Hello Fred, thanks so much for the information. I am excited to have these marvellous seeds (thank you Bjorn) and also to Sabrina who emailed me a lovely photo of her seedlings in situ. What a wonderful group this is! Melissa, Sarsfield Australia > On 9 May 2019, at 9:00 pm, pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net wrote: > > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Arum Pictum (Johannes Ulrich Urban) > 2. Pretty Sure It IS Arum pictum (Judy Glattstein) > 3. Re: Pretty Sure It IS Arum pictum (Tony Avent) > 4. Re: Pretty Sure It IS Arum pictum (David Pilling) > 5. Cyanixia and Anomatheca (Evan Eifler) > 6. Arum pictum Seed P.S. (Judy Glattstein) > 7. Re: Pretty Sure It IS Arum pictum (Tony Avent) > 8. Re: Pretty Sure It IS Arum pictum (john@oltarakwa.co.uk) > 9. Re: Pamianthe (Melissa Churchman) > 10. Re: Pamianthe (Jose) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 12:16:00 +0100 > From: Johannes Ulrich Urban <johannes-ulrich-urban@t-online.de> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: [pbs] Arum Pictum > Message-ID: <f1301e51-cc9d-1e6f-0344-487af95cf374@t-online.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Hello Judy, Hello Tony, > > Why should her plant be wrongly labelled? A flower in September can very > well produce ripe seed now. The confusion may arise because there is > also a variety of Arum italicum called A. italicum 'Pictum' which is NOT > Arum pictum. I would think that a plant from Telos is correctly identified. > > A. pictum is winter growing and goes dormant in summer, it is a classic > mediterranean plant. It therefore would not make much sense to sow the > seed now because it will not germinate before autumn, normally triggered > by lower temperatures and moisture. My experience with Arum seed is that > they are quite long lived and robust, they will germinate when they > "feel" the right moment has come. > > But, to avoid losses due to too much moisture during the summer dormancy > in a more or less closed container, I would remove the seeds from the > box and keep them dry and cool in a paper bag and sow in autumn. I think > that freshly harvested seed is not yet "woken up" with one spraying of > water. But if you want to be on the safe side you can divide the lot and > leave half of it in the box and compare the results later on. > > Good luck! > > > Uli > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 09:21:32 -0400 > From: Judy Glattstein <jgglatt@gmail.com> > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: [pbs] Pretty Sure It IS Arum pictum > Message-ID: <f29a6a9a-1eff-b334-e505-5f40880887fd@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Tony, the arum is fall flowering, September into October. Purple-black > spathe. Seeds were green for the longest while, finally turning > orange-red. Leaves (two) withered away quite some time ago. This is the > first time it has set seed. No offsets. > > Judy in soggy New Jersey > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 14:51:21 +0000 > From: Tony Avent <Tony@plantdelights.com> > To: Judy Glattstein <jgglatt@gmail.com>, > "pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net" <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Pretty Sure It IS Arum pictum > Message-ID: <0f701db467q1qe5b03lt2kst.1557327042250@email.lge.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Fascinating that the seed stayed green that long > > Sent from my Verizon LG Smartphone > > ------ Original message------ > From: Judy Glattstein > Date: Wed, May 8, 2019 9:21 AM > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net; > Cc: > Subject:[pbs] Pretty Sure It IS Arum pictum > > Tony, the arum is fall flowering, September into October. Purple-black > spathe. Seeds were green for the longest while, finally turning > orange-red. Leaves (two) withered away quite some time ago. This is the > first time it has set seed. No offsets. > > Judy in soggy New Jersey > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net<mailto:pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > ________________________________ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 17:12:24 +0100 > From: David Pilling <david@davidpilling.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Pretty Sure It IS Arum pictum > Message-ID: <e49940ea-dce0-3545-d6b8-c4528fd8d037@davidpilling.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Hi, > > I've added Judy's photos of Arum pictum to the PBW wiki: > > https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/… > > short (confidence building) form: > > https://preview.tinyurl.com/y3vdvy5t/ > > > > -- > David Pilling > http://www.davidpilling.com/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 11:30:38 -0500 > From: Evan Eifler <evan.eifler@gmail.com> > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: [pbs] Cyanixia and Anomatheca > Message-ID: > <CAELfasSzhmAy=1zfWba=F=bkJ_J+JmnF87iWUDdux8xO+A=11A@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hi Everyone, > > I'm working on the phylogeny (family tree based on DNA) and evolution of > the genus Geissorhiza in the iris family for my PhD thesis - you might have > seen one of my articles in the newsletter a few years back. We will be > embedding the Geissorhiza phylogeny in a larger phylogeny including > representatives from each of the genera in the Iridaceae subfamily > Crocoideae which includes Crocus and Gladiolus. I've been successful at > acquiring leaf tissue or DNA from all of these genera except Cyanixia and > Anomatheca. At this point I've queried the Missouri, Chicago, and the UC > Botanical Gardens and Kew DNA bank in London but they are not available. > > I thought I'd send out one last ask to see if anyone happens to have any > species of Cyanixia or Anomatheca in your collection that you'd be willing > to share (a leaf or two). I'd need pure species, not hybrids. If anyone has > them please respond to this email or email me directly at eeifler@wisc.edu. > > Thank you very much! > Evan > > ps. sorry I've been slow to update the Geissorhiza page on the website, but > I hope to get to that this summer! > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 13:09:46 -0400 > From: Judy Glattstein <jgglatt@gmail.com> > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: [pbs] Arum pictum Seed P.S. > Message-ID: <967fb8d2-7d20-569d-0046-70f3c7938f6f@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > There was a total of 49 seeds (yes, I'm compulsive that way.) Some had > one seed / berry, some had two, a few had 3 or 4. There were also a > number that had nothing inside. The seeds looked similar to the arisaema > species I've raised from seed - basically spherical with a tiny point. > > Judy, speculating that they'll germinate about the same time the parent > tuber wakes into growth in September > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 9 May 2019 00:35:22 +0000 > From: Tony Avent <Tony@plantdelights.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Pretty Sure It IS Arum pictum > Message-ID: <9114168ebad8453eb0d5647874174dcd@PDN-EXCHANGE.pdn.local> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > The id is correct, but I don't think I've grown another aroid, whose seed didn't ripen for 6-7 months after flowering. For us, most other arum species have ripe seed 2-3 months after flowering. > > Tony Avent > Proprietor > tony@plantdelights.com > Juniper Level Botanic Garden<http://www.juniperlevelbotanicgarden.org/> and Plant Delights Nursery<http://www.plantdelights.com/> > Ph 919.772.4794/fx 919.772.4752 > 9241 Sauls Road, Raleigh, North Carolina 27603 USA > USDA Zone 7b/Winter 0-5 F/Summer 95-105F > "Preserving, Studying, Propagating, and Sharing the World's Flora" > [new-logo] > Since 1988, Plant Delights Nursery is THE Source for unique, rare and native perennial plants. > > > From: pbs <pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> On Behalf Of David Pilling > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2019 12:12 PM > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Pretty Sure It IS Arum pictum > > Hi, > > I've added Judy's photos of Arum pictum to the PBW wiki: > > https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/… > > short (confidence building) form: > > https://preview.tinyurl.com/y3vdvy5t/ > > > > -- > David Pilling > http://www.davidpilling.com/<http://www.davidpilling.com/> > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net<mailto:pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > > ________________________________ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 08:41:17 +0100 > From: john@oltarakwa.co.uk > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Pretty Sure It IS Arum pictum > Message-ID: <dde6fda1848f8e6d647bfa6540fa2a4f@oltarakwa.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > Delayed ripening may be characteristic of Mediterranean aroids: I've > never seen fruit on my Arum pictum, but Biarum tenuifolium doesn't ripen > until early summer from flowering in September. And it's true of most > other autumn-flowering Mediterranean bulbs, Crocus, Colchicum, > Sternbergia etc (though not Narcissus). > > John Grimshaw > > > > > On 2019-05-09 01:35, Tony Avent wrote: >> The id is correct, but I don't think I've grown another aroid, whose >> seed didn't ripen for 6-7 months after flowering. For us, most other >> arum species have ripe seed 2-3 months after flowering. >> >> Tony Avent >> Proprietor >> tony@plantdelights.com >> Juniper Level Botanic >> Garden<http://www.juniperlevelbotanicgarden.org/> and Plant Delights >> Nursery<http://www.plantdelights.com/> >> Ph 919.772.4794/fx 919.772.4752 >> 9241 Sauls Road, Raleigh, North Carolina 27603 USA >> USDA Zone 7b/Winter 0-5 F/Summer 95-105F >> "Preserving, Studying, Propagating, and Sharing the World's Flora" >> [new-logo] >> Since 1988, Plant Delights Nursery is THE Source for unique, rare and >> native perennial plants. >> >> >> From: pbs <pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> On Behalf Of David >> Pilling >> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2019 12:12 PM >> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> >> Subject: Re: [pbs] Pretty Sure It IS Arum pictum >> >> Hi, >> >> I've added Judy's photos of Arum pictum to the PBW wiki: >> >> https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/… >> >> short (confidence building) form: >> >> https://preview.tinyurl.com/y3vdvy5t/ >> >> >> >> -- >> David Pilling >> http://www.davidpilling.com/<http://www.davidpilling.com/> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net<mailto:pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… >> >> ________________________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 9 May 2019 18:45:18 +1000 > From: Melissa Churchman <melissa@sarsfieldwildflowers.com> > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: Re: [pbs] Pamianthe > Message-ID: > <C4732002-DED6-4E25-9158-5D9A90784C4B@sarsfieldwildflowers.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hello all. To my absolute delight I have been sent a gift of some Pamianthe peruviana seed. I would love to do these little treasures justice?how do you best germinate the seed? Is it possible to float them as per Hippeastrum (which is the technique I am familiar with for amaryllidaceae)? > > If not, what media would you recommend and what conditions? I can supply bottom heating (we are in South East Australia and it?s well on the way to winter now) in a misted bench environment, or even start indoors, which is where my Hippeastrum seeds are currently? > > Any suggestions or stories of your experiences greatly appreciated. Love the PBS :-) > Melissa Churchman > > > > > > > Sarsfield Wildflower Farm > > 1602 Great Alpine Road Sarsfield VIC 3875 > melissa@sarsfieldwildflowers.com > T: 03 5156 8812 M: 0407 012 338 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 9 May 2019 06:51:39 -0400 > From: "Jose" <arlen.jose@verizon.net> > To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Pamianthe > Message-ID: <018201d50655$2f59d1a0$8e0d74e0$@verizon.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Melissa, > > > > Congratulations of your wonder acquisition :) I too received mine in the > winter a few years back and I used the floating technique to get them > started as well and on a heated mat for a little extra warmth. I potted mine > up in a mix that is 90% volcanic scoria and 10% organics (peat, > compost.etc.) when they had a nice root development from being floated but > put a plastic dome over the pot for a little extra humidity until they > started to put out new roots into the mix. Two years later, they seem to be > doing quite well and are about two more years from flowing. Good luck with > yours. > > > > Fred > > Cambridge (Boston) MA, USA > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net] On Behalf Of > Melissa Churchman > Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2019 4:45 AM > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: Re: [pbs] Pamianthe > > > > Hello all. To my absolute delight I have been sent a gift of some Pamianthe > peruviana seed. I would love to do these little treasures justice.how do > you best germinate the seed? Is it possible to float them as per > Hippeastrum (which is the technique I am familiar with for amaryllidaceae)? > > > > If not, what media would you recommend and what conditions? I can supply > bottom heating (we are in South East Australia and it's well on the way to > winter now) in a misted bench environment, or even start indoors, which is > where my Hippeastrum seeds are currently. > > > > Any suggestions or stories of your experiences greatly appreciated. Love > the PBS :-) Melissa Churchman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sarsfield Wildflower Farm > > > > 1602 Great Alpine Road Sarsfield VIC 3875 > <mailto:melissa@sarsfieldwildflowers.com> melissa@sarsfieldwildflowers.com > > T: 03 5156 8812 M: 0407 012 338 > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > <mailto:pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > <http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/…> > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > > > > _____ > > > > <https://home.mcafee.com/utm_medium=email&utm_sourc… > mail&utm_content=emailclient?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=s > ig-email&utm_content=emailclient> > > Scanned by McAfee > <https://home.mcafee.com/utm_medium=email&utm_sourc… > mail&utm_content=emailclient?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=s > ig-email&utm_content=emailclient> R Total ProtectionT and confirmed > virus-free. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > > > ------------------------------ > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 27, Issue 6 > ********************************** _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/…