10. Pamianthe (Jose)

Melissa Churchman melissa@sarsfieldwildflowers.com
Thu, 09 May 2019 17:30:57 PDT
Hello Fred,  thanks so much for the information.  I am excited to have these marvellous seeds (thank you Bjorn) and also to Sabrina who emailed me a lovely photo of her seedlings in situ.

What a wonderful group this is!

Melissa, Sarsfield Australia







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>   1. Arum Pictum (Johannes Ulrich Urban)
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>   4. Re: Pretty Sure It IS Arum pictum (David Pilling)
>   5. Cyanixia and Anomatheca (Evan Eifler)
>   6. Arum pictum Seed P.S. (Judy Glattstein)
>   7. Re: Pretty Sure It IS Arum pictum (Tony Avent)
>   8. Re: Pretty Sure It IS Arum pictum (john@oltarakwa.co.uk)
>   9. Re: Pamianthe (Melissa Churchman)
>  10. Re: Pamianthe (Jose)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 12:16:00 +0100
> From: Johannes Ulrich Urban <johannes-ulrich-urban@t-online.de>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> Subject: [pbs] Arum Pictum
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> Hello Judy, Hello Tony,
> 
> Why should her plant be wrongly labelled? A flower in September can very 
> well produce ripe seed now. The confusion may arise because there is 
> also a variety of Arum italicum called A. italicum 'Pictum' which is NOT 
> Arum pictum. I would think that a plant from Telos is correctly identified.
> 
> A. pictum is winter growing and goes dormant in summer, it is a classic 
> mediterranean plant. It therefore would not make much sense to sow the 
> seed now because it will not germinate before autumn, normally triggered 
> by lower temperatures and moisture. My experience with Arum seed is that 
> they are quite long lived and robust, they will germinate when they 
> "feel" the right moment has come.
> 
> But, to avoid losses due to too much moisture during the summer dormancy 
> in a more or less closed container, I would remove the seeds from the 
> box and keep them dry and cool in a paper bag and sow in autumn. I think 
> that freshly harvested seed is not yet "woken up" with one spraying of 
> water. But if you want to be on the safe side you can divide the lot and 
> leave half of it in the box and compare the results later on.
> 
> Good luck!
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> Uli
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> Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 09:21:32 -0400
> From: Judy Glattstein <jgglatt@gmail.com>
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> Subject: [pbs] Pretty Sure It IS Arum pictum
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> Tony, the arum is fall flowering, September into October. Purple-black 
> spathe. Seeds were green for the longest while, finally turning 
> orange-red. Leaves (two) withered away quite some time ago. This is the 
> first time it has set seed. No offsets.
> 
> Judy in soggy New Jersey
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> Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 14:51:21 +0000
> From: Tony Avent <Tony@plantdelights.com>
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> Fascinating that the seed stayed green that long
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> Sent from my Verizon LG Smartphone
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> From: Judy Glattstein
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> Subject:[pbs] Pretty Sure It IS Arum pictum
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> Tony, the arum is fall flowering, September into October. Purple-black
> spathe. Seeds were green for the longest while, finally turning
> orange-red. Leaves (two) withered away quite some time ago. This is the
> first time it has set seed. No offsets.
> 
> Judy in soggy New Jersey
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> Hi,
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> I've added Judy's photos of Arum pictum to the PBW wiki:
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> https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…
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> short (confidence building) form:
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> https://preview.tinyurl.com/y3vdvy5t/
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> Subject: [pbs] Cyanixia and Anomatheca
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> Hi Everyone,
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> I'm working on the phylogeny (family tree based on DNA) and evolution of
> the genus Geissorhiza in the iris family for my PhD thesis - you might have
> seen one of my articles in the newsletter a few years back. We will be
> embedding the Geissorhiza phylogeny in a larger phylogeny including
> representatives from each of the genera in the Iridaceae subfamily
> Crocoideae which includes Crocus and Gladiolus. I've been successful at
> acquiring leaf tissue or DNA from all of these genera except Cyanixia and
> Anomatheca. At this point I've queried the Missouri, Chicago, and the UC
> Botanical Gardens and Kew DNA bank in London but they are not available.
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> I thought I'd send out one last ask to see if anyone happens to have any
> species of Cyanixia or Anomatheca in your collection that you'd be willing
> to share (a leaf or two). I'd need pure species, not hybrids. If anyone has
> them please respond to this email or email me directly at eeifler@wisc.edu.
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> Thank you very much!
> Evan
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> Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 13:09:46 -0400
> From: Judy Glattstein <jgglatt@gmail.com>
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> Subject: [pbs] Arum pictum Seed P.S.
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> There was a total of 49 seeds (yes, I'm compulsive that way.) Some had 
> one seed / berry, some had two, a few had 3 or 4. There were also a 
> number that had nothing inside. The seeds looked similar to the arisaema 
> species I've raised from seed - basically spherical with a tiny point.
> 
> Judy, speculating that they'll germinate about the same time the parent 
> tuber wakes into growth in September
> 
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> Date: Thu, 9 May 2019 00:35:22 +0000
> From: Tony Avent <Tony@plantdelights.com>
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> The id is correct, but I don't think I've grown another aroid, whose seed didn't ripen for 6-7 months after flowering. For us, most other arum species have ripe seed 2-3 months after flowering.
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> Hi,
> 
> I've added Judy's photos of Arum pictum to the PBW wiki:
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> https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…
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> short (confidence building) form:
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> https://preview.tinyurl.com/y3vdvy5t/
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> From: john@oltarakwa.co.uk
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> Delayed ripening may be characteristic of Mediterranean aroids: I've 
> never seen fruit on my Arum pictum, but Biarum tenuifolium doesn't ripen 
> until early summer from flowering in September. And it's true of most 
> other autumn-flowering Mediterranean bulbs, Crocus, Colchicum, 
> Sternbergia etc (though not Narcissus).
> 
> John Grimshaw
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> On 2019-05-09 01:35, Tony Avent wrote:
>> The id is correct, but I don't think I've grown another aroid, whose
>> seed didn't ripen for 6-7 months after flowering. For us, most other
>> arum species have ripe seed 2-3 months after flowering.
>> 
>> Tony Avent
>> Proprietor
>> tony@plantdelights.com
>> Juniper Level Botanic
>> Garden<http://www.juniperlevelbotanicgarden.org/> and Plant Delights
>> Nursery<http://www.plantdelights.com/>
>> Ph 919.772.4794/fx 919.772.4752
>> 9241 Sauls Road, Raleigh, North Carolina  27603  USA
>> USDA Zone 7b/Winter 0-5 F/Summer 95-105F
>> "Preserving, Studying, Propagating, and Sharing the World's Flora"
>> [new-logo]
>> Since 1988, Plant Delights Nursery is THE Source for unique, rare and
>> native perennial plants.
>> 
>> 
>> From: pbs <pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> On Behalf Of David 
>> Pilling
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2019 12:12 PM
>> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
>> Subject: Re: [pbs] Pretty Sure It IS Arum pictum
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I've added Judy's photos of Arum pictum to the PBW wiki:
>> 
>> https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…
>> 
>> short (confidence building) form:
>> 
>> https://preview.tinyurl.com/y3vdvy5t/
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> Date: Thu, 9 May 2019 18:45:18 +1000
> From: Melissa Churchman <melissa@sarsfieldwildflowers.com>
> To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net
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> Hello all.  To my absolute delight I have been sent a gift of some Pamianthe peruviana seed.  I would love to do these little treasures justice?how do you best germinate the seed?  Is it possible to float them as per Hippeastrum (which is the technique I am familiar with for amaryllidaceae)?
> 
> If not, what media would you recommend and what conditions?  I can supply bottom heating (we are in South East Australia and it?s well on the way to winter now) in a misted bench environment, or even start indoors, which is where my Hippeastrum seeds are currently?
> 
> Any suggestions or stories of your experiences greatly appreciated.  Love the PBS :-)
> Melissa Churchman
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> Date: Thu, 9 May 2019 06:51:39 -0400
> From: "Jose" <arlen.jose@verizon.net>
> To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Pamianthe
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> Hi Melissa,
> 
> 
> 
> Congratulations of your wonder acquisition :) I too received mine in the
> winter a few years back and I used the floating technique to get them
> started as well and on a heated mat for a little extra warmth. I potted mine
> up in a mix that is 90% volcanic scoria and 10% organics (peat,
> compost.etc.) when they had a nice root development from being floated but
> put a plastic dome over the pot for a little extra humidity until they
> started to put out new roots into the mix. Two years later, they seem to be
> doing quite well and are about two more years from flowing. Good luck with
> yours.
> 
> 
> 
> Fred
> 
> Cambridge (Boston) MA, USA
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> Melissa Churchman
> Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2019 4:45 AM
> To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Pamianthe
> 
> 
> 
> Hello all.  To my absolute delight I have been sent a gift of some Pamianthe
> peruviana seed.  I would love to do these little treasures justice.how do
> you best germinate the seed?  Is it possible to float them as per
> Hippeastrum (which is the technique I am familiar with for amaryllidaceae)?
> 
> 
> 
> If not, what media would you recommend and what conditions?  I can supply
> bottom heating (we are in South East Australia and it's well on the way to
> winter now) in a misted bench environment, or even start indoors, which is
> where my Hippeastrum seeds are currently.
> 
> 
> 
> Any suggestions or stories of your experiences greatly appreciated.  Love
> the PBS :-) Melissa Churchman
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