From msittner@mcn.org Sat, 01 Sep 2018 16:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <8caa336c-1409-879f-e0d0-f3341ff30494@mcn.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Cyrtanthus sanguineus Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2018 15:40:03 -0700 After not flowering for years after being taken down by the Narcissus Bulb Fly and then probably not getting the care it needed, today I was thrilled to see a single flower in my greenhouse. We were fortunate to go on a trip led by Cameron McMaster to the Eastern Cape in 2010. Labeled the "Friends Trip" there were five of us from California including my husband and Bob and Marlene Werra, and five from South Africa including Rhoda McMaster, Rod and Rachel Saunders, John Manning and Ted Oliver, an Erica expert. You can imagine how lucky we were. Every night we'd look at Cameron's photos of what we saw that day and listen to the experts discuss what they were. And then we would vote for the flower of the day. On my birthday, a particularly wonderful day for orchids and Proteas, Cameron let me extend that to four favorites. At the end of the trip we voted for the flower of the trip and it was Cyrtanthus sanguineus. Rod wrote a nice piece in the IBSA bulletin about what a find it was and how excited he had been at the discovery. I added some photos to the wiki at the time, but maybe some day I'll replace them with larger ones. We had a size limit at the time. https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/CyrtanthusSpeciesFour#sanguineus It has special meaning to me for it to flower again, especially as I hear another suspect has been arrested in Holland. It brought back a good memory of a very special day and an exciting find. Attached is a photo of Cameron, Rod, and Rachel surveying the scene. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Rachel-Rod-CameronCyrtanthus.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 364077 bytes Desc: not available URL: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From andrew@avonia.com Sat, 01 Sep 2018 19:17:01 -0700 Message-Id: From: Andrew Subject: Cyrtanthus sanguineus Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2018 19:08:45 -0700 That’s a great story, Mary Sue. It’s obviously such a wonderful memory. And Cyrtanthus sanguineus is such a wonderful species. Mine are still in bloom since the end of July. Andrew > On Sep 1, 2018, at 3:40 PM, Mary Sue Ittner wrote: > > After not flowering for years after being taken down by the Narcissus Bulb Fly and then probably not getting the care it needed, today I was thrilled to see a single flower in my greenhouse. We were fortunate to go on a trip led by Cameron McMaster to the Eastern Cape in 2010. Labeled the "Friends Trip" there were five of us from California including my husband and Bob and Marlene Werra, and five from South Africa including Rhoda McMaster, Rod and Rachel Saunders, John Manning and Ted Oliver, an Erica expert. You can imagine how lucky we were. Every night we'd look at Cameron's photos of what we saw that day and listen to the experts discuss what they were. And then we would vote for the flower of the day. On my birthday, a particularly wonderful day for orchids and Proteas, Cameron let me extend that to four favorites. At the end of the trip we voted for the flower of the trip and it was Cyrtanthus sanguineus. Rod wrote a nice piece in the IBSA bulletin about what a find it was and how excited he had been at the discovery. I added some photos to the wiki at the time, but maybe some day I'll replace them with larger ones. We had a size limit at the time. > > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/CyrtanthusSpeciesFour#sanguineus > > It has special meaning to me for it to flower again, especially as I hear another suspect has been arrested in Holland. It brought back a good memory of a very special day and an exciting find. > > Attached is a photo of Cameron, Rod, and Rachel surveying the scene. > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Rachel-Rod-CameronCyrtanthus.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 364077 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From luca.bove@imevolution.it Sun, 02 Sep 2018 08:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Luca Bove Subject: Cyrtanthus sanguineus Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 16:25:31 +0200 Hi Mary wonderful How long does it take from seed to flower for Cyrtanthus sanguineus? Il giorno dom 2 set 2018 alle ore 00:40 Mary Sue Ittner ha scritto: > After not flowering for years after being taken down by the Narcissus > Bulb Fly and then probably not getting the care it needed, today I was > thrilled to see a single flower in my greenhouse. We were fortunate to > go on a trip led by Cameron McMaster to the Eastern Cape in 2010. > Labeled the "Friends Trip" there were five of us from California > including my husband and Bob and Marlene Werra, and five from South > Africa including Rhoda McMaster, Rod and Rachel Saunders, John Manning > and Ted Oliver, an Erica expert. You can imagine how lucky we were. > Every night we'd look at Cameron's photos of what we saw that day and > listen to the experts discuss what they were. And then we would vote for > the flower of the day. On my birthday, a particularly wonderful day for > orchids and Proteas, Cameron let me extend that to four favorites. At > the end of the trip we voted for the flower of the trip and it was > Cyrtanthus sanguineus. Rod wrote a nice piece in the IBSA bulletin about > what a find it was and how excited he had been at the discovery. I added > some photos to the wiki at the time, but maybe some day I'll replace > them with larger ones. We had a size limit at the time. > > > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/CyrtanthusSpeciesFour#sanguineus > > It has special meaning to me for it to flower again, especially as I > hear another suspect has been arrested in Holland. It brought back a > good memory of a very special day and an exciting find. > > Attached is a photo of Cameron, Rod, and Rachel surveying the scene. > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Rachel-Rod-CameronCyrtanthus.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 364077 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/pipermail/pbs/attachments/20180901/a9998285/attachment.jpg > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sun, 02 Sep 2018 08:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1647320483.2445778.1535900084524@mail.yahoo.com> From: Shawn Pollard via pbs Subject: Buried Amaryllis and Urginea Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 14:54:44 +0000 (UTC) Dear all: Has anyone ever observed Amaryllis belladonna and Urginea maritima flowering when the bulbs are completely buried? When we purchased our home here in Yuma in 2011, I planted Urginea in the front yard and Amaryllis in shadier spots in the back yard. At that time, they were planted with the upper one-quarter to one-third of the bulb exposed. Since then, repeated sandstorms have buried the bulbs and I have basically adjusted my gardening to the increased elevation. The bulbs leaf out every winter, but don't bloom; they do bloom elsewhere in southern Arizona. Is there any hope, or is it time to excavate around them? Shawn Pollard Yuma, AZ _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From vkmyrick@pacbell.net Sun, 02 Sep 2018 09:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <40366A4A-8C2E-49A3-BCFD-3FBFD12E636B@pacbell.net> From: Jack and Val Subject: Buried Amaryllis and Urginea Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 08:32:57 -0700 Shawn, I always bury my Amaryllis belladonna when I plant them and they do fine as far as blooming. They only push out of the ground when they get crowded. Val Myrick Sonora, CA Sierra Foothills at 2,000’ On Sep 2, 2018, at 7:54 AM, Shawn Pollard via pbs wrote: > Dear all: > > Has anyone ever observed Amaryllis belladonna and Urginea maritima flowering when the bulbs are completely buried? > > When we purchased our home here in Yuma in 2011, I planted Urginea in the front yard and Amaryllis in shadier spots in the back yard. At that time, they were planted with the upper one-quarter to one-third of the bulb exposed. Since then, repeated sandstorms have buried the bulbs and I have basically adjusted my gardening to the increased elevation. The bulbs leaf out every winter, but don't bloom; they do bloom elsewhere in southern Arizona. > > Is there any hope, or is it time to excavate around them? > > Shawn Pollard > Yuma, AZ > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From guylep@hotmail.com Sun, 02 Sep 2018 09:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: guy l'eplattenier Subject: Buried Amaryllis and Urginea Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 15:50:42 +0000 Dear Shawn, 300 bulbs of Urginea maritima are blooming now around my olive farm in southern Catalonia (Spain) in a very dry Mediterranean climate. They were already here when I bought the old farm, probably for a very long time, they have naturalised on and on, and they still do so. Most of them have the neck at ground level, some are a bit out and some a bit deeper in the dry leaves. They all bloom well, maybe better if they have a long and dry summer rest and a bake. Maybe if they are too deep, they do not get enough heat to bloom? For Amaryllis belladonna, only one blooming now, maybe mine are also too deep or too dry in winter? Hope it may help you Regards Guy L’Eplattenier/ el Perelló/ zone 9 Obtenez Outlook pour iOS ________________________________ De : 1467173040e la part de Envoyé : dimanche, septembre 2, 2018 4:54 PM À : Pacific Bulb Society Cc : Shawn Pollard Objet : [pbs] Buried Amaryllis and Urginea Dear all: Has anyone ever observed Amaryllis belladonna and Urginea maritima flowering when the bulbs are completely buried? When we purchased our home here in Yuma in 2011, I planted Urginea in the front yard and Amaryllis in shadier spots in the back yard. At that time, they were planted with the upper one-quarter to one-third of the bulb exposed. Since then, repeated sandstorms have buried the bulbs and I have basically adjusted my gardening to the increased elevation. The bulbs leaf out every winter, but don't bloom; they do bloom elsewhere in southern Arizona. Is there any hope, or is it time to excavate around them? Shawn Pollard Yuma, AZ _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From david@davidpilling.com Sun, 02 Sep 2018 10:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: David Pilling Subject: Cyrtanthus sanguineus Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 17:27:31 +0100 Hi, On 02/09/2018 15:25, Luca Bove wrote: > How long does it take from seed to flower for Cyrtanthus sanguineus? From the wiki page: "Photo 1 is of Silverhill seed on a 10 mm grid in July 2008; 2 and 3 are of the first time the resulting plant bloomed in September 2013" That's in the North of England, and I lost most of them to the very cold Winter in 2009. It is a very nice flower. -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From lyndonpenner@gmail.com Sun, 02 Sep 2018 12:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Lyndon Penner Subject: Starflower Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 13:13:19 -0600 I wonder if anyone might have any of those little teeny-tiny bulbs from starflower (*Trientalis*) to send me or possibly trade. It's so small that it isn't showy, but it IS charming and I would really like to have this plant in my woodland garden. Thanks! -Lyndon _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From Ake.Nordstrom@slu.se Sun, 02 Sep 2018 13:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=C5ke_Nordstr=F6m?= Subject: Starflower Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 19:34:12 +0000 Hi Lyndon! Trientalis europea is a very common species around here in northern Sweden. I guess i could collect some seeds for you, but I don't know if it's ok to send them overseas. /Åke -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net] On Behalf Of Lyndon Penner Sent: den 2 september 2018 21:13 To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Subject: [pbs] Starflower I wonder if anyone might have any of those little teeny-tiny bulbs from starflower (*Trientalis*) to send me or possibly trade. It's so small that it isn't showy, but it IS charming and I would really like to have this plant in my woodland garden. Thanks! -Lyndon _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs --- När du skickar e-post till SLU så innebär detta att SLU behandlar dina personuppgifter. För att läsa mer om hur detta går till, klicka här E-mailing SLU will result in SLU processing your personal data. For more information on how this is done, click here _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sun, 02 Sep 2018 17:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Starflower Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 16:52:10 -0700 Trientalis latifolia is native to my garden and spreads rapidly. I would be glad to send Lyndon some of the tubers, but I didn't hear of much success when I offered them (at no cost) to people who bought bulbs from me when I was doing bulb sales. It seems to be one of those plants that grows well only where it decides to do so. Perhaps there is some ecological factor it needs. Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA On 9/2/2018 12:13 PM, Lyndon Penner wrote: > I wonder if anyone might have any of those little teeny-tiny bulbs from > starflower (*Trientalis*) to send me or possibly trade. It's so small that > it isn't showy, but it IS charming and I would really like to have this > plant in my woodland garden. Thanks! > > -Lyndon > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From rdevries@comcast.net Sun, 02 Sep 2018 18:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <5EBF41BF-F5D9-4B00-A883-9664F26D1E87@comcast.net> From: Rimmer deVries Subject: Starflower Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 19:33:28 -0500 I was able to establish Trientalis latifolia In a peat acid sand bed in South East Michigan. The Trientalis latifolia spread well amongst other plants even when the bed became a hot full sun bed surrounded by gravel when the shade tree overhead died. Rimmer Now in hot humid South Central Kentucky where i saw some Trientalis latifolia came alone for the ride in some of the peat bog beds. > On Sep 2, 2018, at 6:52 PM, Jane McGary wrote: > > Trientalis latifolia is native to my garden and spreads rapidly. I would be glad to send Lyndon some of the tubers, but I didn't hear of much success when I offered them (at no cost) to people who bought bulbs from me when I was doing bulb sales. It seems to be one of those plants that grows well only where it decides to do so. Perhaps there is some ecological factor it needs. > > Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA > > >> On 9/2/2018 12:13 PM, Lyndon Penner wrote: >> I wonder if anyone might have any of those little teeny-tiny bulbs from >> starflower (*Trientalis*) to send me or possibly trade. It's so small that >> it isn't showy, but it IS charming and I would really like to have this >> plant in my woodland garden. Thanks! >> >> -Lyndon >> _______________________________________________ >> > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pendray100@gmail.com Sun, 02 Sep 2018 19:17:01 -0700 Message-Id: From: Carl Pendray Subject: Starflower Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 18:18:06 -0700 The local trientalis is easy to establish in the garden. A small piece roots readily. I have selected out picotee, white, pink forms and extra large flowers. Calvor Palmateer Victoria BC. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 2, 2018, at 5:33 PM, Rimmer deVries wrote: > > I was able to establish Trientalis latifolia > In a peat acid sand bed in South East Michigan. The Trientalis latifolia spread well amongst other plants even when the bed became a hot full sun bed surrounded by gravel when the shade tree overhead died. > > Rimmer > Now in hot humid South Central Kentucky where i saw some Trientalis latifolia came alone for the ride in some of the peat bog beds. > >> On Sep 2, 2018, at 6:52 PM, Jane McGary wrote: >> >> Trientalis latifolia is native to my garden and spreads rapidly. I would be glad to send Lyndon some of the tubers, but I didn't hear of much success when I offered them (at no cost) to people who bought bulbs from me when I was doing bulb sales. It seems to be one of those plants that grows well only where it decides to do so. Perhaps there is some ecological factor it needs. >> >> Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA >> >> >>> On 9/2/2018 12:13 PM, Lyndon Penner wrote: >>> I wonder if anyone might have any of those little teeny-tiny bulbs from >>> starflower (*Trientalis*) to send me or possibly trade. It's so small that >>> it isn't showy, but it IS charming and I would really like to have this >>> plant in my woodland garden. Thanks! >>> >>> -Lyndon >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jgglatt@gmail.com Sun, 02 Sep 2018 21:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <33af676e-4b1b-049e-42f4-963c0eec5ce7@gmail.com> From: Judy Glattstein Subject: Rhodophiala bifida Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 23:32:35 -0400 I tried to convince a couple of pots of Rhodophiala to leap into bloom in time for a garden club flower show on August 22. Of course it did not work - the first pot flowered two days later, and another a couple of days on from that. Time to top-dress all the other pots in the greenhouse, and set them out to be rained upon. And an xAmarcrinum in in bloom also. Judy in New Jersey where summer is still in firm control with humidity and high temperatures -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: BelleWood in Bloom_2018-08_Rhodophiala bifida.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 100170 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: BelleWood in Bloom_2018-08_xAmarcrinum.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 121152 bytes Desc: not available URL: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From michaelcmace@gmail.com Mon, 03 Sep 2018 15:17:01 -0700 Message-Id: <084701d443d1$71a101b0$54e30510$@gmail.com> From: "Michael Mace" Subject: Moraea hybrids update 2018, and a video tour Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 14:59:52 -0700 Folks, If you're not interested in hybrids, move along fast to the next message. I've posted the highlights from my Moraea-hybridizing activity for the year. There were many new flowers, including some interesting color combinations and lots of streaks and dots. I'm also getting closer to a red flower, which is one of my big goals. https://growingcoolplants.blogspot.com/2018/09/new-moraea-hybrids-2018.html Growing these plants in raised beds (technically they're screenhouses) continues to be much more successful for me than pots. I'm up to six beds now (building one a year to hold the new seeds), and they're all performing well. I think the number of blooms in the first bed is starting to decline, and if that continues I'll probably re-dig it in a future summer. But even if they last just six years, it's a lot better than replanting every three years, which is what I had to do with pots. This year I made a video of the plants when they were at peak bloom. You'll see not just hybrids, but video of some of my favorite species, including the rich purple and blue M. gigandra, a bright orange selection of M. neopavonia sold by Gordon Summerfield, a couple of M. tripetala forms, and an unbelievably vivid magenta M. villosa. If you want to visit the growing beds on a bright breezy spring day, here's your chance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW6LzsVoPJg I am glad to share hybrid and species seeds for free if anyone's interested (drop me a note at my address above; do not reply to the list). I'll ask you to make a donation to the PBS so I'm not competing with the seed exchange. As always, I would love to get advice from any other growers or hybridizers. I'm an amateur experimenting more or less at random. And I'm on the lookout for some additional Moraea species that aren't in general cultivation. Please let me know if you have any suggestions. My wish list is here: https://growingcoolplants.blogspot.com/2016/05/moraea-wish-list.html Thanks, Mike San Jose, CA _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Mon, 03 Sep 2018 16:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <165a18fc8ae-1ebb-5cb9@webjas-vab131.srv.aolmail.net> From: ", via pbs" Subject: Moraea hybrids update 2018, and a video tour Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 18:31:19 -0400 They are all beautiful. I don't know how you can pick a favorite, I picked several favorites. I still like the one near the end that looks like it has bumblebees on it. Thanks so much for posting all of this. Carolyn Craft -----Original Message----- From: Michael Mace To: pbs Sent: Mon, Sep 3, 2018 3:00 pm Subject: [pbs] Moraea hybrids update 2018, and a video tour Folks, If you're not interested in hybrids, move along fast to the next message. I've posted the highlights from my Moraea-hybridizing activity for the year. There were many new flowers, including some interesting color combinations and lots of streaks and dots. I'm also getting closer to a red flower, which is one of my big goals. https://growingcoolplants.blogspot.com/2018/09/new-moraea-hybrids-2018.html Growing these plants in raised beds (technically they're screenhouses) continues to be much more successful for me than pots. I'm up to six beds now (building one a year to hold the new seeds), and they're all performing well. I think the number of blooms in the first bed is starting to decline, and if that continues I'll probably re-dig it in a future summer. But even if they last just six years, it's a lot better than replanting every three years, which is what I had to do with pots. This year I made a video of the plants when they were at peak bloom. You'll see not just hybrids, but video of some of my favorite species, including the rich purple and blue M. gigandra, a bright orange selection of M. neopavonia sold by Gordon Summerfield, a couple of M. tripetala forms, and an unbelievably vivid magenta M. villosa. If you want to visit the growing beds on a bright breezy spring day, here's your chance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW6LzsVoPJg I am glad to share hybrid and species seeds for free if anyone's interested (drop me a note at my address above; do not reply to the list). I'll ask you to make a donation to the PBS so I'm not competing with the seed exchange. As always, I would love to get advice from any other growers or hybridizers. I'm an amateur experimenting more or less at random. And I'm on the lookout for some additional Moraea species that aren't in general cultivation. Please let me know if you have any suggestions. My wish list is here: https://growingcoolplants.blogspot.com/2016/05/moraea-wish-list.html Thanks, Mike San Jose, CA _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From codavis@ucdavis.edu Mon, 03 Sep 2018 22:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Colin Davis Subject: Moraea hybrids update 2018, and a video tour Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 22:07:29 -0700 Mike, Wow, that is quite stunning. I do envy your climate down there, Moraea really need those warm summers to come back well in the fall. Phenomenal work, keep it up! On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 3:31 PM , via pbs wrote: > They are all beautiful. I don't know how you can pick a favorite, I > picked several favorites. I still like the one near the end that looks > like it has bumblebees on it. Thanks so much for posting all of this. > Carolyn Craft > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Mace > To: pbs > Sent: Mon, Sep 3, 2018 3:00 pm > Subject: [pbs] Moraea hybrids update 2018, and a video tour > > Folks, > > > > If you're not interested in hybrids, move along fast to the next message. > > > > I've posted the highlights from my Moraea-hybridizing activity for the > year. > There were many new flowers, including some interesting color combinations > and lots of streaks and dots. I'm also getting closer to a red flower, > which > is one of my big goals. > > > > https://growingcoolplants.blogspot.com/2018/09/new-moraea-hybrids-2018.html > > > > Growing these plants in raised beds (technically they're screenhouses) > continues to be much more successful for me than pots. I'm up to six beds > now (building one a year to hold the new seeds), and they're all performing > well. I think the number of blooms in the first bed is starting to decline, > and if that continues I'll probably re-dig it in a future summer. But even > if they last just six years, it's a lot better than replanting every three > years, which is what I had to do with pots. > > > > This year I made a video of the plants when they were at peak bloom. You'll > see not just hybrids, but video of some of my favorite species, including > the rich purple and blue M. gigandra, a bright orange selection of M. > neopavonia sold by Gordon Summerfield, a couple of M. tripetala forms, and > an unbelievably vivid magenta M. villosa. > > > > If you want to visit the growing beds on a bright breezy spring day, here's > your chance: > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW6LzsVoPJg > > > > I am glad to share hybrid and species seeds for free if anyone's interested > (drop me a note at my address above; do not reply to the list). I'll ask > you > to make a donation to the PBS so I'm not competing with the seed exchange. > > > > As always, I would love to get advice from any other growers or > hybridizers. > I'm an amateur experimenting more or less at random. > > > > And I'm on the lookout for some additional Moraea species that aren't in > general cultivation. Please let me know if you have any suggestions. My > wish > list is here: > > > > https://growingcoolplants.blogspot.com/2016/05/moraea-wish-list.html > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mike > > San Jose, CA > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Tue, 04 Sep 2018 07:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <347528017.960891.1536069964274@mail.yahoo.com> From: Shawn Pollard via pbs Subject: Fw: Re: Buried Amaryllis and Urginea Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 14:06:04 +0000 (UTC) > Guy: > > Thank you for the input; I had wondered > if buried Urginea bulbs did not receive sufficient summer > heat to bloom.  However, that is not normally a problem > in Yuma; the ground does not insulate here like it does > elsewhere in the Southwest.  Wherever the summer sun > touches it, temperatures are oven-hot down to at least a > foot.  I lost many bulbs because of this when I first > moved here. > > Shawn Pollard > > > > Dear Shawn, > > 300 bulbs of Urginea maritima > are blooming now around my olive farm > in southern Catalonia > (Spain) in a very dry Mediterranean > climate. They were > already here when I bought the old > farm, probably for a very > long time, they have naturalised >   on and on, and they still do so. > Most of them have the neck at > ground level, some are a bit out and > some a bit deeper in > the dry leaves. They all bloom well, > maybe better if they > have a long and dry summer rest and a > bake. > > Maybe if they are too deep, they > do not get enough heat to bloom? > For > Amaryllis belladonna, only one > blooming now, maybe mine are also too > deep or too dry in > winter? > Hope it may help you > Regards > Guy L’Eplattenier/ el > Perelló/ zone 9 > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From vbouffard55@msn.com Tue, 04 Sep 2018 08:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Vivien Bouffard Subject: Moraea hybrids update 2018, and a video tour Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 14:41:15 +0000 Mike, that photo of you in the garden totally looks like an Impressionist painting! Your moraeas are beautiful collectively as well as individually. Vivien Z6, Mass. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From david@davidpilling.com Tue, 04 Sep 2018 10:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <937e4f5d-b2b7-6de8-6e70-c26a451b5054@davidpilling.com> From: David Pilling Subject: Help with identification Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 17:28:32 +0100 Hi, Anne a botanist from the USA working Guatemala asks for help identifying the photos linked below (just after "scrubbed"). She says " I found an Arum today at the mercado & l'm not sure of the genus. Here are pictures of the plant. Height is 70 cm Spathe is 10 cm I think it's Arisaema dracontium or Green Dragon, but none of the Spathes l can find on line look like this one. I have a rule in my garden that everyone must have a name. An ID will be greatly appreciated. " -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Aaron On Tuesday, September 4, 2018, 11:28:42 AM CDT, David Pilling wrote: Hi, Anne a botanist from the USA working Guatemala asks for help identifying the photos linked below (just after "scrubbed"). She says " I found an Arum today at the mercado & l'm not sure of the genus. Here are pictures of the plant. Height is 70 cm Spathe is 10 cm I think it's Arisaema dracontium  or Green Dragon, but none of the Spathes l can find on line look like this one. I have a rule in my garden that everyone must have a name. An ID will be greatly appreciated. " -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image1.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 140818 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image2.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 121998 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(And for those wondering, the shrub blooming behind it is a Cestrum nocturnum - 2nd major blooming this year; Littletunia Blue Vein Petunia to the right side.) Also have another bloom on the yellow-flowered Zephyranthes minima hybrid (2nd picture). I included a 3rd picture for a size perspective. I got the bulbs from BX425 (Fred Thorne) last year. Any idea what the minima may have hybridized with, Fred? The leaves are about two to 3 inches longer than the minima, flowers are the same height (there is a minima bloom that was open yesterday partially hidden by my fingertips (even with the yellow bloom)). I got seed from the last bloom, I will send it, and any from this bloom in to the BX soon. I was surprised to see that my Canna flaccida is preparing to bloom (4th picture). I grew that from seed this year (SX9 (Dennis Kramb)). It also has sent out a large crop of offsets (5th picture). I guess it liked the (overly) warm and humid weather this summer. 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Photos are here: https://sweetgumandpines.wordpress.com/2018/09/03/fasciated-lilium-formosanum/ Nick Plummer North Carolina, zone 7 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From clcox@ucdavis.edu Tue, 04 Sep 2018 16:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <764CBB90-511A-4629-9BEB-E6B6324C5F59@ucdavis.edu> From: Chad Cox Subject: H. Humilis seeds bx 446 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 15:37:57 -0700 Hello fellow bulb lovers, I was wondering if I could get any advice on how to deal with these Haemanthus Humilis seeds which appear to have sprouted. Should I simply plant in well draining medium or do they need something else? Thank you! Chad in Elverta CA Zone 8ish Sent from my iPhone Chad L. Cox, Ph.D. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From k.preteroti@verizon.net Tue, 04 Sep 2018 16:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Kenneth Preteroti Subject: H. Humilis seeds bx 446 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 18:59:55 -0400 Chad I surface sow them in well draining soil and just cover the seeds in coarse grit. Works here in NJ. Ken P Old Bridge, NJ Zone 6 b _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From anneschs@gmail.com Wed, 05 Sep 2018 16:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Anne Subject: Help with identification Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 16:59:37 -0600 Take a look at the leaves....nothing like Xanthosoma wendlandii. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From samarak@gizmoworks.com Wed, 05 Sep 2018 17:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Steve Marak Subject: Help with identification Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 18:20:09 -0500 I sent the links to these photos to a group of aroiders. Those who responded agreed the genus is Xanthosoma. An aroid taxonomist in Brasil said it looks like X. hoffmanii to him. On 9/5/2018 5:59 PM, Anne wrote: > Take a look at the leaves....nothing like Xanthosoma wendlandii. > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 05 Sep 2018 17:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <1506403720.178317.1536191255541@mail.yahoo.com> From: aaron floden via pbs Subject: Help with identification Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 23:47:35 +0000 (UTC) The third image clearly shows a pedate leaf with five segments that looks like these images of Xanthosoma wendlandii; http://www.aroidpictures.fr/GENERA/XANTHOSOMA/xanthowendlandii.html. On Wednesday, September 5, 2018, 6:03:01 PM CDT, Anne wrote: Take a look at the leaves....nothing like Xanthosoma wendlandii.  _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From sarah-lists@suiattle.net Thu, 06 Sep 2018 23:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <0e98d406-cc50-5418-2051-8152c1925deb@suiattle.net> From: Sarah Hinckley Subject: Moraea hybrids update 2018, and a video tour Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 22:33:41 -0700 Mike, Your moraeas are amazing!  I really enjoyed this, not only for the beautiful flowers, but for the glimpse into what the whole plants look like and also how you grow them.  I'm looking forward to seeing how the corms you sent me last year do this year - it was such fun to get a few blooms from them last winter. If you have any ideas on how to replicate your conditions in a greenhouse, I'd love to hear them.  Right now, mine are in pots...I'm in zone 7a in the PNW, so growing them outside wouldn't work. thanks! Sarah On 9/3/2018 2:59 PM, Michael Mace wrote: > Folks, > > > > If you're not interested in hybrids, move along fast to the next message. > > > > I've posted the highlights from my Moraea-hybridizing activity for the year. > There were many new flowers, including some interesting color combinations > and lots of streaks and dots. I'm also getting closer to a red flower, which > is one of my big goals. > > > > https://growingcoolplants.blogspot.com/2018/09/new-moraea-hybrids-2018.html > > > > Growing these plants in raised beds (technically they're screenhouses) > continues to be much more successful for me than pots. I'm up to six beds > now (building one a year to hold the new seeds), and they're all performing > well. I think the number of blooms in the first bed is starting to decline, > and if that continues I'll probably re-dig it in a future summer. But even > if they last just six years, it's a lot better than replanting every three > years, which is what I had to do with pots. > > > > This year I made a video of the plants when they were at peak bloom. You'll > see not just hybrids, but video of some of my favorite species, including > the rich purple and blue M. gigandra, a bright orange selection of M. > neopavonia sold by Gordon Summerfield, a couple of M. tripetala forms, and > an unbelievably vivid magenta M. villosa. > > > > If you want to visit the growing beds on a bright breezy spring day, here's > your chance: > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW6LzsVoPJg > > > > I am glad to share hybrid and species seeds for free if anyone's interested > (drop me a note at my address above; do not reply to the list). I'll ask you > to make a donation to the PBS so I'm not competing with the seed exchange. > > > > As always, I would love to get advice from any other growers or hybridizers. > I'm an amateur experimenting more or less at random. > > > > And I'm on the lookout for some additional Moraea species that aren't in > general cultivation. Please let me know if you have any suggestions. My wish > list is here: > > > > https://growingcoolplants.blogspot.com/2016/05/moraea-wish-list.html > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mike > > San Jose, CA > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From janemcgary@earthlink.net Mon, 10 Sep 2018 10:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <218120ca-6a54-251e-6971-bb33155c33d4@earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: Speaker on succulents Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 09:48:48 -0700 I'm asking this on this forum because many of our members also belong to the Cactus and Succulent Society. I'm recruiting speakers for our NARGS chapter meetings in Portland, Oregon. There is some interest in having a talk on succulents that extends beyond Sedum and Sempervivum, but also focuses to whatever extent possible on plants hardy enough not to require a heated greenhouse here. If you know of such a speaker, or are one yourself, would you please write to me directly (not on this list) with your recommendation? And, of course, we can always use a good talk on bulbs -- and I think they've heard me enough. Thanks, Jane McGary _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From chantal.gouverner@gmail.com Mon, 10 Sep 2018 23:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Chantal Guiraud Subject: Growing bulbs inside house Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 07:29:31 +0200 Good morning This is my first post to this list. My name is Chantal Guiraud and I’m running the seed list for Mediterranean Gardening Society since 2007 and for Mediterranean Gardening France also. One of our member would like to know if Massonia would do okay as an indoor plant, with of course proper dry summer dormancy and winter watering ? Or perhaps some other bulbs are able to be kept inside ? This is a question I never had to answer and I’m a bit puzzled. Could you help me in answering to her Thank you in advance Chantal Guiraud _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From rdevries@comcast.net Mon, 10 Sep 2018 23:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <6D57FFD3-53A0-4BC6-AEA9-92DF1C72F012@comcast.net> From: Rimmer deVries Subject: Growing bulbs inside house Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 22:56:34 -0700 Massonia, Lachenalia, Daubenya, etc can be grown inside your house in winter under very bright lights If you keep your house cool 40-60F (4-15C) that is 35-40F nights and up to 60F days (when lights are on) and not too dry relative humidity. In my experience in Michigan (42 degrees N) a sunny window provides inadequate light. Perhaps a cold sunny window could work if you live close to the approximately 30 degree latitude of the native area. An unheated garage that does not freeze or near cold leaky windows in a basement under very brights lights on a 12 hour timer work well. Rimmer de Vries 37 degrees N Kentucky, USA > On Sep 10, 2018, at 10:29 PM, Chantal Guiraud wrote: > > Good morning > > This is my first post to this list. My name is Chantal Guiraud and I’m running the seed list for Mediterranean Gardening Society since 2007 and for Mediterranean Gardening France also. > One of our member would like to know if Massonia would do okay as an indoor plant, with of course proper dry summer dormancy and winter watering ? Or perhaps some other bulbs are able to be kept inside ? This is a question I never had to answer and I’m a bit puzzled. > Could you help me in answering to her > > Thank you in advance > > Chantal Guiraud > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From lyndonpenner@gmail.com Tue, 11 Sep 2018 22:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Lyndon Penner Subject: Fritillaria Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 22:42:07 -0600 I wonder if anyone might be able to share some bulbs for either *Fritillaria bucharica* or *Fritillaria pyrenaica*. In exchange, I could collect some seed for you (next year) from *Fritillaria pudica* if you should feel so inclined. -Lyndon _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From janemcgary@earthlink.net Wed, 12 Sep 2018 10:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <0cd62004-ee1c-f595-a5ae-3d3870011ddb@earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: Fwd: PBS website contact:Lycoris Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 09:31:14 -0700 The following question came via the website. Could some of you who grow Lycoris species (particularly Jim Waddick, whose archived comments led to the question) comment on hardiness of various Lycoris species? Not something I could answer -- this genus does badly in the far west. Jane McGary -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: PBS website contact:Lycoris Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 22:55:11 +0100 (BST) From: Apache Reply-To: Charles Heuser To: janemcgary@earthlink.net This is a message from the PBS website for janemcgary. I was reading about Lycoris and the article by James W. Waddick on Lycoris and had a question on the hardiness zones for the various species. His hardiness zones of many of the species listed in his article are lower than those listed for the species by other authors. Can you explain the difference? I would like to grow more of the species here in central PA which is in zone 6. Thanks for the help. Charles Heuser, PhD -- Pacific Bulb Society web site email: website@pacificbulbsociety.org _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 12 Sep 2018 11:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <3F91609B-0F13-4A25-B79A-2CDD4922407D@yahoo.com> From: Janeczek2005 via pbs Subject: traveling Southern Africa Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 10:18:08 -0700 Hello, I hope everyone and their families are doing well. I read your wonderful website and it’s very though online presence. I am involved in various plant societies in the Southern USA (subtropical region) and will be visiting South Africa in the next few weeks. .Also visiting Zambia and Rwanda. Do you have any suggestions of places or resources to visit to see flowering bulbs in the South African spring or early summer? Thank you! > On Sep 12, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Jane McGary wrote: > > The following question came via the website. Could some of you who grow Lycoris species (particularly Jim Waddick, whose archived comments led to the question) comment on hardiness of various Lycoris species? Not something I could answer -- this genus does badly in the far west. > > Jane McGary > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: PBS website contact:Lycoris > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 22:55:11 +0100 (BST) > From: Apache > Reply-To: Charles Heuser > To: janemcgary@earthlink.net > > > > This is a message from the PBS website for janemcgary. > > I was reading about Lycoris and the article by James W. Waddick on Lycoris and had a question on the hardiness zones for the various species. His hardiness zones of many of the species listed in his article are lower than those listed for the species by other authors. Can you explain the difference? I would like to grow more of the species here in central PA which is in zone 6. > Thanks for the help. > Charles Heuser, PhD > > -- > Pacific Bulb Society web site > email: website@pacificbulbsociety.org > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From kenttoto@gmail.com Wed, 12 Sep 2018 11:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Michael Kent Subject: Juglone Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 13:44:29 -0400 Hello, Anyone familiar with Juglone? My collection of amaryllids and a few other bulbs spend the summer outside under very high shade trees (mostly). A few squirrels in the neighborhood generally spend their summer sitting up in said trees gnawing on nuts from several of the hickory trees (mostly shagbark) on our property. A continual cascade of chewed husk, broken shell, and discarded mostly whole nuts falls down into the pots below. I generally pick out the bits at least every few days on the off-chance that they're chewing up something other than hickory nuts, or that enough hormones similar to juglone will leach out of the shredded husk chunks to cause problems. The squirrels are trying to fatten up for winter, so they've doubled down on their feeding activities. I would now need to swing by every few hours to keep up with cleaning out the bits, so I recently googled juglone. I discovered that while hickory trees are in the Juglandaceae family, they contain only trace amounts of juglone. Black Walnuts (which I knew about), and Butternuts are the family members that contain high amounts of juglone. As with any search on google, several of the sources contradicted each other on which plants fall into the susceptible, or resistant category. And, the only specific mention of amaryllids was Alliums and Narcissus (both generally cited as resistant). I have noticed that, in the past week or so, the squirrels have mostly been discarding butternuts instead of hickory nuts. I'd like to be proactive , instead of reactive after one or more plants sicken or die. Does anyone know any more concrete information concerning the susceptibility/resistance of amaryllids to juglone? Thanks in advance for any assistance rendered. Mike - in the (Zone 6) Finger Lakes area, where we went, on Labor Day weekend, from high temps/humidity to grey and rainy with overnight temps on some days down into the 40s. I guess Labor Day really is the signal that summer is over. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From tselias@msn.com Wed, 12 Sep 2018 11:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Tom Elias Subject: Juglone Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 18:07:47 +0000 Michael: Species of hickories in the genus Carya have very low amounts of juglone; while species walnuts in the genus Juglans have high amounts, especially in the husk surrounding the seed. Juglone inhibits the grow of many plants attempting to grow underneath the canopy of walnuts. Black walnut is a prime example. My recommendation is not to try and grow amaryllids under walnut unless you want to experiment and determine how sensitive they are to the presence of juglone. Tom (botanist) ________________________________ From: pbs on behalf of Michael Kent Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 10:44 AM To: post to list Subject: [pbs] Juglone Hello, Anyone familiar with Juglone? My collection of amaryllids and a few other bulbs spend the summer outside under very high shade trees (mostly). A few squirrels in the neighborhood generally spend their summer sitting up in said trees gnawing on nuts from several of the hickory trees (mostly shagbark) on our property. A continual cascade of chewed husk, broken shell, and discarded mostly whole nuts falls down into the pots below. I generally pick out the bits at least every few days on the off-chance that they're chewing up something other than hickory nuts, or that enough hormones similar to juglone will leach out of the shredded husk chunks to cause problems. The squirrels are trying to fatten up for winter, so they've doubled down on their feeding activities. I would now need to swing by every few hours to keep up with cleaning out the bits, so I recently googled juglone. I discovered that while hickory trees are in the Juglandaceae family, they contain only trace amounts of juglone. Black Walnuts (which I knew about), and Butternuts are the family members that contain high amounts of juglone. As with any search on google, several of the sources contradicted each other on which plants fall into the susceptible, or resistant category. And, the only specific mention of amaryllids was Alliums and Narcissus (both generally cited as resistant). I have noticed that, in the past week or so, the squirrels have mostly been discarding butternuts instead of hickory nuts. I'd like to be proactive , instead of reactive after one or more plants sicken or die. Does anyone know any more concrete information concerning the susceptibility/resistance of amaryllids to juglone? Thanks in advance for any assistance rendered. Mike - in the (Zone 6) Finger Lakes area, where we went, on Labor Day weekend, from high temps/humidity to grey and rainy with overnight temps on some days down into the 40s. I guess Labor Day really is the signal that summer is over. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.pacificbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5242eb6a737d4d9c714208d618d7676e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636723710760168815&sdata=RsA%2FusA8N7QpAR1kl%2BRUG6tvwg7YYYJSaEMTbek%2Fug8%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From Tony@plantdelights.com Wed, 12 Sep 2018 14:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Tony Avent Subject: Fwd: PBS website contact:Lycoris Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 20:47:18 +0000 Hi Jane; Hopefully this will help. Based on the extensive body of DNA research, and confirmed in our field trials, there are only 7 lycoris species, with 1 still tbd...a far cry from the 13-20 often cited. Two of the lycoris species have foliage that emerges in fall, and five have foliage that emerges in late winter/early spring. Because all lycoris are winter-growing, the foliage emergence times determines their ability to withstand winter cold. Areas with extremely cold temperatures in early fall that remains so all winter may actually delay foliage emergence, making the plant more winter hardy than in conditions with fluctuating winter temperatures. Those species with fall-emerging leaves are generally winter-hardy to Zone 7....some clones slightly more, some slightly less. Fall foliage (zone 7) Lycoris aurea Lycoris radiata Those species with spring-emerging leaves are generally winter-hardy to Zone 5, possibly colder Spring Foliage (Zone 5) Lycoris chinensis Lycoris longituba Lycoris sanguinea Lycoris shaanxiensis (virtually everything in commerce is x straminea) with fall foliage Lycoris sprengeri Tbd Lycoris guangxiensis All other lycoris are hybrids. Hybrids of two spring-leaf species retains the Zone 5 hardiness, but crosses of a spring-leaf and a fall-leaf species, always produces offspring with fall foliage, so the hardiness of these always reverts to Zone 7. In theory, crosses with two spring species and one fall species could delay leaf emergence enough to increase winter hardiness. Lycoris Hybrids Many of these names are long established, most originally published as species, which DNA has shown to be hybrids. Other names are unpublished and only used by us as working names for the hybrids we grow. Fall x Fall (Zone 7) Two species hybrids x albiflora (syn: L. elsiae) - aurea (fall) x radiata (fall) Spring x Spring (Zone 5) Two species hybrids x caldwellii - chinensis (spring) x longituba (spring) x chejuensis - chinensis (spring) x sanguinea (spring) x flavescens - chinensis (spring) x sanguinea (spring) x incarnata (same as x squamigera) x sprenguinea (unpublished) - sprengeri (spring) x sanguinea (spring) x sprengensis (unpublished) - sprengeri (spring) x chinensis (spring) x squamigera (same as elegans, incarnata) - - longituba (spring) x sprengeri (spring) Fall x Spring (Zone 7) Two species hybrids x chinaurea (unpublished)- aurea (fall) x chinensis (spring) x cinnabarina - aurea (fall) x sanguinea (spring) x rosea (same as jacksoniana) - radiata (fall) x sprengeri (spring) x sprengurea - aurea (fall x sprengeri (spring) x straminea (syn: houdyshelii) - radiata (fall) x chinensis (spring) x rubroaurantiaca - undetermined by DNA Three species hybrids (2 spring x 1 fall) x longitosea (unpublished) - longituba (spring) x sprengeri (spring) x radiata (fall) x roseguinea (unpublished) - radiata (fall) x sprengeri (spring) x sanguinea (spring) x rosensis (unpublished) - radiata (fall) x sprengeri (spring) x chinensis (spring) Three species hybrids (2 fall x 1 spring) x radichinaurea (unpublished) - radiata (fall) x aurea (fall) x chinensis (spring) x rosaurea (unpublished) - radiata (fall) x aurea (fall) x sprengeri (spring) Tony Avent Proprietor tony@jlbg.org Juniper Level Botanic Garden and Plant Delights Nursery Ph 919.772.4794/fx 919.772.4752 9241 Sauls Road, Raleigh, North Carolina 27603 USA USDA Zone 7b/Winter 0-5 F/Summer 95-105F "Preserving, Studying, Propagating, and Sharing the World's Flora" [plant-delights-logo] Since 1988, Plant Delights Nursery is THE Source for unique, rare and native perennial plants. This message and its contents are confidential. If you received this message in error, do not use or rely upon it. Instead, please inform the sender and then delete it. Thank you. From: pbs On Behalf Of Jane McGary Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 12:31 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: [pbs] Fwd: PBS website contact:Lycoris The following question came via the website. Could some of you who grow Lycoris species (particularly Jim Waddick, whose archived comments led to the question) comment on hardiness of various Lycoris species? Not something I could answer -- this genus does badly in the far west. Jane McGary -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: PBS website contact:Lycoris Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 22:55:11 +0100 (BST) From: Apache Reply-To: Charles Heuser To: janemcgary@earthlink.net This is a message from the PBS website for janemcgary. I was reading about Lycoris and the article by James W. Waddick on Lycoris and had a question on the hardiness zones for the various species. His hardiness zones of many of the species listed in his article are lower than those listed for the species by other authors. Can you explain the difference? I would like to grow more of the species here in central PA which is in zone 6. Thanks for the help. Charles Heuser, PhD -- Pacific Bulb Society web site email: website@pacificbulbsociety.org _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs ________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 6640 bytes Desc: image002.jpg URL: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From cynthiasbulbs@hotmail.com Wed, 12 Sep 2018 14:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Cynthia Mueller Subject: Fwd: PBS website contact:Lycoris Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 21:14:03 +0000 Thank you, Tony, for setting down on paper all these important differences. Cynthia W Mueller > On Sep 12, 2018, at 3:57 PM, Tony Avent wrote: > > Hi Jane; > > Hopefully this will help. > > Based on the extensive body of DNA research, and confirmed in our field trials, there are only 7 lycoris species, with 1 still tbd...a far cry from the 13-20 often cited. > > Two of the lycoris species have foliage that emerges in fall, and five have foliage that emerges in late winter/early spring. Because all lycoris are winter-growing, the foliage emergence times determines their ability to withstand winter cold. Areas with extremely cold temperatures in early fall that remains so all winter may actually delay foliage emergence, making the plant more winter hardy than in conditions with fluctuating winter temperatures. > > Those species with fall-emerging leaves are generally winter-hardy to Zone 7....some clones slightly more, some slightly less. > Fall foliage (zone 7) > Lycoris aurea > Lycoris radiata > > Those species with spring-emerging leaves are generally winter-hardy to Zone 5, possibly colder > Spring Foliage (Zone 5) > Lycoris chinensis > Lycoris longituba > Lycoris sanguinea > Lycoris shaanxiensis (virtually everything in commerce is x straminea) with fall foliage > Lycoris sprengeri > > Tbd > Lycoris guangxiensis > > All other lycoris are hybrids. Hybrids of two spring-leaf species retains the Zone 5 hardiness, but crosses of a spring-leaf and a fall-leaf species, always produces offspring with fall foliage, so the hardiness of these always reverts to Zone 7. In theory, crosses with two spring species and one fall species could delay leaf emergence enough to increase winter hardiness. > > Lycoris Hybrids > Many of these names are long established, most originally published as species, which DNA has shown to be hybrids. Other names are unpublished and only used by us as working names for the hybrids we grow. > > Fall x Fall (Zone 7) > Two species hybrids > x albiflora (syn: L. elsiae) - aurea (fall) x radiata (fall) > > Spring x Spring (Zone 5) > Two species hybrids > x caldwellii - chinensis (spring) x longituba (spring) > x chejuensis - chinensis (spring) x sanguinea (spring) > x flavescens - chinensis (spring) x sanguinea (spring) > x incarnata (same as x squamigera) > x sprenguinea (unpublished) - sprengeri (spring) x sanguinea (spring) > x sprengensis (unpublished) - sprengeri (spring) x chinensis (spring) > x squamigera (same as elegans, incarnata) - - longituba (spring) x sprengeri (spring) > > Fall x Spring (Zone 7) > Two species hybrids > x chinaurea (unpublished)- aurea (fall) x chinensis (spring) > x cinnabarina - aurea (fall) x sanguinea (spring) > x rosea (same as jacksoniana) - radiata (fall) x sprengeri (spring) > x sprengurea - aurea (fall x sprengeri (spring) > x straminea (syn: houdyshelii) - radiata (fall) x chinensis (spring) > x rubroaurantiaca - undetermined by DNA > > Three species hybrids (2 spring x 1 fall) > x longitosea (unpublished) - longituba (spring) x sprengeri (spring) x radiata (fall) > x roseguinea (unpublished) - radiata (fall) x sprengeri (spring) x sanguinea (spring) > x rosensis (unpublished) - radiata (fall) x sprengeri (spring) x chinensis (spring) > > Three species hybrids (2 fall x 1 spring) > x radichinaurea (unpublished) - radiata (fall) x aurea (fall) x chinensis (spring) > x rosaurea (unpublished) - radiata (fall) x aurea (fall) x sprengeri (spring) > > > Tony Avent > Proprietor > tony@jlbg.org > Juniper Level Botanic Garden and Plant Delights Nursery > Ph 919.772.4794/fx 919.772.4752 > 9241 Sauls Road, Raleigh, North Carolina 27603 USA > USDA Zone 7b/Winter 0-5 F/Summer 95-105F > "Preserving, Studying, Propagating, and Sharing the World's Flora" > > [plant-delights-logo] > Since 1988, Plant Delights Nursery is THE Source for unique, rare and native perennial plants. > > This message and its contents are confidential. If you received this message in error, do not use or rely upon it. Instead, please inform the sender and then delete it. Thank you. > > > From: pbs On Behalf Of Jane McGary > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 12:31 PM > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: [pbs] Fwd: PBS website contact:Lycoris > > The following question came via the website. Could some of you who grow > Lycoris species (particularly Jim Waddick, whose archived comments led > to the question) comment on hardiness of various Lycoris species? Not > something I could answer -- this genus does badly in the far west. > > Jane McGary > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: PBS website contact:Lycoris > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 22:55:11 +0100 (BST) > From: Apache > Reply-To: Charles Heuser > To: janemcgary@earthlink.net > > > > This is a message from the PBS website for janemcgary. > > I was reading about Lycoris and the article by James W. Waddick on Lycoris and had a question on the hardiness zones for the various species. His hardiness zones of many of the species listed in his article are lower than those listed for the species by other authors. Can you explain the difference? I would like to grow more of the species here in central PA which is in zone 6. > Thanks for the help. > Charles Heuser, PhD > > -- > Pacific Bulb Society web site > email: website@pacificbulbsociety.org > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > ________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image002.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 6640 bytes > Desc: image002.jpg > URL: > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From eez55@earthlink.net Wed, 12 Sep 2018 16:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <290531832.14983.1536792485387@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net> From: Eugene Zielinski Subject: Fwd: PBS website contact:Lycoris Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 15:48:05 -0700 (GMT-07:00) I would like to echo Cynthia's thanks to Tony Avent for this valuable information. I lived in central Pennsylvania for many years and can vouch for the fact that Lycoris radiata cannot tolerate the winters there. They may survive a year or two but the snow and freezing temperatures destroy the foliage pretty quickly. L. (x)squamigera, on the other hand, grew very well there, pretty much thriving on neglect. Quite the opposite situation when I lived in Augusta, Georgia. L. radiata bloomed beautifully in late summer while L. (x)squamigera was nowhere to be found. Eugene Zielinski Prescott Valley, Arizona USA -----Original Message----- >From: Cynthia Mueller >Sent: Sep 12, 2018 2:14 PM >To: Pacific Bulb Society >Subject: Re: [pbs] Fwd: PBS website contact:Lycoris > >Thank you, Tony, for setting down on paper all these important differences. > >Cynthia W Mueller > >> On Sep 12, 2018, at 3:57 PM, Tony Avent wrote: >> >> Hi Jane; >> >> Hopefully this will help. >> >> Based on the extensive body of DNA research, and confirmed in our field trials, there are only 7 lycoris species, with 1 still tbd...a far cry from the 13-20 often cited. >> >> Two of the lycoris species have foliage that emerges in fall, and five have foliage that emerges in late winter/early spring. Because all lycoris are winter-growing, the foliage emergence times determines their ability to withstand winter cold. Areas with extremely cold temperatures in early fall that remains so all winter may actually delay foliage emergence, making the plant more winter hardy than in conditions with fluctuating winter temperatures. >> >> Those species with fall-emerging leaves are generally winter-hardy to Zone 7....some clones slightly more, some slightly less... _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From eez55@earthlink.net Wed, 12 Sep 2018 19:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <794495785.17935.1536801139236@wamui-jelly.atl.sa.earthlink.net> From: Eugene Zielinski Subject: Fw: PBS website contact:query about odd shaped plant Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 18:12:19 -0700 (GMT-07:00) We received this message from Maria about a rather impressive "bulb" described below. She was able to supply a picture which is posted in the Mystery Bulbs section of the PBS website. If you have an ID, you can contact Maria directly (maryahsirocco@hotmail.com), or you can post to this group and I'll forward the message. Thanks! Eugene Zielinski -----Forwarded Message----- >From: Apache >Sent: Sep 9, 2018 5:22 PM >Subject: PBS website contact:query about odd shaped plant > >I picked up a plant which looks like a flattened football. It has a smooth appearance and is light beige in colour. From its centre a yearly stem comes out. It bears parallel leaves along the stem, which is approx 1'6" and bears small, insignificant, bell shaped white flowers. > >I bought it because of its unusual appearance, but now i have the responsibility to find out its name, >what it is and how to look after it. Have contacted several people and scanned the internet, to no avail. >It could belong to the Beaucarnea species, except that the leaves are shaped more like those of a >rosebush. > >Can you help or steer me in some direction? > >Most grateful, sincerely, >Maria Botwright _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From david@davidpilling.com Wed, 12 Sep 2018 19:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <00b185a9-205f-b271-0495-9a72b1972cfa@davidpilling.com> From: David Pilling Subject: Fw: PBS website contact:query about odd shaped plant Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 02:15:58 +0100 Hi, On 13/09/18 02:12, Eugene Zielinski wrote: > a picture which is posted in the Mystery Bulbs section of the PBS website https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/MysteryBulbs#MB or https://goo.gl/1JSJbr -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 12 Sep 2018 19:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <858354399.4092582.1536802183545@mail.yahoo.com> From: Steve Evans via pbs Subject: Fw: PBS website contact:query about odd shaped plant Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 01:29:43 +0000 (UTC) Possibilities are Fockea and Schizobasis. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 20:16, David Pilling wrote: Hi, On 13/09/18 02:12, Eugene Zielinski wrote: > a picture which is posted in the Mystery Bulbs section of the PBS website https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/MysteryBulbs#MB or https://goo.gl/1JSJbr -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From kimcmich@hotmail.com Wed, 12 Sep 2018 19:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Kipp McMichael Subject: Fw: PBS website contact:query about odd shaped plant Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 01:40:55 +0000 Greetings, This is certainly not a Schizobasis and the caudex surface does not look right for Fockea (I think it is in the milkweed-tribe however). It appears to be Raphionacme sp. -| on behalf of Steve Evans via pbs Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 6:29 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Cc: Steve Evans Subject: Re: [pbs] Fw: PBS website contact:query about odd shaped plant Possibilities are Fockea and Schizobasis. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 20:16, David Pilling wrote: Hi, On 13/09/18 02:12, Eugene Zielinski wrote: > a picture which is posted in the Mystery Bulbs section of the PBS website https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pacificbulbsociety.org%2Fpbswiki%2Findex.php%2FMysteryBulbs%23MB&data=02%7C01%7C%7C0691b2ed849a441d205108d619196aed%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636723994287113826&sdata=7oxTjJZV1ctzGtnNXqVJ7C9xNjHn3%2Fk9K%2BGK%2BSF0DGI%3D&reserved=0 or https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgoo.gl%2F1JSJbr&data=02%7C01%7C%7C0691b2ed849a441d205108d619196aed%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636723994287113826&sdata=0IvWmXKljXPa5rRle132NqmyXPcOTPyX9tBDlWCcc1c%3D&reserved=0 -- David Pilling https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.davidpilling.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C0691b2ed849a441d205108d619196aed%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636723994287113826&sdata=ZZNpOxPjDupnRvVFkALu2981mRYDOLWmtNwLV6MTfcM%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.pacificbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&data=02%7C01%7C%7C0691b2ed849a441d205108d619196aed%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636723994287113826&sdata=VVm2fc5LEo%2FgIy0%2FMn8C2vtBBnJPG2s1FmSWbg%2F0Hhg%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.pacificbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&data=02%7C01%7C%7C0691b2ed849a441d205108d619196aed%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636723994287113826&sdata=VVm2fc5LEo%2FgIy0%2FMn8C2vtBBnJPG2s1FmSWbg%2F0Hhg%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From kenttoto@gmail.com Wed, 12 Sep 2018 20:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Michael Kent Subject: Fw: PBS website contact:query about odd shaped plant Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 22:36:17 -0400 It does look more like a caudiform than a bulb. Maybe a Brachystelma? If you go to http://www.bihrmann.com/caudiciforms/fami/fami.asp and use the 'menu' link over on the extreme right top, you can get into slideshows. Unfortunately, the photos are mostly thumbnails, but you can click on the thumbnail for a closer view and plant details. There are listings for a lot of bulbs in there too (Brunsvigias, Clivia, Cyrtanthus, etc.). Mike _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 12 Sep 2018 20:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <138030927.3122758.1536806472062@mail.yahoo.com> From: Michael C Ingram via pbs Subject: Bessera elegans germination Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 02:41:12 +0000 (UTC) I would like advice on germinating Bessera seed. Should I wait until the weather warms in spring or sow right away and try to overwinter without a dormancy? Thanks, Mike Jacksonville, FL _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 12 Sep 2018 22:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <10493A19-F61B-4074-B92A-56C96D2F0FE3@aol.com> From: "William R.P. Welch via pbs" Subject: Juglone Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 21:37:06 -0700 All I know is once grew Narcissus in pots under a black walnut for years with no problems at all. BUT, a reliable source said they killed their narcissus where they put on a mulch of wood chips from a tree cutter that were made from black walnut Best wishes, Bill the Bulb Baron (William R.P. Welch) website: www.billthebulbbaron.com/availability.htm William R.P. Welch, 1031 Cayuga Street, Apt B, Santa Cruz, CA 95062 (831) 236-8397 > On Sep 12, 2018, at 11:07 AM, Tom Elias wrote: > > Michael: > Species of hickories in the genus Carya have very low amounts of juglone; while species walnuts in the genus Juglans have high amounts, especially in the husk surrounding the seed. Juglone inhibits the grow of many plants attempting to grow underneath the canopy of walnuts. Black walnut is a prime example. My recommendation is not to try and grow amaryllids under walnut unless you want to experiment and determine how sensitive they are to the presence of juglone. > > Tom (botanist) > ________________________________ > From: pbs on behalf of Michael Kent > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 10:44 AM > To: post to list > Subject: [pbs] Juglone > > Hello, > > Anyone familiar with Juglone? > > My collection of amaryllids and a few other bulbs spend the summer outside > under very high shade trees (mostly). A few squirrels in the neighborhood > generally spend their summer sitting up in said trees gnawing on nuts from > several of the hickory trees (mostly shagbark) on our property. A continual > cascade of chewed husk, broken shell, and discarded mostly whole nuts falls > down into the pots below. I generally pick out the bits at least every few > days on the off-chance that they're chewing up something other than hickory > nuts, or that enough hormones similar to juglone will leach out of the > shredded husk chunks to cause problems. > > The squirrels are trying to fatten up for winter, so they've doubled down > on their feeding activities. I would now need to swing by every few hours > to keep up with cleaning out the bits, so I recently googled juglone. I > discovered that while hickory trees are in the Juglandaceae family, they > contain only trace amounts of juglone. Black Walnuts (which I knew about), > and Butternuts are the family members that contain high amounts of juglone. > As with any search on google, several of the sources contradicted each > other on which plants fall into the susceptible, or resistant category. > And, the only specific mention of amaryllids was Alliums and Narcissus > (both generally cited as resistant). > > I have noticed that, in the past week or so, the squirrels have mostly been > discarding butternuts instead of hickory nuts. I'd like to be proactive , > instead of reactive after one or more plants sicken or die. Does anyone > know any more concrete information concerning the susceptibility/resistance > of amaryllids to juglone? > > Thanks in advance for any assistance rendered. > > Mike - in the (Zone 6) Finger Lakes area, where we went, on Labor Day > weekend, from high temps/humidity to grey and rainy with overnight temps on > some days down into the 40s. I guess Labor Day really is the signal that > summer is over. > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.pacificbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5242eb6a737d4d9c714208d618d7676e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636723710760168815&sdata=RsA%2FusA8N7QpAR1kl%2BRUG6tvwg7YYYJSaEMTbek%2Fug8%3D&reserved=0 > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jane@deskhenge.com Thu, 13 Sep 2018 04:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <75e91e18-0dbb-3dc5-a47c-3a2db125ccf8@deskhenge.com> From: Jane Sargent Subject: Maria's bulb Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 06:25:23 -0400 Dioscorea, perhaps? Jane Sargent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 13 Sep 2018 04:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <1567860392.4625394.1536834473796@mail.yahoo.com> From: Gregg via pbs Subject: Fw: PBS website contact:query about odd shaped plant Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 10:27:53 +0000 (UTC) Looks like Raphionacme. possibly burkei, a caudiciform vine.  Gregg DeChirico On Wednesday, September 12, 2018, 9:12:26 PM EDT, Eugene Zielinski wrote: We received this message from Maria about a rather impressive "bulb" described below.  She was able to supply a picture which is posted in the Mystery Bulbs section of the PBS website.  If you have an ID, you can contact Maria directly (maryahsirocco@hotmail.com), or you can post to this group and I'll forward the message.  Thanks! Eugene Zielinski -----Forwarded Message----- >From: Apache >Sent: Sep 9, 2018 5:22 PM >Subject: PBS website contact:query about odd shaped plant > >I picked up a plant which looks like a flattened football. It has a smooth appearance and is light beige in colour.  From its centre a yearly stem comes out. It bears parallel leaves along the stem, which is approx 1'6" and bears small, insignificant, bell shaped white flowers. > >I bought it because of its unusual appearance, but now i have the responsibility to find out its name, >what it is and how to look after it. Have contacted several people and scanned the internet, to no avail. >It could belong to the Beaucarnea species, except that the leaves are shaped more like those of a >rosebush. > >Can you help or steer me in some direction? > >Most grateful, sincerely, >Maria Botwright _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From rarebulbs@suddenlink.net Thu, 13 Sep 2018 06:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <9b33d21b-1a26-6434-04c3-b1d03a18d989@suddenlink.net> From: Diana Chapman Subject: Bessera elegans germination Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 06:16:20 -0700 Sow in spring. Diana Telos Rare Bulbs > I would like advice on germinating Bessera seed. Should I wait until the weather warms in spring or sow right away and try to overwinter without a dormancy? > Thanks, > Mike Jacksonville, FL > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From vkmyrick@pacbell.net Thu, 13 Sep 2018 09:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <9BF3EAEA-5039-48A3-BE0D-FCB8A85A6CC2@pacbell.net> From: Jack and Val Subject: PBS website contact:Lycoris Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 08:48:30 -0700 Jane, would you please write about why Lycoris does badly in the far west? I had thought it was just Lycoris sprengeri that we couldn’t grow and that it was my fault that the others didn’t. Val Myrick Sonora, CA Sierra Foothills > On Sep 12, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Jane McGary wrote: > > The following question came via the website. Could some of you who grow Lycoris species (particularly Jim Waddick, whose archived comments led to the question) comment on hardiness of various Lycoris species? Not something I could answer -- this genus does badly in the far west. > > Jane McGary > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: PBS website contact:Lycoris > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 22:55:11 +0100 (BST) > From: Apache > Reply-To: Charles Heuser > To: janemcgary@earthlink.net > > > > This is a message from the PBS website for janemcgary. > > I was reading about Lycoris and the article by James W. Waddick on Lycoris and had a question on the hardiness zones for the various species. His hardiness zones of many of the species listed in his article are lower than those listed for the species by other authors. Can you explain the difference? I would like to grow more of the species here in central PA which is in zone 6. > Thanks for the help. > Charles Heuser, PhD > > -- > Pacific Bulb Society web site > email: website@pacificbulbsociety.org > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From janemcgary@earthlink.net Thu, 13 Sep 2018 10:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <562dc027-d5d4-7e13-05ee-bde12ddabe65@earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: PBS website contact:Lycoris Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 09:46:59 -0700 After I mentioned that Lycoris did poorly for me in western Oregon, Val in inland northern California asked: Jane, would you please write about why Lycoris does badly in the far west? I had thought it was just Lycoris sprengeri that we couldn’t grow and that it > was my fault that the others didn’t. > Years ago, I was talking with author and nursery grower Sean Hogan and mentioned that I couldn't succeed with some plants from Japan and the eastern USA. I wondered if there was some factor they shared to which the US Pacific coast region was inhospitable. His opinion was that the different levels of atmospheric humidity in summer might be the cause. In summer-dry regions, low humidity results in pronounced temperature drops at night (commonly at least 20 degrees Fahrenheit, sometimes more), whereas in moist-summer regions at low elevation, night cooling is not to be so sharp. The cold nights might trigger dormancy and interrupt the typical annual growth and flowering cycles of plants. It's well known that some cultivars of daylily (Hemerocallis) will not flower well, or at all, in the Pacific Northwest, but flower well east of the Rocky Mountains. Temperature drop might be even sharper where Val lives than it is here in a suburb of Portland, Oregon, since her area is both drier and at higher elevation than mine. When I go to the east or southeast USA in summer, I feel as if I'd stepped into a steam bath. This doesn't occur with all plants from humid-summer regions. Japanese lilies do well here, as do a number of East Asian genera in the lily family (broadly speaking; is it Liliales now?). Perhaps it's more common in summer-flowering plants than in spring-flowering ones? On the other hand, Kirengeshoma (Hydrangeaceae) is flowering well in my garden at the moment, right on schedule. It can even be affected by microclimate: I notice that only a quarter-mile from here East Asian plants and eastern American trilliums flourish much more than in my garden, which is on a ridge, and that garden is in a moist, sheltered site that slopes down to a permanent stream, presumably having more humidity at all times. On the other hand, some plants do well here but are difficult in the east because they succumb to diseases promoted by summer moisture (e.g., Dianthus). "Hardiness" and "zone ratings" are not a dependable guide to how well a plant will grow and, especially, flower in a given place. Factors that aren't readily available as data, such as seasonal humidity and rainfall cycles, have to be considered too. Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From vkmyrick@pacbell.net Thu, 13 Sep 2018 10:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <38A2A493-71EF-462F-8C97-7553345B7E29@pacbell.net> From: Jack and Val Subject: PBS website contact:Lycoris Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 10:06:20 -0700 Thanks so much, Jane. I was once told that corn isn’t as good here as in the midwest for the same reasons. Don’t know if that is really true, however. At least it is pleasant for us humans here. Val > On Sep 13, 2018, at 9:46 AM, Jane McGary wrote: > > After I mentioned that Lycoris did poorly for me in western Oregon, Val in inland northern California asked: > > Jane, would you please write about why Lycoris does badly in the far west? I had thought it was just Lycoris sprengeri that we couldn’t grow and that it >> was my fault that the others didn’t. >> > Years ago, I was talking with author and nursery grower Sean Hogan and mentioned that I couldn't succeed with some plants from Japan and the eastern USA. I wondered if there was some factor they shared to which the US Pacific coast region was inhospitable. His opinion was that the different levels of atmospheric humidity in summer might be the cause. In summer-dry regions, low humidity results in pronounced temperature drops at night (commonly at least 20 degrees Fahrenheit, sometimes more), whereas in moist-summer regions at low elevation, night cooling is not to be so sharp. The cold nights might trigger dormancy and interrupt the typical annual growth and flowering cycles of plants. It's well known that some cultivars of daylily (Hemerocallis) will not flower well, or at all, in the Pacific Northwest, but flower well east of the Rocky Mountains. Temperature drop might be even sharper where Val lives than it is here in a suburb of Portland, Oregon, since her area is both drier and at higher elevation than mine. When I go to the east or southeast USA in summer, I feel as if I'd stepped into a steam bath. > > This doesn't occur with all plants from humid-summer regions. Japanese lilies do well here, as do a number of East Asian genera in the lily family (broadly speaking; is it Liliales now?). Perhaps it's more common in summer-flowering plants than in spring-flowering ones? On the other hand, Kirengeshoma (Hydrangeaceae) is flowering well in my garden at the moment, right on schedule. It can even be affected by microclimate: I notice that only a quarter-mile from here East Asian plants and eastern American trilliums flourish much more than in my garden, which is on a ridge, and that garden is in a moist, sheltered site that slopes down to a permanent stream, presumably having more humidity at all times. On the other hand, some plants do well here but are difficult in the east because they succumb to diseases promoted by summer moisture (e.g., Dianthus). > > "Hardiness" and "zone ratings" are not a dependable guide to how well a plant will grow and, especially, flower in a given place. Factors that aren't readily available as data, such as seasonal humidity and rainfall cycles, have to be considered too. > > Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jgglatt@gmail.com Thu, 13 Sep 2018 18:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <0c3b64d4-cffc-e81c-f523-23afa2f89ac2@gmail.com> From: Judy Glattstein Subject: Repotting My Rhodophiala Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 20:17:34 -0400 It's that time of year when we're all busily repotting autumn & winter growing greenhouse bulbs. Here's how I was doing my rhodophiala. Repotting Rhodophiala Judy in New Jersey where we have "normal" rain while Florence lambasts the Carolinas, Virginia, Georgia _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 14 Sep 2018 05:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <62357007.4892646.1536925068858@mail.yahoo.com> From: Wylie Young via pbs Subject: Repotting Rodophilia Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 11:37:48 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the reminder I really need to repot mine. You are right that the UK/Europe has some good pots for them. I got a couple of very deep ones just for them. We finally got enough rain for the Amaryllis belladonna and Nerines to start flowering, and are waiting to see how close Helene will pass by the Azores tomorrow and Sunday. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From david@davidpilling.com Fri, 14 Sep 2018 07:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: David Pilling Subject: Repotting Rodophilia Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:18:03 +0100 Hi, On 14/09/2018 12:37, Wylie Young via pbs wrote: > You are right that the UK/Europe has some good pots for them. 3D printing has become a low cost at home reality, so if anyone has a bright idea for the perfect bulb pot, it is now easy. We'll even put your design on the PBS website. -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From fbiasella@watertownsavings.com Fri, 14 Sep 2018 07:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Fred Biasella Subject: Repotting Rodophilia Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 13:56:59 +0000 Ok. -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net] On Behalf Of David Pilling Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 9:18 AM To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Subject: Re: [pbs] Repotting Rodophilia Hi, On 14/09/2018 12:37, Wylie Young via pbs wrote: > You are right that the UK/Europe has some good pots for them. 3D printing has become a low cost at home reality, so if anyone has a bright idea for the perfect bulb pot, it is now easy. We'll even put your design on the PBS website. -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From erik@tepuidesign.com Fri, 14 Sep 2018 10:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Erik Van Lennep Subject: Repotting Rodophilia Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 18:18:13 +0200 Great idea! youth and elders short video http://www.linkedin.com/in/erikvanlennep Listen to 'Designers of Paradise' @​Green_Heart <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> *“Another world is not only possible, she is already on her way. On quiet days I can hear her breathing.” * - Arundhati Roy *"It's far too late for pessimism"* - Dee Hock On 14 September 2018 at 15:18, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > On 14/09/2018 12:37, Wylie Young via pbs wrote: > >> You are right that the UK/Europe has some good pots for them. >> > > 3D printing has become a low cost at home reality, so if anyone has a > bright idea for the perfect bulb pot, it is now easy. We'll even put your > design on the PBS website. > > > > -- > David Pilling > www.davidpilling.com > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From janemcgary@earthlink.net Fri, 14 Sep 2018 10:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <7b176dba-957a-f095-7525-d29ef0e9eed1@earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: Bulb pots, was Repotting Rodophilia Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 09:32:04 -0700 If 3D printing and plastic bulb pots don't appeal to you, see your friendly neighborhood potter of the traditional, wheel-throwing variety. At our NARGS chapter meetings in Portland, we often admire the bulbs Terry Laskiewicz grows in the pots her partner Stan Gibson, a professional potter, makes especially for such plants. I particularly liked seeing one of the yellow-and-brown Fritillaria species in a pot with a coordinating glaze. I've bought a number of Stan's deep stoneware pots and wide pans for bulbs I need to move around rather than keeping them in my unheated bulb house. They have tasteful, unobtrusive glazes or other surface treatments, and big, sometimes multiple drainage holes. I've also seen some unusual pots made by local artist/gardeners for succulents or aquatic plants, sometimes imitating the textures and forms of the plants they hold. For the plunged pots in the bulb house I use either unglazed terracotta (the harder ones from Italy are best), or plastic mesh pots.  The best brand of the latter is Finofil, which is hard to get in the USA but readily available in the UK. Lately I've been searching through the various kinds of mesh pots sold for hydroponic growing, available through "indoor gardening" suppliers, which have become almost as ubiquitous as shops selling the product of indoor gardening since Oregon legalized it. Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA On 9/14/2018 6:18 AM, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > On 14/09/2018 12:37, Wylie Young via pbs wrote: >>  You are right that the UK/Europe has some good pots for them. > > 3D printing has become a low cost at home reality, so if anyone has a > bright idea for the perfect bulb pot, it is now easy. We'll even put > your design on the PBS website. > > > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 14 Sep 2018 11:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <662053340.301132.1536947871313@mail.libero.it> From: Alberto Grossi via pbs Subject: OT-Begonia Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 19:57:51 +0200 (CEST) Hi All, I was looking to understand where Begonia Tamaya comes from: is it a cultivar of a definite species, an hybrid, or what? Thanks in advance Alberto _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From cynthiasbulbs@hotmail.com Fri, 14 Sep 2018 12:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Cynthia Mueller Subject: OT-Begonia Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 18:24:04 +0000 Alberto, I looked at the Ross Bolwell International Database index of begonia species and hybrids at the American Begonia Society for B. ‘Tamaya.’ It is designated as a ‘cane type’ begonia, but there is very little information except for a picture, which shows a really attractive plant with deep pink flowers. If I find other information, I will let you know. Cynthia W Mueller > On Sep 14, 2018, at 1:07 PM, Alberto Grossi via pbs wrote: > > Hi All, > > I was looking to understand where Begonia Tamaya comes from: is it a cultivar of a definite species, an hybrid, or what? > > Thanks in advance > > Alberto > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From plantsman@comcast.net Fri, 14 Sep 2018 13:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Nathan Lange Subject: Fwd: PBS website contact:Lycoris Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 13:04:17 -0700 Hi Tony, Thank you for the excellent information. Besides watering issues, the primary problem with growing the spring-emerging species at lower elevations in Northern California is the lack of cold vernalizing winter temperatures. For example, with our minimum low temps only in the mid 20's F, in order to achieve flowering, I grow L. x squamigera in exposed pots that aren't exposed to winter sunlight. How do you rate the spring-emerging species with regard to their need for vernalization relative to L. x squamigera? L. chinensis and L. sprengeri probably need less cooling? Best regards, Nathan At 01:47 PM 9/12/2018, you wrote: >Hi Jane; > >Hopefully this will help. > >Based on the extensive body of DNA research, and confirmed in our >field trials, there are only 7 lycoris species, with 1 still tbd...a >far cry from the 13-20 often cited. > >Two of the lycoris species have foliage that emerges in fall, and >five have foliage that emerges in late winter/early spring. Because >all lycoris are winter-growing, the foliage emergence times >determines their ability to withstand winter cold. Areas with >extremely cold temperatures in early fall that remains so all winter >may actually delay foliage emergence, making the plant more winter >hardy than in conditions with fluctuating winter temperatures. > >Those species with fall-emerging leaves are generally winter-hardy >to Zone 7....some clones slightly more, some slightly less. >Fall foliage (zone 7) >Lycoris aurea >Lycoris radiata > >Those species with spring-emerging leaves are generally winter-hardy >to Zone 5, possibly colder >Spring Foliage (Zone 5) >Lycoris chinensis >Lycoris longituba >Lycoris sanguinea >Lycoris shaanxiensis (virtually everything in commerce is x >straminea) with fall foliage >Lycoris sprengeri > >Tbd >Lycoris guangxiensis > >All other lycoris are hybrids. Hybrids of two spring-leaf species >retains the Zone 5 hardiness, but crosses of a spring-leaf and a >fall-leaf species, always produces offspring with fall foliage, so >the hardiness of these always reverts to Zone 7. In theory, crosses >with two spring species and one fall species could delay leaf >emergence enough to increase winter hardiness. > >Lycoris Hybrids >Many of these names are long established, most originally published >as species, which DNA has shown to be hybrids. Other names are >unpublished and only used by us as working names for the hybrids we grow. > >Fall x Fall (Zone 7) >Two species hybrids >x albiflora (syn: L. elsiae) - aurea (fall) x radiata (fall) > >Spring x Spring (Zone 5) >Two species hybrids >x caldwellii - chinensis (spring) x longituba (spring) >x chejuensis - chinensis (spring) x sanguinea (spring) >x flavescens - chinensis (spring) x sanguinea (spring) >x incarnata (same as x squamigera) >x sprenguinea (unpublished) - sprengeri (spring) x sanguinea (spring) >x sprengensis (unpublished) - sprengeri (spring) x chinensis (spring) >x squamigera (same as elegans, incarnata) - - longituba (spring) x >sprengeri (spring) > >Fall x Spring (Zone 7) >Two species hybrids >x chinaurea (unpublished)- aurea (fall) x chinensis (spring) >x cinnabarina - aurea (fall) x sanguinea (spring) >x rosea (same as jacksoniana) - radiata (fall) x sprengeri (spring) >x sprengurea - aurea (fall x sprengeri (spring) >x straminea (syn: houdyshelii) - radiata (fall) x chinensis (spring) >x rubroaurantiaca - undetermined by DNA > >Three species hybrids (2 spring x 1 fall) >x longitosea (unpublished) - longituba (spring) x sprengeri (spring) >x radiata (fall) >x roseguinea (unpublished) - radiata (fall) x sprengeri (spring) x >sanguinea (spring) >x rosensis (unpublished) - radiata (fall) x sprengeri (spring) x >chinensis (spring) > >Three species hybrids (2 fall x 1 spring) >x radichinaurea (unpublished) - radiata (fall) x aurea (fall) x >chinensis (spring) >x rosaurea (unpublished) - radiata (fall) x aurea (fall) x sprengeri (spring) > > >Tony Avent >Proprietor >tony@jlbg.org >Juniper Level Botanic >Garden and Plant Delights >Nursery >Ph 919.772.4794/fx 919.772.4752 >9241 Sauls Road, Raleigh, North Carolina 27603 USA >USDA Zone 7b/Winter 0-5 F/Summer 95-105F >"Preserving, Studying, Propagating, and Sharing the World's Flora" > >[plant-delights-logo] >Since 1988, Plant Delights Nursery is THE Source for unique, rare >and native perennial plants. > >This message and its contents are confidential. If you received this >message in error, do not use or rely upon it. Instead, please inform >the sender and then delete it. Thank you. > > >From: pbs On Behalf Of Jane McGary >Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 12:31 PM >To: Pacific Bulb Society >Subject: [pbs] Fwd: PBS website contact:Lycoris > >The following question came via the website. Could some of you who grow >Lycoris species (particularly Jim Waddick, whose archived comments led >to the question) comment on hardiness of various Lycoris species? Not >something I could answer -- this genus does badly in the far west. > >Jane McGary > > > >-------- Forwarded Message -------- >Subject: PBS website contact:Lycoris >Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 22:55:11 +0100 (BST) >From: Apache >Reply-To: Charles Heuser >To: janemcgary@earthlink.net > > > >This is a message from the PBS website for janemcgary. > >I was reading about Lycoris and the article by James W. Waddick on >Lycoris and had a question on the hardiness zones for the various >species. His hardiness zones of many of the species listed in his >article are lower than those listed for the species by other >authors. Can you explain the difference? I would like to grow more >of the species here in central PA which is in zone 6. >Thanks for the help. >Charles Heuser, PhD > >-- _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From Tony@plantdelights.com Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <36a8ee4138844be38e9700dbd4e3ee35@PDN-EXCHANGE.pdn.local> From: Tony Avent Subject: Fwd: PBS website contact:Lycoris Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 20:49:58 +0000 Hi Nathan; The lycoris species that seems to need the most vernalization is L. sanguinea. We've only had 1 bulb to flower in 20+ years. Hybrids with L. sanguinea and L. sprengeri, both spring flowering species flower for us reliably. The hybrid L. x squamigera is also somewhat rare to flower here also, unless we have prolonged cold winter. Interesting that both parents, L. sprengeri and L. longituba are reliable flowering species for us. We also have other hybrids of with the same parentage as L. x squamigera that flower fine, so the need for vernalization appears to have a bit of clonal variation. L. sprengeri and L. chinensis flower fine for us. Lycoris sprengeri has a very wide range, and one southern form was named by Caldwell as a new species, L. haywardii. Although the name is invalid, it would be a good form for gardeners in low chill climates if we can ever get it to multiply better. It is not nearly as easy to flower here as the more typical northern forms of L. sprengeri. Overall, however, lycoris with fall-emerging foliage are much better for low-chill climates. Tony Avent Proprietor tony@jlbg.org Juniper Level Botanic Garden and Plant Delights Nursery Ph 919.772.4794/fx 919.772.4752 9241 Sauls Road, Raleigh, North Carolina 27603 USA USDA Zone 7b/Winter 0-5 F/Summer 95-105F "Preserving, Studying, Propagating, and Sharing the World's Flora" [plant-delights-logo] Since 1988, Plant Delights Nursery is THE Source for unique, rare and native perennial plants. This message and its contents are confidential. If you received this message in error, do not use or rely upon it. Instead, please inform the sender and then delete it. Thank you. From: pbs On Behalf Of Nathan Lange Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 4:04 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] Fwd: PBS website contact:Lycoris Hi Tony, Thank you for the excellent information. Besides watering issues, the primary problem with growing the spring-emerging species at lower elevations in Northern California is the lack of cold vernalizing winter temperatures. For example, with our minimum low temps only in the mid 20's F, in order to achieve flowering, I grow L. x squamigera in exposed pots that aren't exposed to winter sunlight. How do you rate the spring-emerging species with regard to their need for vernalization relative to L. x squamigera? L. chinensis and L. sprengeri probably need less cooling? Best regards, Nathan At 01:47 PM 9/12/2018, you wrote: >Hi Jane; > >Hopefully this will help. > >Based on the extensive body of DNA research, and confirmed in our >field trials, there are only 7 lycoris species, with 1 still tbd...a >far cry from the 13-20 often cited. > >Two of the lycoris species have foliage that emerges in fall, and >five have foliage that emerges in late winter/early spring. Because >all lycoris are winter-growing, the foliage emergence times >determines their ability to withstand winter cold. Areas with >extremely cold temperatures in early fall that remains so all winter >may actually delay foliage emergence, making the plant more winter >hardy than in conditions with fluctuating winter temperatures. > >Those species with fall-emerging leaves are generally winter-hardy >to Zone 7....some clones slightly more, some slightly less. >Fall foliage (zone 7) >Lycoris aurea >Lycoris radiata > >Those species with spring-emerging leaves are generally winter-hardy >to Zone 5, possibly colder >Spring Foliage (Zone 5) >Lycoris chinensis >Lycoris longituba >Lycoris sanguinea >Lycoris shaanxiensis (virtually everything in commerce is x >straminea) with fall foliage >Lycoris sprengeri > >Tbd >Lycoris guangxiensis > >All other lycoris are hybrids. Hybrids of two spring-leaf species >retains the Zone 5 hardiness, but crosses of a spring-leaf and a >fall-leaf species, always produces offspring with fall foliage, so >the hardiness of these always reverts to Zone 7. In theory, crosses >with two spring species and one fall species could delay leaf >emergence enough to increase winter hardiness. > >Lycoris Hybrids >Many of these names are long established, most originally published >as species, which DNA has shown to be hybrids. Other names are >unpublished and only used by us as working names for the hybrids we grow. > >Fall x Fall (Zone 7) >Two species hybrids >x albiflora (syn: L. elsiae) - aurea (fall) x radiata (fall) > >Spring x Spring (Zone 5) >Two species hybrids >x caldwellii - chinensis (spring) x longituba (spring) >x chejuensis - chinensis (spring) x sanguinea (spring) >x flavescens - chinensis (spring) x sanguinea (spring) >x incarnata (same as x squamigera) >x sprenguinea (unpublished) - sprengeri (spring) x sanguinea (spring) >x sprengensis (unpublished) - sprengeri (spring) x chinensis (spring) >x squamigera (same as elegans, incarnata) - - longituba (spring) x >sprengeri (spring) > >Fall x Spring (Zone 7) >Two species hybrids >x chinaurea (unpublished)- aurea (fall) x chinensis (spring) >x cinnabarina - aurea (fall) x sanguinea (spring) >x rosea (same as jacksoniana) - radiata (fall) x sprengeri (spring) >x sprengurea - aurea (fall x sprengeri (spring) >x straminea (syn: houdyshelii) - radiata (fall) x chinensis (spring) >x rubroaurantiaca - undetermined by DNA > >Three species hybrids (2 spring x 1 fall) >x longitosea (unpublished) - longituba (spring) x sprengeri (spring) >x radiata (fall) >x roseguinea (unpublished) - radiata (fall) x sprengeri (spring) x >sanguinea (spring) >x rosensis (unpublished) - radiata (fall) x sprengeri (spring) x >chinensis (spring) > >Three species hybrids (2 fall x 1 spring) >x radichinaurea (unpublished) - radiata (fall) x aurea (fall) x >chinensis (spring) >x rosaurea (unpublished) - radiata (fall) x aurea (fall) x sprengeri (spring) > > >Tony Avent >Proprietor >tony@jlbg.org >Juniper Level Botanic >Garden and Plant Delights >Nursery >Ph 919.772.4794/fx 919.772.4752 >9241 Sauls Road, Raleigh, North Carolina 27603 USA >USDA Zone 7b/Winter 0-5 F/Summer 95-105F >"Preserving, Studying, Propagating, and Sharing the World's Flora" > >[plant-delights-logo] >Since 1988, Plant Delights Nursery is THE Source for unique, rare >and native perennial plants. > >This message and its contents are confidential. If you received this >message in error, do not use or rely upon it. Instead, please inform >the sender and then delete it. Thank you. > > >From: pbs On Behalf Of Jane McGary >Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 12:31 PM >To: Pacific Bulb Society >Subject: [pbs] Fwd: PBS website contact:Lycoris > >The following question came via the website. Could some of you who grow >Lycoris species (particularly Jim Waddick, whose archived comments led >to the question) comment on hardiness of various Lycoris species? Not >something I could answer -- this genus does badly in the far west. > >Jane McGary > > > >-------- Forwarded Message -------- >Subject: PBS website contact:Lycoris >Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 22:55:11 +0100 (BST) >From: Apache >Reply-To: Charles Heuser >To: janemcgary@earthlink.net > > > >This is a message from the PBS website for janemcgary. > >I was reading about Lycoris and the article by James W. Waddick on >Lycoris and had a question on the hardiness zones for the various >species. His hardiness zones of many of the species listed in his >article are lower than those listed for the species by other >authors. Can you explain the difference? I would like to grow more >of the species here in central PA which is in zone 6. >Thanks for the help. >Charles Heuser, PhD > >-- _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs ________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 6640 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From plantsman@comcast.net Fri, 14 Sep 2018 15:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Nathan Lange Subject: Fwd: PBS website contact:Lycoris Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:41:05 -0700 Hi Tony, Your information will definitely help people on the West Coast wanting to grow Lycoris. Both L. radiata and L. aurea (especially radiata) are relatively easy here and in the Sacramento area with adequate irrigation, both in pots and in the ground. L. longituba will also flower here in pots. I'll have to try L. "haywardii" here. It would be nice to get one of these spring-emergers to grow and flower successfully in the ground. This is definitely Amaryllis belladonna country and most, if not all, of the spring-emerging Lycoris here seem destined as potted plants. Nathan At 01:49 PM 9/14/2018, you wrote: >Hi Nathan; > >The lycoris species that seems to need the most vernalization is L. >sanguinea. We've only had 1 bulb to flower in 20+ years. Hybrids >with L. sanguinea and L. sprengeri, both spring flowering species >flower for us reliably. > >The hybrid L. x squamigera is also somewhat rare to flower here >also, unless we have prolonged cold winter. Interesting that both >parents, L. sprengeri and L. longituba are reliable flowering >species for us. We also have other hybrids of with the same >parentage as L. x squamigera that flower fine, so the need for >vernalization appears to have a bit of clonal variation. > >L. sprengeri and L. chinensis flower fine for us. Lycoris sprengeri >has a very wide range, and one southern form was named by Caldwell >as a new species, L. haywardii. Although the name is invalid, it >would be a good form for gardeners in low chill climates if we can >ever get it to multiply better. It is not nearly as easy to flower >here as the more typical northern forms of L. sprengeri. > >Overall, however, lycoris with fall-emerging foliage are much better >for low-chill climates. > >Tony Avent >Proprietor >tony@jlbg.org >Juniper Level Botanic >Garden and Plant Delights >Nursery >Ph 919.772.4794/fx 919.772.4752 >9241 Sauls Road, Raleigh, North Carolina 27603 USA >USDA Zone 7b/Winter 0-5 F/Summer 95-105F >"Preserving, Studying, Propagating, and Sharing the World's Flora" > >[plant-delights-logo] >Since 1988, Plant Delights Nursery is THE Source for unique, rare >and native perennial plants. > >This message and its contents are confidential. If you received this >message in error, do not use or rely upon it. Instead, please inform >the sender and then delete it. Thank you. > > >From: pbs On Behalf Of Nathan Lange >Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 4:04 PM >To: Pacific Bulb Society >Subject: Re: [pbs] Fwd: PBS website contact:Lycoris > > >Hi Tony, > >Thank you for the excellent information. Besides watering issues, the >primary problem with growing the spring-emerging species at lower >elevations in Northern California is the lack of cold vernalizing >winter temperatures. For example, with our minimum low temps only in >the mid 20's F, in order to achieve flowering, I grow L. x squamigera >in exposed pots that aren't exposed to winter sunlight. How do you >rate the spring-emerging species with regard to their need for >vernalization relative to L. x squamigera? L. chinensis and L. >sprengeri probably need less cooling? > >Best regards, >Nathan > > >At 01:47 PM 9/12/2018, you wrote: > >Hi Jane; > > > >Hopefully this will help. > > > >Based on the extensive body of DNA research, and confirmed in our > >field trials, there are only 7 lycoris species, with 1 still tbd...a > >far cry from the 13-20 often cited. > > > >Two of the lycoris species have foliage that emerges in fall, and > >five have foliage that emerges in late winter/early spring. Because > >all lycoris are winter-growing, the foliage emergence times > >determines their ability to withstand winter cold. Areas with > >extremely cold temperatures in early fall that remains so all winter > >may actually delay foliage emergence, making the plant more winter > >hardy than in conditions with fluctuating winter temperatures. > > > >Those species with fall-emerging leaves are generally winter-hardy > >to Zone 7....some clones slightly more, some slightly less. > >Fall foliage (zone 7) > >Lycoris aurea > >Lycoris radiata > > > >Those species with spring-emerging leaves are generally winter-hardy > >to Zone 5, possibly colder > >Spring Foliage (Zone 5) > >Lycoris chinensis > >Lycoris longituba > >Lycoris sanguinea > >Lycoris shaanxiensis (virtually everything in commerce is x > >straminea) with fall foliage > >Lycoris sprengeri > > > >Tbd > >Lycoris guangxiensis > > > >All other lycoris are hybrids. Hybrids of two spring-leaf species > >retains the Zone 5 hardiness, but crosses of a spring-leaf and a > >fall-leaf species, always produces offspring with fall foliage, so > >the hardiness of these always reverts to Zone 7. In theory, crosses > >with two spring species and one fall species could delay leaf > >emergence enough to increase winter hardiness. > > > >Lycoris Hybrids > >Many of these names are long established, most originally published > >as species, which DNA has shown to be hybrids. Other names are > >unpublished and only used by us as working names for the hybrids we grow. > > > >Fall x Fall (Zone 7) > >Two species hybrids > >x albiflora (syn: L. elsiae) - aurea (fall) x radiata (fall) > > > >Spring x Spring (Zone 5) > >Two species hybrids > >x caldwellii - chinensis (spring) x longituba (spring) > >x chejuensis - chinensis (spring) x sanguinea (spring) > >x flavescens - chinensis (spring) x sanguinea (spring) > >x incarnata (same as x squamigera) > >x sprenguinea (unpublished) - sprengeri (spring) x sanguinea (spring) > >x sprengensis (unpublished) - sprengeri (spring) x chinensis (spring) > >x squamigera (same as elegans, incarnata) - - longituba (spring) x > >sprengeri (spring) > > > >Fall x Spring (Zone 7) > >Two species hybrids > >x chinaurea (unpublished)- aurea (fall) x chinensis (spring) > >x cinnabarina - aurea (fall) x sanguinea (spring) > >x rosea (same as jacksoniana) - radiata (fall) x sprengeri (spring) > >x sprengurea - aurea (fall x sprengeri (spring) > >x straminea (syn: houdyshelii) - radiata (fall) x chinensis (spring) > >x rubroaurantiaca - undetermined by DNA > > > >Three species hybrids (2 spring x 1 fall) > >x longitosea (unpublished) - longituba (spring) x sprengeri (spring) > >x radiata (fall) > >x roseguinea (unpublished) - radiata (fall) x sprengeri (spring) x > >sanguinea (spring) > >x rosensis (unpublished) - radiata (fall) x sprengeri (spring) x > >chinensis (spring) > > > >Three species hybrids (2 fall x 1 spring) > >x radichinaurea (unpublished) - radiata (fall) x aurea (fall) x > >chinensis (spring) > >x rosaurea (unpublished) - radiata (fall) x aurea (fall) x > sprengeri (spring) > > > > > >Tony Avent > >Proprietor > >tony@jlbg.org :tony@jlbg.org%3e> > >Juniper Level Botanic > >Garden rlevelbotanicgarden.org/%3e> and Plant Delights > >Nursery > >Ph 919.772.4794/fx 919.772.4752 > >9241 Sauls Road, Raleigh, North Carolina 27603 USA > >USDA Zone 7b/Winter 0-5 F/Summer 95-105F > >"Preserving, Studying, Propagating, and Sharing the World's Flora" > > > >[plant-delights-logo] > >Since 1988, Plant Delights Nursery is THE Source for unique, rare > >and native perennial plants. > > > >This message and its contents are confidential. If you received this > >message in error, do not use or rely upon it. Instead, please inform > >the sender and then delete it. Thank you. > > > > > >From: pbs > > On Behalf Of Jane McGary > >Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 12:31 PM > >To: Pacific Bulb Society > > >Subject: [pbs] Fwd: PBS website contact:Lycoris > > > >The following question came via the website. Could some of you who grow > >Lycoris species (particularly Jim Waddick, whose archived comments led > >to the question) comment on hardiness of various Lycoris species? Not > >something I could answer -- this genus does badly in the far west. > > > >Jane McGary > > > > > > > >-------- Forwarded Message -------- > >Subject: PBS website contact:Lycoris > >Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 22:55:11 +0100 (BST) > >From: Apache > > >Reply-To: Charles Heuser > > >To: > janemcgary@earthlink.net > > > > > > > >This is a message from the PBS website for janemcgary. > > > >I was reading about Lycoris and the article by James W. Waddick on > >Lycoris and had a question on the hardiness zones for the various > >species. His hardiness zones of many of the species listed in his > >article are lower than those listed for the species by other > >authors. Can you explain the difference? I would like to grow more > >of the species here in central PA which is in zone 6. > >Thanks for the help. > >Charles Heuser, PhD > > > >-- > >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > >________________________________ >-------------- next part -------------- >A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >Name: image001.jpg >Type: image/jpeg >Size: 6640 bytes >Desc: image001.jpg >URL: > >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Fri, 14 Sep 2018 15:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <724039057.5236488.1536962719262@mail.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: Fwd: PBS website contact:Lycoris Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 22:05:19 +0000 (UTC) Tony wrote: "the lycoris species that seems to need the most vernalization is L. sanguinea. "That's not surprising: Lycoris sanguinea was being grown in New England over a century ago. In my Maryland garden it seems to be more vulnerable to bulb fly.than the other Lycoris I grow. Perhaps its small bulb size is a factor. Jim McKenneyMontgomery County, Maryland,  USA, USDA zone 7, where some of the big garden colchicums are blooming.  _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jpsknisely@gmail.com Fri, 14 Sep 2018 16:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jonathan Knisely Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 19, Issue 15 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 18:38:29 -0400 > > > > Re: Fwd: PBS website contact:Lycoris (Tony Avent) > Can some of you who have trouble with vernalizing lycoris (e.g Lycoris > sanguinea and any others that don't readily bloom for your 'too warm' local > conditions) conduct an experiment for me? How about putting ice chips on > top of the site where the lycoris bulbs are planted. It's supposed to work > for peonies, and is a commodity readily available. It may be worth the > effort, and the information you could provide would be of value to others. > > Jonathan Knisely > New Haven, CT USDA 6a > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Hi Tony, > > Thank you for the excellent information. Besides watering issues, the > primary problem with growing the spring-emerging species at lower > elevations in Northern California is the lack of cold vernalizing > winter temperatures. For example, with our minimum low temps only in > the mid 20's F, in order to achieve flowering, I grow L. x squamigera > in exposed pots that aren't exposed to winter sunlight. How do you > rate the spring-emerging species with regard to their need for > vernalization relative to L. x squamigera? L. chinensis and L. > sprengeri probably need less cooling? > > Best regards, > Nathan > > > At 01:47 PM 9/12/2018, you wrote: > >Hi Jane; > > > >Hopefully this will help. > > > >Based on the extensive body of DNA research, and confirmed in our > >field trials, there are only 7 lycoris species, with 1 still tbd...a > >far cry from the 13-20 often cited. > > > >Two of the lycoris species have foliage that emerges in fall, and > >five have foliage that emerges in late winter/early spring. Because > >all lycoris are winter-growing, the foliage emergence times > >determines their ability to withstand winter cold. Areas with > >extremely cold temperatures in early fall that remains so all winter > >may actually delay foliage emergence, making the plant more winter > >hardy than in conditions with fluctuating winter temperatures. > > > >Those species with fall-emerging leaves are generally winter-hardy > >to Zone 7....some clones slightly more, some slightly less. > >Fall foliage (zone 7) > >Lycoris aurea > >Lycoris radiata > > > >Those species with spring-emerging leaves are generally winter-hardy > >to Zone 5, possibly colder > >Spring Foliage (Zone 5) > >Lycoris chinensis > >Lycoris longituba > >Lycoris sanguinea > >Lycoris shaanxiensis (virtually everything in commerce is x > >straminea) with fall foliage > >Lycoris sprengeri > > > >Tbd > >Lycoris guangxiensis > > > >All other lycoris are hybrids. Hybrids of two spring-leaf species > >retains the Zone 5 hardiness, but crosses of a spring-leaf and a > >fall-leaf species, always produces offspring with fall foliage, so > >the hardiness of these always reverts to Zone 7. In theory, crosses > >with two spring species and one fall species could delay leaf > >emergence enough to increase winter hardiness. > > > >Lycoris Hybrids > >Many of these names are long established, most originally published > >as species, which DNA has shown to be hybrids. Other names are > >unpublished and only used by us as working names for the hybrids we grow. > > > >Fall x Fall (Zone 7) > >Two species hybrids > >x albiflora (syn: L. elsiae) - aurea (fall) x radiata (fall) > > > >Spring x Spring (Zone 5) > >Two species hybrids > >x caldwellii - chinensis (spring) x longituba (spring) > >x chejuensis - chinensis (spring) x sanguinea (spring) > >x flavescens - chinensis (spring) x sanguinea (spring) > >x incarnata (same as x squamigera) > >x sprenguinea (unpublished) - sprengeri (spring) x sanguinea (spring) > >x sprengensis (unpublished) - sprengeri (spring) x chinensis (spring) > >x squamigera (same as elegans, incarnata) - - longituba (spring) x > >sprengeri (spring) > > > >Fall x Spring (Zone 7) > >Two species hybrids > >x chinaurea (unpublished)- aurea (fall) x chinensis (spring) > >x cinnabarina - aurea (fall) x sanguinea (spring) > >x rosea (same as jacksoniana) - radiata (fall) x sprengeri (spring) > >x sprengurea - aurea (fall x sprengeri (spring) > >x straminea (syn: houdyshelii) - radiata (fall) x chinensis (spring) > >x rubroaurantiaca - undetermined by DNA > > > >Three species hybrids (2 spring x 1 fall) > >x longitosea (unpublished) - longituba (spring) x sprengeri (spring) > >x radiata (fall) > >x roseguinea (unpublished) - radiata (fall) x sprengeri (spring) x > >sanguinea (spring) > >x rosensis (unpublished) - radiata (fall) x sprengeri (spring) x > >chinensis (spring) > > > >Three species hybrids (2 fall x 1 spring) > >x radichinaurea (unpublished) - radiata (fall) x aurea (fall) x > >chinensis (spring) > >x rosaurea (unpublished) - radiata (fall) x aurea (fall) x sprengeri > (spring) > > > > > >Tony Avent > >Proprietor > > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From plantsman@comcast.net Fri, 14 Sep 2018 18:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Nathan Lange Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 19, Issue 15 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 18:05:30 -0700 Hi Jonathan, My plants are not an experiment. I have no controls. Ice might work but peonies are closer to the surface than Lycoris bulbs. I'm not thrilled about the prospect of carrying ice outside every day for at least 6 to 8 weeks. Growing them in pots seems easier if you want to manipulate their environment. I picked a location to set the pots in the winter that is away from all nearby objects, completely exposed to the winter night sky, but is also shaded from the low winter sun by the shadow of a distant tall object (trees) because I didn't want to move the pots around every day. So far, less than 50% of my L. x squamigera bulbs have flowered during any given year. Since flowering percentage is a measure of vernalization, this might indicate I'm right on the edge. On the other hand, all of my plants emerge at the same time which indicates that they are, at least, partially vernalized. However, when I lived in the Midwest, the percentage of L. x squamigera bulbs that flowered was always well below 100% for all populations I ever observed growing in the ground. Undoubtedly, other factors such as bulb size influence flowering percentage. High temps during early spring can reduce bulb size. Tony's information indicates there are better spring-emerging species and hybrids to try on the West Coast than L. x squamigera. As for growing them in pots, they survived our record breaking 50+ inches of rain during the 2016/17 winter. Bulb fly is also a problem with L. radiata, a close relative of L. sanguinea. Best regards, Nathan At 03:38 PM 9/14/2018, you wrote: > > > > > > > > Re: Fwd: PBS website contact:Lycoris (Tony Avent) > > > > > Can some of you who have trouble with vernalizing lycoris (e.g Lycoris > > sanguinea and any others that don't readily bloom for your 'too warm' local > > conditions) conduct an experiment for me? How about putting ice chips on > > top of the site where the lycoris bulbs are planted. It's supposed to work > > for peonies, and is a commodity readily available. It may be worth the > > effort, and the information you could provide would be of value to others. > > > > Jonathan Knisely > > New Haven, CT USDA 6a > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Hi Tony, > > > > Thank you for the excellent information. Besides watering issues, the > > primary problem with growing the spring-emerging species at lower > > elevations in Northern California is the lack of cold vernalizing > > winter temperatures. For example, with our minimum low temps only in > > the mid 20's F, in order to achieve flowering, I grow L. x squamigera > > in exposed pots that aren't exposed to winter sunlight. How do you > > rate the spring-emerging species with regard to their need for > > vernalization relative to L. x squamigera? L. chinensis and L. > > sprengeri probably need less cooling? > > > > Best regards, > > Nathan > > > > > > At 01:47 PM 9/12/2018, you wrote: > > >Hi Jane; > > > > > >Hopefully this will help. > > > > > >Based on the extensive body of DNA research, and confirmed in our > > >field trials, there are only 7 lycoris species, with 1 still tbd...a > > >far cry from the 13-20 often cited. > > > > > >Two of the lycoris species have foliage that emerges in fall, and > > >five have foliage that emerges in late winter/early spring. Because > > >all lycoris are winter-growing, the foliage emergence times > > >determines their ability to withstand winter cold. Areas with > > >extremely cold temperatures in early fall that remains so all winter > > >may actually delay foliage emergence, making the plant more winter > > >hardy than in conditions with fluctuating winter temperatures. > > > > > >Those species with fall-emerging leaves are generally winter-hardy > > >to Zone 7....some clones slightly more, some slightly less. > > >Fall foliage (zone 7) > > >Lycoris aurea > > >Lycoris radiata > > > > > >Those species with spring-emerging leaves are generally winter-hardy > > >to Zone 5, possibly colder > > >Spring Foliage (Zone 5) > > >Lycoris chinensis > > >Lycoris longituba > > >Lycoris sanguinea > > >Lycoris shaanxiensis (virtually everything in commerce is x > > >straminea) with fall foliage > > >Lycoris sprengeri > > > > > >Tbd > > >Lycoris guangxiensis > > > > > >All other lycoris are hybrids. Hybrids of two spring-leaf species > > >retains the Zone 5 hardiness, but crosses of a spring-leaf and a > > >fall-leaf species, always produces offspring with fall foliage, so > > >the hardiness of these always reverts to Zone 7. In theory, crosses > > >with two spring species and one fall species could delay leaf > > >emergence enough to increase winter hardiness. > > > > > >Lycoris Hybrids > > >Many of these names are long established, most originally published > > >as species, which DNA has shown to be hybrids. Other names are > > >unpublished and only used by us as working names for the hybrids we grow. > > > > > >Fall x Fall (Zone 7) > > >Two species hybrids > > >x albiflora (syn: L. elsiae) - aurea (fall) x radiata (fall) > > > > > >Spring x Spring (Zone 5) > > >Two species hybrids > > >x caldwellii - chinensis (spring) x longituba (spring) > > >x chejuensis - chinensis (spring) x sanguinea (spring) > > >x flavescens - chinensis (spring) x sanguinea (spring) > > >x incarnata (same as x squamigera) > > >x sprenguinea (unpublished) - sprengeri (spring) x sanguinea (spring) > > >x sprengensis (unpublished) - sprengeri (spring) x chinensis (spring) > > >x squamigera (same as elegans, incarnata) - - longituba (spring) x > > >sprengeri (spring) > > > > > >Fall x Spring (Zone 7) > > >Two species hybrids > > >x chinaurea (unpublished)- aurea (fall) x chinensis (spring) > > >x cinnabarina - aurea (fall) x sanguinea (spring) > > >x rosea (same as jacksoniana) - radiata (fall) x sprengeri (spring) > > >x sprengurea - aurea (fall x sprengeri (spring) > > >x straminea (syn: houdyshelii) - radiata (fall) x chinensis (spring) > > >x rubroaurantiaca - undetermined by DNA > > > > > >Three species hybrids (2 spring x 1 fall) > > >x longitosea (unpublished) - longituba (spring) x sprengeri (spring) > > >x radiata (fall) > > >x roseguinea (unpublished) - radiata (fall) x sprengeri (spring) x > > >sanguinea (spring) > > >x rosensis (unpublished) - radiata (fall) x sprengeri (spring) x > > >chinensis (spring) > > > > > >Three species hybrids (2 fall x 1 spring) > > >x radichinaurea (unpublished) - radiata (fall) x aurea (fall) x > > >chinensis (spring) > > >x rosaurea (unpublished) - radiata (fall) x aurea (fall) x sprengeri > > (spring) > > > > > > > > >Tony Avent > > >Proprietor > > > > >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jane@deskhenge.com Fri, 14 Sep 2018 21:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jane Sargent Subject: Long toms Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 23:35:59 -0400 I used to make my own pots out of clay, but that was a long time ago, almost in another life. While I love the concept of 3D printing, it works best for small runs. It would take you forever and a whole lot of fairly expensive plastic to make 250 pots, for example, but it might be just the thing for 15 pots. The next step up is injection molding, a plastic technology for making lots of identical objects more cheaply. If PBS members in the aggregate would want to buy hundreds of some standard size of long tom pots, perhaps with a decoration or PBS logo, probably injection molding would be the inexpensive way to produce them. What I always liked about ceramic pots, other than the sense of nearly total control over their production, was that they were heavy enough that they rarely fell over. It was fun to make them with little lugs so that they could be hung up by a cord, also. They could even have drainage holes and an attached saucer. They could be porous or not. If money is no object (doubtful proposition,) they could solve most problems that pots pose. Plastic is much cheaper and doesn't break if you drop it. It can be made with holes for a cord, even, and in many offensive or non-offensive colors. Jane Sargent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From david@davidpilling.com Sat, 15 Sep 2018 06:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <34b80c2b-9587-bf9b-a201-cb2b3b40faee@davidpilling.com> From: David Pilling Subject: Long toms Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 13:43:01 +0100 Hi, My idea for a pot for growing seedling bulbs would be 2 inches square, 6 inches high Such dimensions are likely to fall over, so it would have an interlocking design to allow pots to support one another. It would have legs, so that the bottom of the pot is well clear of the bottom of the seed tray - preventing water accumulating. I'd probably copy that design (can't recall the name) which just has a cross to support the compost - again promoting free drainage (or maybe have a lattice bottom). I do have long toms, for growing clematis in, I can see the attraction for full size bulbs, but their volume is too big for seedlings. In the past I cut lengths of 2 inch diameter water pipe to make long pots. -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From thorne.fred@gmail.com Sat, 15 Sep 2018 06:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <5b9d0084.1c69fb81.71c3c.3853@mx.google.com> From: Frederick Thorne Subject: Long toms Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 07:52:18 -0500 Good morning, I have used with great success forestry seedling tubes, they have a rack that they fit into so they do not fall over. I have then planted the bulbs on using the larger tree pots again with the rack designed to keep from falling over. https://www.greenhousemegastore.com/cone-tainers Regards, Fred Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: David Pilling Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 7:43 AM To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Subject: Re: [pbs] Long toms Hi, My idea for a pot for growing seedling bulbs would be 2 inches square, 6 inches high Such dimensions are likely to fall over, so it would have an interlocking design to allow pots to support one another. It would have legs, so that the bottom of the pot is well clear of the bottom of the seed tray - preventing water accumulating. I'd probably copy that design (can't recall the name) which just has a cross to support the compost - again promoting free drainage (or maybe have a lattice bottom). I do have long toms, for growing clematis in, I can see the attraction for full size bulbs, but their volume is too big for seedlings. In the past I cut lengths of 2 inch diameter water pipe to make long pots. -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From fbiasella@watertownsavings.com Sat, 15 Sep 2018 07:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <9784b8851c3648dd811e4ab122243ee3@S1P7MBX2C.EXCHPROD.USA.NET> From: Fred Biasella Subject: Long toms Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 14:12:06 +0000 Hi All I just checked online and Repotme.com has "Long Toms", but I can't figure out if they're injection molded and more rigid or the cheap blow molded type. https://www.repotme.com/orchid-pots/Orchid-Pot-Black-Tall-5.html https://www.repotme.com/orchid-pots/Orchid-Pot-Black-Tall-6.html For the hobbyist, they're not that expensive but if you're buying a lot of them then it may get a bit expensive. Fred -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net] On Behalf Of David Pilling Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 8:43 AM To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Subject: Re: [pbs] Long toms Hi, My idea for a pot for growing seedling bulbs would be 2 inches square, 6 inches high Such dimensions are likely to fall over, so it would have an interlocking design to allow pots to support one another. It would have legs, so that the bottom of the pot is well clear of the bottom of the seed tray - preventing water accumulating. I'd probably copy that design (can't recall the name) which just has a cross to support the compost - again promoting free drainage (or maybe have a lattice bottom). I do have long toms, for growing clematis in, I can see the attraction for full size bulbs, but their volume is too big for seedlings. In the past I cut lengths of 2 inch diameter water pipe to make long pots. -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From teck11@embarqmail.com Sat, 15 Sep 2018 08:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <002201d44d02$b3333d20$1999b760$@embarqmail.com> From: "Tim Eck" Subject: Long toms Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 10:45:06 -0400 Used tree tubes and rolled 'blueprint' Mylar sheets work well too. The rolled sheets (with tape) make repotting a snap. Some people just fill a rectangular recycling bin (with drainage holes) with rolled mylars and don't bother with bottoms. Tim Eck "Time is nature's way of preventing everything from happening at once." Anon. > -----Original Message----- > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net] On Behalf Of > David Pilling > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 8:43 AM > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: Re: [pbs] Long toms > > Hi, > > My idea for a pot for growing seedling bulbs would be > > 2 inches square, 6 inches high > > Such dimensions are likely to fall over, so it would have an > interlocking design to allow pots to support one another. > > It would have legs, so that the bottom of the pot is well clear of the > bottom of the seed tray - preventing water accumulating. > > I'd probably copy that design (can't recall the name) which just has a > cross to support the compost - again promoting free drainage (or maybe > have a lattice bottom). > > I do have long toms, for growing clematis in, I can see the attraction > for full size bulbs, but their volume is too big for seedlings. > > In the past I cut lengths of 2 inch diameter water pipe to make long pots. > > > -- > David Pilling > www.davidpilling.com > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From erik@tepuidesign.com Sat, 15 Sep 2018 08:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Erik Van Lennep Subject: Bulb pots, was Repotting Rodophilia Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 16:55:43 +0200 Nice idea. Support your local potters and craftspeople. That's how we reclaim and build local economies too, so there are multiple benefits to doing so. And if you're feeling particularly crafty yourself, there might be pottery studio in your area where you could take a few classes and build your own pots in the process! (I say 'build' as if you don't have experience in 'throwing' on a potter's wheel, you can use other 'hand building' techniques). Raku pottery is extra fun if you can find a studio that does that. youth and elders short video http://www.linkedin.com/in/erikvanlennep Listen to 'Designers of Paradise' @​Green_Heart <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> *“Another world is not only possible, she is already on her way. On quiet days I can hear her breathing.” * - Arundhati Roy *"It's far too late for pessimism"* - Dee Hock On 14 September 2018 at 18:32, Jane McGary wrote: > If 3D printing and plastic bulb pots don't appeal to you, see your > friendly neighborhood potter of the traditional, wheel-throwing variety. At > our NARGS chapter meetings in Portland, we often admire the bulbs Terry > Laskiewicz grows in the pots her partner Stan Gibson, a professional > potter, makes especially for such plants. I particularly liked seeing one > of the yellow-and-brown Fritillaria species in a pot with a coordinating > glaze. I've bought a number of Stan's deep stoneware pots and wide pans for > bulbs I need to move around rather than keeping them in my unheated bulb > house. They have tasteful, unobtrusive glazes or other surface treatments, > and big, sometimes multiple drainage holes. I've also seen some unusual > pots made by local artist/gardeners for succulents or aquatic plants, > sometimes imitating the textures and forms of the plants they hold. > > For the plunged pots in the bulb house I use either unglazed terracotta > (the harder ones from Italy are best), or plastic mesh pots. The best > brand of the latter is Finofil, which is hard to get in the USA but readily > available in the UK. Lately I've been searching through the various kinds > of mesh pots sold for hydroponic growing, available through "indoor > gardening" suppliers, which have become almost as ubiquitous as shops > selling the product of indoor gardening since Oregon legalized it. > > Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA > > > On 9/14/2018 6:18 AM, David Pilling wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> On 14/09/2018 12:37, Wylie Young via pbs wrote: >> >>> You are right that the UK/Europe has some good pots for them. >>> >> >> 3D printing has become a low cost at home reality, so if anyone has a >> bright idea for the perfect bulb pot, it is now easy. We'll even put your >> design on the PBS website. >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From michaelcmace@gmail.com Sat, 15 Sep 2018 11:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <042c01d44d1b$52767e20$f7637a60$@gmail.com> From: "Michael Mace" Subject: Long toms Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 10:41:22 -0700 This has been discussed on the list before, but not recently, so it's worth repeating: If you're in the US, an excellent source for tall plastic pots is Stuewe & Sons, https://www.stuewe.com/ They supply a bewildering variety of tall pots to the tree nursery industry, and also racks to hold them upright. You've got to order in quantity (something like a hundred at a time), but I've bought from them and was pleased. My only complaint: The pots I got were not designed for long duration use. Mine started to become brittle after a few years in the sun. I spray-painted some of them with white paint on the outside as a sun-blocker, and that helped a lot. Mike San Jose, CA _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sat, 15 Sep 2018 11:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <8d6cdbcb-b53d-1ebf-91c5-f7db24c65eb7@earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: Long toms Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 10:43:20 -0700 The pots with "a cross at the bottom to support the compost" David Pilling described are called "band pots" in the USA. They're intended to be held in deep grid-bottom flats (trays) (called "prop[agation] flats), but if the pots are going to be handled and sold individually, growers often cut squares of window screening to hold the compost in. You can get many sizes (both height and width) from nursery supply companies, but you have to buy in quantity. They are good for young bulbs. I don't use many myself because I move my pots around so much and don't want to fuss with cutting the screens for the base; I use 3.5-inch plastic pots with 8 drainage holes (bottom and side) manufactured by the Anderson company. There are a couple of manufacturers of plastic pots in my area. Many other kinds of pots can be bought here, including very large ones with a very open grid intended for growing young trees in the field -- they can be root pruned and lifted when ready to sell. You could line them with woven groundcloth if you wanted a very free-draining free-standing pot. Now that hydroponic growing of cannabis is so popular, suppliers stock various sizes of plastic mesh pots, but most of them have too large a mesh to keep young bulbs from growing out, but I did find some useful 6-inch ones at one store. I've preferred mesh pots for years for growing geophytes that produce extensive annual roots, such as some irises. That discussion is probably as annoying to people in other parts of the country as Northwesterners' frequent mention of ground pumice as a growing medium. Potter Stan Gibson has made some very attractive "long toms" (tall cylindrical pots), and I have a few; one of them hosts Lewisia tweedyi, for instance. I also have a couple of terracotta long toms that were custom-made for Rae Selling Berry, a great gardener and primrose enthusiast of the previous age, but they're probably too fragile to be anything but collector's items. Such pots were the choice since Victorian times for growing alpines with deep-delving roots. When you have to accommodate the root extension of a delicate plant, you can knock out the bottom of its clay pot and set it into a larger, deeper pot without disturbing the root system; I have a Daphne growing that way, and it's getting too heavy. Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From robin@hansennursery.com Sat, 15 Sep 2018 11:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <002001d44d1d$b0499670$10dcc350$@hansennursery.com> From: "Hansen Nursery" Subject: Long toms Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 10:58:18 -0700 Jane mentions Stan Gibson of Longview WA, a potter who makes long toms. I've also bought several of them that have held up very well, except for the rare occasion with the dogs get carried away with play. He ships his pots and is a vendor at Hortlandia, the yearly plant sale in Portland at the Expo Center. I've also found very similar, good quality terra cotta pots that were high-fired at a local garden store south of Bandon. Don't know where they're made (Italy maybe?) but the prices are reasonable and they've held up well also. No need for flats to hold them upright. I'd rather have Stan's pots but these do in a pinch. I think checking around for more specialized nurseries in your area and asking if you don't see any would help. The extra large glazed pots too often have a single hole too small to be of use unless you double pot. Robin Hansen Nursery robin@hansennursery.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From bulbexchange@gmail.com Sat, 15 Sep 2018 16:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Albert Stella Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 447 Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 18:54:21 -0400 Dear All, The items listed below have been donated by our members and friends to be shared. If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at bulbexchange@gmail.com Include "BX 447” in the subject line. SPECIFY THE ITEM NUMBERS. DO NOT SPECIFY QUANTITIES. PLEASE INCLUDE YOUR SNAIL MAIL ADDRESS, too. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money you owe (usually $2.00 – $5.00 per share of seeds or bulbs + postage and packaging charges), and instructions about how to pay. PAYMENT IS DUE AS SOON AS YOU RECEIVE YOUR PACKAGE. Many of you are subscribers to this pbs elist which is free, but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society which has a yearly membership charge. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO UP-TO-DATE MEMBERS of the Pacific Bulb Society. If you are not a member, consider joining so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website: < http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/> If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS, please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: Albert Stella 4403 Graceland Ct. Raleigh, NC 27606 USA Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations. Non US donors should contact Al for instructions before sending seeds. ALL ORDERS TO THE FOLLOWING EMAIL ADDRESS ONLY. Al’s email address: bulbexchange@gmail.com Do not hit the reply tab or you will reply to all PBS members by mistake. I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! From Mary Sue Ittner 1. Griffinia aracensis - few, many small 2. Oxalis palmifrons 3. Brodiaea pallida - very rare plant, grows in wet spot so needs to be watered until it flowers (often it stops raining in California before then). Offsets from corms or seed I don't remember which I obtained from the Robinetts in the 1980s. 4. Haemanthus humilis subsp. humilis ex. Thomas River form 5. Nerine krigei seed 6. Allium amplectens 7. Babiana vanzijliae 8. Brodiaea minor (B. purdyi) 9. Spiloxene capensis 10. Narcissus romieuxii 11. Veltheimia bracteata seed - OP, from forms with yellow and red flowers (see wiki) 12. Romulea ramiflora 13. Tritonia crocata From Kipp McMichael (All Bulbs) 14. Dichelostemma sp. (capitatum?) K1210P.D?01 Nevada County 15. Ferraria crispa K1308P.FC01 - Duggan 16. Brodiaea terrestris K11P.BT01 - Carolina St. serpentine, Potrero Hill, SF 17. Dichelostemma volubile K11P.DV01 - HWY 90 Tulare County, 2011 18. Tritonia crispa K10S.TC01 - SilverHill 19. Allium falcifolium? K11P.A?01 - Fairfax Bolinas serpentine, 2011 20. Freesia caryophyllaceae K10P.FC01 21. Babiana ringens K11P.BR01 - SilverHill 22. Gladiolus equitans K13105.GE01 23. Ferraria uncinata K1308P.FU01 - Duggan 24. Triteleia laxa K10P.TL01 - Nevada County 25. DIchelostemma capitatum K10P.DC01 - Nevada County 26. Ferraria divaricata K1308P.FD02 - Duggan 27. Daubenya zeyheri K12105,DZ01 28. Ferraria ferrariola K1308P.FF01 - Duggan 29. DIchelostemma congestum? K10P.DC02 - Nevada County 30. Lachenalia reflexa KB105.LR01 31. Massonia pustulata K11S.MP01 - Duggan 32. Calochortus kennedyi 1509.CK01 33. Calochortus amoenus - Camp Nelson, 2011 34. Calochortus luteus? - Mt. Tamalpais, serpemtime rock springs 35. Polyxena sp. - SilverHill (Most of Polyxena has been moved to Lachenalia with a few now in Massonia and Daubenya) 36. Veltheimia capensis Thanks Mary Sue and Kipp!! Good Luck! Albert _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sat, 15 Sep 2018 16:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: oooOIOooo via pbs Subject: Romneya coulteri Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 23:02:53 +0000 I ask Californians for some information on this huge poppy with some trepidation. It isn't in our photographs section. It doesn't have a bulb, just large tapering roots, like Ranunculus, which is in our Wiki. However, it is Pacific, and it does come back in fall from a large underground water storage system. I see it in California freeway landscapes, on slopes that did not exist before road construction. (Or did it sprout naturally?) I have seen it growing wild, in the grassland and oak zone, along Highway 74 east of San Juan Capistrano in Orange County. (There are beautiful Dudleya pulverulenta along this road, as well.) I have seen it in the canyons of Saddleback Mountain in the same region. For decades, the Sunset Book has said this is suitable for Sunset Zone 13, where I live in Phoenix. But, nor I nor more experienced plantspeople have been able to get it through the first summer after fall planting. I visited Orange County over Labor Day and couldn't resist buying another plant in a 1 gallon / 3.79 liter can at Green Thumb Nursery off Interstate 5 at El Toro Road in Lake Forest. The plants were the largest I've seen for sale in 1 gallons. They look like they are grown from root cuttings: There is a horizontal piece of root at the soil surface, from which leafy tops have sprouted. The soil was moist at the nursery. I will wait to plant it until nights are cooling down, and for now I am giving it only a few hours of late afternoon sun, keeping the sun off the container. I am also watering sparingly, just when it is near wilting. Our late fall, winter and early spring are probably great for this plant. We get occasional light overnight frosts and gentle winter rain, as along the coast. We get a lot less winter rain than coastal California has experienced in the past, so I will probably need to provide supplemental winter irrigation. In late spring and early summer we have the hottest temperatures, 110+ / 44C+; it does not rain, and humidity is very low, something like really bad Santa Ana conditions without wind. From mid July on we have lower temperatures, usually in the mid 100s / 38-42C, and somewhat higher humidity when it is not raining. We get sporadic thunderstorms with dramatically lower temperatures and heavy rainfall during this time. So, my questions: Does CalTrans provide summer water for some landscapes in the Orange County and San Diego areas, where I have seen this planted along freeways? Is it evergreen in California with summer water? Is it better to give some summer water the first year? Will our normal monsoon rain probably be enough? Or should I protect it from rain? Would it be better to plant it in rocky soil, or in deeper soil? In California I have only seen it on deep soils, not rocky areas, but I haven't hiked everywhere. A rocky area here would dry much faster after a monsoon rain during the warm summer dormancy, but also in the cool growing season. Has anybody seen it growing in anything other than full sun all day in California? A lot of full-sun plants from elsewhere tolerate our heat better with morning sun and afternoon shade, or dappled shade, as under a well-trimmed mesquite. When I plant it, should I bury the exposed root cutting? If the tops don't die down next spring, should I cut them off? Or should I let it die back normally? Should I cover the root zone with something to keep the sun off the soil? Do they always die back in summer? Thanks, Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA Zone 9? Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jwickham@sbcglobal.net Sat, 15 Sep 2018 17:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <1690838258.4628823.1537054741410@mail.yahoo.com> From: John Wickham Subject: Romneya coulteri Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 23:39:01 +0000 (UTC) Leo, I've seen it growing on the side of the road, with a steep hill on the other side...fast drainage. I have it growing in clay at my home. They will take summer water. A lot of people have trouble getting them established, but once they are they can be assertive. Don't mess with the roots when planting, they don't like that. Which is funny, because they are typically grown from root cuttings. I'd try giving it some water until the monsoons come along, but let it dry out between watering. The Ventura mountains where I see it growing can get monsoon rains as well, though probably not what you experience, so I don't think that would be a significant problem. Maybe your soil drains too fast? John WickhamLos Angeles On Saturday, September 15, 2018 4:03 PM, oooOIOooo via pbs wrote: I ask Californians for some information on this huge poppy with some trepidation. It isn't in our photographs section. It doesn't have a bulb, just large tapering roots, like Ranunculus, which is in our Wiki. However, it is Pacific, and it does come back in fall from a large underground water storage system. I see it in California freeway landscapes, on slopes that did not exist before road construction. (Or did it sprout naturally?) I have seen it growing wild, in the grassland and oak zone, along Highway 74 east of San Juan Capistrano in Orange County. (There are beautiful Dudleya pulverulenta along this road, as well.) I have seen it in the canyons of Saddleback Mountain in the same region. For decades, the Sunset Book has said this is suitable for Sunset Zone 13, where I live in Phoenix. But, nor I nor more experienced plantspeople have been able to get it through the first summer after fall planting. I visited Orange County over Labor Day and couldn't resist buying another plant in a 1 gallon / 3.79 liter can at Green Thumb Nursery off Interstate 5 at El Toro Road in Lake Forest. The plants were the largest I've seen for sale in 1 gallons. They look like they are grown from root cuttings: There is a horizontal piece of root at the soil surface, from which leafy tops have sprouted. The soil was moist at the nursery. I will wait to plant it until nights are cooling down, and for now I am giving it only a few hours of late afternoon sun, keeping the sun off the container. I am also watering sparingly, just when it is near wilting. Our late fall, winter and early spring are probably great for this plant. We get occasional light overnight frosts and gentle winter rain, as along the coast. We get a lot less winter rain than coastal California has experienced in the past, so I will probably need to provide supplemental winter irrigation. In late spring and early summer we have the hottest temperatures, 110+ / 44C+; it does not rain, and humidity is very low, something like really bad Santa Ana conditions without wind. From mid July on we have lower temperatures, usually in the mid 100s / 38-42C, and somewhat higher humidity when it is not raining. We get sporadic thunderstorms with dramatically lower temperatures and heavy rainfall during this time. So, my questions: Does CalTrans provide summer water for some landscapes in the Orange County and San Diego areas, where I have seen this planted along freeways? Is it evergreen in California with summer water? Is it better to give some summer water the first year? Will our normal monsoon rain probably be enough? Or should I protect it from rain? Would it be better to plant it in rocky soil, or in deeper soil? In California I have only seen it on deep soils, not rocky areas, but I haven't hiked everywhere. A rocky area here would dry much faster after a monsoon rain during the warm summer dormancy, but also in the cool growing season. Has anybody seen it growing in anything other than full sun all day in California? A lot of full-sun plants from elsewhere tolerate our heat better with morning sun and afternoon shade, or dappled shade, as under a well-trimmed mesquite. When I plant it, should I bury the exposed root cutting? If the tops don't die down next spring, should I cut them off? Or should I let it die back normally? Should I cover the root zone with something to keep the sun off the soil? Do they always die back in summer? Thanks, Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA Zone 9? Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From penstemon@Q.com Sat, 15 Sep 2018 17:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <703F138EE7214FDC8074213D12707E9D@bobPC> From: "penstemon" Subject: Romneya coulteri (non-Californian response) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 17:46:07 -0600 >I ask Californians for some information on this huge poppy with some >trepidation. It isn't in our photographs section. It doesn't have a bulb, >just large tapering roots, like Ranunculus, which is in our Wiki. >However, >it is Pacific, and it does come back in fall from a large underground water >storage system. For what it’s worth, Romneya coulteri is fairly commonly grown in gardens in Ireland, and in the U.K. There are, or were, plants at Denver Botanic Gardens (on the south side of the alpine house). Bob Nold Denver, Colorado _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From msittner@mcn.org Sat, 15 Sep 2018 17:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 447 Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 16:55:39 -0700 #4 is seed On 9/15/2018 3:54 PM, Albert Stella wrote: > Dear All, > > The items listed below have been donated by our members and friends to > be shared. > If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY > at > > bulbexchange@gmail.com > > Include "BX 447” in the subject line. > > > SPECIFY THE ITEM NUMBERS. DO NOT SPECIFY QUANTITIES. PLEASE INCLUDE > YOUR SNAIL MAIL ADDRESS, too. Availability is based on a first come, first > served system. 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Go to our website: < > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/> > > If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS, please > send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: > > Albert Stella > 4403 Graceland Ct. > Raleigh, NC 27606 > USA > > Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their > donations. > > Non US donors should contact Al for instructions before sending seeds. > > ALL ORDERS TO THE FOLLOWING EMAIL ADDRESS ONLY. > Al’s email address: > bulbexchange@gmail.com > > Do not hit the reply tab or you will reply to all PBS members by mistake. > > > I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. > IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! > > From Mary Sue Ittner > > 1. Griffinia aracensis - few, many small > 2. Oxalis palmifrons > 3. Brodiaea pallida - very rare plant, grows in wet spot so needs to be > watered until it flowers (often it stops raining in California before > then). Offsets from corms or seed I don't remember which I obtained from > the Robinetts in the 1980s. > 4. Haemanthus humilis subsp. humilis ex. Thomas River form > 5. Nerine krigei seed > 6. Allium amplectens > 7. Babiana vanzijliae > 8. Brodiaea minor (B. purdyi) > 9. Spiloxene capensis > 10. Narcissus romieuxii > 11. Veltheimia bracteata seed - OP, from forms with yellow and red flowers > (see wiki) > 12. Romulea ramiflora > 13. Tritonia crocata > > From Kipp McMichael (All Bulbs) > > 14. Dichelostemma sp. (capitatum?) K1210P.D?01 Nevada County > 15. Ferraria crispa K1308P.FC01 - Duggan > 16. Brodiaea terrestris K11P.BT01 - Carolina St. serpentine, Potrero Hill, > SF > 17. Dichelostemma volubile K11P.DV01 - HWY 90 Tulare County, 2011 > 18. Tritonia crispa K10S.TC01 - SilverHill > 19. Allium falcifolium? K11P.A?01 - Fairfax Bolinas serpentine, 2011 > 20. Freesia caryophyllaceae K10P.FC01 > 21. Babiana ringens K11P.BR01 - SilverHill > 22. Gladiolus equitans K13105.GE01 > 23. Ferraria uncinata K1308P.FU01 - Duggan > 24. Triteleia laxa K10P.TL01 - Nevada County > 25. DIchelostemma capitatum K10P.DC01 - Nevada County > 26. Ferraria divaricata K1308P.FD02 - Duggan > 27. Daubenya zeyheri K12105,DZ01 > 28. Ferraria ferrariola K1308P.FF01 - Duggan > 29. DIchelostemma congestum? K10P.DC02 - Nevada County > 30. Lachenalia reflexa KB105.LR01 > 31. Massonia pustulata K11S.MP01 - Duggan > 32. Calochortus kennedyi 1509.CK01 > 33. Calochortus amoenus - Camp Nelson, 2011 > 34. Calochortus luteus? - Mt. Tamalpais, serpemtime rock springs > 35. Polyxena sp. - SilverHill (Most of Polyxena has been moved to > Lachenalia with a few now in Massonia and Daubenya) > 36. Veltheimia capensis > > Thanks Mary Sue and Kipp!! > > Good Luck! > Albert > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sat, 15 Sep 2018 21:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <62313049.2089637.1537068239946@mail.yahoo.com> From: julie pear via pbs Subject: penstemon Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 03:23:59 +0000 (UTC) Did PBS send me an email from "penstemon"?  I deleted it unread.  If from you, sorry.  But if not from you, well, deleted it anyway.  I didn't know the sender. Thanks, Julie Pear _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From penstemon@Q.com Sat, 15 Sep 2018 21:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <274F4C623D4A4360A8FB8C527C9968BA@bobPC> From: "penstemon" Subject: penstemon Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 22:10:02 -0600 Did PBS send me an email from "penstemon"? I deleted it unread. If from you, sorry. But if not from you, well, deleted it anyway. I didn't know the sender. Thanks, It was from me. Expect another one fairly soon. (Okay to delete that, too, lol.) Bob Nold _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From penstemon@Q.com Sat, 15 Sep 2018 22:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <21DFA76C93BC4B1CBA6A414821988A64@bobPC> From: "penstemon" Subject: sternbergia lutea flowering Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 22:26:01 -0600 “One or two people, though maybe not as many as that” may have read my complaint about Sternbergia lutea not flowering here despite being in the ground for about thirty years. The last flowering was October of 2000. I divided one clump of bulbs and replanted them in another part of the garden, but the bulbs growing in their original locations are flowering now. There was quite a bit of rain (a couple of centimeters in a two-day period) here last week. Leaves emerged, and, today, there are flowers. Bob Nold Denver, Colorado _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From garak@code-garak.de Sun, 16 Sep 2018 00:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <929a202f-f321-2876-1aa5-aa361368493b@code-garak.de> From: Garak Subject: Romneya coulteri (non-Californian response) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 08:45:23 +0200 Hi, another non-californian answer: R. coultri is slowly starting to be offered in Germany, here with the winter being cited as the critical time. Mine was planted last year in the spring, had one flower the first year, so I thought: OK, give it time to establish. Winter was OK, plant lived through the unusually warm January, froze back to the ground in February but came back strong from the roots by beginning of April. That's when we had another weather anomaly, Summer starting right in late April (up to 29.7°C) and nearly no rain from then on up until a few weeks ago, which is highly unusual around here. I tried my best to keep everything watered (I expect my bill to shoot through the roof), but several plants I thought drought tolerant actually struggled. My Romneya only produced a bush of those nice silvery leaves (about 1m high, 1.5 m across) but never set flowers - I'm actually under the impression, it was too dry while too hot for it, average daytime maximum for June to August was around 30°C with 10 days reaching above 35°C.  So: was it wrong to water? Greetings from Germany! Martin Am 16.09.2018 um 01:46 schrieb penstemon: >> I ask Californians for some information on this huge poppy with some >> trepidation. It isn't in our photographs section. It doesn't have a >> bulb, just large tapering roots, like Ranunculus, which is in our >> Wiki. >However, it is Pacific, and it does come back in fall from a >> large underground water storage system. > > For what it’s worth, Romneya coulteri is fairly commonly grown in > gardens in Ireland, and in the U.K. > There are, or were, plants at Denver Botanic Gardens (on the south > side of the alpine house). > > > Bob Nold > Denver, Colorado > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs -- Martin ---------------------------------------------- Southern Germany Likely zone 7a _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From garak@code-garak.de Sun, 16 Sep 2018 07:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <28e05d5e-847a-8744-3138-87d2f4cf382f@code-garak.de> From: Garak Subject: Gladiolus identity question Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 15:44:23 +0200 Hi List, I have a plant in flower which was sold to me as Gladiolus elliotii but now I'm unsure if that is the accepted G. elliotii Baker or rather Gladiolus sericeovillosus subspecies calvatus which is the accepted name for what has been described as G. elliotii Lewis  - I'd love to add it to the wiki, both are not present yet, but I want to be sure what I have. I'm quite sure it is not G. sericeovillosus subsp. sericeovillosus, which would be hairy . All I can argument on are the descriptions at Flora Zambesiaca: http://apps.kew.org/efloras/namedetail.do?qry=namelist&flora=fz&taxon=9953&nameid=26414 http://apps.kew.org/efloras/namedetail.do?qry=namelist&flora=fz&taxon=9954&nameid=26416 I've attached Images - to me, that's cream with maroon dots, so it seems G. s. subsp. calvatus to me. Is there any expert on those around? -- Martin ---------------------------------------------- Southern Germany Likely zone 7a -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DSCF1986 - Kopie.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 592216 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DSCF1978 - Kopie.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 519380 bytes Desc: not available URL: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From eciton@utexas.edu Sun, 16 Sep 2018 08:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Monica Swartz Subject: Romneya coulteri Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 09:34:48 -0500 Leo, your Romneya will have trouble with your summer heat. The hottest place I've seen them growing is at UC Riverside (in front of the Botany department) which gets some pretty high temps, but never the persistent heat of the desert. They are native to the Santa Ana Mountains where they get no summer rain but do have some occasional fog. They don't die back in the summer but stop growing above ground. Like all poppies, they hate transplantation, but I think you need to put yours in the ground if it will have a chance to keep the roots cool enough. An alternative is a clay pot in a sand plunge. Use good drainage and keep the plant at the same level as in the pot. Don't cover the roots with mulch but instead plant it behind a big rock so the base of the plant is shaded in the afternoon. Try to use rain water since Phoenix tap water is quite salty. Watch for spider mites. Good luck! monica _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From vkmyrick@pacbell.net Sun, 16 Sep 2018 13:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jack and Val Subject: Romneya coulteri (non-Californian response) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 13:06:06 -0700 Hi, Californian here - Sierra Foothills at 2000 feet. R. coulteri is hard to get established in our gardens but once it does, it can spread like wildfire! We are told to plant it in the fall. Winter rains take care of the watering and we are told not to water it after that. We typically average 30 days above 100 F. and have no summer rain from June - Sept. Martin, if your plant is still alive, you are doing great! Val Sonora, CA > On Sep 15, 2018, at 11:45 PM, Garak wrote: > > Hi, > > another non-californian answer: R. coultri is slowly starting to be offered in Germany, here with the winter being cited as the critical time. Mine was planted last year in the spring, had one flower the first year, so I thought: OK, give it time to establish. Winter was OK, plant lived through the unusually warm January, froze back to the ground in February but came back strong from the roots by beginning of April. That's when we had another weather anomaly, Summer starting right in late April (up to 29.7°C) and nearly no rain from then on up until a few weeks ago, which is highly unusual around here. I tried my best to keep everything watered (I expect my bill to shoot through the roof), but several plants I thought drought tolerant actually struggled. My Romneya only produced a bush of those nice silvery leaves (about 1m high, 1.5 m across) but never set flowers - I'm actually under the impression, it was too dry while too hot for it, average daytime maximum for June to August was around 30°C with 10 days reaching above 35°C. So: was it wrong to water? > > Greetings from Germany! > Martin > > Am 16.09.2018 um 01:46 schrieb penstemon: >>> I ask Californians for some information on this huge poppy with some trepidation. It isn't in our photographs section. It doesn't have a bulb, just large tapering roots, like Ranunculus, which is in our Wiki. >However, it is Pacific, and it does come back in fall from a large underground water storage system. >> >> For what it’s worth, Romneya coulteri is fairly commonly grown in gardens in Ireland, and in the U.K. >> There are, or were, plants at Denver Botanic Gardens (on the south side of the alpine house). >> >> >> Bob Nold >> Denver, Colorado >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > > -- > Martin > ---------------------------------------------- > Southern Germany > Likely zone 7a > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From bulbexchange@gmail.com Sun, 16 Sep 2018 14:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Albert Stella Subject: Bx 447 Closed Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 16:43:36 -0400 All gone. Thanks! Packages should go out this weekend. Al _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From andrew@avonia.com Sun, 16 Sep 2018 20:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Andrew Subject: Romneya coulteri Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 20:14:36 -0700 Hi Leo, Here are my answers to your questions on that decidedly non-bulbous perennial, Romneya coulteri. It is native here as well as dudleyas, including D. pulverulenta in areas below 2000 feet. > Does CalTrans provide summer water for some landscapes in the Orange County and San Diego areas, where I have seen this planted along freeways? Is it evergreen in California with summer water? In San Diego county I am not aware of additional water being applied except possibly during the first year and then only to small groups. With summer water it will remain green in this area certainly through June with summer water and possibly through August in cooler years. Of course, watering in California is unlikely to be as great as you in Arizona would apply. In cooler climates with water it is pretty well evergreen. > Is it better to give some summer water the first year? Will our normal monsoon rain probably be enough? Or should I protect it from rain? > Yes, it is worthwhile. This is not an easy plant to establish, So, nurse it along in the first year. Yes, it is. I have never gardened in Arizona but taking an outsider’s view I would provide some water in summer 2 and see how well out it does. > > Would it be better to plant it in rocky soil, or in deeper soil? In California I have only seen it on deep soils, not rocky areas, but I haven't hiked everywhere. A rocky area here would dry much faster after a monsoon rain during the warm summer dormancy, but also in the cool growing season. Either rocky or in deeper soil so long as water does not remain to flood roots. It’s very tolerant. Planting among rocks with young plant behind rocks so that they receive shade until March or maybe April would help the first year establishment. > > Has anybody seen itn't die down next spring, should I cut them off? Or should I let it die back normally? In this area we usually cut them down by this time of year. With you I suspect they will remain green much longer with summer water. If through springtime next year, certainly cut them back before new growth begins. > > Should I cover the root zone with something to keep the sun off the soil? That does not occur in nature but for Arizona conditions a local mulch might be a good idea. here, the plants grow rot 8 feet in height and provide some shade for the base. > > Do they always die back in summer?growing in anything other than full sun all day in California? A lot of full-sun plants from elsewhere tolerate our heat better with morning sun and afternoon shade, or dappled shade, as under a well-trimmed mesquite. They certainly last longer in shade but are rarely seen growing in shade in their native habitats. They will flower fine in shade but the flowers might be higher up there. > > When I plant it, should I bury the exposed root cutting? Plant them just a few inches below soil level. The plantings that you saw may well have been old rootstock sprouting. The stolons go for long distances, a hundred feet or more before they emerge. It just depends on the conditions. The surviving parts are amazingly tough. I warn you that if they like your conditions you might find them a problem. Not I. They can come up wherever they choose. But I am in a very dry area, just 3 inches since this time last year. With more moisture they could potentially become invasive, but I think that is rarely seen. Good luck Andrew San Diego > On Sep 15, 2018, at 4:02 PM, oooOIOooo via pbs wrote: > > I ask Californians for some information on this huge poppy with some trepidation. It isn't in our photographs section. It doesn't have a bulb, just large tapering roots, like Ranunculus, which is in our Wiki. However, it is Pacific, and it does come back in fall from a large underground water storage system. > > I see it in California freeway landscapes, on slopes that did not exist before road construction. (Or did it sprout naturally?) I have seen it growing wild, in the grassland and oak zone, along Highway 74 east of San Juan Capistrano in Orange County. (There are beautiful Dudleya pulverulenta along this road, as well.) I have seen it in the canyons of Saddleback Mountain in the same region. > > For decades, the Sunset Book has said this is suitable for Sunset Zone 13, where I live in Phoenix. But, nor I nor more experienced plantspeople have been able to get it through the first summer after fall planting. I visited Orange County over Labor Day and couldn't resist buying another plant in a 1 gallon / 3.79 liter can at Green Thumb Nursery off Interstate 5 at El Toro Road in Lake Forest. The plants were the largest I've seen for sale in 1 gallons. They look like they are grown from root cuttings: There is a horizontal piece of root at the soil surface, from which leafy tops have sprouted. The soil was moist at the nursery. I will wait to plant it until nights are cooling down, and for now I am giving it only a few hours of late afternoon sun, keeping the sun off the container. I am also watering sparingly, just when it is near wilting. > > Our late fall, winter and early spring are probably great for this plant. We get occasional light overnight frosts and gentle winter rain, as along the coast. We get a lot less winter rain than coastal California has experienced in the past, so I will probably need to provide supplemental winter irrigation. In late spring and early summer we have the hottest temperatures, 110+ / 44C+; it does not rain, and humidity is very low, something like really bad Santa Ana conditions without wind. From mid July on we have lower temperatures, usually in the mid 100s / 38-42C, and somewhat higher humidity when it is not raining. We get sporadic thunderstorms with dramatically lower temperatures and heavy rainfall during this time. > > So, my questions: > Does CalTrans provide summer water for some landscapes in the Orange County and San Diego areas, where I have seen this planted along freeways? Is it evergreen in California with summer water? > > Is it better to give some summer water the first year? Will our normal monsoon rain probably be enough? Or should I protect it from rain? > > Would it be better to plant it in rocky soil, or in deeper soil? In California I have only seen it on deep soils, not rocky areas, but I haven't hiked everywhere. A rocky area here would dry much faster after a monsoon rain during the warm summer dormancy, but also in the cool growing season. > > Has anybody seen itn't die down next spring, should I cut them off? Or should I let it die back normally? > > Should I cover the root zone with something to keep the sun off the soil? > > Do they always die back in summer?growing in anything other than full sun all day in California? A lot of full-sun plants from elsewhere tolerate our heat better with morning sun and afternoon shade, or dappled shade, as under a well-trimmed mesquite. > > When I plant it, should I bury the exposed root cutting? > > If the tops do > > Thanks, > Leo Martin > Phoenix Arizona USA > Zone 9? > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Mon, 17 Sep 2018 08:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <1188897623.6698055.1537194740810@mail.yahoo.com> From: Shawn Pollard via pbs Subject: Romneya coulteri Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 14:32:20 +0000 (UTC) Leo and All: For whatever it's worth, I am positive that the Boyce-Thompson Arboretum (in Superior, AZ) at one time had a thriving population of the matilija poppy. It was impressive enough that I looked for the plants the last time I visited, which was around 2008 in the spring. I saw none. If you know any of the botanists there, they may know what became of them (or if I am hallucinating and misremembering). I tried growing this plant in Alpine, TX back in the late 1990s, but the winters were simply too cold. (When you have sustained 20+ mph winds for a week at a time and dew points of -12F, you can water all you want to; the desert laughs at you.) Shawn Pollard Yuma, AZ _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jgglatt@gmail.com Mon, 17 Sep 2018 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <72465a0b-dcc1-add8-bfec-aea24dba4eb0@gmail.com> From: Judy Glattstein Subject: Mirabilis longiflora indoors for the winter Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 16:21:31 -0400 Noticed that the Mirabilis longiflora has dropped its leaves and stem sections are abscissing and dropping also - some right down to the base. So I went out between the spats of rain and got it into the garage. That's it, no water until next March. Judy in New Jersey where the remnants of Florence are due to arrive sometime tomorrow. Guess this drizzle (.45 inches in the last few hours) is just an appetizer. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Mon, 17 Sep 2018 15:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <165e9778e49-1ebc-19a7@webjasstg-vab11.srv.aolmail.net> From: Ernie DeMarie via pbs Subject: Mirabilis longiflora indoors for the winter Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 17:37:31 -0400 Hi Judy, M longiflora has a tough tuber that can be lifted and stored dry over winter, doesnt even require soil ime. Of course digging them is a pain, but if planted in a mound of sandy soil they are easier to lift. Large (ideally very large) containes can work too. It will also self sow if happy. Ernie DeMarie Briarcliff Manor NY z6/7 where rain is also begining to fall. Out in both the home and school gardens Crocosmia aurea continues to put on a nice show, and at school near the wall two zephyranthes (candida and what I think is "Sunset Strain" are blooming and making seed pods. Colchicums are beginning to flower as well, and a lone Amaryllis belladonna near the doorway at home is finishing up, it was planted last year, mulched for winter, and bloomed this year with vibrant pink red flowers, much showier than what I have grown before (it was in a batch of them I got from a breeder out west). -----Original Message----- From: Judy Glattstein To: pbs Sent: Mon, Sep 17, 2018 4:21 pm Subject: [pbs] Mirabilis longiflora indoors for the winter Noticed that the Mirabilis longiflora has dropped its leaves and stem sections are abscissing and dropping also - some right down to the base. So I went out between the spats of rain and got it into the garage. That's it, no water until next March. Judy in New Jersey where the remnants of Florence are due to arrive sometime tomorrow. Guess this drizzle (.45 inches in the last few hours) is just an appetizer. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From annmram@gmail.com Tue, 18 Sep 2018 01:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Ann Rametta Subject: Romneya coulteri Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 01:11:41 -0700 As far as Caltrans goes all newly planted areas start with water, though they are trying to use drip more and less overhead watering. If plants are native they may stop watering after established. It depends on each area. Ann Marie socal zone 9 On Sat, Sep 15, 2018, 4:43 PM John Wickham wrote: > Leo, > I've seen it growing on the side of the road, with a steep hill on the > other side...fast drainage. I have it growing in clay at my home. They will > take summer water. A lot of people have trouble getting them established, > but once they are they can be assertive. Don't mess with the roots when > planting, they don't like that. Which is funny, because they are typically > grown from root cuttings. I'd try giving it some water until the monsoons > come along, but let it dry out between watering. The Ventura mountains > where I see it growing can get monsoon rains as well, though probably not > what you experience, so I don't think that would be a significant problem. > Maybe your soil drains too fast? > > John WickhamLos Angeles > > > On Saturday, September 15, 2018 4:03 PM, oooOIOooo via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > > I ask Californians for some information on this huge poppy with some > trepidation. It isn't in our photographs section. It doesn't have a bulb, > just large tapering roots, like Ranunculus, which is in our Wiki. However, > it is Pacific, and it does come back in fall from a large underground water > storage system. > > I see it in California freeway landscapes, on slopes that did not exist > before road construction. (Or did it sprout naturally?) I have seen it > growing wild, in the grassland and oak zone, along Highway 74 east of San > Juan Capistrano in Orange County. (There are beautiful Dudleya pulverulenta > along this road, as well.) I have seen it in the canyons of Saddleback > Mountain in the same region. > > For decades, the Sunset Book has said this is suitable for Sunset Zone 13, > where I live in Phoenix. But, nor I nor more experienced plantspeople have > been able to get it through the first summer after fall planting. I visited > Orange County over Labor Day and couldn't resist buying another plant in a > 1 gallon / 3.79 liter can at Green Thumb Nursery off Interstate 5 at El > Toro Road in Lake Forest. The plants were the largest I've seen for sale in > 1 gallons. They look like they are grown from root cuttings: There is a > horizontal piece of root at the soil surface, from which leafy tops have > sprouted. The soil was moist at the nursery. I will wait to plant it until > nights are cooling down, and for now I am giving it only a few hours of > late afternoon sun, keeping the sun off the container. I am also watering > sparingly, just when it is near wilting. > > Our late fall, winter and early spring are probably great for this plant. > We get occasional light overnight frosts and gentle winter rain, as along > the coast. We get a lot less winter rain than coastal California has > experienced in the past, so I will probably need to provide supplemental > winter irrigation. In late spring and early summer we have the hottest > temperatures, 110+ / 44C+; it does not rain, and humidity is very low, > something like really bad Santa Ana conditions without wind. From mid July > on we have lower temperatures, usually in the mid 100s / 38-42C, and > somewhat higher humidity when it is not raining. We get sporadic > thunderstorms with dramatically lower temperatures and heavy rainfall > during this time. > > So, my questions: > Does CalTrans provide summer water for some landscapes in the Orange > County and San Diego areas, where I have seen this planted along freeways? > Is it evergreen in California with summer water? > > Is it better to give some summer water the first year? Will our normal > monsoon rain probably be enough? Or should I protect it from rain? > > Would it be better to plant it in rocky soil, or in deeper soil? In > California I have only seen it on deep soils, not rocky areas, but I > haven't hiked everywhere. A rocky area here would dry much faster after a > monsoon rain during the warm summer dormancy, but also in the cool growing > season. > > Has anybody seen it growing in anything other than full sun all day in > California? A lot of full-sun plants from elsewhere tolerate our heat > better with morning sun and afternoon shade, or dappled shade, as under a > well-trimmed mesquite. > > When I plant it, should I bury the exposed root cutting? > > If the tops don't die down next spring, should I cut them off? Or should I > let it die back normally? > > Should I cover the root zone with something to keep the sun off the soil? > > Do they always die back in summer? > > Thanks, > Leo Martin > Phoenix Arizona USA > Zone 9? > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From robin@hansennursery.com Tue, 18 Sep 2018 15:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <007f01d44f9c$9f4022a0$ddc067e0$@hansennursery.com> From: "Hansen Nursery" Subject: Fritillaria atropurpurea, et al Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 15:11:59 -0700 It seems like there was a discussion in the past about what to do when you go to transplant a large pot of Fritillaria atropurpurea and how to deal with a zillion rice bulblets in addition to what seems like the "mother" bulbs. Maybe a zillion isn't far off. I quit counting when I became overwhelmed at the number of babies. I'll transplant the mothers into separate containers, but how to manage the babies eludes me. Any help would be appreciated. Robin on the OR southwest coast where the wind is blowing way too much Hansen Nursery robin@hansennursery.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jimb@customwindowsupply.com Tue, 18 Sep 2018 16:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jim Barton Subject: Romneya coulteri Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 23:01:52 +0000 Leo I have a large planting of Romneya coultei planted here West of Modesto CA, Sunset zone 14. They stay green most of the summer. The only water they get is when it rains, late fall to early spring, no direct summer water. This time of year the plants begun to look Septemberly, with drying leaves, the beginning of dormancy. Thy will go dormant from November to January. Years when I am ambitious I will cut them to the ground during this dormant time, without regular pruning they get rather messy looking. With warming weather they will send up new shoots and bloom March-April. They are somewhat difficult to get established, however once established the rhizomes can expand aggressively. Out maximum summer temperature is normally 106 degrees F., your summer temperatures may be more than they like. While my plants do not get direct summer water, they do get deep water from the neighbors irrigated orchards 15 feet away. Jim Barton _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From plantboy@gmail.com Tue, 18 Sep 2018 17:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Cody H Subject: Fritillaria atropurpurea, et al Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 16:21:10 -0700 You can sow them like seeds under a thin layer of grit/sand/lava rock in a fast dranining gritty mix in a large flat and raise them to larger sizes, if you’re interested in propagating them. I imagine in the right microclimate they’d do fine down in the ground this way too. I’m currently doing the same for a zillion or so rice bulbils from F. recurva. Last year I grew them on under lights indoors, and they doubled their size over the winter (to about 3-4mm). I’ve kept them dry indoors over the summer but am about to put them back out in a protected spot where they’ll be exposed to a small fraction of our upcoming winter rains. The parent bulbs did fine with a similar treatment last winter (outdoors), I’m curious to see how the tiny ones fare. I’ve also got a pot of slowly increasing rice bulbils of F. camschatica. They seem to appreciate not drying out too completely or getting too hot in the summer. On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 3:12 PM Hansen Nursery wrote: > It seems like there was a discussion in the past about what to do when you > go to transplant a large pot of Fritillaria atropurpurea and how to deal > with a zillion rice bulblets in addition to what seems like the "mother" > bulbs. Maybe a zillion isn't far off. I quit counting when I became > overwhelmed at the number of babies. > > > > I'll transplant the mothers into separate containers, but how to manage the > babies eludes me. Any help would be appreciated. > > > > Robin on the OR southwest coast where the wind is blowing way too much > > Hansen Nursery > > robin@hansennursery.com > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From plantboy@gmail.com Tue, 18 Sep 2018 17:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Cody H Subject: Fritillaria atropurpurea, et al Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 16:24:06 -0700 “Our” upcoming winter rains being the vicinity of Carnation, WA. Zone 8b/7a, with 40+ inches of rain, mostly during the winter. On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 4:21 PM Cody H wrote: > You can sow them like seeds under a thin layer of grit/sand/lava rock in a > fast dranining gritty mix in a large flat and raise them to larger sizes, > if you’re interested in propagating them. I imagine in the right > microclimate they’d do fine down in the ground this way too. I’m currently > doing the same for a zillion or so rice bulbils from F. recurva. Last year > I grew them on under lights indoors, and they doubled their size over the > winter (to about 3-4mm). I’ve kept them dry indoors over the summer but am > about to put them back out in a protected spot where they’ll be exposed to > a small fraction of our upcoming winter rains. The parent bulbs did fine > with a similar treatment last winter (outdoors), I’m curious to see how the > tiny ones fare. I’ve also got a pot of slowly increasing rice bulbils of F. > camschatica. They seem to appreciate not drying out too completely or > getting too hot in the summer. > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 3:12 PM Hansen Nursery > wrote: > >> It seems like there was a discussion in the past about what to do when you >> go to transplant a large pot of Fritillaria atropurpurea and how to deal >> with a zillion rice bulblets in addition to what seems like the "mother" >> bulbs. Maybe a zillion isn't far off. I quit counting when I became >> overwhelmed at the number of babies. >> >> >> >> I'll transplant the mothers into separate containers, but how to manage >> the >> babies eludes me. Any help would be appreciated. >> >> >> >> Robin on the OR southwest coast where the wind is blowing way too much >> >> Hansen Nursery >> >> robin@hansennursery.com >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs >> > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From plantboy@gmail.com Tue, 18 Sep 2018 17:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Cody H Subject: Fritillaria atropurpurea, et al Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 16:25:50 -0700 (That was supposed to say 8a/7b) On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 4:24 PM Cody H wrote: > “Our” upcoming winter rains being the vicinity of Carnation, WA. Zone > 8b/7a, with 40+ inches of rain, mostly during the winter. > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 4:21 PM Cody H wrote: > >> You can sow them like seeds under a thin layer of grit/sand/lava rock in >> a fast dranining gritty mix in a large flat and raise them to larger sizes, >> if you’re interested in propagating them. I imagine in the right >> microclimate they’d do fine down in the ground this way too. I’m currently >> doing the same for a zillion or so rice bulbils from F. recurva. Last year >> I grew them on under lights indoors, and they doubled their size over the >> winter (to about 3-4mm). I’ve kept them dry indoors over the summer but am >> about to put them back out in a protected spot where they’ll be exposed to >> a small fraction of our upcoming winter rains. The parent bulbs did fine >> with a similar treatment last winter (outdoors), I’m curious to see how the >> tiny ones fare. I’ve also got a pot of slowly increasing rice bulbils of F. >> camschatica. They seem to appreciate not drying out too completely or >> getting too hot in the summer. >> >> On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 3:12 PM Hansen Nursery >> wrote: >> >>> It seems like there was a discussion in the past about what to do when >>> you >>> go to transplant a large pot of Fritillaria atropurpurea and how to deal >>> with a zillion rice bulblets in addition to what seems like the "mother" >>> bulbs. Maybe a zillion isn't far off. I quit counting when I became >>> overwhelmed at the number of babies. >>> >>> >>> >>> I'll transplant the mothers into separate containers, but how to manage >>> the >>> babies eludes me. Any help would be appreciated. >>> >>> >>> >>> Robin on the OR southwest coast where the wind is blowing way too much >>> >>> Hansen Nursery >>> >>> robin@hansennursery.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> _______________________________________________ >>> pbs mailing list >>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >>> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs >>> >> _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Tue, 18 Sep 2018 17:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1965704275.5777877.1537313933967@mail.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: Fritillaria atropurpurea, et al Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 23:38:53 +0000 (UTC) I think a lot of us would be mighty pleased to see the names Fritillaria atropurpurea and F. recurva on a future BX list!Jim McKenney _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From eez55@earthlink.net Tue, 18 Sep 2018 17:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1133737403.14725.1537315043336@wamui-gaston.atl.sa.earthlink.net> From: Eugene Zielinski Subject: Romneya coulteri Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 16:57:23 -0700 (GMT-07:00) When talking about summer temperatures in Phoenix, Arizona and California, it might be useful to mention night temperatures, too. I remember the first time I flew to Phoenix. The temperature was 106 F at the airport, and that was at midnight. Eugene Zielinski Prescott Valley, Arizona (usually much, much cooler than Phoenix) USA -----Original Message----- >From: Jim Barton >Sent: Sep 18, 2018 4:01 PM >To: "pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net" >Subject: [pbs] Romneya coulteri > >Leo >I have a large planting of Romneya coultei planted here West of Modesto CA, Sunset zone 14. Out maximum summer temperature is normally 106 degrees F., your summer temperatures may be more than they like... _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From robin@hansennursery.com Tue, 18 Sep 2018 18:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <008d01d44fb1$b6f6f2b0$24e4d810$@hansennursery.com> From: "Hansen Nursery" Subject: Fritillaria atropurpurea, et al Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 17:42:58 -0700 Ok, I can certainly do that. I'll pack them in damp peat and send off to Al in the next week or so... xxxI think a lot of us would be mighty pleased to see the names Fritillaria atropurpurea and F. recurva on a future BX list!Jim McKenney Robin Hansen Nursery robin@hansennursery.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From plantboy@gmail.com Tue, 18 Sep 2018 20:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Cody H Subject: Fritillaria atropurpurea, et al Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 02:30:00 +0000 That's the plan! Though I will probably wait until next year when they're a bit larger and more resilient On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 4:39 PM Jim McKenney wrote: > I think a lot of us would be mighty pleased to see the names Fritillaria > atropurpurea and F. recurva on a future BX list!Jim McKenney > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 19 Sep 2018 04:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <1164175672.12204302.1537352603787@mail.yahoo.com> From: Brian Whyer via pbs Subject: Fritillaria atropurpurea, et al Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 10:23:23 +0000 (UTC) I always remember my early days of bulb growing when with "frits" you were told to pour the bulblets round the parent bulbs when repotting, suggesting the parent(s) would benefit from this. I have never seen any reasoning behind this; but vaguely assumed that with an annual growth replacement bulb, the decaying bulblets will feed the larger bulb(s). Whether there is anything more scientific than this I don't know. Extra availability of nutrients should override this and you should get at least the same number of bulblets at the end of the season. Although this is, I presume, less relevant with annual root growth and annual repotting; mycrorhizal links between the roots systems may play a part in this too. Extra roots "dropping" improve drainage too I guess, if this is beneficial or a potential problem. Does anyone have a more scientific understanding of this? Brian Whyer, south east UK. Still suffering from the long hot summer, and now strong drying winds from second hand hurricanes. Only the Colchicums, which have no roots yet, seem to not worry and are exceptional this year. (until they get blown over) It seems like there was a discussion in the past about what to do when you go to transplant a large pot of Fritillaria atropurpurea and how to deal with a zillion rice bulblets in addition to what seems like the "mother" bulbs.  Maybe a zillion isn't far off.  I quit counting when I became overwhelmed at the number of babies. I'll transplant the mothers into separate containers, but how to manage the babies eludes me.  Any help would be appreciated. Robin on the OR southwest coast where the wind is blowing way too much Hansen Nursery robin@hansennursery.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From janemcgary@earthlink.net Wed, 19 Sep 2018 11:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Fritillaria atropurpurea, et al Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 11:12:17 -0700 A leading theory on the tendency of some Fritillaria species to produce many tiny bulblets ("rice grains") is that it's an adaptation to predation by digging animals. When the main bulb is dug and eaten, the little bulblets are spread throughout the disturbed soil and can grow on in a well-tilled, nutrient-rich medium. This theory also is mentioned in connection with such genera as Brodiaea and Camassia, which are dug and eaten by bears, and were also important foods for indigenous people. There is no benefit that I've ever noticed from leaving the bulblets attached to the parent bulb. They do produce a mass of small leaves, but whether the photosynthesis from these leaves nourishes the main bulb at all is unclear. Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA On 9/19/2018 3:23 AM, Brian Whyer via pbs wrote: > I always remember my early days of bulb growing when with "frits" you were told to pour the bulblets round the parent bulbs when repotting, suggesting the parent(s) would benefit from this. I have never seen any reasoning behind this; but vaguely assumed that with an annual growth replacement bulb, the decaying bulblets will feed the larger bulb(s). Whether there is anything more scientific than this I don't know. Extra availability of nutrients should override this and you should get at least the same number of bulblets at the end of the season. Although this is, I presume, less relevant with annual root growth and annual repotting; mycrorhizal links between the roots systems may play a part in this too. Extra roots "dropping" improve drainage too I guess, if this is beneficial or a potential problem. > Does anyone have a more scientific understanding of this? > Brian Whyer, south east UK. > Still suffering from the long hot summer, and now strong drying winds from second hand hurricanes. Only the Colchicums, which have no roots yet, seem to not worry and are exceptional this year. (until they get blown over) > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From linny@cruzio.com Wed, 19 Sep 2018 17:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <74aeec5027f7f7bd843c39775ad2d3fd@cruzio.com> From: linny@cruzio.com Subject: Romneya coulteri Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 17:00:21 -0700 Hi, Leo, I'm here on the Central Coast near Santa Cruz, but maybe 10 miles inland. Our summer temps are nowhere near what you experience, so my Matilijas are in full sun. Our soil is very sandy and they are also on a south-facing slope, so drainage is perfect. Mine don't bloom as early as the other person who wrote from California and they definitely start lookin ragged in August. However, I don't water them at all; they have to survive on whatever rain blesses us in the Winter. They did make it through all five years of the drought with no observable damage. I cut them back every year as soon in the Autumn as I can because they look so bad. Perhaps if i gave them supplemental water we'd all be happier! I wish you luck, they're such a lovely plant especially the leaves on the new stalks (and the flowers of course)! Lin in Monterey County where we will probably get our hottest weather of the year between now and the end of October. On 2018-09-15 16:02, oooOIOooo via pbs wrote: > I ask Californians for some information on this huge poppy with some trepidation. It isn't in our photographs section. It doesn't have a bulb, just large tapering roots, like Ranunculus, which is in our Wiki. However, it is Pacific, and it does come back in fall from a large underground water storage system. > > I see it in California freeway landscapes, on slopes that did not exist before road construction. (Or did it sprout naturally?) I have seen it growing wild, in the grassland and oak zone, along Highway 74 east of San Juan Capistrano in Orange County. (There are beautiful Dudleya pulverulenta along this road, as well.) I have seen it in the canyons of Saddleback Mountain in the same region. > > For decades, the Sunset Book has said this is suitable for Sunset Zone 13, where I live in Phoenix. But, nor I nor more experienced plantspeople have been able to get it through the first summer after fall planting. I visited Orange County over Labor Day and couldn't resist buying another plant in a 1 gallon / 3.79 liter can at Green Thumb Nursery off Interstate 5 at El Toro Road in Lake Forest. The plants were the largest I've seen for sale in 1 gallons. They look like they are grown from root cuttings: There is a horizontal piece of root at the soil surface, from which leafy tops have sprouted. The soil was moist at the nursery. I will wait to plant it until nights are cooling down, and for now I am giving it only a few hours of late afternoon sun, keeping the sun off the container. I am also watering sparingly, just when it is near wilting. > > Our late fall, winter and early spring are probably great for this plant. We get occasional light overnight frosts and gentle winter rain, as along the coast. We get a lot less winter rain than coastal California has experienced in the past, so I will probably need to provide supplemental winter irrigation. In late spring and early summer we have the hottest temperatures, 110+ / 44C+; it does not rain, and humidity is very low, something like really bad Santa Ana conditions without wind. From mid July on we have lower temperatures, usually in the mid 100s / 38-42C, and somewhat higher humidity when it is not raining. We get sporadic thunderstorms with dramatically lower temperatures and heavy rainfall during this time. > > So, my questions: > Does CalTrans provide summer water for some landscapes in the Orange County and San Diego areas, where I have seen this planted along freeways? Is it evergreen in California with summer water? > > Is it better to give some summer water the first year? Will our normal monsoon rain probably be enough? Or should I protect it from rain? > > Would it be better to plant it in rocky soil, or in deeper soil? In California I have only seen it on deep soils, not rocky areas, but I haven't hiked everywhere. A rocky area here would dry much faster after a monsoon rain during the warm summer dormancy, but also in the cool growing season. > > Has anybody seen it growing in anything other than full sun all day in California? A lot of full-sun plants from elsewhere tolerate our heat better with morning sun and afternoon shade, or dappled shade, as under a well-trimmed mesquite. > > When I plant it, should I bury the exposed root cutting? > > If the tops don't die down next spring, should I cut them off? Or should I let it die back normally? > > Should I cover the root zone with something to keep the sun off the soil? > > Do they always die back in summer? > > Thanks, > Leo Martin > Phoenix Arizona USA > Zone 9? > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From plantboy@gmail.com Wed, 19 Sep 2018 17:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Cody H Subject: Fritillaria atropurpurea, et al Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 17:13:06 -0700 One potential mechanism for the bulblets benefiting the main bulb might be that simply having them there prevents the main bulb from putting as much energy into producing more bulblets. Remove them, and the bulb will invest in replacing them. To be clear, I am just theorizing. I have no evidence that bulbs actually do this, nor any knowledge of the theory ever having been tested. On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 11:11 AM Jane McGary wrote: > A leading theory on the tendency of some Fritillaria species to produce > many tiny bulblets ("rice grains") is that it's an adaptation to > predation by digging animals. When the main bulb is dug and eaten, the > little bulblets are spread throughout the disturbed soil and can grow on > in a well-tilled, nutrient-rich medium. This theory also is mentioned in > connection with such genera as Brodiaea and Camassia, which are dug and > eaten by bears, and were also important foods for indigenous people. > There is no benefit that I've ever noticed from leaving the bulblets > attached to the parent bulb. They do produce a mass of small leaves, but > whether the photosynthesis from these leaves nourishes the main bulb at > all is unclear. > > Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA > > > On 9/19/2018 3:23 AM, Brian Whyer via pbs wrote: > > I always remember my early days of bulb growing when with "frits" you > were told to pour the bulblets round the parent bulbs when repotting, > suggesting the parent(s) would benefit from this. I have never seen any > reasoning behind this; but vaguely assumed that with an annual growth > replacement bulb, the decaying bulblets will feed the larger bulb(s). > Whether there is anything more scientific than this I don't know. > Extra availability of nutrients should override this and you should get at > least the same number of bulblets at the end of the season. Although this > is, I presume, less relevant with annual root growth and annual repotting; > mycrorhizal links between the roots systems may play a part in this too. > Extra roots "dropping" improve drainage too I guess, if this is beneficial > or a potential problem. > > Does anyone have a more scientific understanding of this? > > Brian Whyer, south east UK. > > Still suffering from the long hot summer, and now strong drying winds > from second hand hurricanes. Only the Colchicums, which have no roots yet, > seem to not worry and are exceptional this year. (until they get blown over) > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 19 Sep 2018 18:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: John Ignacio via pbs Subject: Romneya coulteri Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 19:21:42 -0500 Leo, consider growing one of the southern annual species of Argemone instead. The flowers are virtually identical, the plants are adapted, and you shouldn’t need extra water. They should reseed freely. https://plants.usda.gov/core/profile?symbol=arpl3 John Ignacio Austin Texas Z8b > On Sep 19, 2018, at 7:00 PM, linny@cruzio.com wrote: > > Hi, Leo, I'm here on the Central Coast near Santa Cruz, but maybe 10 > miles inland. Our summer temps are nowhere near what you experience, so > my Matilijas are in full sun. Our soil is very sandy and they are also > on a south-facing slope, so drainage is perfect. Mine don't bloom as > early as the other person who wrote from California and they definitely > start lookin ragged in August. However, I don't water them at all; they > have to survive on whatever rain blesses us in the Winter. They did > make it through all five years of the drought with no observable damage. > I cut them back every year as soon in the Autumn as I can because they > look so bad. Perhaps if i gave them supplemental water we'd all be > happier! I wish you luck, they're such a lovely plant especially the > leaves on the new stalks (and the flowers of course)! > > Lin in Monterey County where we will probably get our hottest weather of > the year between now and the end of October. > >> On 2018-09-15 16:02, oooOIOooo via pbs wrote: >> >> I ask Californians for some information on this huge poppy with some trepidation. It isn't in our photographs section. It doesn't have a bulb, just large tapering roots, like Ranunculus, which is in our Wiki. However, it is Pacific, and it does come back in fall from a large underground water storage system. >> >> I see it in California freeway landscapes, on slopes that did not exist before road construction. (Or did it sprout naturally?) I have seen it growing wild, in the grassland and oak zone, along Highway 74 east of San Juan Capistrano in Orange County. (There are beautiful Dudleya pulverulenta along this road, as well.) I have seen it in the canyons of Saddleback Mountain in the same region. >> >> For decades, the Sunset Book has said this is suitable for Sunset Zone 13, where I live in Phoenix. But, nor I nor more experienced plantspeople have been able to get it through the first summer after fall planting. I visited Orange County over Labor Day and couldn't resist buying another plant in a 1 gallon / 3.79 liter can at Green Thumb Nursery off Interstate 5 at El Toro Road in Lake Forest. The plants were the largest I've seen for sale in 1 gallons. They look like they are grown from root cuttings: There is a horizontal piece of root at the soil surface, from which leafy tops have sprouted. The soil was moist at the nursery. I will wait to plant it until nights are cooling down, and for now I am giving it only a few hours of late afternoon sun, keeping the sun off the container. I am also watering sparingly, just when it is near wilting. >> >> Our late fall, winter and early spring are probably great for this plant. We get occasional light overnight frosts and gentle winter rain, as along the coast. We get a lot less winter rain than coastal California has experienced in the past, so I will probably need to provide supplemental winter irrigation. In late spring and early summer we have the hottest temperatures, 110+ / 44C+; it does not rain, and humidity is very low, something like really bad Santa Ana conditions without wind. From mid July on we have lower temperatures, usually in the mid 100s / 38-42C, and somewhat higher humidity when it is not raining. We get sporadic thunderstorms with dramatically lower temperatures and heavy rainfall during this time. >> >> So, my questions: >> Does CalTrans provide summer water for some landscapes in the Orange County and San Diego areas, where I have seen this planted along freeways? Is it evergreen in California with summer water? >> >> Is it better to give some summer water the first year? Will our normal monsoon rain probably be enough? Or should I protect it from rain? >> >> Would it be better to plant it in rocky soil, or in deeper soil? In California I have only seen it on deep soils, not rocky areas, but I haven't hiked everywhere. A rocky area here would dry much faster after a monsoon rain during the warm summer dormancy, but also in the cool growing season. >> >> Has anybody seen it growing in anything other than full sun all day in California? A lot of full-sun plants from elsewhere tolerate our heat better with morning sun and afternoon shade, or dappled shade, as under a well-trimmed mesquite. >> >> When I plant it, should I bury the exposed root cutting? >> >> If the tops don't die down next spring, should I cut them off? Or should I let it die back normally? >> >> Should I cover the root zone with something to keep the sun off the soil? >> >> Do they always die back in summer? >> >> Thanks, >> Leo Martin >> Phoenix Arizona USA >> Zone 9? >> >> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From gastil.buhl@gmail.com Thu, 20 Sep 2018 11:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: M Gastil-Buhl Subject: Fritillaria atropurpurea, et al Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 11:03:09 -0700 About those numerous bulbils... I found these when excavating several species last month and I wonder when I replant if I should bury the bulbils as deeply as their mother bulb? Or will those only succeed if closer to the surface? Perhaps I should just toss it all around like a bear’s breakfast. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From kathleen.sayce@gmail.com Sat, 22 Sep 2018 11:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <270E1675-5908-4980-8AC6-AEA8082E3485@gmail.com> From: Kathleen Sayce Subject: kniphofia Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 11:12:53 -0700 How much do people cut back torch lilies in the fall, or ever? I have several very shaggy plants, many years old, and wonder if I’m failing to cut the current leaves back in fall/winter. Kathleen _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sat, 22 Sep 2018 12:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <16602a23153-1eb8-cccb@webjasstg-vaa33.srv.aolmail.net> From: Ernie DeMarie via pbs Subject: kniphofia Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 14:54:35 -0400 Hi Kathleen, I grow several kniphofia species here in NY and cut back foliage in spring after winter has trashed it. A few species have foliage that dies back naturally but most try to keep green through winter. In mild winters some succeed in doing so but most winters cause the foliage to look pretty ratty by spring so I cut them back then. One species I do not cut back if it manages to get through winter (mild ones only) is K northiae, it doesnt make as many leaves as the others and its foliage is more of a plus than the flowers are. All of the species I grow send up new foliage in spring and none resent an early spring haircut (other than maybe northiae). Ernie DeMarie in NY z6/7 where the day is coolish and sunny, for a change How much do people cut back torch lilies in the fall, or ever? I have several very shaggy plants, many years old, and wonder if I’m failing to cut the current leaves back in fall/winter.Kathleen_______________________________________________pbs mailing listpbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.nethttp://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From bulbexchange@gmail.com Sat, 22 Sep 2018 15:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Albert Stella Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 448 Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 17:36:50 -0400 Dear All, The items listed below have been donated by our members and friends to be shared. If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at bulbexchange@gmail.com Include "BX 448” in the subject line. SPECIFY THE ITEM NUMBERS. DO NOT SPECIFY QUANTITIES. PLEASE INCLUDE YOUR SNAIL MAIL ADDRESS, too. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money you owe (usually $2.00 – $5.00 per share of seeds or bulbs + postage and packaging charges), and instructions about how to pay. PAYMENT IS DUE AS SOON AS YOU RECEIVE YOUR PACKAGE. Many of you are subscribers to this pbs elist which is free, but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society which has a yearly membership charge. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO UP-TO-DATE MEMBERS of the Pacific Bulb Society. If you are not a member, consider joining so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website: < http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/> If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS, please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: Albert Stella 4403 Graceland Ct. Raleigh, NC 27606 USA Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations. Non US donors should contact Al for instructions before sending seeds. ALL ORDERS TO THE FOLLOWING EMAIL ADDRESS ONLY. Al’s email address: bulbexchange@gmail.com Do not hit the reply tab or you will reply to all PBS members by mistake. I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! From Kipp McMichael - All bulbs Different listings of the same species from the same location represent collections in different years. A data spreadsheet with Kipp's ID numbers (with associated years) will accompany all orders. 1. Calochortus albus collected Nevada County 2. Calochortus albus collected Yuba County 3. Calochortus albus collected Tuolumne County 4. Calochortus albus collected Monterey County 5. Calochortus albus collected San Luis Obispo County 6. Calochortus albus collected San Luis Obispo County 7. Calochortus albus var. rubellus collected San Luis Obispo County 8. Calochortus albus collected San Luis Obispo County 9. Calochortus albus (var. rubellus?) collected San Luis Obispo County 10. Calochortus amabilis collected Solano County 11. Calochortus amabilis Nathan Lange collected Lake County 12. Calochortus amabilis collected Napa County 13. Calochortus amoenus collected Tulare County 14. Calochortus catalinae collected San Luis Obispo County 15. Calochortus clavatus collected San Luis Obispo County 16. Calochortus clavatus var. clavatus collected San Luis Obispo County 17. Calochortus clavatus var. avius collected Eldorado County 18. Calochortus clavatus var. recurvifolius collected San Luis Obispo County 19. Calochortus clavatus var. avius collected Eldorado County 20. Calochortus davidsonianus collected Orange County 21. Calochortus davidsonianus collected Riverside County 22. Calochortus davidsonianus collected Lake County 23. Calochortus fimbriatus collected Monterey County 24. Calochortus fimbriatus collected Santa Barbara County 25. Calochortus fimbriatus collected Santa Barbara County 26. Calochortus luteus collected Marin County 27. Calochortus luteus collected San Luis Obispo County 28. Calochortus luteus collected Monterey County 29. Calochortus monophyllus collected Amador County 30. Calochortus obispoensis collected San Luis Obispo County 31. Calochortus obispoensis BX 352 #4 32. Calochortus plummerae collected Los Angeles County 33. Calochortus pulchellus collected Contra Costa County 34. Chlorogalum purpureum var. purpureum collected Monterey County 35. Calochortus simulans collected San Luis Obispo County 36.Calochortus sp (luteus?) collected Eldorado County 37. Calochortus sp (simulans?) collected San Luis Obispo County 38. Calochortus sp (splendens?) collected San Benito County 39. Calochortus sp (vestae?) collected Napa County 40. Calochortus sp (vestae?) collected Lake County 41. Calochortus sp (vestae?) collected Napa County 42. Calochortus splendens collected Ventura County 43. Calochortus tiburonensis ex hort. 44. Calochortus tiburonensis ex hort. 45. Calochortus tolmiei collected San Mateo County 46. Calochortus umbellatus collected Marin County 47. Calochortus umbellatus collected Marin County 48. Calochortus uniflorus collected Santa Cruz County 49. Calochortus venustus collected Tuolumne County 50. Calochortus weedii var. intermedius collected Orange County 51. Calochortus weedii var. weedii collected Riverside County 52. Calochortus splendens collected Riverside County Thanks Kipp!! _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From aketcham@earthlink.net Sat, 22 Sep 2018 15:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Anita Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 448 Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 17:53:43 -0400 Hi Albert, I am interested in #7, #38, and #42. My daughter is going to check out the Arboretum in San Francisco that you had mentioned to me. Did I tell you that I visited the Royal Botanical Gardens in Edinburgh, Scotland recently? My husband and I took a river cruise to celebrate our 30th anniversary. It had some amazing flowers in bloom, including fall blooming crocus. I’ve planted those numerous times and they will bloom the first year and then stop blooming after that. Oh well. I feel very fortunate to live where we do! All the best, Anita Thank you! Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 22, 2018, at 5:36 PM, Albert Stella wrote: > > Calochortus splendens _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sat, 22 Sep 2018 16:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: oooOIOooo via pbs Subject: Romneya coulteri Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 22:44:04 +0000 Thanks to all who contributed. It was all very good information. Argemone is a native winter annual here, but not huge and impressive, as is Romneya. And I don't think Argemone flowers are scented. Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA Zone 9? Sunset Zone 13 Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From kimcmich@hotmail.com Sat, 22 Sep 2018 17:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Kipp McMichael Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 448 Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 23:24:23 +0000 Greetings, Just for the sake of clarity and sustainability: All these bulbs were grown from collected seed - not collected as bulbs. Although many species of Calochortus are quite common in habitat, I do not collect bulbs. -| on behalf of Albert Stella Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2018 2:36 PM To: pbs List Subject: [pbs] Pacific Bulb Society BX 448 Dear All, The items listed below have been donated by our members and friends to be shared. If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at bulbexchange@gmail.com Include "BX 448” in the subject line. SPECIFY THE ITEM NUMBERS. DO NOT SPECIFY QUANTITIES. PLEASE INCLUDE YOUR SNAIL MAIL ADDRESS, too. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money you owe (usually $2.00 – $5.00 per share of seeds or bulbs + postage and packaging charges), and instructions about how to pay. PAYMENT IS DUE AS SOON AS YOU RECEIVE YOUR PACKAGE. Many of you are subscribers to this pbs elist which is free, but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society which has a yearly membership charge. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO UP-TO-DATE MEMBERS of the Pacific Bulb Society. If you are not a member, consider joining so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website: < https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pacificbulbsociety.org%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C653954cf26fe4ffa330308d620d50b2d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636732496719007071&sdata=kV1bCkKoWsJ0rSaSQtnWhNCZR1ehMgISBQeGJ67RGBs%3D&reserved=0> If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS, please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: Albert Stella 4403 Graceland Ct. Raleigh, NC 27606 USA Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations. Non US donors should contact Al for instructions before sending seeds. ALL ORDERS TO THE FOLLOWING EMAIL ADDRESS ONLY. Al’s email address: bulbexchange@gmail.com Do not hit the reply tab or you will reply to all PBS members by mistake. I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! From Kipp McMichael - All bulbs Different listings of the same species from the same location represent collections in different years. A data spreadsheet with Kipp's ID numbers (with associated years) will accompany all orders. 1. Calochortus albus collected Nevada County 2. Calochortus albus collected Yuba County 3. Calochortus albus collected Tuolumne County 4. Calochortus albus collected Monterey County 5. Calochortus albus collected San Luis Obispo County 6. Calochortus albus collected San Luis Obispo County 7. Calochortus albus var. rubellus collected San Luis Obispo County 8. Calochortus albus collected San Luis Obispo County 9. Calochortus albus (var. rubellus?) collected San Luis Obispo County 10. Calochortus amabilis collected Solano County 11. Calochortus amabilis Nathan Lange collected Lake County 12. Calochortus amabilis collected Napa County 13. Calochortus amoenus collected Tulare County 14. Calochortus catalinae collected San Luis Obispo County 15. Calochortus clavatus collected San Luis Obispo County 16. Calochortus clavatus var. clavatus collected San Luis Obispo County 17. Calochortus clavatus var. avius collected Eldorado County 18. Calochortus clavatus var. recurvifolius collected San Luis Obispo County 19. Calochortus clavatus var. avius collected Eldorado County 20. Calochortus davidsonianus collected Orange County 21. Calochortus davidsonianus collected Riverside County 22. Calochortus davidsonianus collected Lake County 23. Calochortus fimbriatus collected Monterey County 24. Calochortus fimbriatus collected Santa Barbara County 25. Calochortus fimbriatus collected Santa Barbara County 26. Calochortus luteus collected Marin County 27. Calochortus luteus collected San Luis Obispo County 28. Calochortus luteus collected Monterey County 29. Calochortus monophyllus collected Amador County 30. Calochortus obispoensis collected San Luis Obispo County 31. Calochortus obispoensis BX 352 #4 32. Calochortus plummerae collected Los Angeles County 33. Calochortus pulchellus collected Contra Costa County 34. Chlorogalum purpureum var. purpureum collected Monterey County 35. Calochortus simulans collected San Luis Obispo County 36.Calochortus sp (luteus?) collected Eldorado County 37. Calochortus sp (simulans?) collected San Luis Obispo County 38. Calochortus sp (splendens?) collected San Benito County 39. Calochortus sp (vestae?) collected Napa County 40. Calochortus sp (vestae?) collected Lake County 41. Calochortus sp (vestae?) collected Napa County 42. Calochortus splendens collected Ventura County 43. Calochortus tiburonensis ex hort. 44. Calochortus tiburonensis ex hort. 45. Calochortus tolmiei collected San Mateo County 46. Calochortus umbellatus collected Marin County 47. Calochortus umbellatus collected Marin County 48. Calochortus uniflorus collected Santa Cruz County 49. Calochortus venustus collected Tuolumne County 50. Calochortus weedii var. intermedius collected Orange County 51. Calochortus weedii var. weedii collected Riverside County 52. Calochortus splendens collected Riverside County Thanks Kipp!! _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.pacificbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&data=02%7C01%7C%7C653954cf26fe4ffa330308d620d50b2d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636732496719007071&sdata=sQrakaoilhLvmPqS%2BpKSsn95LY28mSFtsYlN7N%2F4D8c%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From arnold140@verizon.net Sat, 22 Sep 2018 17:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <166039b2035-1ec6-dcc4@webjas-vad127.srv.aolmail.net> From: Arnold Trachtenberg Subject: kniphofia Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 19:26:29 -0400 Kathleen: I don't cut my K. northiae back until spring. it survives outside our sometimes brutal northeast winter. Hasn't flowered in a couple of years. Arnold Trachtenberg arnold140@verizon.net -----Original Message----- From: Kathleen Sayce To: pbs Sent: Sat, Sep 22, 2018 2:13 pm Subject: [pbs] kniphofia How much do people cut back torch lilies in the fall, or ever? I have several very shaggy plants, many years old, and wonder if I’m failing to cut the current leaves back in fall/winter.Kathleen_______________________________________________pbs mailing listpbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.nethttp://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From voltaire@islandnet.com Sat, 22 Sep 2018 17:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <9027A740-9391-42F7-8E88-280011738DEE@islandnet.com> From: Diane Subject: kniphofia Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 16:36:26 -0700 I cut dead leaves but leave all green ones. One of my plants flowers from summer through to sometime in winter, though the rest stop about now. They are K. natalensis from NARGS seed from an Australian donor. Diane Whitehead Victoria, British Columbia, Canada _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From kimcmich@hotmail.com Sat, 22 Sep 2018 17:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Kipp McMichael Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 448 Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 23:40:39 +0000 Greetings again: These bulbs represent the last 7 years of growing Calochortus, and a few other California natives, from seed. Of these, I highly recommend: 1) Calochortus weedi intermedius - one of the prettiest forms I've seen 2) Chlorogalum purpureum var purpureum - this has likely never been offered on the BX before 3) Calochortus fimbriatus - this is a big, beautiful Calochortus -| on behalf of Kipp McMichael Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2018 4:24 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] Pacific Bulb Society BX 448 Greetings, Just for the sake of clarity and sustainability: All these bulbs were grown from collected seed - not collected as bulbs. Although many species of Calochortus are quite common in habitat, I do not collect bulbs. -| on behalf of Albert Stella Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2018 2:36 PM To: pbs List Subject: [pbs] Pacific Bulb Society BX 448 Dear All, The items listed below have been donated by our members and friends to be shared. If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at bulbexchange@gmail.com Include "BX 448” in the subject line. SPECIFY THE ITEM NUMBERS. DO NOT SPECIFY QUANTITIES. PLEASE INCLUDE YOUR SNAIL MAIL ADDRESS, too. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money you owe (usually $2.00 – $5.00 per share of seeds or bulbs + postage and packaging charges), and instructions about how to pay. PAYMENT IS DUE AS SOON AS YOU RECEIVE YOUR PACKAGE. Many of you are subscribers to this pbs elist which is free, but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society which has a yearly membership charge. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO UP-TO-DATE MEMBERS of the Pacific Bulb Society. If you are not a member, consider joining so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website: < https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pacificbulbsociety.org%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C60ec02753abc412164a808d620e3b727%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636732559728466969&sdata=xfbaIVe3dhbfjK%2FnSC7Cs%2BlMMD1QRjiKakdXBngesAY%3D&reserved=0> If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS, please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: Albert Stella 4403 Graceland Ct. Raleigh, NC 27606 USA Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations. Non US donors should contact Al for instructions before sending seeds. ALL ORDERS TO THE FOLLOWING EMAIL ADDRESS ONLY. Al’s email address: bulbexchange@gmail.com Do not hit the reply tab or you will reply to all PBS members by mistake. I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! From Kipp McMichael - All bulbs Different listings of the same species from the same location represent collections in different years. A data spreadsheet with Kipp's ID numbers (with associated years) will accompany all orders. 1. Calochortus albus collected Nevada County 2. Calochortus albus collected Yuba County 3. Calochortus albus collected Tuolumne County 4. Calochortus albus collected Monterey County 5. Calochortus albus collected San Luis Obispo County 6. Calochortus albus collected San Luis Obispo County 7. Calochortus albus var. rubellus collected San Luis Obispo County 8. Calochortus albus collected San Luis Obispo County 9. Calochortus albus (var. rubellus?) collected San Luis Obispo County 10. Calochortus amabilis collected Solano County 11. Calochortus amabilis Nathan Lange collected Lake County 12. Calochortus amabilis collected Napa County 13. Calochortus amoenus collected Tulare County 14. Calochortus catalinae collected San Luis Obispo County 15. Calochortus clavatus collected San Luis Obispo County 16. Calochortus clavatus var. clavatus collected San Luis Obispo County 17. Calochortus clavatus var. avius collected Eldorado County 18. Calochortus clavatus var. recurvifolius collected San Luis Obispo County 19. Calochortus clavatus var. avius collected Eldorado County 20. Calochortus davidsonianus collected Orange County 21. Calochortus davidsonianus collected Riverside County 22. Calochortus davidsonianus collected Lake County 23. Calochortus fimbriatus collected Monterey County 24. Calochortus fimbriatus collected Santa Barbara County 25. Calochortus fimbriatus collected Santa Barbara County 26. Calochortus luteus collected Marin County 27. Calochortus luteus collected San Luis Obispo County 28. Calochortus luteus collected Monterey County 29. Calochortus monophyllus collected Amador County 30. Calochortus obispoensis collected San Luis Obispo County 31. Calochortus obispoensis BX 352 #4 32. Calochortus plummerae collected Los Angeles County 33. Calochortus pulchellus collected Contra Costa County 34. Chlorogalum purpureum var. purpureum collected Monterey County 35. Calochortus simulans collected San Luis Obispo County 36.Calochortus sp (luteus?) collected Eldorado County 37. Calochortus sp (simulans?) collected San Luis Obispo County 38. Calochortus sp (splendens?) collected San Benito County 39. Calochortus sp (vestae?) collected Napa County 40. Calochortus sp (vestae?) collected Lake County 41. Calochortus sp (vestae?) collected Napa County 42. Calochortus splendens collected Ventura County 43. Calochortus tiburonensis ex hort. 44. Calochortus tiburonensis ex hort. 45. Calochortus tolmiei collected San Mateo County 46. Calochortus umbellatus collected Marin County 47. Calochortus umbellatus collected Marin County 48. Calochortus uniflorus collected Santa Cruz County 49. Calochortus venustus collected Tuolumne County 50. Calochortus weedii var. intermedius collected Orange County 51. Calochortus weedii var. weedii collected Riverside County 52. Calochortus splendens collected Riverside County Thanks Kipp!! _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.pacificbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&data=02%7C01%7C%7C60ec02753abc412164a808d620e3b727%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636732559728466969&sdata=OjzwgQzcTbOYk%2FmVwyv855MpKct8acv%2FAlkT7QQQ3%2B0%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.pacificbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&data=02%7C01%7C%7C60ec02753abc412164a808d620e3b727%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636732559728466969&sdata=OjzwgQzcTbOYk%2FmVwyv855MpKct8acv%2FAlkT7QQQ3%2B0%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From msittner@mcn.org Sun, 23 Sep 2018 08:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <8cdc06d9-78a0-11df-4ae6-6995f8564b8b@mcn.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Saunders Memorial Issue of Bulb Garden Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 07:39:25 -0700 The Bulb Garden devoted to remembering Rod and Rachel Saunders is now available to download from the Pacific Bulb Society website: https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/tbg/v16n2.pdf Mary Sue _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From msittner@mcn.org Sun, 23 Sep 2018 08:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <6113d80f-2b4c-a51e-f043-bffbe9ee885f@mcn.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Saunders Memorial Issue of Bulb Garden Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 07:50:14 -0700 In case you are wondering it there was a new Romulea, Romulea omibergensi, as it is listed in the caption showing Rachel in front of flowering plants, the Romulea in question is Romulea komsbergensis: https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/SouthAfricanRomuleasTwo#komsbergensis On 9/23/2018 7:39 AM, Mary Sue Ittner wrote: > The Bulb Garden devoted to remembering Rod and Rachel Saunders is now > available to download from the Pacific Bulb Society website: > > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/tbg/v16n2.pdf > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From cynthiasbulbs@hotmail.com Sun, 23 Sep 2018 09:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Cynthia Mueller Subject: Saunders Memorial Issue of Bulb Garden Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 15:27:40 +0000 Mary Sue, I thought this issue was a wonderful tribute! Cynthia W Mueller > On Sep 23, 2018, at 9:57 AM, Mary Sue Ittner wrote: > > In case you are wondering it there was a new Romulea, Romulea omibergensi, as it is listed in the caption showing Rachel in front of flowering plants, the Romulea in question is Romulea komsbergensis: > > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/SouthAfricanRomuleasTwo#komsbergensis > > >> On 9/23/2018 7:39 AM, Mary Sue Ittner wrote: >> The Bulb Garden devoted to remembering Rod and Rachel Saunders is now available to download from the Pacific Bulb Society website: >> >> https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/tbg/v16n2.pdf >> > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From bulbexchange@gmail.com Sun, 23 Sep 2018 14:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Albert Stella Subject: BX 448 closed Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 16:32:52 -0400 All gone. Should go out this week. Thanks! Albert _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From mfdgardenclub@gmail.com Sun, 23 Sep 2018 14:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Makiko Goto-Widerman Subject: BX 448 closed Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 13:35:55 -0700 Albert, Thank you. I planted seeds many times, but never worked so far. *Makiko Goto-Widerman* Makiko Floral Design Garden Club 501 c 3 On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 1:33 PM Albert Stella wrote: > All gone. > Should go out this week. > > Thanks! > > Albert > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Tue, 25 Sep 2018 09:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <68E52A0D-7ABD-46E5-B5A5-C89D4F8BCE2A@kc.rr.com> From: James Waddick Subject: Saunders Memorial Issue of Bulb Garden Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 10:43:49 -0500 Dear Mary Sue, Little has been said about the latest Memorial edition of The Bulb Garden. It is really quite grand and reflects both the many loves of the late Saunders, but also the love of PBS for them. I sincerely hope that its publicatiion will help to generate substatial monetary support for the publication of their book on Gladiolus. Congratulations to all on the PBS Board and volunteers who worked to put this together. If I may dare, I suggest that PBS cover any costs needed to complete the publication and distribjtion of the book. All of us in PBS are at a loss without Rod and Rachael because of theiur generosity and passion for bulbs. Sadly Jim W. On Sep 23, 2018, at 9:39 AM, Mary Sue Ittner wrote: The Bulb Garden devoted to remembering Rod and Rachel Saunders is now available to download from the Pacific Bulb Society website: https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/tbg/v16n2.pdf Mary Sue _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Dr. James Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 USA Phone 816-746-1949 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From robin@hansennursery.com Tue, 25 Sep 2018 10:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <001501d454eb$53a866a0$faf933e0$@hansennursery.com> From: "Hansen Nursery" Subject: Saunders Memorial Issue of Bulb Garden Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 09:17:59 -0700 For Jim W. and all PBS members, This journal was, for me and those directly involved, a labor of love and devotion. I can't explain it any other way. Please know that Rachel and Rod Saunders' legacy will live on forever, through their plant introductions, collections and discoveries. Also, please give continued support to Silverhill Seeds and to Ondine Schrick who inherited the business so we may continue to enjoy the many fruits of the Saunders' labors, educate others in the glories of African bulbs and continue the historical value of their many years of work. One way we can do this in addition to purchases of seed is to support publication of their Gladiolus book. Sincerely, Robin Hansen Editor, PBS Bulb Journal Hansen Nursery robin@hansennursery.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From ds429@frontier.com Tue, 25 Sep 2018 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1018831364.2489701.1537908416535@mail.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: Saunders Memorial Issue of Bulb Garden Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 20:46:56 +0000 (UTC) Hello, All, I, too, was touched by the memorial issue. It was very well done and I am proud that PBS made such a major statement in the Saunders' memory. Many of us will miss them and their generosity. I hope that we all share the bounty with which Silverhill provides (ed) us. Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, West Virginia -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 9/25/18, James Waddick wrote: Subject: Re: [pbs] Saunders Memorial Issue of Bulb Garden To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Date: Tuesday, September 25, 2018, 11:43 AM Dear Mary Sue,     Little has been said about the latest Memorial edition of The Bulb Garden. It is really quite grand and reflects both the many loves of the late Saunders, but also the love of PBS for them.  I sincerely hope that its publicatiion  will help to generate substatial monetary support for the publication of their book on Gladiolus. Congratulations to all on the PBS Board and volunteers who worked to put this together.     If I may dare, I suggest that PBS cover any costs needed to complete the publication and distribjtion of the book.     All of us in PBS are at a loss without Rod and Rachael  because of theiur generosity and passion for bulbs.             Sadly Jim W. On Sep 23, 2018, at 9:39 AM, Mary Sue Ittner wrote: The Bulb Garden devoted to remembering Rod and Rachel Saunders is now available to download from the Pacific Bulb Society website: https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/tbg/v16n2.pdf Mary Sue _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Dr. James Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 USA Phone    816-746-1949 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From annmram@gmail.com Tue, 25 Sep 2018 15:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Ann Rametta Subject: Saunders Memorial Issue of Bulb Garden Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 14:57:06 -0700 I too enjoyed reading about them especially their earlier life, when I didn't know of them. I had a couple of time splurged and bought bulbs from them not knowing who they were. Thank you to those who put this to print. Ann in sunny southern California zone 9 On Tue, Sep 25, 2018, 1:47 PM ds429 wrote: > Hello, All, > > I, too, was touched by the memorial issue. It was very well done and I am > proud that PBS made such a major statement in the Saunders' memory. Many of > us will miss them and their generosity. I hope that we all share the bounty > with which Silverhill provides (ed) us. > > Best wishes, > Dell > > Dell Sherk, West Virginia > -------------------------------------------- > On Tue, 9/25/18, James Waddick wrote: > > Subject: Re: [pbs] Saunders Memorial Issue of Bulb Garden > To: "Pacific Bulb Society" > Date: Tuesday, September 25, 2018, 11:43 AM > > Dear Mary Sue, > > Little has been said > about the latest Memorial edition of The Bulb Garden. It is > really quite grand and reflects both the many loves of the > late Saunders, but also the love of PBS for them. I > sincerely hope that its publicatiion will help to generate > substatial monetary support for the publication of their > book on Gladiolus. Congratulations to all on the PBS Board > and volunteers who worked to put this together. > > If I may dare, I > suggest that PBS cover any costs needed to complete the > publication and distribjtion of the book. > > All of us in PBS are at > a loss without Rod and Rachael because of theiur > generosity and passion for bulbs. > > Sadly Jim W. > > > > On Sep 23, 2018, at 9:39 AM, Mary Sue Ittner > > wrote: > > The Bulb Garden > devoted to remembering Rod and Rachel Saunders is now > available to download from the Pacific Bulb Society > website: > > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/tbg/v16n2.pdf > > Mary Sue > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > Dr. James Waddick > 8871 NW Brostrom Rd > Kansas > City, MO 64152-2711 > USA > Phone 816-746-1949 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From janemcgary@earthlink.net Wed, 26 Sep 2018 12:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <7a40ae41-fcc3-8337-dcb8-9463893e0c00@earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: Colchicum "liparichoides" Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 11:57:50 -0700 Flowering in my bulb house now is a middle-sized Colchicum which I once grew from seed received under the name "Colchicum liparichoides." This name (to my astonishment) does not exist anywhere within the reach of Google, where invalid plant names abound. Its well-rounded white flowers do not resemble those of the other white colchicums now in flower, which are all smaller and with narrower tepals. It in fact resembles a half-size version of the popular garden selection 'Innocence', long grown as "Colchicum byzantinum album." I suppose it might be a white form of some normally pink species, but I don't see any pink ones of similar size and tepal width in flower right now. Has anyone else encountered this name? Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From penstemon@Q.com Wed, 26 Sep 2018 12:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <4D499F1FBD7E4688A5721D2D21B2D361@bobPC> From: "penstemon" Subject: Colchicum "liparichoides" Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 13:10:22 -0600 >Has anyone else encountered this name? Probably Colchicum liparochiadys, which, according to the Plant List, is an unresolved name. Tropicos shows no citation; e-monocot and Plantarium don’t even list it. Bob _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From mark@marksgardenplants.com Wed, 26 Sep 2018 13:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <00ae01d455ce$87a21f80$96e65e80$@marksgardenplants.com> From: "mark smyth" Subject: Colchicum "liparichoides" Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 20:24:20 +0100 You should post a photo on the Crocus and Colchicum page on facebook or on SRGC or both Mark -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net] On Behalf Of Jane McGary Sent: 26 September 2018 19:58 To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: [pbs] Colchicum "liparichoides" Flowering in my bulb house now is a middle-sized Colchicum which I once grew from seed received under the name "Colchicum liparichoides." This name (to my astonishment) does not exist anywhere within the reach of Google, where invalid plant names abound. Its well-rounded white flowers do not resemble those of the other white colchicums now in flower, which are all smaller and with narrower tepals. It in fact resembles a half-size version of the popular garden selection 'Innocence', long grown as "Colchicum byzantinum album." I suppose it might be a white form of some normally pink species, but I don't see any pink ones of similar size and tepal width in flower right now. Has anyone else encountered this name? Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . SPAMfighter has removed 1281 of my spam emails to date. Do you have a slow PC? Try a free scan! --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Wed, 26 Sep 2018 16:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1184803760.8151.1538003123189@mail.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: Colchicum "liparichoides" Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 23:05:23 +0000 (UTC) As I read Jane's post about Colchicum liparichoides, I had the strange feeling that I knew that name from somewhere. Finally it dawned on me: I went back and checked my records and sure enough, back in 2004, when Jane was still conducting sales of her excess bulbs,  Jane sent me a corm under that name. I have nothing to show for it now: not even a photo of the corm. Jim McKenneyMontgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, where Sternbergia lutea is now blooming freely.  _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From janemcgary@earthlink.net Wed, 26 Sep 2018 17:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Colchicum "liparichoides" Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 16:40:37 -0700 Thanks to Bob Nold's superior searching skills, I discovered a couple of Russian botanical sites on which C. liparochiadys was given as a synonym of Colchicum woronowii. I can't find an image of the latter to compare with my plants, though. Whatever this is, it's well worth growing, as are so many of these compact Colchicum species. Sorry to hear Jim McKenney lost it. I'll lift the corms next summer and try it on the rock garden too. Mysterious names often derive from older floras published during the Soviet era. There may have been official encouragement to botanists to publish unique names for species described elsewhere under other names. One can observe this tendency under autocratic regimes elsewhere as well. Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon On 9/26/2018 12:10 PM, penstemon wrote: >> Has anyone else encountered this name? > Probably Colchicum liparochiadys, which, according to the Plant List, is an unresolved name. Tropicos shows no citation; e-monocot and Plantarium don’t even list it. > > Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From janemcgary@earthlink.net Wed, 26 Sep 2018 17:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <50303ac3-8575-d149-d58d-9a2cda26c21e@earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: Colchicum woronowii, was Colchicum "liparichoides" Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 16:58:43 -0700 The mystery is solved! In the 1993 (N)ARGS seed list, I find Colchicum woronowii (liparochiadys), donated by Molly Grothaus. The reason I didn't list ARGS as my source is evidently that Molly gave me the seed directly. She was a leading gardener in the Portland area, known especially for her expertise in bulbs, and around that time our rock garden group had an informal bulb enthusiasts' subgroup that met to exchange bulbs and seeds. I either misread Molly's label on the seed packet, or she wrote down a similar word (as we easily do). I still grow a number of bulbs I had from her as offsets or seed. Molly had many international contacts in the bulb world dating back before World War II, particularly in the UK, Germany, and Czechoslovakia, and presumably got seeds of this species from some collector abroad. How long ago did this little species make its way from the wild to a European gardener, and thence to Oregon? Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon On 9/26/2018 4:40 PM, Jane McGary wrote: > Thanks to Bob Nold's superior searching skills, I discovered a couple > of Russian botanical sites on which C. liparochiadys was given as a > synonym of Colchicum woronowii. I can't find an image of the latter to > compare with my plants, though. > > Whatever this is, it's well worth growing, as are so many of these > compact Colchicum species. Sorry to hear Jim McKenney lost it. I'll > lift the corms next summer and try it on the rock garden too. > > Mysterious names often derive from older floras published during the > Soviet era. There may have been official encouragement to botanists to > publish unique names for species described elsewhere under other > names. One can observe this tendency under autocratic regimes > elsewhere as well. > > Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon > > > On 9/26/2018 12:10 PM, penstemon wrote: >>> Has anyone else encountered this name? >> Probably Colchicum liparochiadys, which, according to the Plant List, >> is an unresolved name. Tropicos shows no citation; e-monocot and >> Plantarium don’t even list it. >> >> Bob >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 27 Sep 2018 17:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <735186124.652995.1538092300229@mail.yahoo.com> From: Steve Evans via pbs Subject: Allium stellatum in bloom Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 23:51:40 +0000 (UTC) The Allium stellatum populations are in bloom here in Oklahoma.  This native wildflower has performed great in the flower beds here.  Beautiful fall blooming species. 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Name: Allium stellatum habhabitat19Aug14 DSC06765.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 318414 bytes Desc: not available URL: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From msittner@mcn.org Thu, 27 Sep 2018 18:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Allium stellatum in bloom Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 17:17:08 -0700 Hi Steve, We don't have this on the wiki. Would you be willing to write me some text about it and have your photo added? Mary Sue On 9/27/2018 4:51 PM, Steve Evans via pbs wrote: > The Allium stellatum populations are in bloom here in Oklahoma. This native wildflower has performed great in the flower beds > > here. Beautiful fall blooming species. > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 20160923_172432.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 1143913 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From robin@hansennursery.com Thu, 27 Sep 2018 20:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <000301d456c9$ad938b10$08baa130$@hansennursery.com> From: "Hansen Nursery" Subject: Allium stellatum in bloom Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 18:22:09 -0700 My Allium drummondii looks very similar and it bloomed here in late August, early September. This is the first year it really put on a show, and one called Allium moly 'Jeannine' that came from Mark Akimoff also did well and is about the same size with clear yellow flowers. In fact all the alliums I have were very happy as we've had a warm summer, although 77 is really pushing it unless I'm in the shade - too much humidity, but this isn't Texas... Robin Hansen Nursery robin@hansennursery.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 27 Sep 2018 20:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1848115509.698575.1538097946572@mail.yahoo.com> From: Steve Evans via pbs Subject: Allium stellatum in bloom Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 01:25:46 +0000 (UTC) No problem.  Give me a day or so to write the text. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 19:17, Mary Sue Ittner wrote: Hi Steve, We don't have this on the wiki. Would you be willing to write me some text about it and have your photo added? Mary Sue On 9/27/2018 4:51 PM, Steve Evans via pbs wrote: > The Allium stellatum populations are in bloom here in Oklahoma.  This native wildflower has performed great in the flower beds > > here.  Beautiful fall blooming species. > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 20160923_172432.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 1143913 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 27 Sep 2018 20:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1176039325.689883.1538098796820@mail.yahoo.com> From: aaron floden via pbs Subject: Allium stellatum in bloom Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 01:39:56 +0000 (UTC) Allium drummondii should be fully dormant this time year since it is a spring-flowering species. The variation in flowering times for Allium stellatum is from August to October. The Ozark material was still in flower last weekend and plants from middle Tennessee near Nashville were done by the 1st of September for me.  Aaron On Thursday, September 27, 2018, 8:22:23 PM CDT, Hansen Nursery wrote: My Allium drummondii looks very similar and it bloomed here in late August, early September.  This is the first year it really put on a show, and one called Allium moly 'Jeannine' that came from Mark Akimoff also did well and is about the same size with clear yellow flowers. In fact all the alliums I have were very happy as we've had a warm summer, although 77 is really pushing it unless I'm in the shade - too much humidity, but this isn't Texas... Robin Hansen Nursery robin@hansennursery.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From robin@hansennursery.com Thu, 27 Sep 2018 20:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <000401d456d1$06d47ed0$147d7c70$@hansennursery.com> From: "Hansen Nursery" Subject: Allium drummondii was A. stellatum Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 19:14:45 -0700 Hmm, it came as seed from either Berry Botanic Garden or Leach Botanical Garden. Looks like I'll go back to the books. Fortunately I have some good photos of it. If I can't identify it, I will send it in. Robin Hansen Nursery robin@hansennursery.com Allium drummondii should be fully dormant this time year since it is a spring-flowering species. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jane@deskhenge.com Fri, 28 Sep 2018 08:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <7aefeb79-6939-cd82-c0e5-8fc98bcbcde8@deskhenge.com> From: Jane Sargent Subject: Allium stellatum Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 10:32:12 -0400 Are there other late-blooming alliums that are available in commerce? Jane Sargent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Fri, 28 Sep 2018 09:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <26D2A661-F9E6-452E-A36F-3024D935C38B@kc.rr.com> From: James Waddick Subject: Allium stellatum Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 10:56:39 -0500 Jane A. thunbergii esp the cv Ozawa is small and late blooming and very hardy. http://www.ecbrownsnursery.biz/index.cfm/fuseaction/plants.plantDetail/plant_id/759/index.htm Jim W. On Sep 28, 2018, at 9:32 AM, Jane Sargent wrote: Are there other late-blooming alliums that are available in commerce? Jane Sargent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Dr. James Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 USA Phone 816-746-1949 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 28 Sep 2018 11:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <540946063.1022423.1538156081030@mail.yahoo.com> From: aaron floden via pbs Subject: Allium stellatum Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 17:34:41 +0000 (UTC) Jim mentioned thunbergii, which might be the most available of the autumn flowering species. There are also saxatile, psebiacum, maowanense (which I passed around to people after getting from Chen Yi then lost it myself), and others. None are easy to come by though. Aaron On Friday, September 28, 2018, 9:32:49 AM CDT, Jane Sargent wrote: Are there other late-blooming alliums that are available in commerce? Jane Sargent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From janemcgary@earthlink.net Fri, 28 Sep 2018 11:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <0cb6ad96-6499-9bde-2533-4b0068ec5fae@earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: Allium stellatum Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 11:14:24 -0700 I think most of the fall-flowering Allium species are from East Asia, and they are not sold as dormant bulbs because they don't form a substantial bulb with a tunic, which could be stored dry. They do increase well and sometimes you can buy them in pots. Aaron mentioned A. thunbergii, and there are at least 3 others. They are small plants with purple flowers and numerous grassy leaves. I don't find them very satisfactory in the garden border, but they probably do better in more humid areas. (It may be confusing to those who know that both I and Robin Hansen live in Oregon, and I complain of low humidity while she mentions excessive humidity; the answer is that she lives quite near the Pacific Ocean, and I'm inland, on the other side of the Coast Range and not subject to summer fog. If I were on the other side of the nearby Cascade Mountains farther to the east, I would be in a near-desert, but still in Oregon.) Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA On 9/28/2018 7:32 AM, Jane Sargent wrote: > Are there other late-blooming alliums that are available in commerce? _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Fri, 28 Sep 2018 13:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: Allium stellatum Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 14:38:47 -0500 Aaron, There’s another more dwarf fall Allium from Japan. Something like eiensie or eliensis - can’t quite retrieve that name. Small and fall flowering. Cute. Plant Delights sold it at least once. Jim On Sep 28, 2018, at 12:34 PM, aaron floden via pbs wrote: Jim mentioned thunbergii, which might be the most available of the autumn flowering species. There are also saxatile, psebiacum, maowanense (which I passed around to people after getting from Chen Yi then lost it myself), and others. None are easy to come by though. Aaron On Friday, September 28, 2018, 9:32:49 AM CDT, Jane Sargent wrote: Are there other late-blooming alliums that are available in commerce? Jane Sargent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Dr. James Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 USA Phone 816-746-1949 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Fri, 28 Sep 2018 13:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: Allium kiiense Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 14:41:50 -0500 Friends, I checked Plant Delights for Allium kiiense to fiure out the name. Forgot the ‘k’ out front. Only 6 in tall. https://www.plantdelights.com/products/allium-kiiense Best Jim On Sep 28, 2018, at 2:38 PM, James Waddick wrote: Aaron, There’s another more dwarf fall Allium from Japan. Something like eiensie or eliensis - can’t quite retrieve that name. Small and fall flowering. Cute. Plant Delights sold it at least once. Jim On Sep 28, 2018, at 12:34 PM, aaron floden via pbs wrote: Jim mentioned thunbergii, which might be the most available of the autumn flowering species. There are also saxatile, psebiacum, maowanense (which I passed around to people after getting from Chen Yi then lost it myself), and others. None are easy to come by though. Aaron On Friday, September 28, 2018, 9:32:49 AM CDT, Jane Sargent wrote: Are there other late-blooming alliums that are available in commerce? Jane Sargent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Dr. James Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 USA Phone 816-746-1949 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Dr. James Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 USA Phone 816-746-1949 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 28 Sep 2018 13:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <2118811210.843625.1538164979436@mail.yahoo.com> From: Brian Whyer via pbs Subject: Allium kiiense Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:02:59 +0000 (UTC) I am growing what I believe is Allium nigrum. In flower now, slightly later than normal because of our long hot summer which put many plants on hold. Around 2 feet tall for me this year, from recent rains, but maybe a little shorter most years. A very neat simple plant, but lots of seed so could be a pest elsewhere. Brian Whyer, south east UK   _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 28 Sep 2018 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: lakedees via pbs Subject: Allium stellatum Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 16:22:26 -0400 Allium ellisii Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: James Waddick Date: 9/28/18 3:38 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] Allium stellatum Aaron, There’s another more dwarf fall Allium from Japan. Something like eiensie or eliensis - can’t quite retrieve that name. Small and fall flowering. Cute. Plant Delights sold it at least once. Jim On Sep 28, 2018, at 12:34 PM, aaron floden via pbs wrote: Jim mentioned thunbergii, which might be the most available of the autumn flowering species. There are also saxatile, psebiacum, maowanense (which I passed around to people after getting from Chen Yi then lost it myself), and others. None are easy to come by though. Aaron    On Friday, September 28, 2018, 9:32:49 AM CDT, Jane Sargent wrote:  Are there other late-blooming alliums that are available in commerce? Jane Sargent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Dr. James Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 USA Phone     816-746-1949 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From robin@hansennursery.com Fri, 28 Sep 2018 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <000301d4576c$f0e745c0$d2b5d140$@hansennursery.com> From: "Hansen Nursery" Subject: Allium stellatum Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 13:50:50 -0700 Ok, so it's not likely a native, and being about 12 inches tall and lavender that will give me some direction. I appreciate the list of possibilities. I'm sure that will help. I have D Davies' allium book but it's a series of gardening books more than a monograph and sometimes not very helpful as she doesn't include the rock garden species. Thanks for your comments. If I can't figure it out, I will forward to PBS to be put on the "mysteries" list! Robin Hansen Nursery robin@hansennursery.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Fri, 28 Sep 2018 16:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <6B8F5DF1-53CC-4863-A8BE-B491717AE555@kc.rr.com> From: James Waddick Subject: Allium stellatum Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 17:18:14 -0500 Dear lakadees, Not familiar with this name, but I think this is middle eastern. I am certain the name I was thinking of is A. kiiense from Japan with Autumnal flowering. Best Jim W. On Sep 28, 2018, at 3:22 PM, lakedees via pbs wrote: Allium ellisii Dr. James Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 USA Phone 816-746-1949 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From plantsman@comcast.net Fri, 28 Sep 2018 18:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Nathan Lange Subject: autumn flowering Alliums Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 17:40:24 -0700 These are some additional Allium species reported to be autumn flowering but not in commerce in North America (except A. chinense). Many are recently described and rare (not A. chinense). I don't grow any of them. A. archeotrichon A. chinense (culinary) A. istanbulense A. makrianum A. oporinanthum A. tardiflorum A. telmatum A. therinanthum (described as late-flowering) Nathan At 10:34 AM 9/28/2018, you wrote: > Jim mentioned thunbergii, which might be the most available of the > autumn flowering species. There are also saxatile, psebiacum, > maowanense (which I passed around to people after getting from Chen > Yi then lost it myself), and others. None are easy to come by > though. Aaron On Friday, September 28, 2018, 9:32:49 AM CDT, > Jane Sargent wrote: Are there other > late-blooming alliums that are available in commerce? Jane Sargent > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From arnold140@verizon.net Fri, 28 Sep 2018 18:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <16622cb660f-1ec1-2b94@webjas-vad036.srv.aolmail.net> From: Arnold Trachtenberg Subject: autumn flowering Alliums Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:47:28 -0400 Flowering now is the dangerously spreading Allium tuberosum Arnold Trachtenberg arnold140@verizon.net -----Original Message----- From: Nathan Lange To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Fri, Sep 28, 2018 8:40 pm Subject: [pbs] autumn flowering Alliums These are some additional Allium species reported to be autumn flowering but not in commerce in North America (except A. chinense). Many are recently described and rare (not A. chinense). I don't grow any of them. A. archeotrichon A. chinense (culinary) A. istanbulense A. makrianum A. oporinanthum A. tardiflorum A. telmatum A. therinanthum (described as late-flowering) Nathan At 10:34 AM 9/28/2018, you wrote: > Jim mentioned thunbergii, which might be the most available of the > autumn flowering species. There are also saxatile, psebiacum, > maowanense (which I passed around to people after getting from Chen > Yi then lost it myself), and others. None are easy to come by > though. Aaron On Friday, September 28, 2018, 9:32:49 AM CDT, > Jane Sargent wrote: Are there other > late-blooming alliums that are available in commerce? Jane Sargent > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Fri, 28 Sep 2018 22:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: autumn flowering Alliums Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 23:19:44 -0500 Nathan, Can’t say anything about most of these excpt for A. chinense. This is still fairly uncommon. It took me years to get ahold of plants. Apparently it is slow or never blooms or sets seed. Mine has never bloomed in 3 years or so. It does multiply fairly fast if happy which it is not here: been too hot and way too dry. Although it is common in Asia as an edible (mostly pickled) item I have never seen it offered for sale in the US. Jim W. On Sep 28, 2018, at 7:40 PM, Nathan Lange wrote: These are some additional Allium species reported to be autumn flowering but not in commerce in North America (except A. chinense). Many are recently described and rare (not A. chinense). I don't grow any of them. A. archeotrichon A. chinense (culinary) A. istanbulense A. makrianum A. oporinanthum A. tardiflorum A. telmatum A. therinanthum (described as late-flowering) Nathan At 10:34 AM 9/28/2018, you wrote: > Jim mentioned thunbergii, which might be the most available of the autumn flowering species. There are also saxatile, psebiacum, maowanense (which I passed around to people after getting from Chen Yi then lost it myself), and others. None are easy to come by though. Aaron On Friday, September 28, 2018, 9:32:49 AM CDT, Jane Sargent wrote: Are there other late-blooming alliums that are available in commerce? Jane Sargent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Dr. James Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 USA Phone 816-746-1949 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jane@deskhenge.com Sat, 29 Sep 2018 06:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <2ba3cc6a-66f3-1670-7032-3bd900c00e91@deskhenge.com> From: Jane Sargent Subject: fall-flowering alliums Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 08:53:54 -0400 Thank you all!  I continue to be awed by the collective erudition displayed on this forum. Too bad we can't monetize it on some team trivial pursuit game... I'll do my best to plant some late alliums. Of course, there are other drumstick-shaped flowers that bloom at various times, such as Armeria and Silene, but you wouldn't want them on your bagel. Thanks from Massachusetts, where asters are in riot and the very last hemerocallis has opened its final bud. Jane Sargent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From robin@hansennursery.com Sat, 29 Sep 2018 09:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <000901d4580c$8271b990$87552cb0$@hansennursery.com> From: "Hansen Nursery" Subject: fall-flowering alliums Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 08:53:04 -0700 I echo Jane S.'s comments about the collective wisdom and knowledge of this group. It would be impossible to replicate all of this in a single book!!!! Robin Hansen Nursery robin@hansennursery.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From johannes-ulrich-urban@t-online.de Sat, 29 Sep 2018 09:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <54A0D240-61DD-4763-AAD4-4918929FE929@t-online.de> From: Johannes-Ulrich Urban Subject: Summer flowering Alliums and more Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 17:06:07 +0100 Dear All, There is also a pretty summer flowering Allium from Mongolia, Siberia and northern China. Allium neriniflorum. It looks very good on pictures and I have just received it from Buried Treasures in England. Here is a link with appetizing pictures. http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/plants/plant-portraits/Allium+neriniflorum+Plant+of+the+month+Aug+/142/ It is still very hot and dry here in southern Portugal, in August we barely escaped the devastating wildfires..... large areas are burnt and about 200 people left homeless. The local very pale pink Amaryllis belladonna is flowering in spite of the drought, so is Urginea maritima. The first potted and watered Oxalis start to flower, most are still invisible. Nights are getting cooler now and days shorter. One of the great pleasures of my garden in the making is Calonyction album with about 50 saucer sized fragrant flowers opening every evening, not a geophyte, though. A seed list for the BX is in preparation. I am very moved by the last issue of the Bulb Garden. I have met Rachel only once very briefly but have corresponded with her from time to time, always very helpful, friendly and competent...... and the plants of course with Silverhill on their labels... Bye for today Uli _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sat, 29 Sep 2018 13:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <4f0a5490-2a13-ab4c-17f1-fcdf19827217@earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: Summer flowering Alliums and more Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 12:35:23 -0700 Please be aware that seeds of many Allium species are donated, often in large amounts, to the North American Rock Garden Society (NARGS) Seed Exchange and, I assume, to the Alpine Garden Society (AGS) and Scottish Rock Garden Club (SRGC) exchanges. Joining one or more of these societies gives you access to thousands of kinds of seeds at very low cost. Alliums are one of the easiest genera of bulbs to grow, flowering after as little as 2 years. The last two years our NARGS chapter handled the "surplus" distribution, the second round where members could order up to 100 packets, and there must have been more than 50 species or subspecies of Allium in that box (the order filling took place in my spare room, so I'm very familiar with it). If Allium were an interest of mine, I would have been very happy about that! I do grow a few, particularly the small western American species, and a couple of tall ones for cutting. Just planted about 60 French Gray shallots in the vegetable garden and hope they prosper. Someone mentioned Allium nigrum as potentially invasive and I'd agree with that. It's frequent in cultivated fields where native so must spread readily by offsets. The only one I grow that's prone to spread is Allium pulchellum, but it is such a pretty cut flower that I keep it in an area where it's easily controlled. Membership in all the international rock garden societies (there are more than the three mentioned above) is declining disturbingly, partly because of demographics. Another factor is the decision by the US government to prohibit the importation of small quantities of garden seed without a permit. The permits (thanks largely to the effort of Joyce Fingerut of NARGS) can be obtained without cost, but they have to be renewed frequently and the procedure is tedious. NARGS has to send its permits out to all its foreign members to enable them to donate, and people in the USA who belong to AGS or SRGC have to get the permits and send them to the societies with their seed orders. The root of this annoyance was the move of the US Department of Agriculture to place its inspection subdepartment (wonderfully known by the acronym APHIS) in the Department of Homeland Security, established newly after the 9-11 attack; moves of this kind were popular because it allowed the parent agencies to transfer the expense of the subdepartments to the well-funded DHS. Nonetheless, I encourage our PBS members to join one or more rock garden societies, even if you don't have a "rock garden." All three have good quarterly print journals and interesting meetings. And Allium seeds. Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From markemazer@gmail.com Sat, 29 Sep 2018 13:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Mark Mazer Subject: Summer flowering Alliums and more Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 16:01:53 -0400 Jane wrote; " Membership in all the international rock garden societies (there are more than the three mentioned above) is declining disturbingly, partly because of demographics. " The NARGS powers that be were personally warned 30 years ago and refused to address the issue. Sow, reap. So sad. Can't believe that the CT group, among others, is now defunct. Mark Mazer Hertford, NC On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 3:33 PM Jane McGary wrote: > Please be aware that seeds of many Allium species are donated, often in > large amounts, to the North American Rock Garden Society (NARGS) Seed > Exchange and, I assume, to the Alpine Garden Society (AGS) and Scottish > Rock Garden Club (SRGC) exchanges. Joining one or more of these > societies gives you access to thousands of kinds of seeds at very low > cost. Alliums are one of the easiest genera of bulbs to grow, flowering > after as little as 2 years. The last two years our NARGS chapter handled > the "surplus" distribution, the second round where members could order > up to 100 packets, and there must have been more than 50 species or > subspecies of Allium in that box (the order filling took place in my > spare room, so I'm very familiar with it). If Allium were an interest of > mine, I would have been very happy about that! I do grow a few, > particularly the small western American species, and a couple of tall > ones for cutting. Just planted about 60 French Gray shallots in the > vegetable garden and hope they prosper. > > Someone mentioned Allium nigrum as potentially invasive and I'd agree > with that. It's frequent in cultivated fields where native so must > spread readily by offsets. The only one I grow that's prone to spread is > Allium pulchellum, but it is such a pretty cut flower that I keep it in > an area where it's easily controlled. > > Membership in all the international rock garden societies (there are > more than the three mentioned above) is declining disturbingly, partly > because of demographics. Another factor is the decision by the US > government to prohibit the importation of small quantities of garden > seed without a permit. The permits (thanks largely to the effort of > Joyce Fingerut of NARGS) can be obtained without cost, but they have to > be renewed frequently and the procedure is tedious. NARGS has to send > its permits out to all its foreign members to enable them to donate, and > people in the USA who belong to AGS or SRGC have to get the permits and > send them to the societies with their seed orders. The root of this > annoyance was the move of the US Department of Agriculture to place its > inspection subdepartment (wonderfully known by the acronym APHIS) in the > Department of Homeland Security, established newly after the 9-11 > attack; moves of this kind were popular because it allowed the parent > agencies to transfer the expense of the subdepartments to the > well-funded DHS. Nonetheless, I encourage our PBS members to join one or > more rock garden societies, even if you don't have a "rock garden." All > three have good quarterly print journals and interesting meetings. And > Allium seeds. > > Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From robin@hansennursery.com Sat, 29 Sep 2018 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <002f01d45831$80130940$80391bc0$@hansennursery.com> From: "Hansen Nursery" Subject: Summer flowering Alliums and more Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 13:17:51 -0700 Jane says it's worth it to get a USDA permit and it's so streamlined now that's it's worth the few minutes of your time online. There are just so many incredible seeds available that we will never otherwise see in commerce because nurseries cater almost always to the common, easy-to-grow species. There are a few (and dwindling) such as Oliver Nurseries in Connecticut or Brent and Becky's (and a few others) that carry the unusual or hard to find. For those of us who are picky, it can be so difficult to find plants, but much easier to find seed. Just remember when filling in the blanks to specify the designated port of entry; this is very important as some are much more efficient most of the time (notice my caveat) than others. I use Seattle (I'm on the West Coast) and have been very satisfied. It's important to put your cell number on all your order forms so that an agent can call you. Not all ports of entry will do this but Seattle has called me two or three times and in each case I'm so glad they checked with me. On the permit application under Articles, put "Small Lots of Seed Program, Eligible Taxa". Under countries of origin, put (for example) "United Kingdom (Republic of South Africa, etc.), and "various approved countries". Under plant parts, most people put "seed", but put whatever you're wanting such as bulbs. Under Intended Use, put "Small Lots of Seeds for Propagation". William A. can correct if I'm leading you astray, but I've not had any problems applying for a permit. If you are interested in seeing a list of known bulb nurseries with which you've had experience in the Bulb Garden, please contact me privately at robin@hansennursery.com and I will be happy to compile a list. I know a number of you are nurserymen who specialize in bulbs and from time to time you mention when your lists are available, Telos Rare Bulbs being one, so please contact me PRIVATELY. Robin Hansen Nursery robin@hansennursery.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From lmf@beautifulblooms.ab.ca Sat, 29 Sep 2018 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <001601d45834$e386e840$aa94b8c0$@beautifulblooms.ab.ca> From: "Linda M Foulis" Subject: Summer flowering Alliums and more Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 14:42:05 -0600 Joining the rock garden groups is a wonderful way to get seed that would otherwise be almost impossible to find, however, the exchange rate of the dollar has to be factored in. Unfortunately, everything is based on the almighty US dollar. Linda Foulis Canada _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jane@deskhenge.com Sat, 29 Sep 2018 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <7bbea02e-1471-29c1-32b3-09c85c5b93cd@deskhenge.com> From: Jane Sargent Subject: Alliums Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 17:06:18 -0400 Well, life has its surprises. I opened the  link Jim Waddick kindly sent, to a nursery in Vermont that has Allium thunbergii "ozawa." Yes, E C Brown Nursery has it, and lots of other desirable things, but they don't mail plants. This might be an inconvenience, but if you click their "Ask Chris" button, up comes a photo of their plant expert (and he really is an expert.)  He happens also to be my brother-in-law. I think I'll be able to obtain this pretty plant. Jane Sargent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From sbourrie@verizon.net Sat, 29 Sep 2018 15:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <974174632.1404593.1538256671475@mail.yahoo.com> From: Sally Bourrie Subject: Summer flowering Alliums and more Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 21:31:11 +0000 (UTC) Just wanted to add that APHIS is still part of the USDA. I'm a federal contractor and I actually work on a contract with PPQ (Plant Protection and Quarantine), which is the subagency of APHIS that handles plant imports. Sally BourrieMontgomery County, MD, where it's finally starting to dry out after receiving 1/4 of our typical annual rainfall in September alone sallybourrie.comBe kind whenever possible. It is always possible.-- Dalai Lama From: Mark Mazer To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [pbs] Summer flowering Alliums and more Jane wrote;  " Membership in all the international rock garden societies (there are more than the three mentioned above) is declining disturbingly, partly because of demographics. " The NARGS powers that be were personally warned  30 years ago and refused to address the issue.  Sow, reap.  So sad.  Can't believe that the CT group, among others, is now defunct. Mark Mazer Hertford, NC On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 3:33 PM Jane McGary wrote: > Please be aware that seeds of many Allium species are donated, often in > large amounts, to the North American Rock Garden Society (NARGS) Seed > Exchange and, I assume, to the Alpine Garden Society (AGS) and Scottish > Rock Garden Club (SRGC) exchanges. Joining one or more of these > societies gives you access to thousands of kinds of seeds at very low > cost. Alliums are one of the easiest genera of bulbs to grow, flowering > after as little as 2 years. The last two years our NARGS chapter handled > the "surplus" distribution, the second round where members could order > up to 100 packets, and there must have been more than 50 species or > subspecies of Allium in that box (the order filling took place in my > spare room, so I'm very familiar with it). If Allium were an interest of > mine, I would have been very happy about that! I do grow a few, > particularly the small western American species, and a couple of tall > ones for cutting. Just planted about 60 French Gray shallots in the > vegetable garden and hope they prosper. > > Someone mentioned Allium nigrum as potentially invasive and I'd agree > with that. It's frequent in cultivated fields where native so must > spread readily by offsets. The only one I grow that's prone to spread is > Allium pulchellum, but it is such a pretty cut flower that I keep it in > an area where it's easily controlled. > > Membership in all the international rock garden societies (there are > more than the three mentioned above) is declining disturbingly, partly > because of demographics. Another factor is the decision by the US > government to prohibit the importation of small quantities of garden > seed without a permit. The permits (thanks largely to the effort of > Joyce Fingerut of NARGS) can be obtained without cost, but they have to > be renewed frequently and the procedure is tedious. NARGS has to send > its permits out to all its foreign members to enable them to donate, and > people in the USA who belong to AGS or SRGC have to get the permits and > send them to the societies with their seed orders. The root of this > annoyance was the move of the US Department of Agriculture to place its > inspection subdepartment (wonderfully known by the acronym APHIS) in the > Department of Homeland Security, established newly after the 9-11 > attack; moves of this kind were popular because it allowed the parent > agencies to transfer the expense of the subdepartments to the > well-funded DHS. Nonetheless, I encourage our PBS members to join one or > more rock garden societies, even if you don't have a "rock garden." All > three have good quarterly print journals and interesting meetings. And > Allium seeds. > > Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs