
> > Foundation, specifically to help the evacuees of the fire.? More orders
> > have come in, and I will keep you posted.? Their link is:
> > https://nvcf.org/fund/…
> >
> > Diana
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 18:43:51 -0800
> > From: Elaine Jek <elainej@gmail.com>
> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> > Subject: [pbs] Leucojum aestivum lore
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> >
> > I thought all flowers have a story or cultural significance associated
> with
> > them. For example, a red rose means love.
> >
> > I've been trying to find a 'flower meaning' for the Leucojum aestivum,
> > commonly called summer snowflake or Loddon lily, and haven't found
> anything
> > on the internet. (There's tons of associations for snowdrop but not the
> > snowflake.)
> >
> > It's the most charming thing in my garden right now.
> >
> > Would anyone here know?
> >
> > If no one knows, lets suggest a significance and which trait of the
> flower
> > inspired it, just for fun. Or maybe I'll come up with a story. :-)
> >
> > Elaine.
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 03:47:18 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: Arnold Trachtenberg <arnold140@verizon.net>
> > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net
> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Leucojum aestivum lore
> > Message-ID: <2059506372.763604.1541994438236@mail.yahoo.com>
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> > Elaine:
> > In John Bryan's book, Manual of Bulbs he states
> > "Leucojum from Greek Leukos meaning white and ion relating to violet
> > referring to the delicate fragrance.
> > aestivum? Greek "of summer"
> > ArnoldNew Jersey
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Elaine Jek <elainej@gmail.com>
> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> > Sent: Sun, Nov 11, 2018 9:44 pm
> > Subject: [pbs] Leucojum aestivum lore
> >
> > I thought all flowers have a story or cultural significance associated
> with
> > them. For example, a red rose means love.
> >
> > I've been trying to find a 'flower meaning' for the Leucojum aestivum,
> > commonly called summer snowflake or Loddon lily, and haven't found
> anything
> > on the internet. (There's tons of associations for snowdrop but not the
> > snowflake.)
> >
> > It's the most charming thing in my garden right now.
> >
> > Would anyone here know?
> >
> > If no one knows, lets suggest a significance and which trait of the
> flower
> > inspired it, just for fun. Or maybe I'll come up with a story. :-)
> >
> > Elaine.
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> > Message: 6
> > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 03:48:55 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: Jim McKenney <jamesamckenney@verizon.net>
> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Leucojum aestivum lore
> > Message-ID: <987306898.696850.1541994535649@mail.yahoo.com>
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> >
> > Elaine, this does not answer your question, but I think it is
> interesting.
> > The name Leucojum is derived from the classical Greek words for "white"
> and
> > "violet" .?But here's what I find interesting: in German, the very
> similar
> > word Levkoje is used for the flower known in English as stocks (genus
> > Matthiola). The German word is also based on the Greek "white violet". I
> > have not found out when Levkoje was introduced in German. I didn't see it
> > in the Fuchs herbal. The modern German word for Leucojum is
> > Knotenblume.?Jim McKenney
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 06:50:12 -0000
> > From: "mark smyth" <mark@marksgardenplants.com>
> > To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Leucojum aestivum lore
> > Message-ID: <001801d47a53$f8f2e850$ead8b8f0$@marksgardenplants.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > St. Agnes flower in one of my books
> >
> > I thought all flowers have a story or cultural significance associated
> with
> >
> > them. For example, a red rose means love.
> >
> > I've been trying to find a 'flower meaning' for the Leucojum aestivum,
> >
> > commonly called summer snowflake or Loddon lily, and haven't found
> anything
> >
> > on the internet. (There's tons of associations for snowdrop but not the
> >
> > snowflake.)
> >
> > It's the most charming thing in my garden right now.
> >
> > Would anyone here know?
> >
> > If no one knows, lets suggest a significance and which trait of the
> flower
> >
> > inspired it, just for fun. Or maybe I'll come up with a story. :-)
> >
> > Elaine.
> >
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> > Message: 8
> > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 17:51:17 +1100
> > From: "Peter Franks" <peter.scaevola@gmail.com>
> > To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Leucojum aestivum lore
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> >
> > Hi Elaine,
> >
> > Here's an extract from "Flowers and their Histories" [Alice M Coats,
> 1956,
> > p. 141] "Gerard and Parkinson called it [L. aestivum] Early Summer Fooles
> > or
> > Summer Sottekins - a name derived from the Dutch. I do not know the
> > explanation, unless it is that the plant fools us by looking like a
> > snowdrop
> > in May."
> >
> > I've checked in Stern's "Snowdrops and Snowflakes" [1954] with no luck.
> > Same
> > result from Farrer's "English Rock Garden".
> >
> > I hope this is of some interest
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Peter Franks
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pbs <pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> On Behalf Of Elaine
> > Jek
> > Sent: Monday, 12 November 2018 1:44 PM
> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> > Subject: [pbs] Leucojum aestivum lore
> >
> > I thought all flowers have a story or cultural significance associated
> with
> > them. For example, a red rose means love.
> >
> > I've been trying to find a 'flower meaning' for the Leucojum aestivum,
> > commonly called summer snowflake or Loddon lily, and haven't found
> anything
> > on the internet. (There's tons of associations for snowdrop but not the
> > snowflake.)
> >
> > It's the most charming thing in my garden right now.
> >
> > Would anyone here know?
> >
> > If no one knows, lets suggest a significance and which trait of the
> flower
> > inspired it, just for fun. Or maybe I'll come up with a story. :-)
> >
> > Elaine.
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