From jane@deskhenge.com Sun, 01 Sep 2019 06:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jane Sargent Subject: Kenneth Preteroti Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2019 08:49:31 -0400 Did you grow that glorious plant from seed? How many years did it take before it flowered? Jane Sargent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sun, 01 Sep 2019 11:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <7ebcce7b-d57a-267e-06b7-f8f7571da89f@earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: Fwd: PBS website contact:Cecil Houdyshel Catalogs Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2019 11:17:35 -0700 The following message came via the PBS website. If you would like to have these historic catalogs, please contact Mr. Morgan directly at his address below. Thanks, Jane McGary, Membership Coordinator -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: PBS website contact:Cecil Houdyshel Catalogs Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2019 05:29:18 +0000 (UTC) From: Apache Reply-To: Steve Morgan To: janemcgary@earthlink.net This is a message from the PBS website for janemcgary. Ms. McGary: I rescued a batch of Cecil Houdyshel bulb (mostly) catalogs that were being discarded at the UC Riverside Botanic Gardens, where I was Curator for 31 years. I wonder if you might know someone who would find them of interest. There are spring and fall issues from 1941 to 1962, complete, as well as a few related documents. If you know of someone who would like them, they are free and I would be willing ship them at my expense. Please let me know. Thanks. Steve Morgan UCR Botanic Gardens Curator (retired) 951-961-8926 cell -- Pacific Bulb Society web site email: website@pacificbulbsociety.org _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From ldiane.whitehead@gmail.com Sun, 01 Sep 2019 23:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <9CAE24FB-A1C6-43E8-B1D6-53030B88E971@gmail.com> From: Diane Whitehead Subject: Schizostylis/Hesperantha hybrids? Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2019 22:27:31 -0700 Schizostylis grows nicely for me as long as I water it in the summer. It is rhizomatous but doesn’t rampage as it does in Australia and California. It flowers from midsummer till hard frost and deer don’t eat it. I have a number of forms of it - mostly various permutations of pinks. Then it was reclassified as a Hesperantha, which is very variable. Some of the species can be day or night-blooming, scented or not, of different colours, with different pollinators. What a chance to diversify my Schizostylis! I ordered seed of all the Hesperantha species Silverhill offered, but have had no success growing them on after they germinated. Before I order more seed, I thought I should check to see if anyone has succeeded in hybridizing them, or noticed any accidental hybrids. Diane Whitehead Victoria, British Columbia, Canada cool mediterranean climate warm dry summers, mild wet winters 70 cm rain, sandy soil _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Mon, 02 Sep 2019 08:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <3B95EB2F-608B-4B6E-8CED-CE273A7E83EE@verizon.net> From: Kenneth Preteroti via pbs Subject: Kenneth Preteroti Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2019 11:01:39 -0400 Jane you are talking about the Haemanthus barkerae? Not from seed. A seedling bulb from Dylan I believe. I got in November of 2014. I got a new greenhouse in 2017 and it helped immensely with the winter growers. Ken P Old Bridge, NJ Zone 6 b _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Mon, 02 Sep 2019 10:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <7B3CA5BC-52ED-465C-8517-471D5E4A26F3@yahoo.ca> From: ERIKA SCHROEDERSECKER via pbs Subject: Crinum macowanii Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2019 12:47:36 -0400 Hello fellow bulbophiles, I’ve been growing Crinum macowanii for the last several years and every years it’s lush with two flowering stalks. It has not come out of dormancy this year which perplexes me. The bulb is very much alive. We had a cooler May and June but both July and August have been warm. Similarity my Brunsvigia grandiflora came out of dormancy only about 2 weeks ago while B. radulosa looks super. Does anyone have any explanation for this? I’m dumbfounded! Erika, Toronto, Ontario Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From kenttoto@gmail.com Mon, 02 Sep 2019 11:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Michael Kent Subject: Crinum macowanii Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2019 14:14:43 -0400 Hi Erica, *waves to Erica from the other side of the big lake* Our Spring was the same as yours. Some of my Crinum and Brunsvigia remained dormant, same as yours. In late June/early July, I was able to break the dormancy of the Crinums, and some of the Brunsvigia by filling the pot to the top with water (the inch or two at the top of the soil). If it drains completely in less than five minutes, refill it (once). Not sure why that worked, but all the Crinums I did it to sprouted within three days. A few of the Brunsvigia did the same, others are still dormant. This late in the year, I'd just let your C. macowanii remain dormant. It will not be harmed by the extended dormancy (or so I've read). My Cyrtanthus sanguineus is preparing to bloom, in maybe a week. That's about a month behind last year's schedule. Mike Z6a, in the Finger Lakes area, where the last week has seen dark and gloomy (and sometimes rainy) mornings followed by bright, sunny afternoons. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From guylep@hotmail.com Tue, 03 Sep 2019 00:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: guy l'eplattenier Subject: Crinum macowanii Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2019 06:20:24 +0000 About Crinum macowanii Dear Erika, Me too, I have been growing it in pots for many years in southern Catalunya. It blooms easily, 2 , 3 stems and give lots of big seeds. The only thing I do , it is to let it dry totally in winter outside in a dry spot and then to bring it back in a sunny place and water it till next winter! Regards Guy Obtenez Outlook pour iOS ________________________________ De : pbs de la part de ERIKA SCHROEDERSECKER via pbs Envoyé : Monday, September 2, 2019 6:47:36 PM À : pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Cc : ERIKA SCHROEDERSECKER Objet : Re: [pbs] Crinum macowanii Hello fellow bulbophiles, I’ve been growing Crinum macowanii for the last several years and every years it’s lush with two flowering stalks. It has not come out of dormancy this year which perplexes me. The bulb is very much alive. We had a cooler May and June but both July and August have been warm. Similarity my Brunsvigia grandiflora came out of dormancy only about 2 weeks ago while B. radulosa looks super. Does anyone have any explanation for this? I’m dumbfounded! Erika, Toronto, Ontario Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Tue, 03 Sep 2019 12:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: ERIKA SCHROEDERSECKER via pbs Subject: Crinum macowanii Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2019 15:16:35 -0400 Thank you to both Mike and Guy. It’s nice to know I’m not alone. In parts of eastern North America where it was cool this greatly delayed bulbs in general. I also water my bulbs the way you’ve described. I’ll water it very minimally now and leave it dormant until next year. Cheers! Erika Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 3, 2019, at 8:00 AM, pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net wrote: > > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post: List-Archive: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Kenneth Preteroti (Kenneth Preteroti) > 2. Re: Crinum macowanii (ERIKA SCHROEDERSECKER) > 3. Re: Crinum macowanii (Michael Kent) > 4. Re: Crinum macowanii (guy l'eplattenier) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2019 11:01:39 -0400 > From: Kenneth Preteroti > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: [pbs] Kenneth Preteroti > Message-ID: <3B95EB2F-608B-4B6E-8CED-CE273A7E83EE@verizon.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Jane you are talking about the Haemanthus barkerae? Not from seed. A seedling bulb from Dylan I believe. I got in November of 2014. I got a new greenhouse in 2017 and it helped immensely with the winter growers. > > Ken P > Old Bridge, NJ > Zone 6 b > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2019 12:47:36 -0400 > From: ERIKA SCHROEDERSECKER > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: Re: [pbs] Crinum macowanii > Message-ID: <7B3CA5BC-52ED-465C-8517-471D5E4A26F3@yahoo.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hello fellow bulbophiles, I?ve been growing Crinum macowanii for the last several years and every years it?s lush with two flowering stalks. It has not come out of dormancy this year which perplexes me. The bulb is very much alive. We had a cooler May and June but both July and August have been warm. Similarity my Brunsvigia grandiflora came out of dormancy only about 2 weeks ago while B. radulosa looks super. Does anyone have any explanation for this? I?m dumbfounded! Erika, Toronto, Ontario > > Sent from my iPhone > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2019 14:14:43 -0400 > From: Michael Kent > To: post to list > Subject: Re: [pbs] Crinum macowanii > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hi Erica, > > *waves to Erica from the other side of the big lake* > > Our Spring was the same as yours. Some of my Crinum and Brunsvigia remained > dormant, same as yours. In late June/early July, I was able to break the > dormancy of the Crinums, and some of the Brunsvigia by filling the pot to > the top with water (the inch or two at the top of the soil). If it drains > completely in less than five minutes, refill it (once). > > Not sure why that worked, but all the Crinums I did it to sprouted within > three days. A few of the Brunsvigia did the same, others are still dormant. > This late in the year, I'd just let your C. macowanii remain dormant. It > will not be harmed by the extended dormancy (or so I've read). > > My Cyrtanthus sanguineus is preparing to bloom, in maybe a week. That's > about a month behind last year's schedule. > > Mike > Z6a, in the Finger Lakes area, where the last week has seen dark and gloomy > (and sometimes rainy) mornings followed by bright, sunny afternoons. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2019 06:20:24 +0000 > From: guy l'eplattenier > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Cc: ERIKA SCHROEDERSECKER > Subject: Re: [pbs] Crinum macowanii > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > About Crinum macowanii > Dear Erika, > Me too, I have been growing it in pots for many years in southern Catalunya. It blooms easily, 2 , 3 stems and give > lots of big seeds. > The only thing I do , it is to let it dry totally in winter outside in a dry spot and then to bring it back in a sunny place and water it till next winter! > Regards > Guy > > Obtenez Outlook pour iOS > ________________________________ > De : pbs de la part de ERIKA SCHROEDERSECKER via pbs > Envoy? : Monday, September 2, 2019 6:47:36 PM > ? : pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Cc : ERIKA SCHROEDERSECKER > Objet : Re: [pbs] Crinum macowanii > > Hello fellow bulbophiles, I?ve been growing Crinum macowanii for the last several years and every years it?s lush with two flowering stalks. It has not come out of dormancy this year which perplexes me. The bulb is very much alive. We had a cooler May and June but both July and August have been warm. Similarity my Brunsvigia grandiflora came out of dormancy only about 2 weeks ago while B. radulosa looks super. Does anyone have any explanation for this? I?m dumbfounded! Erika, Toronto, Ontario > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > > ------------------------------ > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 31, Issue 3 > ********************************** _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From wpoulsen@pacbell.net Wed, 04 Sep 2019 21:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <8ABB342D-7857-4729-8F02-BAEDDA68C392@pacbell.net> From: Lee Poulsen Subject: USDA seed interceptions increasing? Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2019 20:22:26 -0700 So I recently ordered sweet pea seeds from three sources in England and one in New Zealand. Their websites are fully automated and accept Visa, Mastercard, and Paypal. You never really interact with a person, unless they send you an email directly, after placing the order. I’ve ordered from these sources several times in past years and the seeds arrived with no problem. I never even had a chance to send them my seed import permit (“small lots of seeds” permit). So I assumed that there was little to no checking of small packets from first world countries. Then I also heard that a permit wasn’t needed for just a few (6? 10? 12?) packets from other countries. (Although I was never able to find this exemption on their website.) But in this most recent set of orders a month ago, the first two packages arrived from England no problem. But then I got the third one from England and the one from New Zealand, and both had been intercepted by the USDA and the seeds destroyed. So I re-ordered but sent messages to the vendors asking if I could send them a PDF of my permit so they could include it in the packages. They were happy to do so, but didn’t realize there was a problem. They had never had any of their packages sent to the U.S. intercepted before. One of them had also even heard about the “special allowance” for a few packets. Then they started emailing me that they were getting emails from a number of other American customers who had had their seed orders intercepted and destroyed the past couple of weeks. Virtually all of the recipients were completely befuddled as to what had happened (which is why they emailed the vendors). They had no idea that they actually needed to get a seed import permit (which is free) and have a copy of the permit included with the order. (There are a few more details to the proper way it should be done and many of you know about these, so I won’t get into it here.) So I wrote up a detailed set of instructions that the vendors could send to these customers on how to get the permit and how to use it. This all suddenly happened in the past month. So warning #1: For those of you in the U.S. ordering from overseas, it appears that the USDA agents have suddenly become vigilant in intercepting seed packages from international sources. (I don’t know why, but I have some suspicions.) You might want to insist on people/nurseries sending you seeds from other countries that they include a copy of your seed import permit with the seeds from now on. Today however, I have had several phone calls from the USDA inspection station at LAX because my permitted seed orders arrived. In their manual Plants for Planting , there is a huge list of species, from page 6-6 to 6-983, that lists all kinds of additional requirements or restrictions or even forbidding some from being imported. Usually, it only applies to live plants. But sometime it applies to seeds as well. (And sometimes it restricts the plants but specifically says that seeds are allowed in.) It turns out the manual says that all sweet pea and Lathyrus seeds have to be fumigated with methyl bromide before being sent to the U.S. unless they are from Mexico or Central America. The entry in the Plants for Planting Manual even references the specific kind of treatment it requires with an index number. This index number links to an entry in another manual you can download from their website called the Treatment Manual that describes in detail each particular kind of treatment (dosages, durations, etc.). So I reluctantly agreed with them that they had to destroy my second set of orders. But I really really wanted to get some of these varieties. So I contemplated all kinds of things including having them sent to a friend in Mexico or Central America, who could re-package them and send them to me from their country (although I suspected that somewhere else in one of their manuals they have some regulation forbidding that as well). So just for kicks, I decided to download the treatment manual to see if there might be any way I might get a vendor to somehow comply with the fumigation requirements. (It turns out that unless it’s a big (read: commercial) order, it’s ridiculously hard because not only does the treatment have to be correct, it has to be overseen or approved by one of our USDA agents but in their country!) However, as I was scrolling through the different treatments, I got lost and scrolled back up and found out that I was in a particular section devoted solely to all the various different kinds of treatments for *seeds*. And right there, right at the top of the section on seed treatments, before the first treatment type was listed was a blue box. And in that blue box was the following “NOTICE”: <> So I called the inspection station back right away, and even though at first they resisted, they finally looked it up themselves (in their own manual, remember), and agreed that it said what it said, and my seeds did not have to be fumigated, and they didn’t have to destroy them. It is true that they would never have known to look there for that Notice, and it is interesting that the Notice is not mentioned at all in their main manual, Plants for Planting, which is the document they always consult every time they are inspecting any imported plants or seeds. It was purely serendipitous on my part, but I’m glad it happened. And now the agents at the LAX inspection station know about it. The Notice is generic, so it applies to any seeds that require some kind of fumigation treatment in order to be allowed in. And they told me they’re sending my seeds on to me! So warning #2: If a species whose seeds you’re trying to import into the U.S. is listed in the USDA’s “Plants for Planting” manual as requiring fumigation in order to be allowed in, be sure to notify your inspection station about the Notice at the top of page 5-3-30 of the USDA’s “Treatment Manual”. They probably don’t know about it, and they’ll probably try to destroy your seeds unless they do know about it. Anyway, that was my unexpected adventure for today (and the past month). Maybe some of you will find this informative. --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From janjeddeloh@gmail.com Wed, 04 Sep 2019 21:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <295D6357-3273-439B-AFDD-7C617FD9CC70@gmail.com> From: janjeddeloh@gmail.com Subject: USDA seed interceptions increasing? Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2019 20:37:02 -0700 So were all the intercepted seeds lathyrus varieties? I’m concerned because I have a seed order out with a British source who doesn’t usually request or deal with a Small Lots of Seed permit. I actually have a permit but didn’t send it to him. I’m wondering now if I should contact him Jan Jeddeloh Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 4, 2019, at 8:22 PM, Lee Poulsen wrote: > > So I recently ordered sweet pea seeds from three sources in England and one in New Zealand. Their websites are fully automated and accept Visa, Mastercard, and Paypal. You never really interact with a person, unless they send you an email directly, after placing the order. I’ve ordered from these sources several times in past years and the seeds arrived with no problem. I never even had a chance to send them my seed import permit (“small lots of seeds” permit). So I assumed that there was little to no checking of small packets from first world countries. Then I also heard that a permit wasn’t needed for just a few (6? 10? 12?) packets from other countries. (Although I was never able to find this exemption on their website.) > > But in this most recent set of orders a month ago, the first two packages arrived from England no problem. But then I got the third one from England and the one from New Zealand, and both had been intercepted by the USDA and the seeds destroyed. So I re-ordered but sent messages to the vendors asking if I could send them a PDF of my permit so they could include it in the packages. They were happy to do so, but didn’t realize there was a problem. They had never had any of their packages sent to the U.S. intercepted before. One of them had also even heard about the “special allowance” for a few packets. Then they started emailing me that they were getting emails from a number of other American customers who had had their seed orders intercepted and destroyed the past couple of weeks. Virtually all of the recipients were completely befuddled as to what had happened (which is why they emailed the vendors). They had no idea that they actually needed to get a seed import permit (which is free) and have a copy of the permit included with the order. (There are a few more details to the proper way it should be done and many of you know about these, so I won’t get into it here.) So I wrote up a detailed set of instructions that the vendors could send to these customers on how to get the permit and how to use it. > > This all suddenly happened in the past month. > > So warning #1: For those of you in the U.S. ordering from overseas, it appears that the USDA agents have suddenly become vigilant in intercepting seed packages from international sources. (I don’t know why, but I have some suspicions.) You might want to insist on people/nurseries sending you seeds from other countries that they include a copy of your seed import permit with the seeds from now on. > > Today however, I have had several phone calls from the USDA inspection station at LAX because my permitted seed orders arrived. In their manual Plants for Planting , there is a huge list of species, from page 6-6 to 6-983, that lists all kinds of additional requirements or restrictions or even forbidding some from being imported. Usually, it only applies to live plants. But sometime it applies to seeds as well. (And sometimes it restricts the plants but specifically says that seeds are allowed in.) It turns out the manual says that all sweet pea and Lathyrus seeds have to be fumigated with methyl bromide before being sent to the U.S. unless they are from Mexico or Central America. The entry in the Plants for Planting Manual even references the specific kind of treatment it requires with an index number. This index number links to an entry in another manual you can download from their website called the Treatment Manual that describes in detail each particular kind of treatment (dosages, durations, etc.). So I reluctantly agreed with them that they had to destroy my second set of orders. > > But I really really wanted to get some of these varieties. So I contemplated all kinds of things including having them sent to a friend in Mexico or Central America, who could re-package them and send them to me from their country (although I suspected that somewhere else in one of their manuals they have some regulation forbidding that as well). So just for kicks, I decided to download the treatment manual to see if there might be any way I might get a vendor to somehow comply with the fumigation requirements. (It turns out that unless it’s a big (read: commercial) order, it’s ridiculously hard because not only does the treatment have to be correct, it has to be overseen or approved by one of our USDA agents but in their country!) However, as I was scrolling through the different treatments, I got lost and scrolled back up and found out that I was in a particular section devoted solely to all the various different kinds of treatments for *seeds*. And right there, right at the top of the section on seed treatments, before the first treatment type was listed was a blue box. And in that blue box was the following “NOTICE”: > > < Seeds for Propagation. Precautionary treatment for small lots of seeds (1 lb. or less) is *not* required if you can inspect 100 percent of the seeds and you do *not* find any pests.>> > > So I called the inspection station back right away, and even though at first they resisted, they finally looked it up themselves (in their own manual, remember), and agreed that it said what it said, and my seeds did not have to be fumigated, and they didn’t have to destroy them. It is true that they would never have known to look there for that Notice, and it is interesting that the Notice is not mentioned at all in their main manual, Plants for Planting, which is the document they always consult every time they are inspecting any imported plants or seeds. It was purely serendipitous on my part, but I’m glad it happened. And now the agents at the LAX inspection station know about it. The Notice is generic, so it applies to any seeds that require some kind of fumigation treatment in order to be allowed in. And they told me they’re sending my seeds on to me! > > So warning #2: If a species whose seeds you’re trying to import into the U.S. is listed in the USDA’s “Plants for Planting” manual as requiring fumigation in order to be allowed in, be sure to notify your inspection station about the Notice at the top of page 5-3-30 of the USDA’s “Treatment Manual”. They probably don’t know about it, and they’ll probably try to destroy your seeds unless they do know about it. > > Anyway, that was my unexpected adventure for today (and the past month). Maybe some of you will find this informative. > --Lee Poulsen > Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a > Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From s.gage100@hotmail.com Wed, 04 Sep 2019 21:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Shelley Gage Subject: USDA seed interceptions increasing? Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2019 04:07:23 +0000 I took 12 packets of different seeds commercially packaged from Tasmania of Tasmanian plants. On arrival at Los Angeles they were all confiscated. The company I bought them from regularly sends seed to US without any problem and I had a copy of their email saying so. The officer still took everything and was quite rude. He objected to me writing down his name as I was considering reporting his rudeness. This was in November last year. Shelley Gage Get Outlook for Android ________________________________ From: pbs on behalf of janjeddeloh@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2019 1:37:02 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed interceptions increasing? So were all the intercepted seeds lathyrus varieties? I’m concerned because I have a seed order out with a British source who doesn’t usually request or deal with a Small Lots of Seed permit. I actually have a permit but didn’t send it to him. I’m wondering now if I should contact him Jan Jeddeloh Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 4, 2019, at 8:22 PM, Lee Poulsen wrote: > > So I recently ordered sweet pea seeds from three sources in England and one in New Zealand. Their websites are fully automated and accept Visa, Mastercard, and Paypal. You never really interact with a person, unless they send you an email directly, after placing the order. I’ve ordered from these sources several times in past years and the seeds arrived with no problem. I never even had a chance to send them my seed import permit (“small lots of seeds” permit). So I assumed that there was little to no checking of small packets from first world countries. Then I also heard that a permit wasn’t needed for just a few (6? 10? 12?) packets from other countries. (Although I was never able to find this exemption on their website.) > > But in this most recent set of orders a month ago, the first two packages arrived from England no problem. But then I got the third one from England and the one from New Zealand, and both had been intercepted by the USDA and the seeds destroyed. So I re-ordered but sent messages to the vendors asking if I could send them a PDF of my permit so they could include it in the packages. They were happy to do so, but didn’t realize there was a problem. They had never had any of their packages sent to the U.S. intercepted before. One of them had also even heard about the “special allowance” for a few packets. Then they started emailing me that they were getting emails from a number of other American customers who had had their seed orders intercepted and destroyed the past couple of weeks. Virtually all of the recipients were completely befuddled as to what had happened (which is why they emailed the vendors). They had no idea that they actually needed to get a seed import permit (which is free) and have a copy of the permit included with the order. (There are a few more details to the proper way it should be done and many of you know about these, so I won’t get into it here.) So I wrote up a detailed set of instructions that the vendors could send to these customers on how to get the permit and how to use it. > > This all suddenly happened in the past month. > > So warning #1: For those of you in the U.S. ordering from overseas, it appears that the USDA agents have suddenly become vigilant in intercepting seed packages from international sources. (I don’t know why, but I have some suspicions.) You might want to insist on people/nurseries sending you seeds from other countries that they include a copy of your seed import permit with the seeds from now on. > > Today however, I have had several phone calls from the USDA inspection station at LAX because my permitted seed orders arrived. In their manual Plants for Planting , there is a huge list of species, from page 6-6 to 6-983, that lists all kinds of additional requirements or restrictions or even forbidding some from being imported. Usually, it only applies to live plants. But sometime it applies to seeds as well. (And sometimes it restricts the plants but specifically says that seeds are allowed in.) It turns out the manual says that all sweet pea and Lathyrus seeds have to be fumigated with methyl bromide before being sent to the U.S. unless they are from Mexico or Central America. The entry in the Plants for Planting Manual even references the specific kind of treatment it requires with an index number. This index number links to an entry in another manual you can download from their website called the Treatment Manual that describes in detail each particular kind of treatment (dosages, durations, etc.). So I reluctantly agreed with them that they had to destroy my second set of orders. > > But I really really wanted to get some of these varieties. So I contemplated all kinds of things including having them sent to a friend in Mexico or Central America, who could re-package them and send them to me from their country (although I suspected that somewhere else in one of their manuals they have some regulation forbidding that as well). So just for kicks, I decided to download the treatment manual to see if there might be any way I might get a vendor to somehow comply with the fumigation requirements. (It turns out that unless it’s a big (read: commercial) order, it’s ridiculously hard because not only does the treatment have to be correct, it has to be overseen or approved by one of our USDA agents but in their country!) However, as I was scrolling through the different treatments, I got lost and scrolled back up and found out that I was in a particular section devoted solely to all the various different kinds of treatments for *seeds*. And right there, right at the top of the section on seed treatments, before the first treatment type was listed was a blue box. And in that blue box was the following “NOTICE”: > > < Seeds for Propagation. Precautionary treatment for small lots of seeds (1 lb. or less) is *not* required if you can inspect 100 percent of the seeds and you do *not* find any pests.>> > > So I called the inspection station back right away, and even though at first they resisted, they finally looked it up themselves (in their own manual, remember), and agreed that it said what it said, and my seeds did not have to be fumigated, and they didn’t have to destroy them. It is true that they would never have known to look there for that Notice, and it is interesting that the Notice is not mentioned at all in their main manual, Plants for Planting, which is the document they always consult every time they are inspecting any imported plants or seeds. It was purely serendipitous on my part, but I’m glad it happened. And now the agents at the LAX inspection station know about it. The Notice is generic, so it applies to any seeds that require some kind of fumigation treatment in order to be allowed in. And they told me they’re sending my seeds on to me! > > So warning #2: If a species whose seeds you’re trying to import into the U.S. is listed in the USDA’s “Plants for Planting” manual as requiring fumigation in order to be allowed in, be sure to notify your inspection station about the Notice at the top of page 5-3-30 of the USDA’s “Treatment Manual”. They probably don’t know about it, and they’ll probably try to destroy your seeds unless they do know about it. > > Anyway, that was my unexpected adventure for today (and the past month). Maybe some of you will find this informative. > --Lee Poulsen > Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a > Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From makimoff76@gmail.com Wed, 04 Sep 2019 21:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: makimoff76@gmail.com Subject: USDA seed interceptions increasing? Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2019 21:10:30 -0700 This is a very interesting read, thank you for sending. I just ordered some seeds from Oron Peri and having had no real problems in ordering seeds internationally in the past I wonder if they will arrive unscathed by the treatment manuals that were probably written in the dark cubicles of bureaucratic enclaves of the 1950’s. Funny how plants don’t really see borders the same way as humans do, rather they are very perceptive of changing climates and droughts and floods and far more in tune with nature’s changing ways then a geopolitical line will ever be. Mark Akimoff Illahe Nursery and Gardens Salem, Oregon > On Sep 4, 2019, at 8:37 PM, janjeddeloh@gmail.com wrote: > > So were all the intercepted seeds lathyrus varieties? I’m concerned because I have a seed order out with a British source who doesn’t usually request or deal with a Small Lots of Seed permit. I actually have a permit but didn’t send it to him. I’m wondering now if I should contact him > > Jan Jeddeloh > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 4, 2019, at 8:22 PM, Lee Poulsen wrote: >> >> So I recently ordered sweet pea seeds from three sources in England and one in New Zealand. Their websites are fully automated and accept Visa, Mastercard, and Paypal. You never really interact with a person, unless they send you an email directly, after placing the order. I’ve ordered from these sources several times in past years and the seeds arrived with no problem. I never even had a chance to send them my seed import permit (“small lots of seeds” permit). So I assumed that there was little to no checking of small packets from first world countries. Then I also heard that a permit wasn’t needed for just a few (6? 10? 12?) packets from other countries. (Although I was never able to find this exemption on their website.) >> >> But in this most recent set of orders a month ago, the first two packages arrived from England no problem. But then I got the third one from England and the one from New Zealand, and both had been intercepted by the USDA and the seeds destroyed. So I re-ordered but sent messages to the vendors asking if I could send them a PDF of my permit so they could include it in the packages. They were happy to do so, but didn’t realize there was a problem. They had never had any of their packages sent to the U.S. intercepted before. One of them had also even heard about the “special allowance” for a few packets. Then they started emailing me that they were getting emails from a number of other American customers who had had their seed orders intercepted and destroyed the past couple of weeks. Virtually all of the recipients were completely befuddled as to what had happened (which is why they emailed the vendors). They had no idea that they actually needed to get a seed import permit (which is free) and have a copy of the permit included with the order. (There are a few more details to the proper way it should be done and many of you know about these, so I won’t get into it here.) So I wrote up a detailed set of instructions that the vendors could send to these customers on how to get the permit and how to use it. >> >> This all suddenly happened in the past month. >> >> So warning #1: For those of you in the U.S. ordering from overseas, it appears that the USDA agents have suddenly become vigilant in intercepting seed packages from international sources. (I don’t know why, but I have some suspicions.) You might want to insist on people/nurseries sending you seeds from other countries that they include a copy of your seed import permit with the seeds from now on. >> >> Today however, I have had several phone calls from the USDA inspection station at LAX because my permitted seed orders arrived. In their manual Plants for Planting , there is a huge list of species, from page 6-6 to 6-983, that lists all kinds of additional requirements or restrictions or even forbidding some from being imported. Usually, it only applies to live plants. But sometime it applies to seeds as well. (And sometimes it restricts the plants but specifically says that seeds are allowed in.) It turns out the manual says that all sweet pea and Lathyrus seeds have to be fumigated with methyl bromide before being sent to the U.S. unless they are from Mexico or Central America. The entry in the Plants for Planting Manual even references the specific kind of treatment it requires with an index number. This index number links to an entry in another manual you can download from their website called the Treatment Manual that describes in detail each particular kind of treatment (dosages, durations, etc.). So I reluctantly agreed with them that they had to destroy my second set of orders. >> >> But I really really wanted to get some of these varieties. So I contemplated all kinds of things including having them sent to a friend in Mexico or Central America, who could re-package them and send them to me from their country (although I suspected that somewhere else in one of their manuals they have some regulation forbidding that as well). So just for kicks, I decided to download the treatment manual to see if there might be any way I might get a vendor to somehow comply with the fumigation requirements. (It turns out that unless it’s a big (read: commercial) order, it’s ridiculously hard because not only does the treatment have to be correct, it has to be overseen or approved by one of our USDA agents but in their country!) However, as I was scrolling through the different treatments, I got lost and scrolled back up and found out that I was in a particular section devoted solely to all the various different kinds of treatments for *seeds*. And right there, right at the top of the section on seed treatments, before the first treatment type was listed was a blue box. And in that blue box was the following “NOTICE”: >> >> <> Seeds for Propagation. Precautionary treatment for small lots of seeds (1 lb. or less) is *not* required if you can inspect 100 percent of the seeds and you do *not* find any pests.>> >> >> So I called the inspection station back right away, and even though at first they resisted, they finally looked it up themselves (in their own manual, remember), and agreed that it said what it said, and my seeds did not have to be fumigated, and they didn’t have to destroy them. It is true that they would never have known to look there for that Notice, and it is interesting that the Notice is not mentioned at all in their main manual, Plants for Planting, which is the document they always consult every time they are inspecting any imported plants or seeds. It was purely serendipitous on my part, but I’m glad it happened. And now the agents at the LAX inspection station know about it. The Notice is generic, so it applies to any seeds that require some kind of fumigation treatment in order to be allowed in. And they told me they’re sending my seeds on to me! >> >> So warning #2: If a species whose seeds you’re trying to import into the U.S. is listed in the USDA’s “Plants for Planting” manual as requiring fumigation in order to be allowed in, be sure to notify your inspection station about the Notice at the top of page 5-3-30 of the USDA’s “Treatment Manual”. They probably don’t know about it, and they’ll probably try to destroy your seeds unless they do know about it. >> >> Anyway, that was my unexpected adventure for today (and the past month). Maybe some of you will find this informative. >> --Lee Poulsen >> Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a >> Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From mikerumm@gmail.com Wed, 04 Sep 2019 22:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Mike Rummerfield Subject: USDA seed interceptions increasing? Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2019 21:50:09 -0700 Thank you, Lee, for the informative and detailed post. I commend you on your detective work. I ordered Clivia seed from a vendor/hybridizer in South Africa (RSA) earlier this year. I've done this may times before, and even though it can take over a month to arrive, I've never had problems until this last order. I have a seed import license and sent a copy of it and the permit label to the vendor. So far the order has not arrived (sent out July 22, 2019), and I've received no communication from the USDA as of yet, although they did call once years ago for clarification about a shipment, which they sent on. I don't know whether this has to do with the apparent recent crackdown or not. An earlier order sent from a different vendor in RSA did arrive in good order. Sounds like the position at the USDA import department was switched to some new administrator with a feather in the wrong place. Still hoping the order arrives, Mike Washington state On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 8:22 PM Lee Poulsen wrote: > So I recently ordered sweet pea seeds from three sources in England and > one in New Zealand. Their websites are fully automated and accept Visa, > Mastercard, and Paypal. You never really interact with a person, unless > they send you an email directly, after placing the order. I’ve ordered from > these sources several times in past years and the seeds arrived with no > problem. I never even had a chance to send them my seed import permit > (“small lots of seeds” permit). So I assumed that there was little to no > checking of small packets from first world countries. Then I also heard > that a permit wasn’t needed for just a few (6? 10? 12?) packets from other > countries. (Although I was never able to find this exemption on their > website.) > > But in this most recent set of orders a month ago, the first two packages > arrived from England no problem. But then I got the third one from England > and the one from New Zealand, and both had been intercepted by the USDA and > the seeds destroyed. So I re-ordered but sent messages to the vendors > asking if I could send them a PDF of my permit so they could include it in > the packages. They were happy to do so, but didn’t realize there was a > problem. They had never had any of their packages sent to the U.S. > intercepted before. One of them had also even heard about the “special > allowance” for a few packets. Then they started emailing me that they were > getting emails from a number of other American customers who had had their > seed orders intercepted and destroyed the past couple of weeks. Virtually > all of the recipients were completely befuddled as to what had happened > (which is why they emailed the vendors). They had no idea that they > actually needed to get a seed import permit (which is free) and have a copy > of the permit included with the order. (There are a few more details to the > proper way it should be done and many of you know about these, so I won’t > get into it here.) So I wrote up a detailed set of instructions that the > vendors could send to these customers on how to get the permit and how to > use it. > > This all suddenly happened in the past month. > > So warning #1: For those of you in the U.S. ordering from overseas, it > appears that the USDA agents have suddenly become vigilant in intercepting > seed packages from international sources. (I don’t know why, but I have > some suspicions.) You might want to insist on people/nurseries sending you > seeds from other countries that they include a copy of your seed import > permit with the seeds from now on. < > https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/ourfocus/planthealth/import-information/permits/plants-and-plant-products-permits/plants-for-planting/ct_smalllots_seed > > > > Today however, I have had several phone calls from the USDA inspection > station at LAX because my permitted seed orders arrived. In their manual > Plants for Planting < > https://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/plants/manuals/ports/downloads/plants_for_planting.pdf>, > there is a huge list of species, from page 6-6 to 6-983, that lists all > kinds of additional requirements or restrictions or even forbidding some > from being imported. Usually, it only applies to live plants. But sometime > it applies to seeds as well. (And sometimes it restricts the plants but > specifically says that seeds are allowed in.) It turns out the manual says > that all sweet pea and Lathyrus seeds have to be fumigated with methyl > bromide before being sent to the U.S. unless they are from Mexico or > Central America. The entry in the Plants for Planting Manual even > references the specific kind of treatment it requires with an index number. > This index number links to an entry in another manual you can download from > their website called the Treatment Manual < > https://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/plants/manuals/ports/downloads/treatment.pdf> > that describes in detail each particular kind of treatment (dosages, > durations, etc.). So I reluctantly agreed with them that they had to > destroy my second set of orders. > > But I really really wanted to get some of these varieties. So I > contemplated all kinds of things including having them sent to a friend in > Mexico or Central America, who could re-package them and send them to me > from their country (although I suspected that somewhere else in one of > their manuals they have some regulation forbidding that as well). So just > for kicks, I decided to download the treatment manual to see if there might > be any way I might get a vendor to somehow comply with the fumigation > requirements. (It turns out that unless it’s a big (read: commercial) > order, it’s ridiculously hard because not only does the treatment have to > be correct, it has to be overseen or approved by one of our USDA agents but > in their country!) However, as I was scrolling through the different > treatments, I got lost and scrolled back up and found out that I was in a > particular section devoted solely to all the various different kinds of > treatments for *seeds*. And right there, right at the top of the section on > seed treatments, before the first treatment type was listed was a blue box. > And in that blue box was the following “NOTICE”: > > < Seeds for Propagation. Precautionary treatment for small lots of seeds (1 > lb. or less) is *not* required if you can inspect 100 percent of the seeds > and you do *not* find any pests.>> > > So I called the inspection station back right away, and even though at > first they resisted, they finally looked it up themselves (in their own > manual, remember), and agreed that it said what it said, and my seeds did > not have to be fumigated, and they didn’t have to destroy them. It is true > that they would never have known to look there for that Notice, and it is > interesting that the Notice is not mentioned at all in their main manual, > Plants for Planting, which is the document they always consult every time > they are inspecting any imported plants or seeds. It was purely > serendipitous on my part, but I’m glad it happened. And now the agents at > the LAX inspection station know about it. The Notice is generic, so it > applies to any seeds that require some kind of fumigation treatment in > order to be allowed in. And they told me they’re sending my seeds on to me! > > So warning #2: If a species whose seeds you’re trying to import into the > U.S. is listed in the USDA’s “Plants for Planting” manual as requiring > fumigation in order to be allowed in, be sure to notify your inspection > station about the Notice at the top of page 5-3-30 of the USDA’s “Treatment > Manual”. They probably don’t know about it, and they’ll probably try to > destroy your seeds unless they do know about it. > > Anyway, that was my unexpected adventure for today (and the past month). > Maybe some of you will find this informative. > --Lee Poulsen > Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a > Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From wpoulsen@pacbell.net Wed, 04 Sep 2019 22:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <11D8A0B6-61BE-4488-A9B3-B7A602CA9EF5@pacbell.net> From: Lee Poulsen Subject: USDA seed interceptions increasing? Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2019 22:08:11 -0700 Mine were all Lathyrus. But I don’t know about the others who had their seeds confiscated. I know that none of them knew about seed import permits or anything like that. The vendors were also all surprised. The New Zealand vendor also sells Clivia and Dahlia seeds so it’s possible the other victims had seeds of those confiscated as well. —Lee > On Sep 4, 2019, at 8:37 PM, janjeddeloh@gmail.com wrote: > > So were all the intercepted seeds lathyrus varieties? I’m concerned because I have a seed order out with a British source who doesn’t usually request or deal with a Small Lots of Seed permit. I actually have a permit but didn’t send it to him. I’m wondering now if I should contact him > > Jan Jeddeloh _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From wpoulsen@pacbell.net Wed, 04 Sep 2019 22:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <4AB5C671-104D-4C9D-9F8D-9B228214FECA@pacbell.net> From: Lee Poulsen Subject: USDA seed interceptions increasing? Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2019 22:10:45 -0700 As I mentioned, two of my original orders arrived unscathed. So there is hope. —Lee > On Sep 4, 2019, at 9:10 PM, makimoff76@gmail.com wrote: > > This is a very interesting read, thank you for sending. > > I just ordered some seeds from Oron Peri and having had no real problems in ordering seeds internationally in the past I wonder if they will arrive unscathed by the treatment manuals that were probably written in the dark cubicles of bureaucratic enclaves of the 1950’s. Funny how plants don’t really see borders the same way as humans do, rather they are very perceptive of changing climates and droughts and floods and far more in tune with nature’s changing ways then a geopolitical line will ever be. > > Mark Akimoff > > Illahe Nursery and Gardens > Salem, Oregon > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From joseph.andrew.gorman@gmail.com Thu, 05 Sep 2019 06:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Joe G Subject: USDA seed interceptions increasing? Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2019 08:26:02 -0400 I had a shipment of 50 packets of Cyclamen seeds from a seed exchange confiscated & destroyed this spring at the Newark, NJ port of entry, no reason given; all Cyclamen except cultivated C. persicum are CITES Appendix II, but Cyclamen fall under CITES exemption #11 which allow export of seed, and anyway I'd only had APHIS-prohibited species confiscated by the USDA before, not CITES-protected species. Some businesses, individuals and organizations are either pretty good at keeping you from accidentally or intentionally ordering prohibited seed/live bulbils (e.g. the Scottish Rock Garden Club's asterisks in their SeedEx catalog), sneaking prohibited plants in under a defunct name, or sending seeds as a "botanical sample" or "catalog sample" thus avoiding the inspection station even when I provided them permits! On Thu, Sep 5, 2019, 1:10 AM Lee Poulsen wrote: > As I mentioned, two of my original orders arrived unscathed. So there is > hope. > > —Lee > > > On Sep 4, 2019, at 9:10 PM, makimoff76@gmail.com wrote: > > > > This is a very interesting read, thank you for sending. > > > > I just ordered some seeds from Oron Peri and having had no real problems > in ordering seeds internationally in the past I wonder if they will arrive > unscathed by the treatment manuals that were probably written in the dark > cubicles of bureaucratic enclaves of the 1950’s. Funny how plants don’t > really see borders the same way as humans do, rather they are very > perceptive of changing climates and droughts and floods and far more in > tune with nature’s changing ways then a geopolitical line will ever be. > > > > Mark Akimoff > > > > Illahe Nursery and Gardens > > Salem, Oregon > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From joseph.andrew.gorman@gmail.com Thu, 05 Sep 2019 06:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Joe G Subject: USDA seed interceptions increasing? Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2019 08:32:29 -0400 That should read exemption #4; footnote 11 is about cultivated Cyclamen persicum. On Thu, Sep 5, 2019, 8:26 AM Joe G wrote: > I had a shipment of 50 packets of Cyclamen seeds from a seed exchange > confiscated & destroyed this spring at the Newark, NJ port of entry, no > reason given; all Cyclamen except cultivated C. persicum are CITES Appendix > II, but Cyclamen fall under CITES exemption #11 which allow export of seed, > and anyway I'd only had APHIS-prohibited species confiscated by the USDA > before, not CITES-protected species. > > Some businesses, individuals and organizations are either pretty good at > keeping you from accidentally or intentionally ordering prohibited > seed/live bulbils (e.g. the Scottish Rock Garden Club's asterisks in their > SeedEx catalog), sneaking prohibited plants in under a defunct name, or > sending seeds as a "botanical sample" or "catalog sample" thus avoiding the > inspection station even when I provided them permits! > > On Thu, Sep 5, 2019, 1:10 AM Lee Poulsen wrote: > >> As I mentioned, two of my original orders arrived unscathed. So there is >> hope. >> >> —Lee >> >> > On Sep 4, 2019, at 9:10 PM, makimoff76@gmail.com wrote: >> > >> > This is a very interesting read, thank you for sending. >> > >> > I just ordered some seeds from Oron Peri and having had no real >> problems in ordering seeds internationally in the past I wonder if they >> will arrive unscathed by the treatment manuals that were probably written >> in the dark cubicles of bureaucratic enclaves of the 1950’s. Funny how >> plants don’t really see borders the same way as humans do, rather they are >> very perceptive of changing climates and droughts and floods and far more >> in tune with nature’s changing ways then a geopolitical line will ever be. >> > >> > Mark Akimoff >> > >> > Illahe Nursery and Gardens >> > Salem, Oregon >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs >> > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From david@davidpilling.com Thu, 05 Sep 2019 07:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: David Pilling Subject: USDA seed interceptions increasing? Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2019 14:37:31 +0100 Hi, Maybe an increase due to robots having learnt to read custom declarations? -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From janemcgary@earthlink.net Thu, 05 Sep 2019 10:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Seeking Alani Davis Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2019 09:32:46 -0700 We have received a request to reproduce photos on the wiki credited to Alani Davis. I can't find contact information for him or her on the membership lists going back some years. If Alani is on this forum, or if someone has the contact information, please write to me directly. Thanks! Jane McGary, Membership Coordinator _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From rrodich@juno.com Thu, 05 Sep 2019 12:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Subject: USDA seed interceptions increasing? Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2019 13:36:30 -0500 Thank you, Lee! I am sure I am not the only one who realizes the time and effort it takes to compose such a relevant, clear and complete message like yours. Thank you so much! Rick Rodich near Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA ____________________________________________________________ Take 1 Cup In Morning, Watch Your Belly Fat Melt Like Crazy worldhealthlabs.com http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5d7155ee1ad8d55ed48e6st04duc _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From janemcgary@earthlink.net Thu, 05 Sep 2019 12:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: USDA seed interceptions increasing? Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2019 11:51:11 -0700 Lathyrus seeds have always been banned from import into the USA. Apparently these large seeds can carry a pest in some form which can attack culinary pea crops. Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA On 9/4/2019 10:08 PM, Lee Poulsen wrote: > Mine were all Lathyrus. But I don’t know about the others who had their seeds confiscated. I know that none of them knew about seed import permits or anything like that. The vendors were also all surprised. The New Zealand vendor also sells Clivia and Dahlia seeds so it’s possible the other victims had seeds of those confiscated as well. > > —Lee > >> On Sep 4, 2019, at 8:37 PM, janjeddeloh@gmail.com wrote: >> >> So were all the intercepted seeds lathyrus varieties? I’m concerned because I have a seed order out with a British source who doesn’t usually request or deal with a Small Lots of Seed permit. I actually have a permit but didn’t send it to him. I’m wondering now if I should contact him >> >> Jan Jeddeloh > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From ldiane.whitehead@gmail.com Thu, 05 Sep 2019 18:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Diane Whitehead Subject: getting Zantedeschia hybrids to flower Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2019 17:58:05 -0700 My daughter has bought a number of different coloured Zantedeschia hybrids in flower and planted them in her garden. They generally flower the next year, but don’t in succeeding years. What should she be doing to get flowers every year? Diane Whitehead Victoria, British Columbia, Canada _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 06 Sep 2019 05:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <2064481654.2132623.1567770953929@mail.yahoo.com> From: Gianinatio via pbs Subject: Seeking Alani Davis Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2019 11:55:53 +0000 (UTC) Alani can be found on Facebook.   On Thursday, September 5, 2019, 08:50:46 PM CDT, Jane McGary wrote: We have received a request to reproduce photos on the wiki credited to Alani Davis. I can't find contact information for him or her on the membership lists going back some years. If Alani is on this forum, or if someone has the contact information, please write to me directly. Thanks! Jane McGary, Membership Coordinator _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From scsnursery1@gmail.com Fri, 06 Sep 2019 09:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: SHOAL CREEK SUCCULENTS Subject: Albuca ID Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2019 09:41:25 -0500 Hi again- I have enough NOID bulbs to post every day for a decade. (just kidding, sort of.) Today's is suspected to be Albuca virens. This plant seems to self seed. On the PBS entry for A virens, 'keel' is mentioned. In one of the photos attached, I have circled my interpretation of keel, is this correct? The flower has no scent, the leaves are round with a channel all the way up the length of the leaf. The main bulb is 1.5 cm across. 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Name: albuca5.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 3561923 bytes Desc: not available URL: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From dr.mas.roberts@gmail.com Sat, 07 Sep 2019 15:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: M Robertson Subject: getting Zantedeschia hybrids to flower Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2019 14:46:24 -0700 Diane, In the nursery industry, Zantedeschia bulbs are typically treated with hormones during storage, (GA=Gibberillins and the cytokinin BA=benzyl adenine solutions also containing Tween-20, a non-ionic detergent). Low dose single exposure (30 min) to GA3 and every 2 weeks exposure to BA stimulates floral differentiation and development. The extent of the effect is dependent on the variety. When bulbs are dipped in GA3 alone, about 80% or more of primary buds but few secondary buds differentiate into flower spikes, and after exposure to both GA3 and BA, 80-100% of primary and 80-100% of secondary buds differentiate into flower spikes. Without hormone treatment few flower spikes are formed. It is an easy way to get Zantedeschia to reliably flower. Here is a paper available online that explains the strategy and mechanism. A single dip in GA3 guarantees flowers, but you’ll get even more flowers it you want to take the trouble to also dip in BA every 2 weeks during storage. In this study they dipped the bulbs in BA about 12 times, but perhaps with some experimentation, this number could be reduced and still get good flower development in secondary buds. The Effect of Gibberellin and Cytokinin on Floral Development in Zantedeschia spp. In Vivo and In Vitro V. Naor, J. Kigel, and M. Ziv, Ohalo College, Katsrin, Israel. Proc. IXth Intl. Symp. on Flower Bulbs Eds.: H. Okubo, W.B. Miller and G.A. Chastagner Acta Hort. 673, ISHS 2005 Best regards, Mark Robertson, PhD Everett, WA (USDA hardiness zone 8a, Sunset Climate zone 4) > On Sep 5, 2019, at 5:58 PM, Diane Whitehead wrote: > > My daughter has bought a number of different coloured Zantedeschia hybrids in flower and planted them in her garden. They generally flower the next year, but don’t in succeeding years. > > What should she be doing to get flowers every year? > > Diane Whitehead > Victoria, British Columbia, Canada > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From voltaire@islandnet.com Sat, 07 Sep 2019 16:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <275D736F-C774-4724-B9AB-0AA24D0A7798@islandnet.com> From: Diane Subject: getting Zantedeschia hybrids to flower Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2019 15:37:18 -0700 Thank you for the explanation, Mark. So, the bulbs would need to be dug up every year in order to be treated. I wonder if the parental species are some that require fires before they bloom in the wild. Diane _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From garak@code-garak.de Sat, 07 Sep 2019 21:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Garak Subject: getting Zantedeschia hybrids to flower Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 05:26:47 +0200 Hi Diane,  it COULD be just the storage alone - I dig up my Zantedeschias every winter and store them dry  in the basement - round about 9°C - and I've never had any trouble getting them to flower as long as they get adequate light in summer. I guess leaving them in the ground in BC in winter deprives them of the drought stress they get in winters in South-African summer rain climate. Maybe the GA3 s(t)imulates a natural process happening when the plant gets dry? Am 08.09.2019 um 00:37 schrieb Diane: > Thank you for the explanation, Mark. > > So, the bulbs would need to be dug up every year in order to be treated. I wonder if the parental species are some that require fires before they bloom in the wild. > > Diane > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs -- Martin ---------------------------------------------- Southern Germany Likely zone 7a _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From dr.mas.roberts@gmail.com Sat, 07 Sep 2019 22:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <64BF7FF1-6861-41F3-8DE2-39C77B9ACE5F@gmail.com> From: M Robertson Subject: getting Zantedeschia hybrids to flower Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2019 21:38:24 -0700 Diane, I was mistaken in my explanation of the BA treatment of Zantedeschia bulbs. In the research paper I cited, the bulbs were dipped 6 times during 3 months of storage. Sorry for the error. Mark Robertson Everett, WA USDA hardiness zone 8a, Sunset climate zone 4. > On Sep 7, 2019, at 8:26 PM, Garak wrote: > > Hi Diane, > > it COULD be just the storage alone - I dig up my Zantedeschias every winter and store them dry in the basement - round about 9°C - and I've never had any trouble getting them to flower as long as they get adequate light in summer. I guess leaving them in the ground in BC in winter deprives them of the drought stress they get in winters in South-African summer rain climate. Maybe the GA3 s(t)imulates a natural process happening when the plant gets dry? > > Am 08.09.2019 um 00:37 schrieb Diane: >> Thank you for the explanation, Mark. >> >> So, the bulbs would need to be dug up every year in order to be treated. I wonder if the parental species are some that require fires before they bloom in the wild. >> >> Diane >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > > -- > Martin > ---------------------------------------------- > Southern Germany > Likely zone 7a > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Mark Robertson, Ph.D. 916-342-5616 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From dr.mas.roberts@gmail.com Sat, 07 Sep 2019 22:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <79B817FB-E61E-4509-AD13-75DD158F6D88@gmail.com> From: M Robertson Subject: getting Zantedeschia hybrids to flower Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2019 21:52:32 -0700 Garak, Your observations and interpretation are very likely correct. My experience is only with the nursery production of Zantedeschia and garden cultivation in Mediterranean climates. Hormone treatment is perhaps most useful in the cut flower industry and potted bulbs where optimal flower production is desired. Mark Robertson USDA hardiness zone 8a, Sunset climate zone 4 > On Sep 7, 2019, at 8:26 PM, Garak wrote: > > Hi Diane, > > it COULD be just the storage alone - I dig up my Zantedeschias every winter and store them dry in the basement - round about 9°C - and I've never had any trouble getting them to flower as long as they get adequate light in summer. I guess leaving them in the ground in BC in winter deprives them of the drought stress they get in winters in South-African summer rain climate. Maybe the GA3 s(t)imulates a natural process happening when the plant gets dry? > > Am 08.09.2019 um 00:37 schrieb Diane: >> Thank you for the explanation, Mark. >> >> So, the bulbs would need to be dug up every year in order to be treated. I wonder if the parental species are some that require fires before they bloom in the wild. >> >> Diane >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > > -- > Martin > ---------------------------------------------- > Southern Germany > Likely zone 7a > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From david@davidpilling.com Sun, 08 Sep 2019 07:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <164bc1e4-b586-1580-11b7-ab01de80df86@davidpilling.com> From: David Pilling Subject: getting Zantedeschia hybrids to flower Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 15:03:13 +0100 Hi, Peace lily is a common indoor plant which flowers when bought and then never again. It is said that treatment with GA3 makes them flower. GA3 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibberellic_acid) is commonly available, used to make some seeds germinate. Also applied in the production of grapes. Maybe you could wash your grapes over the Zantedeschia. -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Mon, 09 Sep 2019 10:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: oooOIOooo via pbs Subject: Peace lily Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2019 16:23:26 +0000 David mentioned peace lily bought in flower doesn't seem to flower again once brought home. If you mean the aroid Spathiphyllum, they seem to flower in the US regularly once the clump is large enough. Maybe they are gibberilicated for precocious blooming, then it will be a while before they're large enough tp reflower. Leo Martin. Pboenix AZ USA Sent from ProtonMail mobile -------- Original Message -------- On Sep 9, 2019, 05:00, wrote: > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > List-Post: List-Archive: Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: getting Zantedeschia hybrids to flower (David Pilling) > Hi, > > Peace lily is a common indoor plant which flowers when bought and then > never again. It is said that treatment with GA3 makes them flower. > > GA3 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibberellic_acid) is commonly > available, used to make some seeds germinate. Also applied in the > production of grapes. Maybe you could wash your grapes over the > Zantedeschia. > > -- > David Pilling > www.davidpilling.com > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Tue, 10 Sep 2019 11:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1947760133.5129261.1568138915432@mail.yahoo.com> From: Rick Buell via pbs Subject: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 18:08:35 +0000 (UTC) May I pquote this info on other gardening sites I'm on?Thanks!Rick Buell  From: Lee Poulsen To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2019, 7:40:41 AM EDTSubject: [pbs] USDA seed interceptions increasing? So I recently ordered sweet pea seeds from three sources in England and one in New Zealand. Their websites are fully automated and accept Visa, Mastercard, and Paypal. You never really interact with a person, unless they send you an email directly, after placing the order. I’ve ordered from these sources several times in past years and the seeds arrived with no problem. I never even had a chance to send them my seed import permit (“small lots of seeds” permit). So I assumed that there was little to no checking of small packets from first world countries. Then I also heard that a permit wasn’t needed for just a few (6? 10? 12?) packets from other countries. (Although I was never able to find this exemption on their website.) But in this most recent set of orders a month ago, the first two packages arrived from England no problem. But then I got the third one from England and the one from New Zealand, and both had been intercepted by the USDA and the seeds destroyed. So I re-ordered but sent messages to the vendors asking if I could send them a PDF of my permit so they could include it in the packages. They were happy to do so, but didn’t realize there was a problem. They had never had any of their packages sent to the U.S. intercepted before. One of them had also even heard about the “special allowance” for a few packets. Then they started emailing me that they were getting emails from a number of other American customers who had had their seed orders intercepted and destroyed the past couple of weeks. Virtually all of the recipients were completely befuddled as to what had happened (which is why they emailed the vendors). They had no idea that they actually needed to get a seed import permit (which is free) and have a copy of the permit included with the order. (There are a few more details to the proper way it should be done and many of you know about these, so I won’t get into it here.) So I wrote up a detailed set of instructions that the vendors could send to these customers on how to get the permit and how to use it. This all suddenly happened in the past month. So warning #1: For those of you in the U.S. ordering from overseas, it appears that the USDA agents have suddenly become vigilant in intercepting seed packages from international sources. (I don’t know why, but I have some suspicions.) You might want to insist on people/nurseries sending you seeds from other countries that they include a copy of your seed import permit with the seeds from now on. Today however, I have had several phone calls from the USDA inspection station at LAX because my permitted seed orders arrived. In their manual Plants for Planting , there is a huge list of species, from page 6-6 to 6-983, that lists all kinds of additional requirements or restrictions or even forbidding some from being imported. Usually, it only applies to live plants. But sometime it applies to seeds as well. (And sometimes it restricts the plants but specifically says that seeds are allowed in.) It turns out the manual says that all sweet pea and Lathyrus seeds have to be fumigated with methyl bromide before being sent to the U.S. unless they are from Mexico or Central America. The entry in the Plants for Planting Manual even references the specific kind of treatment it requires with an index number. This index number links to an entry in another manual you can download from their website called the Treatment Manual that describes in detail each particular kind of treatment (dosages, durations, etc.). So I reluctantly agreed with them that they had to destroy my second set of orders. But I really really wanted to get some of these varieties. So I contemplated all kinds of things including having them sent to a friend in Mexico or Central America, who could re-package them and send them to me from their country (although I suspected that somewhere else in one of their manuals they have some regulation forbidding that as well). So just for kicks, I decided to download the treatment manual to see if there might be any way I might get a vendor to somehow comply with the fumigation requirements. (It turns out that unless it’s a big (read: commercial) order, it’s ridiculously hard because not only does the treatment have to be correct, it has to be overseen or approved by one of our USDA agents but in their country!) However, as I was scrolling through the different treatments, I got lost and scrolled back up and found out that I was in a particular section devoted solely to all the various different kinds of treatments for *seeds*. And right there, right at the top of the section on seed treatments, before the first treatment type was listed was a blue box. And in that blue box was the following “NOTICE”: <> So I called the inspection station back right away, and even though at first they resisted, they finally looked it up themselves (in their own manual, remember), and agreed that it said what it said, and my seeds did not have to be fumigated, and they didn’t have to destroy them. It is true that they would never have known to look there for that Notice, and it is interesting that the Notice is not mentioned at all in their main manual, Plants for Planting, which is the document they always consult every time they are inspecting any imported plants or seeds. It was purely serendipitous on my part, but I’m glad it happened. And now the agents at the LAX inspection station know about it. The Notice is generic, so it applies to any seeds that require some kind of fumigation treatment in order to be allowed in. And they told me they’re sending my seeds on to me! So warning #2: If a species whose seeds you’re trying to import into the U.S. is listed in the USDA’s “Plants for Planting” manual as requiring fumigation in order to be allowed in, be sure to notify your inspection station about the Notice at the top of page 5-3-30 of the USDA’s “Treatment Manual”. They probably don’t know about it, and they’ll probably try to destroy your seeds unless they do know about it. Anyway, that was my unexpected adventure for today (and the past month). Maybe some of you will find this informative. --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From wpoulsen@pacbell.net Wed, 11 Sep 2019 15:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <9E9E1F96-D31D-4C71-91D8-35B1E031ABD5@pacbell.net> From: Lee Poulsen Subject: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 15:01:10 -0700 Sure, go right ahead. I don’t know if this is happening to others. —Lee > On Sep 10, 2019, at 11:08 AM, Rick Buell via pbs wrote: > > May I quote this info on other gardening sites I'm on? Thanks! Rick Buell _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From penstemon@q.com Wed, 11 Sep 2019 16:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <06.69.09645.2AC797D5@smtp03.onyx.dfw.sync.lan> From: penstemon Subject: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:00:51 -0600 >Sure, go right ahead. I don’t know if this is happening to others. This may all become moot if the U.S. withdraws from the Universal Post Union next month. Bob Nold _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From wpoulsen@pacbell.net Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Lee Poulsen Subject: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:01:57 -0700 Bob Nold, did you really have to make us aware of this possibility? 🙂 I literally had no idea this was a thing. When I read your sentence, I thought it was a joke. The UPU is old; it’s been around forever. (Just read that it is the second oldest international organization.) Literally *everyone* belongs to it (or is associated with a member nation that does belong—these nonmembers are typically very small or there is some political issue with their status, and there are very few of them). This organization has allowed for the smooth operation of international mail since 1874. I cannot believe this is happening. --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m > On Sep 11, 2019, at 4:00 PM, penstemon wrote: > > >> Sure, go right ahead. I don’t know if this is happening to others. > > This may all become moot if the U.S. withdraws from the Universal Post Union next month. > > > Bob Nold > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From randysgarden@gmail.com Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Randall P. Linke" Subject: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:15:38 -0700 I was surprised as well. Apparently the meeting is in two weeks in Geneva and if Trump doesn't get his way the US will withdraw in mid October. On Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 5:02 PM Lee Poulsen wrote: > Bob Nold, did you really have to make us aware of this possibility? 🙂 I > literally had no idea this was a thing. When I read your sentence, I > thought it was a joke. The UPU is old; it’s been around forever. (Just read > that it is the second oldest international organization.) Literally > *everyone* belongs to it (or is associated with a member nation that does > belong—these nonmembers are typically very small or there is some political > issue with their status, and there are very few of them). > > This organization has allowed for the smooth operation of international > mail since 1874. I cannot believe this is happening. > > --Lee Poulsen > Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a > Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m > > > On Sep 11, 2019, at 4:00 PM, penstemon wrote: > > > > > >> Sure, go right ahead. I don’t know if this is happening to others. > > > > This may all become moot if the U.S. withdraws from the Universal Post > Union next month. > > > > > > Bob Nold > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From david@davidpilling.com Wed, 11 Sep 2019 18:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: David Pilling Subject: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 01:26:28 +0100 Hi, On 12/09/2019 01:15, Randall P. Linke wrote: > I was surprised as well. Apparently the meeting is in two weeks in Geneva > and if Trump doesn't get his way the US will withdraw in mid October. Last chance to go on ebay and buy items direct from China at low prices. -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From penstemon@q.com Wed, 11 Sep 2019 18:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: penstemon Subject: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 18:56:06 -0600 Bob Nold, did you really have to make us aware of this possibility? 🙂 I literally had no idea this was a thing. When I read your sentence, I thought it was a joke. The UPU is old; it’s been around forever. If I knew, and people who never received seeds or bulbs from overseas learned that I knew and never said anything, I’d be in trouble. So consider this a public service message. https://ipma.org/update-on-the-status-of-upu-discussions-april-15-2019-by-merry-law/ Bob _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From dr.mas.roberts@gmail.com Wed, 11 Sep 2019 19:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <17117570-124C-4F78-A0B2-03AAEE2C1BA5@gmail.com> From: M Robertson Subject: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 18:29:16 -0700 The Trump Administration is requesting an equal postal rate structure between American companies shipping within the US and Chinese companies shipping to the US. "White House officials have announced that the Trump Administration will act in accordance with a US State Department recommendation to withdraw from the Universal Postal Union , an UN-backed organization founded in 1874 that has governed global postal rates since 1969. This action was recommended to President Trump on the grounds that the UPU currently allows China, among others, to ship products into the US for less than the rate American companies must pay when sending products domestically. In a statement released by the White House , it is said that the US plans to exit the union no later than January 1, 2020, in accordance with the withdrawal process outlined in the UPU Constitution. If renegotiations between the US and the UPU of terminal dues are unsuccessful by this date, the US Government will establish rates of its own, and formally disregard those imposed by the UPU. “ https://www.thatsmags.com/china/post/26105/us-threatens-withdrawal-from-universal-postal-union Mark On Sep 11, 2019, at 5:26 PM, David Pilling wrote: > > Hi, > > On 12/09/2019 01:15, Randall P. Linke wrote: >> I was surprised as well. Apparently the meeting is in two weeks in Geneva >> and if Trump doesn't get his way the US will withdraw in mid October. > > Last chance to go on ebay and buy items direct from China at low prices. > > > -- > David Pilling > www.davidpilling.com > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Mark Robertson, Ph.D. Pacific Northwest USDA hardiness zone 8a; Sunset climate zone 4 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From wpoulsen@pacbell.net Wed, 11 Sep 2019 22:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Lee Poulsen Subject: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 21:48:36 -0700 Sorry, Bob. That was meant as a thank you for informing us. Sorry I sounded annoyed; I am. I try to keep on top of all the crazy news that is happening, but this one somehow slipped by me. I was left a little speechless when I googled and read up on it. I collected postage stamps as a kid and they still have a special place in my heart even though I don’t actively collect them these days. I was always proud of the fact that the UPU was one of those rare international treaties/organizations that worked throughout the world and was uniformly approved of for the task it took care of, and that we could send letters and postcards (and seeds!) to and from friends all over the world without any postal problems at all. (Another one is the ICAO which is what makes it such that we can all fly around the world to see each other and each other’s countries and bulbous flowers without a hitch and using common standards everywhere airplanes fly. Also another organization that every country in the world belongs to.) No one knows for certain how the U.S. will send and receive mail from other countries if they go through with this. The U.S. has been in the UPU since its inception and in fact the U.S. was the main instigator of setting it up way back when. I read almost as many predictions about what will happen as the number of articles I read—everything from nothing will change at all to the whole international system will fall apart since apparently the U.S. is the major backbone of the current system, and it will become much more expensive to mail things (like seeds!) around the world especially for Americans. So far I haven’t seen anyone suggest it will go back to the pre-UPU method where you had to put the local postage on the envelope for each country the letter would pass through on its route from origin to destination. Along with using my seed import permit consistently, I guess I should place all orders for seeds from abroad before January 1st that I intend to get for the next 1.5 or 5.5 years. ;-) Thanks for the warning, Bob. --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m > On Sep 11, 2019, at 5:56 PM, penstemon wrote: > > Bob Nold, did you really have to make us aware of this possibility? 🙂 I literally had no idea this was a thing. When I read your sentence, I thought it was a joke. The UPU is old; it’s been around forever. > > If I knew, and people who never received seeds or bulbs from overseas learned that I knew and never said anything, I’d be in trouble. > So consider this a public service message. > > https://ipma.org/update-on-the-status-of-upu-discussions-april-15-2019-by-merry-law/ > > > Bob > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From gnsanfrancisco@hotmail.com Thu, 12 Sep 2019 09:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: George Nauyok Subject: Universal Postal Union withdrawal Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 15:17:42 +0000 For all those who voted for Trump, I hope you're proud of that action. Yet ANOTHER outrage of this administration. george ________________________________ From: pbs on behalf of pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 5:00 AM To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 31, Issue 13 Send pbs mailing list submissions to pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.pacificbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170058688&sdata=jisWtySr790lVERbwtlHT3LF88i%2BQREl%2FIY7%2FjcHKnI%3D&reserved=0 or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net You can reach the person managing the list at pbs-owner@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." List-Post: To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? Message-ID: <9E9E1F96-D31D-4C71-91D8-35B1E031ABD5@pacbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Sure, go right ahead. I don?t know if this is happening to others. ?Lee > On Sep 10, 2019, at 11:08 AM, Rick Buell via pbs wrote: > > May I quote this info on other gardening sites I'm on? Thanks! Rick Buell ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:00:51 -0600 From: penstemon To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? Message-ID: <06.69.09645.2AC797D5@smtp03.onyx.dfw.sync.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >Sure, go right ahead. I don?t know if this is happening to others. This may all become moot if the U.S. withdraws from the Universal Post Union next month. Bob Nold ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:01:57 -0700 From: Lee Poulsen To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Bob Nold, did you really have to make us aware of this possibility? ? I literally had no idea this was a thing. When I read your sentence, I thought it was a joke. The UPU is old; it?s been around forever. (Just read that it is the second oldest international organization.) Literally *everyone* belongs to it (or is associated with a member nation that does belong?these nonmembers are typically very small or there is some political issue with their status, and there are very few of them). This organization has allowed for the smooth operation of international mail since 1874. I cannot believe this is happening. --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34?N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m > On Sep 11, 2019, at 4:00 PM, penstemon wrote: > > >> Sure, go right ahead. I don?t know if this is happening to others. > > This may all become moot if the U.S. withdraws from the Universal Post Union next month. > > > Bob Nold > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:15:38 -0700 From: "Randall P. Linke" To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I was surprised as well. Apparently the meeting is in two weeks in Geneva and if Trump doesn't get his way the US will withdraw in mid October. On Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 5:02 PM Lee Poulsen wrote: > Bob Nold, did you really have to make us aware of this possibility? ? I > literally had no idea this was a thing. When I read your sentence, I > thought it was a joke. The UPU is old; it?s been around forever. (Just read > that it is the second oldest international organization.) Literally > *everyone* belongs to it (or is associated with a member nation that does > belong?these nonmembers are typically very small or there is some political > issue with their status, and there are very few of them). > > This organization has allowed for the smooth operation of international > mail since 1874. I cannot believe this is happening. > > --Lee Poulsen > Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a > Latitude 34?N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m > > > On Sep 11, 2019, at 4:00 PM, penstemon wrote: > > > > > >> Sure, go right ahead. I don?t know if this is happening to others. > > > > This may all become moot if the U.S. withdraws from the Universal Post > Union next month. > > > > > > Bob Nold > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.pacificbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170058688&sdata=jisWtySr790lVERbwtlHT3LF88i%2BQREl%2FIY7%2FjcHKnI%3D&reserved=0 > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 01:26:28 +0100 From: David Pilling To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Hi, On 12/09/2019 01:15, Randall P. Linke wrote: > I was surprised as well. Apparently the meeting is in two weeks in Geneva > and if Trump doesn't get his way the US will withdraw in mid October. Last chance to go on ebay and buy items direct from China at low prices. -- David Pilling https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.davidpilling.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170068699&sdata=Dl39IDVj7Nx243T8Yri9biFBbGn883%2FXC905wd7D7xg%3D&reserved=0 ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 18:56:06 -0600 From: penstemon To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Bob Nold, did you really have to make us aware of this possibility? ? I literally had no idea this was a thing. When I read your sentence, I thought it was a joke. The UPU is old; it?s been around forever. If I knew, and people who never received seeds or bulbs from overseas learned that I knew and never said anything, I?d be in trouble. So consider this a public service message. https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fipma.org%2Fupdate-on-the-status-of-upu-discussions-april-15-2019-by-merry-law%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170068699&sdata=y%2FUx0Bf6qmLU6x%2FrC79T9LK7W1C9WkjWRWQDj8rR%2Bpc%3D&reserved=0 Bob ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 18:29:16 -0700 From: M Robertson To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? Message-ID: <17117570-124C-4F78-A0B2-03AAEE2C1BA5@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 The Trump Administration is requesting an equal postal rate structure between American companies shipping within the US and Chinese companies shipping to the US. "White House officials have announced that the Trump Administration will act in accordance with a US State Department recommendation to withdraw from the Universal Postal Union , an UN-backed organization founded in 1874 that has governed global postal rates since 1969. This action was recommended to President Trump on the grounds that the UPU currently allows China, among others, to ship products into the US for less than the rate American companies must pay when sending products domestically. In a statement released by the White House , it is said that the US plans to exit the union no later than January 1, 2020, in accordance with the withdrawal process outlined in the UPU Constitution. If renegotiations between the US and the UPU of terminal dues are unsuccessful by this date, the US Government will establish rates of its own, and formally disregard those imposed by the UPU. ? https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thatsmags.com%2Fchina%2Fpost%2F26105%2Fus-threatens-withdrawal-from-universal-postal-union&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170068699&sdata=co2S0iHmkFM4%2BcBf%2Bxu24Ycn8I33KFAxYuEAiQIFR%2B8%3D&reserved=0 Mark On Sep 11, 2019, at 5:26 PM, David Pilling wrote: > > Hi, > > On 12/09/2019 01:15, Randall P. Linke wrote: >> I was surprised as well. Apparently the meeting is in two weeks in Geneva >> and if Trump doesn't get his way the US will withdraw in mid October. > > Last chance to go on ebay and buy items direct from China at low prices. > > > -- > David Pilling > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.davidpilling.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170068699&sdata=Dl39IDVj7Nx243T8Yri9biFBbGn883%2FXC905wd7D7xg%3D&reserved=0 > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.pacificbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170068699&sdata=%2BwJU3DcOW5PJI%2FjOGR12nz45HTsXklEyZBZVS%2B6R%2FSE%3D&reserved=0 Mark Robertson, Ph.D. Pacific Northwest USDA hardiness zone 8a; Sunset climate zone 4 ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 21:48:36 -0700 From: Lee Poulsen To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Sorry, Bob. That was meant as a thank you for informing us. Sorry I sounded annoyed; I am. I try to keep on top of all the crazy news that is happening, but this one somehow slipped by me. I was left a little speechless when I googled and read up on it. I collected postage stamps as a kid and they still have a special place in my heart even though I don?t actively collect them these days. I was always proud of the fact that the UPU was one of those rare international treaties/organizations that worked throughout the world and was uniformly approved of for the task it took care of, and that we could send letters and postcards (and seeds!) to and from friends all over the world without any postal problems at all. (Another one is the ICAO which is what makes it such that we can all fly around the world to see each other and each other?s countries and bulbous flowers without a hitch and using common standards everywhere airplanes fly. Also another organization that every country in the w orld belongs to.) No one knows for certain how the U.S. will send and receive mail from other countries if they go through with this. The U.S. has been in the UPU since its inception and in fact the U.S. was the main instigator of setting it up way back when. I read almost as many predictions about what will happen as the number of articles I read?everything from nothing will change at all to the whole international system will fall apart since apparently the U.S. is the major backbone of the current system, and it will become much more expensive to mail things (like seeds!) around the world especially for Americans. So far I haven?t seen anyone suggest it will go back to the pre-UPU method where you had to put the local postage on the envelope for each country the letter would pass through on its route from origin to destination. Along with using my seed import permit consistently, I guess I should place all orders for seeds from abroad before January 1st that I intend to get for the next 1.5 or 5.5 years. ;-) Thanks for the warning, Bob. --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34?N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m > On Sep 11, 2019, at 5:56 PM, penstemon wrote: > > Bob Nold, did you really have to make us aware of this possibility? ? I literally had no idea this was a thing. When I read your sentence, I thought it was a joke. The UPU is old; it?s been around forever. > > If I knew, and people who never received seeds or bulbs from overseas learned that I knew and never said anything, I?d be in trouble. > So consider this a public service message. > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fipma.org%2Fupdate-on-the-status-of-upu-discussions-april-15-2019-by-merry-law%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170078704&sdata=6sKViRt2bp9X7kMzBpwrnfEyUHOtQ8RZsEfc0sMtJfs%3D&reserved=0 > > > Bob > ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.pacificbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170078704&sdata=6nNbeqGYnKsacKfeDiDY5GJ38%2BT7EFuL75zPZXn8aIg%3D&reserved=0 ------------------------------ End of pbs Digest, Vol 31, Issue 13 *********************************** _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From cynthiasbulbs@hotmail.com Thu, 12 Sep 2019 11:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Cynthia Mueller Subject: Universal Postal Union withdrawal Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 17:30:55 +0000 Let’s not discuss sex, religion or POLITICS in the Pacific Bulb Society online communications. Cynthia W Mueller > On Sep 12, 2019, at 10:17 AM, George Nauyok wrote: > > For all those who voted for Trump, I hope you're proud of that action. Yet ANOTHER outrage of this administration. > george > ________________________________ > From: pbs on behalf of pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 5:00 AM > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 31, Issue 13 > > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.pacificbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170058688&sdata=jisWtySr790lVERbwtlHT3LF88i%2BQREl%2FIY7%2FjcHKnI%3D&reserved=0 > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post: List-Archive: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (Lee Poulsen) > 2. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (penstemon) > 3. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (Lee Poulsen) > 4. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > (Randall P. Linke) > 5. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > (David Pilling) > 6. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (penstemon) > 7. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (M Robertson) > 8. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (Lee Poulsen) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 15:01:10 -0700 > From: Lee Poulsen > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: <9E9E1F96-D31D-4C71-91D8-35B1E031ABD5@pacbell.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Sure, go right ahead. I don?t know if this is happening to others. > > ?Lee > >> On Sep 10, 2019, at 11:08 AM, Rick Buell via pbs wrote: >> >> May I quote this info on other gardening sites I'm on? Thanks! Rick Buell > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:00:51 -0600 > From: penstemon > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: <06.69.09645.2AC797D5@smtp03.onyx.dfw.sync.lan> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > >> Sure, go right ahead. I don?t know if this is happening to others. > > This may all become moot if the U.S. withdraws from the Universal Post Union next month. > > > Bob Nold > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:01:57 -0700 > From: Lee Poulsen > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Bob Nold, did you really have to make us aware of this possibility? ? I literally had no idea this was a thing. When I read your sentence, I thought it was a joke. The UPU is old; it?s been around forever. (Just read that it is the second oldest international organization.) Literally *everyone* belongs to it (or is associated with a member nation that does belong?these nonmembers are typically very small or there is some political issue with their status, and there are very few of them). > > This organization has allowed for the smooth operation of international mail since 1874. I cannot believe this is happening. > > --Lee Poulsen > Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a > Latitude 34?N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m > >> On Sep 11, 2019, at 4:00 PM, penstemon wrote: >> >> >>> Sure, go right ahead. I don?t know if this is happening to others. >> >> This may all become moot if the U.S. withdraws from the Universal Post Union next month. >> >> >> Bob Nold >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:15:38 -0700 > From: "Randall P. Linke" > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I was surprised as well. Apparently the meeting is in two weeks in Geneva > and if Trump doesn't get his way the US will withdraw in mid October. > >> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 5:02 PM Lee Poulsen wrote: >> >> Bob Nold, did you really have to make us aware of this possibility? ? I >> literally had no idea this was a thing. When I read your sentence, I >> thought it was a joke. The UPU is old; it?s been around forever. (Just read >> that it is the second oldest international organization.) Literally >> *everyone* belongs to it (or is associated with a member nation that does >> belong?these nonmembers are typically very small or there is some political >> issue with their status, and there are very few of them). >> >> This organization has allowed for the smooth operation of international >> mail since 1874. I cannot believe this is happening. >> >> --Lee Poulsen >> Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a >> Latitude 34?N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m >> >>> On Sep 11, 2019, at 4:00 PM, penstemon wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Sure, go right ahead. I don?t know if this is happening to others. >>> >>> This may all become moot if the U.S. withdraws from the Universal Post >> Union next month. >>> >>> >>> Bob Nold >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.pacificbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170058688&sdata=jisWtySr790lVERbwtlHT3LF88i%2BQREl%2FIY7%2FjcHKnI%3D&reserved=0 >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 01:26:28 +0100 > From: David Pilling > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Hi, > >> On 12/09/2019 01:15, Randall P. Linke wrote: >> I was surprised as well. Apparently the meeting is in two weeks in Geneva >> and if Trump doesn't get his way the US will withdraw in mid October. > > Last chance to go on ebay and buy items direct from China at low prices. > > > -- > David Pilling > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.davidpilling.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170068699&sdata=Dl39IDVj7Nx243T8Yri9biFBbGn883%2FXC905wd7D7xg%3D&reserved=0 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 18:56:06 -0600 > From: penstemon > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Bob Nold, did you really have to make us aware of this possibility? ? I literally had no idea this was a thing. When I read your sentence, I thought it was a joke. The UPU is old; it?s been around forever. > > If I knew, and people who never received seeds or bulbs from overseas learned that I knew and never said anything, I?d be in trouble. > So consider this a public service message. > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fipma.org%2Fupdate-on-the-status-of-upu-discussions-april-15-2019-by-merry-law%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170068699&sdata=y%2FUx0Bf6qmLU6x%2FrC79T9LK7W1C9WkjWRWQDj8rR%2Bpc%3D&reserved=0 > > > Bob > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 18:29:16 -0700 > From: M Robertson > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: <17117570-124C-4F78-A0B2-03AAEE2C1BA5@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > The Trump Administration is requesting an equal postal rate structure between American companies shipping within the US and Chinese companies shipping to the US. > "White House officials have announced that the Trump Administration will act in accordance with a US State Department recommendation to withdraw from the Universal Postal Union , an UN-backed organization founded in 1874 that has governed global postal rates since 1969. This action was recommended to President Trump on the grounds that the UPU currently allows China, among others, to ship products into the US for less than the rate American companies must pay when sending products domestically. In a statement released by the White House briefings-statements%2Fstatement-press-secretary-38%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170068699&sdata=wwU%2B0KZuryCzFBhpYSePrzxfl%2FwzeY4%2F4%2FLHpfbe1ys%3D&reserved=0>, it is said that the US plans to exit the union no later than January 1, 2020, in accordance with the withdrawal process outlined in the UPU Constitution. If renegotiations between the US and the UPU of terminal dues are unsuccessful by this date, the US Government > will establish rates of its own, and formally disregard those imposed by the UPU. ? https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thatsmags.com%2Fchina%2Fpost%2F26105%2Fus-threatens-withdrawal-from-universal-postal-union&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170068699&sdata=co2S0iHmkFM4%2BcBf%2Bxu24Ycn8I33KFAxYuEAiQIFR%2B8%3D&reserved=0 > > Mark > > >> On Sep 11, 2019, at 5:26 PM, David Pilling wrote: >> >> >> Hi, >> >>> On 12/09/2019 01:15, Randall P. Linke wrote: >>> I was surprised as well. Apparently the meeting is in two weeks in Geneva >>> and if Trump doesn't get his way the US will withdraw in mid October. >> >> Last chance to go on ebay and buy items direct from China at low prices. >> >> >> -- >> David Pilling >> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.davidpilling.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170068699&sdata=Dl39IDVj7Nx243T8Yri9biFBbGn883%2FXC905wd7D7xg%3D&reserved=0 >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.pacificbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170068699&sdata=%2BwJU3DcOW5PJI%2FjOGR12nz45HTsXklEyZBZVS%2B6R%2FSE%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > Mark Robertson, Ph.D. > Pacific Northwest USDA hardiness zone 8a; Sunset climate zone 4 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 21:48:36 -0700 > From: Lee Poulsen > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Sorry, Bob. That was meant as a thank you for informing us. Sorry I sounded annoyed; I am. I try to keep on top of all the crazy news that is happening, but this one somehow slipped by me. I was left a little speechless when I googled and read up on it. I collected postage stamps as a kid and they still have a special place in my heart even though I don?t actively collect them these days. I was always proud of the fact that the UPU was one of those rare international treaties/organizations that worked throughout the world and was uniformly approved of for the task it took care of, and that we could send letters and postcards (and seeds!) to and from friends all over the world without any postal problems at all. (Another one is the ICAO which is what makes it such that we can all fly around the world to see each other and each other?s countries and bulbous flowers without a hitch and using common standards everywhere airplanes fly. Also another organization that every country in the w > orld belongs to.) > > No one knows for certain how the U.S. will send and receive mail from other countries if they go through with this. The U.S. has been in the UPU since its inception and in fact the U.S. was the main instigator of setting it up way back when. I read almost as many predictions about what will happen as the number of articles I read?everything from nothing will change at all to the whole international system will fall apart since apparently the U.S. is the major backbone of the current system, and it will become much more expensive to mail things (like seeds!) around the world especially for Americans. So far I haven?t seen anyone suggest it will go back to the pre-UPU method where you had to put the local postage on the envelope for each country the letter would pass through on its route from origin to destination. > > Along with using my seed import permit consistently, I guess I should place all orders for seeds from abroad before January 1st that I intend to get for the next 1.5 or 5.5 years. ;-) > > Thanks for the warning, Bob. > > --Lee Poulsen > Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a > Latitude 34?N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m > >> On Sep 11, 2019, at 5:56 PM, penstemon wrote: >> >> Bob Nold, did you really have to make us aware of this possibility? ? I literally had no idea this was a thing. When I read your sentence, I thought it was a joke. The UPU is old; it?s been around forever. >> >> If I knew, and people who never received seeds or bulbs from overseas learned that I knew and never said anything, I?d be in trouble. >> So consider this a public service message. >> >> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fipma.org%2Fupdate-on-the-status-of-upu-discussions-april-15-2019-by-merry-law%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170078704&sdata=6sKViRt2bp9X7kMzBpwrnfEyUHOtQ8RZsEfc0sMtJfs%3D&reserved=0 >> >> >> Bob >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.pacificbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170078704&sdata=6nNbeqGYnKsacKfeDiDY5GJ38%2BT7EFuL75zPZXn8aIg%3D&reserved=0 > > > ------------------------------ > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 31, Issue 13 > *********************************** > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From othonna@gmail.com Thu, 12 Sep 2019 11:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Hannon Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 31, Issue 14 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 10:37:56 -0700 It shouldn't need to be said, but... Thank you, Cynthia. Dylan *"Reason is itself a matter of faith. It is an act of faith to assert that our thoughts have any relation to reality at all."* ~ Gilbert K. Chesterton _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jimchunt@gmail.com Thu, 12 Sep 2019 11:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <1DDDD4F7-C48A-4C35-A6B4-A335AB8304CD@gmail.com> From: Jim Hunt Subject: Let’s keep politics out...stupid! Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 10:46:24 -0700 Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From dr.mas.roberts@gmail.com Thu, 12 Sep 2019 11:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <579AE39E-4005-42B0-8364-8B1160029CD5@gmail.com> From: M Robertson Subject: Universal Postal Union withdrawal Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 11:05:44 -0700 Yes, as Cynthia said, please, let’s avoid polemics on this discussion board. Mark > On Sep 12, 2019, at 10:30 AM, Cynthia Mueller wrote: > > Let’s not discuss sex, religion or POLITICS in the Pacific Bulb Society online communications. > > Cynthia W Mueller > >> On Sep 12, 2019, at 10:17 AM, George Nauyok wrote: >> >> For all those who voted for Trump, I hope you're proud of that action. Yet ANOTHER outrage of this administration. >> george >> ________________________________ >> From: pbs on behalf of pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 5:00 AM >> To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 31, Issue 13 >> >> Send pbs mailing list submissions to >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.pacificbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170058688&sdata=jisWtySr790lVERbwtlHT3LF88i%2BQREl%2FIY7%2FjcHKnI%3D&reserved=0 >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> pbs-owner@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." >> >> >> List-Post:> List-Archive:> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (Lee Poulsen) >> 2. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (penstemon) >> 3. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (Lee Poulsen) >> 4. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? >> (Randall P. Linke) >> 5. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? >> (David Pilling) >> 6. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (penstemon) >> 7. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (M Robertson) >> 8. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (Lee Poulsen) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 15:01:10 -0700 >> From: Lee Poulsen >> To: Pacific Bulb Society >> Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? >> Message-ID: <9E9E1F96-D31D-4C71-91D8-35B1E031ABD5@pacbell.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Sure, go right ahead. I don?t know if this is happening to others. >> >> ?Lee >> >>> On Sep 10, 2019, at 11:08 AM, Rick Buell via pbs wrote: >>> >>> May I quote this info on other gardening sites I'm on? Thanks! Rick Buell >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:00:51 -0600 >> From: penstemon >> To: Pacific Bulb Society >> Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? >> Message-ID: <06.69.09645.2AC797D5@smtp03.onyx.dfw.sync.lan> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> >>> Sure, go right ahead. I don?t know if this is happening to others. >> >> This may all become moot if the U.S. withdraws from the Universal Post Union next month. >> >> >> Bob Nold >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:01:57 -0700 >> From: Lee Poulsen >> To: Pacific Bulb Society >> Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Bob Nold, did you really have to make us aware of this possibility? ? I literally had no idea this was a thing. When I read your sentence, I thought it was a joke. The UPU is old; it?s been around forever. (Just read that it is the second oldest international organization.) Literally *everyone* belongs to it (or is associated with a member nation that does belong?these nonmembers are typically very small or there is some political issue with their status, and there are very few of them). >> >> This organization has allowed for the smooth operation of international mail since 1874. I cannot believe this is happening. >> >> --Lee Poulsen >> Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a >> Latitude 34?N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m >> >>> On Sep 11, 2019, at 4:00 PM, penstemon wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Sure, go right ahead. I don?t know if this is happening to others. >>> >>> This may all become moot if the U.S. withdraws from the Universal Post Union next month. >>> >>> >>> Bob Nold >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:15:38 -0700 >> From: "Randall P. Linke" >> To: Pacific Bulb Society >> Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> I was surprised as well. Apparently the meeting is in two weeks in Geneva >> and if Trump doesn't get his way the US will withdraw in mid October. >> >>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 5:02 PM Lee Poulsen wrote: >>> >>> Bob Nold, did you really have to make us aware of this possibility? ? I >>> literally had no idea this was a thing. When I read your sentence, I >>> thought it was a joke. The UPU is old; it?s been around forever. (Just read >>> that it is the second oldest international organization.) Literally >>> *everyone* belongs to it (or is associated with a member nation that does >>> belong?these nonmembers are typically very small or there is some political >>> issue with their status, and there are very few of them). >>> >>> This organization has allowed for the smooth operation of international >>> mail since 1874. I cannot believe this is happening. >>> >>> --Lee Poulsen >>> Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a >>> Latitude 34?N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m >>> >>>> On Sep 11, 2019, at 4:00 PM, penstemon wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Sure, go right ahead. I don?t know if this is happening to others. >>>> >>>> This may all become moot if the U.S. withdraws from the Universal Post >>> Union next month. >>>> >>>> >>>> Bob Nold >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> pbs mailing list >>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >>> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.pacificbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170058688&sdata=jisWtySr790lVERbwtlHT3LF88i%2BQREl%2FIY7%2FjcHKnI%3D&reserved=0 >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 01:26:28 +0100 >> From: David Pilling >> To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> Hi, >> >>> On 12/09/2019 01:15, Randall P. Linke wrote: >>> I was surprised as well. Apparently the meeting is in two weeks in Geneva >>> and if Trump doesn't get his way the US will withdraw in mid October. >> >> Last chance to go on ebay and buy items direct from China at low prices. >> >> >> -- >> David Pilling >> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.davidpilling.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170068699&sdata=Dl39IDVj7Nx243T8Yri9biFBbGn883%2FXC905wd7D7xg%3D&reserved=0 >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 18:56:06 -0600 >> From: penstemon >> To: Pacific Bulb Society >> Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Bob Nold, did you really have to make us aware of this possibility? ? I literally had no idea this was a thing. When I read your sentence, I thought it was a joke. The UPU is old; it?s been around forever. >> >> If I knew, and people who never received seeds or bulbs from overseas learned that I knew and never said anything, I?d be in trouble. >> So consider this a public service message. >> >> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fipma.org%2Fupdate-on-the-status-of-upu-discussions-april-15-2019-by-merry-law%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170068699&sdata=y%2FUx0Bf6qmLU6x%2FrC79T9LK7W1C9WkjWRWQDj8rR%2Bpc%3D&reserved=0 >> >> >> Bob >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 18:29:16 -0700 >> From: M Robertson >> To: Pacific Bulb Society >> Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? >> Message-ID: <17117570-124C-4F78-A0B2-03AAEE2C1BA5@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> The Trump Administration is requesting an equal postal rate structure between American companies shipping within the US and Chinese companies shipping to the US. >> "White House officials have announced that the Trump Administration will act in accordance with a US State Department recommendation to withdraw from the Universal Postal Union , an UN-backed organization founded in 1874 that has governed global postal rates since 1969. This action was recommended to President Trump on the grounds that the UPU currently allows China, among others, to ship products into the US for less than the rate American companies must pay when sending products domestically. In a statement released by the White House > briefings-statements%2Fstatement-press-secretary-38%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170068699&sdata=wwU%2B0KZuryCzFBhpYSePrzxfl%2FwzeY4%2F4%2FLHpfbe1ys%3D&reserved=0>, it is said that the US plans to exit the union no later than January 1, 2020, in accordance with the withdrawal process outlined in the UPU Constitution. If renegotiations between the US and the UPU of terminal dues are unsuccessful by this date, the US Government >> will establish rates of its own, and formally disregard those imposed by the UPU. ? https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thatsmags.com%2Fchina%2Fpost%2F26105%2Fus-threatens-withdrawal-from-universal-postal-union&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170068699&sdata=co2S0iHmkFM4%2BcBf%2Bxu24Ycn8I33KFAxYuEAiQIFR%2B8%3D&reserved=0 >> >> Mark >> >> >>> On Sep 11, 2019, at 5:26 PM, David Pilling wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>>> On 12/09/2019 01:15, Randall P. Linke wrote: >>>> I was surprised as well. Apparently the meeting is in two weeks in Geneva >>>> and if Trump doesn't get his way the US will withdraw in mid October. >>> >>> Last chance to go on ebay and buy items direct from China at low prices. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> David Pilling >>> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.davidpilling.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170068699&sdata=Dl39IDVj7Nx243T8Yri9biFBbGn883%2FXC905wd7D7xg%3D&reserved=0 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> pbs mailing list >>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >>> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.pacificbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170068699&sdata=%2BwJU3DcOW5PJI%2FjOGR12nz45HTsXklEyZBZVS%2B6R%2FSE%3D&reserved=0 >> >> >> >> >> Mark Robertson, Ph.D. >> Pacific Northwest USDA hardiness zone 8a; Sunset climate zone 4 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 21:48:36 -0700 >> From: Lee Poulsen >> To: Pacific Bulb Society >> Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Sorry, Bob. That was meant as a thank you for informing us. Sorry I sounded annoyed; I am. I try to keep on top of all the crazy news that is happening, but this one somehow slipped by me. I was left a little speechless when I googled and read up on it. I collected postage stamps as a kid and they still have a special place in my heart even though I don?t actively collect them these days. I was always proud of the fact that the UPU was one of those rare international treaties/organizations that worked throughout the world and was uniformly approved of for the task it took care of, and that we could send letters and postcards (and seeds!) to and from friends all over the world without any postal problems at all. (Another one is the ICAO which is what makes it such that we can all fly around the world to see each other and each other?s countries and bulbous flowers without a hitch and using common standards everywhere airplanes fly. Also another organization that every country in the w >> orld belongs to.) >> >> No one knows for certain how the U.S. will send and receive mail from other countries if they go through with this. The U.S. has been in the UPU since its inception and in fact the U.S. was the main instigator of setting it up way back when. I read almost as many predictions about what will happen as the number of articles I read?everything from nothing will change at all to the whole international system will fall apart since apparently the U.S. is the major backbone of the current system, and it will become much more expensive to mail things (like seeds!) around the world especially for Americans. So far I haven?t seen anyone suggest it will go back to the pre-UPU method where you had to put the local postage on the envelope for each country the letter would pass through on its route from origin to destination. >> >> Along with using my seed import permit consistently, I guess I should place all orders for seeds from abroad before January 1st that I intend to get for the next 1.5 or 5.5 years. ;-) >> >> Thanks for the warning, Bob. >> >> --Lee Poulsen >> Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a >> Latitude 34?N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m >> >>> On Sep 11, 2019, at 5:56 PM, penstemon wrote: >>> >>> Bob Nold, did you really have to make us aware of this possibility? ? I literally had no idea this was a thing. When I read your sentence, I thought it was a joke. The UPU is old; it?s been around forever. >>> >>> If I knew, and people who never received seeds or bulbs from overseas learned that I knew and never said anything, I?d be in trouble. >>> So consider this a public service message. >>> >>> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fipma.org%2Fupdate-on-the-status-of-upu-discussions-april-15-2019-by-merry-law%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170078704&sdata=6sKViRt2bp9X7kMzBpwrnfEyUHOtQ8RZsEfc0sMtJfs%3D&reserved=0 >>> >>> >>> Bob >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.pacificbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170078704&sdata=6nNbeqGYnKsacKfeDiDY5GJ38%2BT7EFuL75zPZXn8aIg%3D&reserved=0 >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of pbs Digest, Vol 31, Issue 13 >> *********************************** >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Mark Robertson, Ph.D. 916-342-5616 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From thorne.fred@gmail.com Thu, 12 Sep 2019 15:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Frederick Thorne Subject: Let’s keep politics out...stupid! Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 16:33:20 -0500 Name calling is just as bad as discusing sex, religion or politics. On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 12:46 PM Jim Hunt wrote: > > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From ceridwen@internode.on.net Thu, 12 Sep 2019 15:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <7D38A9A7-958C-4A1F-B43B-5C8E0E7A2290@internode.on.net> From: Ceridwen Lloyd Subject: Let’s keep politics out...stupid! Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 07:18:18 +0930 Just the bulbs, thanks Sent from my iPhone > On 13 Sep 2019, at 07:03, Frederick Thorne wrote: > > Name calling is just as bad as discusing sex, religion or politics. > >> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 12:46 PM Jim Hunt wrote: >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs >> > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From chris@maplegardendesign.com Fri, 13 Sep 2019 11:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: christopher erickson Subject: Babiana stricta Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 10:29:02 -0700 Hi, I'm in search of some bulbs or seeds of Babiana stricta. If anyone can help with that please let me know, thanks! CE _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From elainej@gmail.com Fri, 13 Sep 2019 14:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <4230D1AF-66C5-4634-AF5F-572B386488A1@gmail.com> From: Elaine Jek Subject: Thank you PBS! Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 13:17:18 -0700 I wanted to say a thank you to Mary Sue Ittner, Albert Stella and all the systems that were set in place for this to happen.... I once had a Gloriosa lily tuber and it took many years and flowered just once with one flower. Recently I planted the one donated by Mary Sue Ittner, 14. Gloriosa superba from BX 458 and it grew and flowered almost instantaneously like something unfurling from a fairytale. The flower opened pale greenish which and I thought I received the alba version and day by day, a streak ignited and burned the petals this cadmium-vermillion red. No wonder it is the Flame Lily. Thank you PBS, it is beautiful and it made my day! Btw is Gloriosa superba different from G. rothchildiana? Best regards, -Elaine. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image1.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 120355 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From luminita.vollmer@gmail.com Fri, 13 Sep 2019 15:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Luminita vollmer Subject: Thank you PBS! Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 16:21:26 -0500 I love this lily - along with the Pardalinum lily, it is my favorite! I didn't know they are hard to get to bloom, I have 30-40 of them, started from one brought from Hawaii by my son many years ago, and since then - lots and lots every year! I am in Minnesota by the way, and bring them in in the fall! Thank you Elaine Luminita On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 3:17 PM Elaine Jek wrote: > I wanted to say a thank you to Mary Sue Ittner, Albert Stella and all the > systems that were set in place for this to happen.... > > I once had a Gloriosa lily tuber and it took many years and flowered just > once with one flower. > > Recently I planted the one donated by Mary Sue Ittner, 14. Gloriosa > superba from BX 458 and it grew and flowered almost instantaneously like > something unfurling from a fairytale. > > The flower opened pale greenish which and I thought I received the alba > version and day by day, a streak ignited and burned the petals this > cadmium-vermillion red. No wonder it is the Flame Lily. > > Thank you PBS, it is beautiful and it made my day! > > Btw is Gloriosa superba different from G. rothchildiana? > > Best regards, > -Elaine. > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image1.jpeg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 120355 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/pipermail/pbs/attachments/20190913/ec29453b/attachment.jpeg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From voltaire@islandnet.com Fri, 13 Sep 2019 19:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <7A73E079-AA1E-43D3-8C63-21CAC1A5C304@islandnet.com> From: Diane Subject: Babiana stricta Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 18:42:24 -0700 Hi Christopher, It would help to know where you live, because of seed and bulb import restrictions. Diane Whitehead Canada _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From annmram@gmail.com Sat, 14 Sep 2019 01:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Ann Rametta Subject: Universal Postal Union withdrawal Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 00:55:57 -0700 I'm very happy for what Trump is doing On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 8:17 AM George Nauyok wrote: > For all those who voted for Trump, I hope you're proud of that action. > Yet ANOTHER outrage of this administration. > george > ________________________________ > From: pbs on behalf of > pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net < > pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 5:00 AM > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 31, Issue 13 > > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.pacificbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170058688&sdata=jisWtySr790lVERbwtlHT3LF88i%2BQREl%2FIY7%2FjcHKnI%3D&reserved=0 > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post: List-Archive:< > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pacificbulbsociety.org%2Flist.php&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170058688&sdata=Ex8Lgr4b0NdORsyRsckLm0Vp2Su2b9J%2FBinGtdw2tmw%3D&reserved=0 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (Lee Poulsen) > 2. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (penstemon) > 3. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (Lee Poulsen) > 4. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > (Randall P. Linke) > 5. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > (David Pilling) > 6. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (penstemon) > 7. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (M Robertson) > 8. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (Lee Poulsen) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 15:01:10 -0700 > From: Lee Poulsen > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: <9E9E1F96-D31D-4C71-91D8-35B1E031ABD5@pacbell.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Sure, go right ahead. I don?t know if this is happening to others. > > ?Lee > > > On Sep 10, 2019, at 11:08 AM, Rick Buell via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > > > May I quote this info on other gardening sites I'm on? Thanks! Rick Buell > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:00:51 -0600 > From: penstemon > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: <06.69.09645.2AC797D5@smtp03.onyx.dfw.sync.lan> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > >Sure, go right ahead. I don?t know if this is happening to others. > > This may all become moot if the U.S. withdraws from the Universal Post > Union next month. > > > Bob Nold > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:01:57 -0700 > From: Lee Poulsen > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Bob Nold, did you really have to make us aware of this possibility? ? I > literally had no idea this was a thing. When I read your sentence, I > thought it was a joke. The UPU is old; it?s been around forever. (Just read > that it is the second oldest international organization.) Literally > *everyone* belongs to it (or is associated with a member nation that does > belong?these nonmembers are typically very small or there is some political > issue with their status, and there are very few of them). > > This organization has allowed for the smooth operation of international > mail since 1874. I cannot believe this is happening. > > --Lee Poulsen > Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a > Latitude 34?N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m > > > On Sep 11, 2019, at 4:00 PM, penstemon wrote: > > > > > >> Sure, go right ahead. I don?t know if this is happening to others. > > > > This may all become moot if the U.S. withdraws from the Universal Post > Union next month. > > > > > > Bob Nold > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:15:38 -0700 > From: "Randall P. Linke" > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: > tgfbGLqSQ@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I was surprised as well. Apparently the meeting is in two weeks in Geneva > and if Trump doesn't get his way the US will withdraw in mid October. > > On Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 5:02 PM Lee Poulsen wrote: > > > Bob Nold, did you really have to make us aware of this possibility? ? I > > literally had no idea this was a thing. When I read your sentence, I > > thought it was a joke. The UPU is old; it?s been around forever. (Just > read > > that it is the second oldest international organization.) Literally > > *everyone* belongs to it (or is associated with a member nation that does > > belong?these nonmembers are typically very small or there is some > political > > issue with their status, and there are very few of them). > > > > This organization has allowed for the smooth operation of international > > mail since 1874. I cannot believe this is happening. > > > > --Lee Poulsen > > Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a > > Latitude 34?N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m > > > > > On Sep 11, 2019, at 4:00 PM, penstemon wrote: > > > > > > > > >> Sure, go right ahead. I don?t know if this is happening to others. > > > > > > This may all become moot if the U.S. withdraws from the Universal Post > > Union next month. > > > > > > > > > Bob Nold > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.pacificbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170058688&sdata=jisWtySr790lVERbwtlHT3LF88i%2BQREl%2FIY7%2FjcHKnI%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 01:26:28 +0100 > From: David Pilling > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Hi, > > On 12/09/2019 01:15, Randall P. Linke wrote: > > I was surprised as well. Apparently the meeting is in two weeks in > Geneva > > and if Trump doesn't get his way the US will withdraw in mid October. > > Last chance to go on ebay and buy items direct from China at low prices. > > > -- > David Pilling > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.davidpilling.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170068699&sdata=Dl39IDVj7Nx243T8Yri9biFBbGn883%2FXC905wd7D7xg%3D&reserved=0 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 18:56:06 -0600 > From: penstemon > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Bob Nold, did you really have to make us aware of this possibility? ? I > literally had no idea this was a thing. When I read your sentence, I > thought it was a joke. The UPU is old; it?s been around forever. > > If I knew, and people who never received seeds or bulbs from overseas > learned that I knew and never said anything, I?d be in trouble. > So consider this a public service message. > > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fipma.org%2Fupdate-on-the-status-of-upu-discussions-april-15-2019-by-merry-law%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170068699&sdata=y%2FUx0Bf6qmLU6x%2FrC79T9LK7W1C9WkjWRWQDj8rR%2Bpc%3D&reserved=0 > > > Bob > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 18:29:16 -0700 > From: M Robertson > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: <17117570-124C-4F78-A0B2-03AAEE2C1BA5@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > The Trump Administration is requesting an equal postal rate structure > between American companies shipping within the US and Chinese companies > shipping to the US. > "White House officials have announced that the Trump Administration > will act in accordance with a US State Department recommendation to > withdraw from the Universal Postal Union < > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sixthtone.com%2Fnews%2F1003077%2Fus-withdraws-from-international-post-treaty%252C-worrying-china&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170068699&sdata=nDaZwWuFQQDWPApj90R47cPTK5AFuTNHt13QQBCRzGY%3D&reserved=0>, > an UN-backed organization founded in 1874 that has governed global postal > rates since 1969. This action was recommended to President Trump on the > grounds that the UPU currently allows China, among others, to ship products > into the US for less than the rate American companies must pay when sending > products domestically. In a statement released by the White House < > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.whitehouse.gov%2F > briefings-statements%2Fstatement-press-secretary-38%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170068699&sdata=wwU%2B0KZuryCzFBhpYSePrzxfl%2FwzeY4%2F4%2FLHpfbe1ys%3D&reserved=0>, > it is said that the US plans to exit the union no later than January 1, > 2020, in accordance with the withdrawal process outlined in the UPU > Constitution. If renegotiations between the US and the UPU of terminal dues > are unsuccessful by this date, the US Government > will establish rates of its own, and formally disregard those imposed by > the UPU. ? > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thatsmags.com%2Fchina%2Fpost%2F26105%2Fus-threatens-withdrawal-from-universal-postal-union&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170068699&sdata=co2S0iHmkFM4%2BcBf%2Bxu24Ycn8I33KFAxYuEAiQIFR%2B8%3D&reserved=0 > < > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thatsmags.com%2Fchina%2Fpost%2F26105%2Fus-threatens-withdrawal-from-universal-postal-union&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170068699&sdata=co2S0iHmkFM4%2BcBf%2Bxu24Ycn8I33KFAxYuEAiQIFR%2B8%3D&reserved=0 > > > > Mark > > > On Sep 11, 2019, at 5:26 PM, David Pilling wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > On 12/09/2019 01:15, Randall P. Linke wrote: > >> I was surprised as well. Apparently the meeting is in two weeks in > Geneva > >> and if Trump doesn't get his way the US will withdraw in mid October. > > > > Last chance to go on ebay and buy items direct from China at low prices. > > > > > > -- > > David Pilling > > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.davidpilling.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170068699&sdata=Dl39IDVj7Nx243T8Yri9biFBbGn883%2FXC905wd7D7xg%3D&reserved=0 > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.pacificbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170068699&sdata=%2BwJU3DcOW5PJI%2FjOGR12nz45HTsXklEyZBZVS%2B6R%2FSE%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > Mark Robertson, Ph.D. > Pacific Northwest USDA hardiness zone 8a; Sunset climate zone 4 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 21:48:36 -0700 > From: Lee Poulsen > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Sorry, Bob. That was meant as a thank you for informing us. Sorry I > sounded annoyed; I am. I try to keep on top of all the crazy news that is > happening, but this one somehow slipped by me. I was left a little > speechless when I googled and read up on it. I collected postage stamps as > a kid and they still have a special place in my heart even though I don?t > actively collect them these days. I was always proud of the fact that the > UPU was one of those rare international treaties/organizations that worked > throughout the world and was uniformly approved of for the task it took > care of, and that we could send letters and postcards (and seeds!) to and > from friends all over the world without any postal problems at all. > (Another one is the ICAO which is what makes it such that we can all fly > around the world to see each other and each other?s countries and bulbous > flowers without a hitch and using common standards everywhere airplanes > fly. Also another organization that every country in the w > orld belongs to.) > > No one knows for certain how the U.S. will send and receive mail from > other countries if they go through with this. The U.S. has been in the UPU > since its inception and in fact the U.S. was the main instigator of setting > it up way back when. I read almost as many predictions about what will > happen as the number of articles I read?everything from nothing will change > at all to the whole international system will fall apart since apparently > the U.S. is the major backbone of the current system, and it will become > much more expensive to mail things (like seeds!) around the world > especially for Americans. So far I haven?t seen anyone suggest it will go > back to the pre-UPU method where you had to put the local postage on the > envelope for each country the letter would pass through on its route from > origin to destination. > > Along with using my seed import permit consistently, I guess I should > place all orders for seeds from abroad before January 1st that I intend to > get for the next 1.5 or 5.5 years. ;-) > > Thanks for the warning, Bob. > > --Lee Poulsen > Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a > Latitude 34?N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m > > > On Sep 11, 2019, at 5:56 PM, penstemon wrote: > > > > Bob Nold, did you really have to make us aware of this possibility? ? I > literally had no idea this was a thing. When I read your sentence, I > thought it was a joke. The UPU is old; it?s been around forever. > > > > If I knew, and people who never received seeds or bulbs from overseas > learned that I knew and never said anything, I?d be in trouble. > > So consider this a public service message. > > > > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fipma.org%2Fupdate-on-the-status-of-upu-discussions-april-15-2019-by-merry-law%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170078704&sdata=6sKViRt2bp9X7kMzBpwrnfEyUHOtQ8RZsEfc0sMtJfs%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.pacificbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170078704&sdata=6nNbeqGYnKsacKfeDiDY5GJ38%2BT7EFuL75zPZXn8aIg%3D&reserved=0 > > > ------------------------------ > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 31, Issue 13 > *********************************** > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From avbeek1@hotmail.com Sat, 14 Sep 2019 02:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Aad van Beek Subject: Universal Postal Union withdrawal Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 08:47:32 +0000 Stop, stop, stop. No interest for having US domestic politics brought up in this international group. Only if Trump can help ID a plant I wanna know. The impact of the possible withdrawal as described in the original posting was informative for other US citizen and as such appreciated. Aad -----Original Message----- From: pbs On Behalf Of Ann Rametta Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2019 9:56 AM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] Universal Postal Union withdrawal I'm very happy for what Trump is doing On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 8:17 AM George Nauyok wrote: > For all those who voted for Trump, I hope you're proud of that action. > Yet ANOTHER outrage of this administration. > george > ________________________________ > From: pbs on behalf of > pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net < > pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 5:00 AM > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 31, Issue 13 > > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists > .pacificbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&data= > 02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aa > aaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170058688&sdata=jisWtySr790lVERbwtlH > T3LF88i%2BQREl%2FIY7%2FjcHKnI%3D&reserved=0 > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post: List-Archive:< > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.p > acificbulbsociety.org%2Flist.php&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c8 > 83cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6370388 > 64170058688&sdata=Ex8Lgr4b0NdORsyRsckLm0Vp2Su2b9J%2FBinGtdw2tmw%3D > &reserved=0 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (Lee Poulsen) > 2. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (penstemon) > 3. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (Lee Poulsen) > 4. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > (Randall P. Linke) > 5. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > (David Pilling) > 6. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (penstemon) > 7. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (M Robertson) > 8. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (Lee > Poulsen) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 15:01:10 -0700 > From: Lee Poulsen > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: <9E9E1F96-D31D-4C71-91D8-35B1E031ABD5@pacbell.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Sure, go right ahead. I don?t know if this is happening to others. > > ?Lee > > > On Sep 10, 2019, at 11:08 AM, Rick Buell via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > > > May I quote this info on other gardening sites I'm on? Thanks! Rick > > Buell > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:00:51 -0600 > From: penstemon > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: <06.69.09645.2AC797D5@smtp03.onyx.dfw.sync.lan> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > >Sure, go right ahead. I don?t know if this is happening to others. > > This may all become moot if the U.S. withdraws from the Universal Post > Union next month. > > > Bob Nold > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:01:57 -0700 > From: Lee Poulsen > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Bob Nold, did you really have to make us aware of this possibility? ? > I literally had no idea this was a thing. When I read your sentence, I > thought it was a joke. The UPU is old; it?s been around forever. (Just > read that it is the second oldest international organization.) > Literally > *everyone* belongs to it (or is associated with a member nation that > does belong?these nonmembers are typically very small or there is some > political issue with their status, and there are very few of them). > > This organization has allowed for the smooth operation of > international mail since 1874. I cannot believe this is happening. > > --Lee Poulsen > Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34?N, Altitude 1150 > ft/350 m > > > On Sep 11, 2019, at 4:00 PM, penstemon wrote: > > > > > >> Sure, go right ahead. I don?t know if this is happening to others. > > > > This may all become moot if the U.S. withdraws from the Universal > > Post > Union next month. > > > > > > Bob Nold > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:15:38 -0700 > From: "Randall P. Linke" > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: > tgfbGLqSQ@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I was surprised as well. Apparently the meeting is in two weeks in > Geneva and if Trump doesn't get his way the US will withdraw in mid October. > > On Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 5:02 PM Lee Poulsen wrote: > > > Bob Nold, did you really have to make us aware of this possibility? > > ? I literally had no idea this was a thing. When I read your > > sentence, I thought it was a joke. The UPU is old; it?s been around > > forever. (Just > read > > that it is the second oldest international organization.) Literally > > *everyone* belongs to it (or is associated with a member nation that > > does belong?these nonmembers are typically very small or there is > > some > political > > issue with their status, and there are very few of them). > > > > This organization has allowed for the smooth operation of > > international mail since 1874. I cannot believe this is happening. > > > > --Lee Poulsen > > Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34?N, Altitude > > 1150 ft/350 m > > > > > On Sep 11, 2019, at 4:00 PM, penstemon wrote: > > > > > > > > >> Sure, go right ahead. I don?t know if this is happening to others. > > > > > > This may all become moot if the U.S. withdraws from the Universal > > > Post > > Union next month. > > > > > > > > > Bob Nold > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists > .pacificbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&data= > 02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aa > aaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170058688&sdata=jisWtySr790lVERbwtlH > T3LF88i%2BQREl%2FIY7%2FjcHKnI%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 01:26:28 +0100 > From: David Pilling > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Hi, > > On 12/09/2019 01:15, Randall P. Linke wrote: > > I was surprised as well. Apparently the meeting is in two weeks in > Geneva > > and if Trump doesn't get his way the US will withdraw in mid October. > > Last chance to go on ebay and buy items direct from China at low prices. > > > -- > David Pilling > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.davidpilling.c > om&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9 > f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170068699&sdata=Dl39IDVj > 7Nx243T8Yri9biFBbGn883%2FXC905wd7D7xg%3D&reserved=0 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 18:56:06 -0600 > From: penstemon > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Bob Nold, did you really have to make us aware of this possibility? ? > I literally had no idea this was a thing. When I read your sentence, I > thought it was a joke. The UPU is old; it?s been around forever. > > If I knew, and people who never received seeds or bulbs from overseas > learned that I knew and never said anything, I?d be in trouble. > So consider this a public service message. > > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fipma > .org%2Fupdate-on-the-status-of-upu-discussions-april-15-2019-by-merry- > law%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e > 7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170068699&sdata=y%2F > Ux0Bf6qmLU6x%2FrC79T9LK7W1C9WkjWRWQDj8rR%2Bpc%3D&reserved=0 > > > Bob > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 18:29:16 -0700 > From: M Robertson > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: <17117570-124C-4F78-A0B2-03AAEE2C1BA5@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > The Trump Administration is requesting an equal postal rate structure > between American companies shipping within the US and Chinese > companies shipping to the US. > "White House officials have announced that the Trump > Administration will act in accordance with a US State Department > recommendation to withdraw from the Universal Postal Union < > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.s > ixthtone.com%2Fnews%2F1003077%2Fus-withdraws-from-international-post-t > reaty%252C-worrying-china&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908 > d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C63703886417006 > 8699&sdata=nDaZwWuFQQDWPApj90R47cPTK5AFuTNHt13QQBCRzGY%3D&rese > rved=0>, an UN-backed organization founded in 1874 that has governed > global postal > rates since 1969. This action was recommended to President Trump on the > grounds that the UPU currently allows China, among others, to ship > products into the US for less than the rate American companies must pay when sending > products domestically. In a statement released by the White House < > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww. > whitehouse.gov%2F > briefings-statements%2Fstatement-press-secretary-38%2F&data=02%7C0 > 1%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaa > aaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170068699&sdata=wwU%2B0KZuryCzFBhpYSePrzxf > l%2FwzeY4%2F4%2FLHpfbe1ys%3D&reserved=0>, > it is said that the US plans to exit the union no later than January > 1, 2020, in accordance with the withdrawal process outlined in the UPU > Constitution. If renegotiations between the US and the UPU of terminal > dues are unsuccessful by this date, the US Government > will establish rates of its own, and formally disregard those > imposed by the UPU. ? > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww. > thatsmags.com%2Fchina%2Fpost%2F26105%2Fus-threatens-withdrawal-from-un > iversal-postal-union&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d7377 > 8c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170068699& > amp;sdata=co2S0iHmkFM4%2BcBf%2Bxu24Ycn8I33KFAxYuEAiQIFR%2B8%3D&res > erved=0 > < > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww. > thatsmags.com%2Fchina%2Fpost%2F26105%2Fus-threatens-withdrawal-from-un > iversal-postal-union&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d7377 > 8c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170068699& > amp;sdata=co2S0iHmkFM4%2BcBf%2Bxu24Ycn8I33KFAxYuEAiQIFR%2B8%3D&res > erved=0 > > > > Mark > > > On Sep 11, 2019, at 5:26 PM, David Pilling wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > On 12/09/2019 01:15, Randall P. Linke wrote: > >> I was surprised as well. Apparently the meeting is in two weeks in > Geneva > >> and if Trump doesn't get his way the US will withdraw in mid October. > > > > Last chance to go on ebay and buy items direct from China at low prices. > > > > > > -- > > David Pilling > > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.davidpilling.c > om&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9 > f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170068699&sdata=Dl39IDVj > 7Nx243T8Yri9biFBbGn883%2FXC905wd7D7xg%3D&reserved=0 > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists > .pacificbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&data= > 02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aa > aaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170068699&sdata=%2BwJU3DcOW5PJI%2FjO > GR12nz45HTsXklEyZBZVS%2B6R%2FSE%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > Mark Robertson, Ph.D. > Pacific Northwest USDA hardiness zone 8a; Sunset climate zone 4 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 21:48:36 -0700 > From: Lee Poulsen > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Sorry, Bob. That was meant as a thank you for informing us. Sorry I > sounded annoyed; I am. I try to keep on top of all the crazy news that > is happening, but this one somehow slipped by me. I was left a little > speechless when I googled and read up on it. I collected postage > stamps as a kid and they still have a special place in my heart even > though I don?t actively collect them these days. I was always proud of > the fact that the UPU was one of those rare international > treaties/organizations that worked throughout the world and was > uniformly approved of for the task it took care of, and that we could > send letters and postcards (and seeds!) to and from friends all over the world without any postal problems at all. > (Another one is the ICAO which is what makes it such that we can all > fly around the world to see each other and each other?s countries and > bulbous flowers without a hitch and using common standards everywhere > airplanes fly. Also another organization that every country in the w > orld belongs to.) > > No one knows for certain how the U.S. will send and receive mail from > other countries if they go through with this. The U.S. has been in the > UPU since its inception and in fact the U.S. was the main instigator > of setting it up way back when. I read almost as many predictions > about what will happen as the number of articles I read?everything > from nothing will change at all to the whole international system will > fall apart since apparently the U.S. is the major backbone of the > current system, and it will become much more expensive to mail things > (like seeds!) around the world especially for Americans. So far I > haven?t seen anyone suggest it will go back to the pre-UPU method > where you had to put the local postage on the envelope for each > country the letter would pass through on its route from origin to destination. > > Along with using my seed import permit consistently, I guess I should > place all orders for seeds from abroad before January 1st that I > intend to get for the next 1.5 or 5.5 years. ;-) > > Thanks for the warning, Bob. > > --Lee Poulsen > Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34?N, Altitude 1150 > ft/350 m > > > On Sep 11, 2019, at 5:56 PM, penstemon wrote: > > > > Bob Nold, did you really have to make us aware of this possibility? > > ? I > literally had no idea this was a thing. When I read your sentence, I > thought it was a joke. The UPU is old; it?s been around forever. > > > > If I knew, and people who never received seeds or bulbs from > > overseas > learned that I knew and never said anything, I?d be in trouble. > > So consider this a public service message. > > > > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fipma > .org%2Fupdate-on-the-status-of-upu-discussions-april-15-2019-by-merry- > law%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e > 7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170078704&sdata=6sKV > iRt2bp9X7kMzBpwrnfEyUHOtQ8RZsEfc0sMtJfs%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists > .pacificbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&data= > 02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aa > aaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170078704&sdata=6nNbeqGYnKsacKfeDiDY > 5GJ38%2BT7EFuL75zPZXn8aIg%3D&reserved=0 > > > ------------------------------ > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 31, Issue 13 > *********************************** > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sat, 14 Sep 2019 03:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <2122460104.7283235.1568452872505@mail.yahoo.com> From: Wylie Young via pbs Subject: Babiana stricta Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 09:21:12 +0000 (UTC) Bulb'Argence has them for sale, but they are located just outside of Marseilles, France. https://www.bulbargence.com/ _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From garethrattray@gmail.com Sat, 14 Sep 2019 03:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Gareth Rattray Subject: Babiana stricta Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 21:39:32 +1200 Please remove me off the mailing list Thank you On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 at 9:21 PM, Wylie Young via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > Bulb'Argence has them for sale, but they are located just outside of > Marseilles, France. https://www.bulbargence.com/ > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jgglatt@gmail.com Sat, 14 Sep 2019 06:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1bddeb0d-4552-eab3-34e7-ef3ae83cc0ac@gmail.com> From: Judy Glattstein Subject: Postal Issue Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 08:28:01 -0400 It is true China has - call it discounted international postal rates compared to the USA. That's because China is classified as a "developing" country, similar to some African and South American countries. Perhaps the answer is to reclassify China as a "developed" country. And if you want to mutter about postal rates I find the requirement that the USPS have very large funds set aside for pensions, causing domestic rates to increase again and again to be irritating. I sent my son-in-law a pound of coffee, mailed from NJ to TX. And the postage was more expensive than the coffee. Judy in NJ, busily repotting Rhodophiala --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From nickplummer@gmail.com Sun, 15 Sep 2019 13:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Nicholas plummer Subject: Behria tenuiflora flowering...finally Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2019 15:28:20 -0400 Back in April, I asked for advice on a Behria tenuiflora corm that hadn't broken dormancy for more than two years. No one had any suggestions, but the plant decided to grow and bloom anyway. What a fantastic little flower! Photo and some speculation on what might have induced it to break dormancy: https://sweetgumandpines.wordpress.com/ Regards Nick Plummer North Carolina, USA, Zone 7 (Where it still feels like July, but the Lycoris are finishing their flowering season and Colchicums are getting started) _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From professor.paul.flowers@gmail.com Sun, 15 Sep 2019 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Paul Flowers Subject: Source of Freesia bulbs or seeds Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2019 21:12:46 +0100 It looks like they have run out for this year but it might be worth contacting them for next summer http://www.rvroger.co.uk/index.php?linksource=division&webpage=freesia&listgroupfile=bulbs&parentpagefile=latesummerbulbs&divisionsortorder=1&season=BLSU&caller=Division _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jgglatt@gmail.com Sun, 15 Sep 2019 18:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Judy Glattstein Subject: An Eruption of Galanthus Bulbs Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2019 21:03:26 -0400 So today I was hauling yet another tub of last autumn's leaves into the woods to throw onto the brush pile where I intended to relocate the hatchling box turtles (except I think they hatched yesterday and scuttled off on their own.) As I was coming back out of the woods I saw all these small round white objects lounging around on the soil surface. Masses of them, in several colonies. Some so thick I could not see the soil. All of them fully exposed. Of course I could not leave them to the vagaries of time and the weather. I suppose I could have just dumped some dirt, (excuse me, soil, let's be upper class) over them. But if they were so crowded they were erupting into the light of day maybe they were looking for new situations. So I scrabbled with my fingers, lifted them all, and now have to figure where I am going to plant them all. As you can see from the attached image, there are many, many snowdrop bulbs. Because the only thing I can think of that was in that general area last spring were galanthus. Has this happened to anyone else? Judy in New Jersey --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: BelleWood in Bloom_2019-09_salvaged galanthus bulbs.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 162836 bytes Desc: not available URL: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From robin@hansennursery.com Sun, 15 Sep 2019 19:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <002e01d56c33$bb7f6d40$327e47c0$@hansennursery.com> From: "Hansen Nursery" Subject: An Eruption of Galanthus Bulbs Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2019 19:09:11 -0700 From: Dana Cromie Subject: Paul Christian rare plant website question Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 08:03:10 -0700 I am the chair of the Treasured Bulb Sale fundraiser at UBC Botanical Garden where we wash, repackaged, and sell non-commmercial geophytes from volunteers' gardens. For years, I have used Paul Christian's Rare Plant website as a guide (his price in pounds divided by two in Canadian dollars). For the past year, when I try to access his site, I get a page hosted by "Wordfence" that says "Your access to this site has been limited" "Your access to this service has been temporarily limited. please try again in a few minutes. (HTTP response code 503)" "Reason: Access from your area has been temporarily limited for security reasons." I have two questions: 1. Have other Canadian geophytophiles been blocked from Paul Christian's Rare Plant website? 2. Do members on here have sites they recommend for checking out relative prices on a comprehensive listing of bulbs, etc? I live in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Zone 8a, try to grow all kinds of bulbs, and love reading my PBS digest and cruising the "Photographs and Information" pages -- Dana Cromie New Website 2019 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From robin@hansennursery.com Mon, 16 Sep 2019 09:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <000601d56ca2$75455f00$5fd01d00$@hansennursery.com> From: "Hansen Nursery" Subject: Paul Christian rare plant website question Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 08:21:47 -0700 Dana has been having problems getting onto Paul Christian Rare Plants website. Dana, trying going in the back door. I went to the Dave's Garden website and clicked on 'visit the website'. I've had this problem with other sites and accidentally discovered that sometimes, not always, if I went in a different way I could get access. Robin Hansen Nursery robin@hansennursery.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From david@davidpilling.com Mon, 16 Sep 2019 10:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <4fcf7f36-0777-15f6-4b35-fb6881d0968b@davidpilling.com> From: David Pilling Subject: Paul Christian rare plant website question Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 17:58:33 +0100 Hi, On 16/09/2019 16:21, Hansen Nursery wrote: > website. Dana, trying going in the back door. I went to the Dave's Garden > website and clicked on 'visit the website'. I've had this problem with > other sites and accidentally discovered that sometimes, not always, if I Which may simply amount to a different address for the website. Here in the UK there is no problem with: https://www.rareplants.co.uk/ In general when people put blocks in the way, there are things called "web proxy server" which will let me (for example) view web sites as if I am in the USA (or other countries). You can also view Google's cache or the Internet Archive version. There can be other more local blocks, like virus software, and other software attempting to keep you safe. -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Mon, 16 Sep 2019 11:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: oooOIOooo via pbs Subject: Lycoris radiata Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 17:55:35 +0000 Bloom recently started; 7/12 clumps in one area and 5/12 in another have pushed spikes. This is going to be a fairly good year; they don't bloom reliably for me. We had late rain through May, and a much cooler spring and early summer than usual. Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA Sent from ProtonMail mobile -------- Original Message -------- On Sep 16, 2019, 05:00, wrote: > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > List-Post: List-Archive: Today's Topics: > > 1. Behria tenuiflora flowering...finally (Nicholas plummer) > 2. Re: Source of Freesia bulbs or seeds (Paul Flowers) > 3. An Eruption of Galanthus Bulbs (Judy Glattstein) > 4. Re: An Eruption of Galanthus Bulbs (Hansen Nursery) > Back in April, I asked for advice on a Behria tenuiflora corm that hadn't > broken dormancy for more than two years. No one had any suggestions, but > the plant decided to grow and bloom anyway. What a fantastic little flower! > > Photo and some speculation on what might have induced it to break dormancy: > https://sweetgumandpines.wordpress.com/ > > Regards > Nick Plummer > North Carolina, USA, Zone 7 (Where it still feels like July, but the > Lycoris are finishing their flowering season and Colchicums are getting > started) > > It looks like they have run out for this year but it might be worth > contacting them for next summer > > http://www.rvroger.co.uk/index.php?linksource=division&webpage=freesia&listgroupfile=bulbs&parentpagefile=latesummerbulbs&divisionsortorder=1&season=BLSU&caller=Division > > So today I was hauling yet another tub of last autumn's leaves into the > woods to throw onto the brush pile where I intended to relocate the > hatchling box turtles (except I think they hatched yesterday and > scuttled off on their own.) As I was coming back out of the woods I saw > all these small round white objects lounging around on the soil surface. > Masses of them, in several colonies. Some so thick I could not see the > soil. All of them fully exposed. Of course I could not leave them to the > vagaries of time and the weather. I suppose I could have just dumped > some dirt, (excuse me, soil, let's be upper class) over them. But if > they were so crowded they were erupting into the light of day maybe they > were looking for new situations. > > So I scrabbled with my fingers, lifted them all, and now have to figure > where I am going to plant them all. As you can see from the attached > image, there are many, many snowdrop bulbs. Because the only thing I can > think of that was in that general area last spring were galanthus. > > Has this happened to anyone else? > > Judy in New Jersey > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: BelleWood in Bloom_2019-09_salvaged galanthus bulbs.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 162836 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > > > Yes, masses of bulbs, mostly muscari I think, no dirt (soil) allowed in > piles in a brick planter that's about 20 feet long across the front of my > new house. Obviously untouched for years. I'm digging them out with the > idea that I'll plant bulbs of my own preference. I can't imagine how many > years it has taken to develop into these mounds... I suppose people will > cringe when I say I've tossed them in the garbage but the whole property has > extensive mounds of bulbs and that's not counting the patches of hybrid iris > and crocosmia. They seem to be all one color as are the tons of herbaceous > peonies - all double-flowered and maroon with no scent. > > Pouring buckets of cats and dogs in southwestern Oregon, > > I know my may way to the county dump and I have just the right-size truck > for the job... > > Robin > Hansen Nursery > robin@hansennursery.com > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From tropicalsea3@gmail.com Mon, 16 Sep 2019 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Gary Meltzer Subject: Fwd: Record of Decision for Regulating the Importation, Interstate Movement, and Intrastate Movement of Plant Pests is Now Available Online Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 10:17:14 -1000 ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: APHIS Stakeholder Registry Date: Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 7:21 AM Subject: Record of Decision for Regulating the Importation, Interstate Movement, and Intrastate Movement of Plant Pests is Now Available Online To: [image: USDA-APHIS GovDelivery Header] Having trouble viewing this email? 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That's what I like about bulbs: they are always teaching us something - or at any rate making us wonder why things happen the way they do.On to another topic: Judy mentioned box turtle eggs in a post today. Did you get eggs this year? I wonder if there are any other friends-of-the-box-turtle on this list. I have plans to build a box turtle pen in the far back of the garden (adjacent to the local major park which has or used to have box turtles). The pen will be designed so that potential predators (mainly raccoons, which we have in abundance) will not be able to get to the box turtles but any hatchlings will be able to get through openings in the screening and wander off into the woods. And where will I get the adult box turtles? I'm going to contact local wildlife rescue groups  in the hope that they occasionally get injured box turtles, turtles not deemed likely to survive back in the wild. I can provide a great home for them, and maybe help replenish the local population. Jim MdKenneyMontgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7. where box turtles used to be very common - sadly, that's no longer true.   _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From markemazer@gmail.com Mon, 16 Sep 2019 17:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Mark Mazer Subject: Behria tenuiflora flowering...finally Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 20:06:59 -0400 " I wonder if there are any other friends-of-the-box-turtle on this list." Yup. We almost always stop and move them off of the road when we see them. There are several old timers near the house on the farm that have been seen repeatedly over the years. It's one reason we keep the lawnmower set at 3.5 inches. Rehoming is fraught with problems and is quite stressful on them. Best to return the rescues back to the location where they were found. They are very territorial. Mark Mazer Belvidere, NC 27919 On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 6:18 PM Jim McKenney via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > Congratulations, Nick. That's what I like about bulbs: they are always > teaching us something - or at any rate making us wonder why things happen > the way they do.On to another topic: Judy mentioned box turtle eggs in a > post today. Did you get eggs this year? I wonder if there are any other > friends-of-the-box-turtle on this list. I have plans to build a box turtle > pen in the far back of the garden (adjacent to the local major park which > has or used to have box turtles). The pen will be designed so that > potential predators (mainly raccoons, which we have in abundance) will not > be able to get to the box turtles but any hatchlings will be able to get > through openings in the screening and wander off into the woods. And where > will I get the adult box turtles? I'm going to contact local wildlife > rescue groups in the hope that they occasionally get injured box turtles, > turtles not deemed likely to survive back in the wild. I can provide a > great home for them, and maybe help replenish the local population. > Jim MdKenneyMontgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7. where box > turtles used to be very common - sadly, that's no longer true. > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From bulbexchange@gmail.com Mon, 16 Sep 2019 18:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Bulb Exchange!" Subject: Box Turtles (and others!) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 20:42:18 -0400 Turtle eggs remain viable for some time in roadkill females. Buy a Hovabator. Set it to 84F. Turtle eggs cannot be turned once laid, so dont touch them. (You can mark the top with a pencil if it helps). Maintain high humidity in the incubator. Its morbid, but eggs can be removed from roadkill females and incubated to hatching (8 weeks). 84F will give about an even mix of males and females. I used to do this EVERY YEAR with diamondback terrapins killed along roads in South Jersey as a kid. This should absolutely be done whenever possible for a plethora of obvious reasons. If the females are hit already....this can ONLY help. Release the babies... Contact me privately with questions, comments, concerns or complaints. Albert On Mon, Sep 16, 2019, 8:07 PM Mark Mazer wrote: > " I wonder if there are any other friends-of-the-box-turtle on this > list." Yup. We almost always stop and move them off of the road when we > see them. There are several old timers near the house on the farm that > have been seen repeatedly over the years. It's one reason we keep the > lawnmower set at 3.5 inches. Rehoming is fraught with problems and is > quite stressful on them. Best to return the rescues back to the location > where they were found. They are very territorial. > > Mark Mazer > Belvidere, NC 27919 > > On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 6:18 PM Jim McKenney via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > > Congratulations, Nick. That's what I like about bulbs: they are always > > teaching us something - or at any rate making us wonder why things happen > > the way they do.On to another topic: Judy mentioned box turtle eggs in a > > post today. Did you get eggs this year? I wonder if there are any other > > friends-of-the-box-turtle on this list. I have plans to build a box > turtle > > pen in the far back of the garden (adjacent to the local major park which > > has or used to have box turtles). The pen will be designed so that > > potential predators (mainly raccoons, which we have in abundance) will > not > > be able to get to the box turtles but any hatchlings will be able to get > > through openings in the screening and wander off into the woods. And > where > > will I get the adult box turtles? I'm going to contact local wildlife > > rescue groups in the hope that they occasionally get injured box > turtles, > > turtles not deemed likely to survive back in the wild. I can provide a > > great home for them, and maybe help replenish the local population. > > Jim MdKenneyMontgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7. where box > > turtles used to be very common - sadly, that's no longer true. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From luminita.vollmer@gmail.com Mon, 16 Sep 2019 20:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Luminita vollmer Subject: Box Turtles (and others!) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 21:21:41 -0500 What an interesting post! I saw a documentary about turtles that told me removing a turtle from its birth place confuses them for the rest of their lives, and they walk around trying to find that place from that point on. Territorial in the sense they only want to live in their birth place. I love this community! Luminita from MN, I have only seen snappers and painted turtles here, but there seem to be a few others as well ( wood turtle, soft shell, Northern map) On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 7:42 PM Bulb Exchange! wrote: > Turtle eggs remain viable for some time in roadkill females. > > Buy a Hovabator. Set it to 84F. Turtle eggs cannot be turned once laid, so > dont touch them. (You can mark the top with a pencil if it helps). > Maintain high humidity in the incubator. > > Its morbid, but eggs can be removed from roadkill females and incubated to > hatching (8 weeks). 84F will give about an even mix of males and females. > > I used to do this EVERY YEAR with diamondback terrapins killed along roads > in South Jersey as a kid. > > This should absolutely be done whenever possible for a plethora of obvious > reasons. If the females are hit already....this can ONLY help. > > Release the babies... > > Contact me privately with questions, comments, concerns or complaints. > > Albert > > On Mon, Sep 16, 2019, 8:07 PM Mark Mazer wrote: > > > " I wonder if there are any other friends-of-the-box-turtle on this > > list." Yup. We almost always stop and move them off of the road when we > > see them. There are several old timers near the house on the farm that > > have been seen repeatedly over the years. It's one reason we keep the > > lawnmower set at 3.5 inches. Rehoming is fraught with problems and is > > quite stressful on them. Best to return the rescues back to the location > > where they were found. They are very territorial. > > > > Mark Mazer > > Belvidere, NC 27919 > > > > On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 6:18 PM Jim McKenney via pbs < > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > > > > Congratulations, Nick. That's what I like about bulbs: they are always > > > teaching us something - or at any rate making us wonder why things > happen > > > the way they do.On to another topic: Judy mentioned box turtle eggs in > a > > > post today. Did you get eggs this year? I wonder if there are any other > > > friends-of-the-box-turtle on this list. I have plans to build a box > > turtle > > > pen in the far back of the garden (adjacent to the local major park > which > > > has or used to have box turtles). The pen will be designed so that > > > potential predators (mainly raccoons, which we have in abundance) will > > not > > > be able to get to the box turtles but any hatchlings will be able to > get > > > through openings in the screening and wander off into the woods. And > > where > > > will I get the adult box turtles? I'm going to contact local wildlife > > > rescue groups in the hope that they occasionally get injured box > > turtles, > > > turtles not deemed likely to survive back in the wild. I can provide a > > > great home for them, and maybe help replenish the local population. > > > Jim MdKenneyMontgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7. where box > > > turtles used to be very common - sadly, that's no longer true. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > pbs mailing list > > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From meenglis@meenglis.cts.com Mon, 16 Sep 2019 22:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <004e01d56d16$5f7440a0$1e5cc1e0$@cts.com> From: "Mee" Subject: help - to whom do I write to change my email address? Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 22:11:28 -0700 I can't seem to find a spot on the lists at the bottom of mails. Marguerite English _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From kenttoto@gmail.com Tue, 17 Sep 2019 03:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Michael Kent Subject: Mee Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 06:08:20 -0400 Margaret, Jane McGary. You can use the pre-formatted email set up under the drop down menu "contact. Mike Z6 in the Finger Lakes area _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From kenttoto@gmail.com Tue, 17 Sep 2019 03:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Michael Kent Subject: Mee Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 06:10:43 -0400 Oops, sorry. Meant to say Marguerite, not Margaret. Mike _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From david@davidpilling.com Tue, 17 Sep 2019 05:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: David Pilling Subject: Ch-ch-ch-ch-changes (list sub config) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 12:45:32 +0100 Hi, If you go to the PBS list home page (and click the changes button), which is equivalent to the URL below: https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php#Change You can access your list subscription configuration. This lets you change lots of things like your email address (and even unsubscribe). It will ask for a password - few people will know this - but there is a button further down the password page that will send you a reminder. -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jane@deskhenge.com Tue, 17 Sep 2019 06:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <52e6d69a-7f27-c70e-1090-bfdbb51c2f71@deskhenge.com> From: Jane Sargent Subject: box turtles Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 08:27:01 -0400 In Massachusetts, it is illegal to collect, possess, or mess with a box turtle, even if its mom has been run over and you want to rescue the eggs. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jgglatt@gmail.com Tue, 17 Sep 2019 06:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <753b23fd-4ef4-df61-1854-a9b1fdcb50de@gmail.com> From: Judy Glattstein Subject: Judy's Nesting Box Turtle Story Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 09:00:07 -0400 Back in May I found a male box turtle near my tool shed. (Box turtles are easy to sex - males have red eyes, females have brown.) Early in June we saw a female, right next to our front walk. She came back five days later. And again on the evening of June 15 when she dug her nest. It took her about 4 hours. I only took one picture as I did not want to disturb her with flashlight. I put a crate over the site, weighted with a concrete block in case raccoons came looking for a midnight snack. I would remove it in the daytime, cover at night. Called around for information. Was told I could relocate hatchlings no more than 2 football field distance. Figured the marathon crawl across our lawn and possible drop over retaining wall could be an issue. So relocation to a brush heap would improve odds of success. There would be -  potentially - 4 to 6 eggs. Those at the upper, warmer portion of the 5 inch deep, flask shaped nest would hatch as females, those at the lower, cooler portion of the nest would become males. Global warming issue concerns, anyone? Very few hatchlings survive to maturity. Those that do live for 40 to 80 years, baring road accidents. I have seen three different individuals on our property this year, so my assumption is that there is a good population. Concerned that the tiny hatchlings might fit through the milk crate openings I gave my husband a bulb crate and he fastened a "skirt" of flattened gutter guard around the perimeter. Alas, I should have butted up patio blocks around the outside, because on the morning of Sunday, September 15 I noticed the hole in the second image. The hatchlings are so tiny they were able to wander forth under the irregularities between crate and ground. What have I learned? Box turtles hatch at night. And that I am now concerned about mowing the grass. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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See: http://www.nauti-lasscritters.com/state-maryland.html On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 8:27 AM Jane Sargent wrote: > In Massachusetts, it is illegal to collect, possess, or mess with a box > turtle, even if its mom has been run over and you want to rescue the eggs. > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Tue, 17 Sep 2019 13:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <681652606.5910599.1568748603774@mail.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney via pbs Subject: box turtles Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 19:30:03 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Mark, I knew about that. I think it's a really short-sighted law: it makes it more difficult to breed the turtles in captivity (although I think females remain fertile long after one breeding episode). I assume that a human couple living together can each own one turtle. But will the inspectors fine them when the first batch of eggs hatches? Or if the couple has kids of their own, can ownership of the turtles be assigned to each of their children? I've heard about people who are licensed for wildlife rehabilitation - maybe that's the route to follow.Long ago there was a man who kept a goshawk in the neighborhood. The first time I saw it it was flying freely in the local woods and really gave me a start. Jim McKenney  _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From markemazer@gmail.com Tue, 17 Sep 2019 13:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Mark Mazer Subject: box turtles Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 15:54:32 -0400 Jim, I think the intent of the MD law (posses vs. own?) is clear and that they don't wish to see many of these turtles/tortises in captivity. A permit is required if you wish to breed them and one that has been captively produced may not be released into the wild. In NC we are permitted to posess none. Do you get spotted turtles (Clemmys guttata)? Been here 13 years and have only seen them three times on the farm, once having been pried (unharmed) from the jaws of our late dobermann. Best, M On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 3:30 PM Jim McKenney via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > Thanks, Mark, I knew about that. I think it's a really short-sighted law: > it makes it more difficult to breed the turtles in captivity (although I > think females remain fertile long after one breeding episode). I assume > that a human couple living together can each own one turtle. But will the > inspectors fine them when the first batch of eggs hatches? Or if the couple > has kids of their own, can ownership of the turtles be assigned to each of > their children? I've heard about people who are licensed for wildlife > rehabilitation - maybe that's the route to follow.Long ago there was a man > who kept a goshawk in the neighborhood. The first time I saw it it was > flying freely in the local woods and really gave me a start. Jim McKenney > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Tue, 17 Sep 2019 15:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1060481620.5943719.1568755602635@mail.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney via pbs Subject: box turtles Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 21:26:42 +0000 (UTC) Mark asked about spotted turtles. I know of a park in nearby northern Virginia where the spotted turtle still lives. When i was a youngster, my mom took my younger sister and me to Philadelphia on the train. While on the train, I spotted a baby spotted turtle walking down the aisle. I jumped down and caught it, and we kept it in a drink cup for the duration of the trip and subsequent visit. Back home, it became a part of my menagerie.  But it soon came to a sad end. I had some goldfish at the time, and one of them died. So we (my mom, sister and I) took it into the bathroom and flushed it down the toilet. The turtle disappeared a few days later. When we wondered aloud about what might have happened to it, my sister piped up "turty go flush." That story still stings me seventy years later. Other than genuinely domesticated animals, to this day I'm reluctant to keep animals in captivity. My box turtle scheme would have been based on locally sourced turtles not deemed suitable for release to the wild because of injuries.  Jim McKenneyMontgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, where the commonest local turtle is probably the very adaptable snapping turtle.    On Tuesday, September 17, 2019, 03:54:59 PM EDT, Mark Mazer wrote: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jane@deskhenge.com Tue, 17 Sep 2019 16:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <3603721f-0ee5-3f90-58b3-bf125ac8757d@deskhenge.com> From: Jane Sargent Subject: wildlife officer Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 19:12:41 -0400 My Massachusetts family's most memorable encounter with a wildlife officer came some years ago when the grandson was 4 and a black bear had taken to living in our back yard. It went up and down the driveway several times a day, and the child really wanted to go out and pat it. I phoned the Audubon, the local police, the State police, and the Environmental police, but none of them was about to tranquilize the animal and move it somewhere else. The Environmental Police told me I could either keep the child in the house all summer or let him out to play with the bear, because "bears don't hurt people." On being reminded that the child was four, he decided keeping the kid in the house would be the better move because "the bear might confuse him with a beaver, and they do eat beavers." But heaven help us if we rescue turtle eggs from roadkill. We aren't allowed to grow Myosotis palustris, either. Keeping Massachusetts pure. Jane S _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 18 Sep 2019 08:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: ERIKA SCHROEDERSECKER via pbs Subject: Paul Christian plant website Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2019 10:30:30 -0400 Hello Dana, I have also not been able to access his website and receive the same error. I’m in Toronto. My understanding of this is that because he doesn’t ship outside the EU he restricts access to who can view his site. I’d be curious to know if US customers have the same error. Hope this helps. Erika Toronto, Ontario Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From wpoulsen@pacbell.net Wed, 18 Sep 2019 11:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Lee Poulsen Subject: Paul Christian plant website Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2019 10:52:19 -0700 I tried to go to the website just now, and got right in, and looked at a couple of species as well. No real delays or problems. I ordered a few items early this year and they arrived no problems. --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m > On Sep 18, 2019, at 7:30 AM, ERIKA SCHROEDERSECKER via pbs wrote: > > > Hello Dana, I have also not been able to access his website and receive the same error. I’m in Toronto. My understanding of this is that because he doesn’t ship outside the EU he restricts access to who can view his site. I’d be curious to know if US customers have the same error. Hope this helps. Erika Toronto, Ontario _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 19 Sep 2019 16:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <98419137.6788229.1568933902423@mail.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney via pbs Subject: clumps of bulbs Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2019 22:58:22 +0000 (UTC) Judy mentioned the clumps of bulbs she was finding in her garden. On the same day I happened to find this image of a clump of blooming bulbs. It's in Karl Foerster's Der Steingarten der sieben Jahrezeiten (The rock garden of the seven seasons) which was published in 1936.  Some of you might enjoy this. See the attached image.  The text which accompanies the image reads "Among all colchicums Colchicum autumnale minor as an old plant forms the thickest bloom cushions The plant pictured is eighteen years old."Jim McKenney -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Colchicum_ex_Foerster_IMG_0392_1.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 107077 bytes Desc: not available URL: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From g_goldsmith@hotmail.com Sat, 21 Sep 2019 17:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: George Goldsmith Subject: Calochortus identification by seed capsules Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2019 23:37:56 +0000 Can anyone provide information that would help me identify a Calochortus seed capsule as either C. plummerae or C. weedii? I've been watching an area in the northern Santa Ana Mountains but was unable to visit the site during the blooming period. There's nothing in the Jepson manual that jumps out ("FR erect, 4-8 cm, linear, angled" for C. plummerae and "FR erect, 4-5 cm, linear, angled" for C. weedii). These two spp. and C. catalinae are the only spp. in the area, and C. catalinae's seed capsule is noticeably different. Thank you in advance for any information that might be provided. George Goldsmith (A member of PBS at last!) Diamond Bar, CA _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From g_goldsmith@hotmail.com Sat, 21 Sep 2019 17:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: George Goldsmith Subject: Vic Girard's Unpublished Notes Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2019 00:04:05 +0000 Throughout the issues of the Mariposa newsletter, recently made available on the PBS Wiki, are references to the "unpublished monograph" (or "unpublished text," "unpublished investigation," etc.) of Vic Girard on the genus Calochortus. (I also saw a reference to the "Farwig-Girard notes.") I'm writing to see if Mr. Girard's work is available, either on-line or physically in some library or institution. Although the references are sometimes brief, they contain much information, reflection, and insight regarding the Calochortus spp. Just as the Mariposa newsletter has made available much valuable information about these species, I'm guessing that Mr. Girard's work would add even more. Thank you in advance to whoever might provide any information. George Goldsmith Diamond Bar, CA _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From kimcmich@hotmail.com Sun, 22 Sep 2019 00:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Kipp McMichael Subject: Calochortus identification by seed capsules Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2019 06:47:11 +0000 George, You aren't going to be able to make that distinction from dried capsules BUT I would say the northern Santa Annas are in the range of weedi var intermedius rather than plummerae. I have observed weedi var intermedius and splendens/davidsonianus in the northern Santa Annas. All that said, "weedi intermedius" is just the name for plants that look like a hybrid between weedi var weedi and plummerae (which they likely are). So, despite my suggested ID above, I think the true answer to your question is: you have seeds from the intergrade population of weedi/plummerae called "weedi var intermedius". ________________________________ From: pbs on behalf of George Goldsmith Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 4:37 PM To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Subject: [pbs] Calochortus identification by seed capsules Can anyone provide information that would help me identify a Calochortus seed capsule as either C. plummerae or C. weedii? I've been watching an area in the northern Santa Ana Mountains but was unable to visit the site during the blooming period. There's nothing in the Jepson manual that jumps out ("FR erect, 4-8 cm, linear, angled" for C. plummerae and "FR erect, 4-5 cm, linear, angled" for C. weedii). These two spp. and C. catalinae are the only spp. in the area, and C. catalinae's seed capsule is noticeably different. Thank you in advance for any information that might be provided. George Goldsmith (A member of PBS at last!) Diamond Bar, CA _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.pacificbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cba40f7d82b2346c824de08d73eecbe14%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637047058858047039&sdata=CffQ6w9Hs2kaVFcSlCI7S2PPKHDMZXpi2coYvtRYbe0%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From michaelcmace@gmail.com Sun, 22 Sep 2019 16:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <00ce01d5719a$e1f66020$a5e32060$@gmail.com> From: Subject: New Moraea hybrids, 2019 Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2019 16:10:09 -0700 Hi, gang. If you don't like hybrids, my apologies and please move on to the next message. I've posted a summary of my new Moraea hybrids from this year. If you've been with this list for a while, you know that for about a decade I've been experimenting with crossing various "Peacock" and related species of Moraea. The results continue to be really interesting, with lots of spots and stripes and unusual color combinations. I am amazed by the genetic diversity of this genus. https://growingcoolplants.blogspot.com/2019/09/new-moraea-hybrids-2019.html I sometimes get asked about the ethics of growing species versus hybrids. My perspective: I don't see a conflict; I also do my best to conserve and share the species. But raising hybrids gives me new stuff to look at every year, whereas I already have most of the Moraea species that are available. If anyone has any advice, or suggestions on things to cross, I am all ears. I am not a botanist and appreciate any help I can get. Mike San Jose, CA _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From dkramb@badbear.com Sun, 22 Sep 2019 20:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <988c4fda-192f-f1ed-f8c4-9c9432c46c8a@badbear.com> From: dkramb Subject: New Moraea hybrids, 2019 Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2019 22:44:15 -0400 These are insanely cool!   I wish I could grow them in my garden. :-/   Thank you for sharing them!  You must be so proud. Dennis in Cincinnati On 9/22/2019 7:10 PM, michaelcmace@gmail.com wrote: > Hi, gang. > > > > If you don't like hybrids, my apologies and please move on to the next > message. > > > > I've posted a summary of my new Moraea hybrids from this year. If you've > been with this list for a while, you know that for about a decade I've been > experimenting with crossing various "Peacock" and related species of Moraea. > The results continue to be really interesting, with lots of spots and > stripes and unusual color combinations. I am amazed by the genetic diversity > of this genus. > > > > https://growingcoolplants.blogspot.com/2019/09/new-moraea-hybrids-2019.html > > > > I sometimes get asked about the ethics of growing species versus hybrids. My > perspective: I don't see a conflict; I also do my best to conserve and share > the species. But raising hybrids gives me new stuff to look at every year, > whereas I already have most of the Moraea species that are available. > > > > If anyone has any advice, or suggestions on things to cross, I am all ears. > I am not a botanist and appreciate any help I can get. > > > > Mike > > San Jose, CA > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From r.c.weber@comcast.net Mon, 23 Sep 2019 01:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: RC Weber Subject: New Moraea hybrids, 2019 Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 00:36:31 -0700 Again, plants that deserve to be in science fiction movies! Thank you! Love this list ... ~ Cate On 22-Sep-19 4:10 PM, michaelcmace@gmail.com wrote: > Hi, gang. > > > > If you don't like hybrids, my apologies and please move on to the next > message. > > > I've posted a summary of my new Moraea hybrids from this year. If you've > been with this list for a while, you know that for about a decade I've been > experimenting with crossing various "Peacock" and related species of Moraea. > The results continue to be really interesting, with lots of spots and > stripes and unusual color combinations. I am amazed by the genetic diversity > of this genus. > > > > https://growingcoolplants.blogspot.com/2019/09/new-moraea-hybrids-2019.html > > > > I sometimes get asked about the ethics of growing species versus hybrids. My > perspective: I don't see a conflict; I also do my best to conserve and share > the species. But raising hybrids gives me new stuff to look at every year, > whereas I already have most of the Moraea species that are available. > > > > If anyone has any advice, or suggestions on things to cross, I am all ears. > I am not a botanist and appreciate any help I can get. > > > > Mike > > San Jose, CA > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From voltaire@islandnet.com Mon, 23 Sep 2019 13:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <29048F82-8527-4E96-9475-466E7E5A14BA@islandnet.com> From: Diane Subject: New Moraea hybrids, 2019 Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 13:11:14 -0700 Fantastic flowers! I know of many South African bulbs that flower for just a few hours. How long do the flowers of your hybrids last? Diane Whitehead Victoria, British Columbia, Canada _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From wpoulsen@pacbell.net Tue, 24 Sep 2019 23:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <7A04E7BE-F745-460D-AE58-2EDB201C3068@pacbell.net> From: Lee Poulsen Subject: UPU extraordinary congress this week - update Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 23:01:11 -0700 The Universal Postal Union is holding its third ever “extraordinary congress” this week to discuss the U.S. request/threat to change the way international rates are set. The UPU Secretary General is very optimistic that a deal will be reached. I hope so since the alternative described in these two articles from today is pretty awful for us Americans: "World postal union rejects Trump’s favored reform plan” "A 'nightmare scenario' if Trump pulls US out of global postal union, agency warns” I haven’t yet ordered all the seeds from abroad that I have my eyes on, so maybe I should soon in case things turn out badly? --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From g_goldsmith@hotmail.com Wed, 25 Sep 2019 09:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: George Goldsmith Subject: Calochortus identification by seed capsules Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 15:49:12 +0000 Kipp, Thanks very much for the information you provided. I'm still trying to build my intuition about the local Calochortus stands, and this is very helpful. I still remember my surprise just two years ago of seeing a large stand of Calochortus in the north Santa Anas, in the undeveloped area west of the 241 Expressway, after over a decade of only seeing less than a dozen plants in stands near my home. Thanks again for your help. George -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net] On Behalf Of Kipp McMichael Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 11:47 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] Calochortus identification by seed capsules George, You aren't going to be able to make that distinction from dried capsules BUT I would say the northern Santa Annas are in the range of weedi var intermedius rather than plummerae. I have observed weedi var intermedius and splendens/davidsonianus in the northern Santa Annas. All that said, "weedi intermedius" is just the name for plants that look like a hybrid between weedi var weedi and plummerae (which they likely are). So, despite my suggested ID above, I think the true answer to your question is: you have seeds from the intergrade population of weedi/plummerae called "weedi var intermedius". ________________________________ From: pbs on behalf of George Goldsmith Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 4:37 PM To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Subject: [pbs] Calochortus identification by seed capsules Can anyone provide information that would help me identify a Calochortus seed capsule as either C. plummerae or C. weedii? I've been watching an area in the northern Santa Ana Mountains but was unable to visit the site during the blooming period. There's nothing in the Jepson manual that jumps out ("FR erect, 4-8 cm, linear, angled" for C. plummerae and "FR erect, 4-5 cm, linear, angled" for C. weedii). These two spp. and C. catalinae are the only spp. in the area, and C. catalinae's seed capsule is noticeably different. Thank you in advance for any information that might be provided. George Goldsmith (A member of PBS at last!) Diamond Bar, CA _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.pacificbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cba40f7d82b2346c824de08d73eecbe14%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637047058858047039&sdata=CffQ6w9Hs2kaVFcSlCI7S2PPKHDMZXpi2coYvtRYbe0%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From michaelcmace@gmail.com Wed, 25 Sep 2019 09:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <07f801d573bb$a9ad4080$fd07c180$@gmail.com> From: Subject: New Moraea hybrids, 2019 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 09:09:50 -0700 Thanks for the nice comments, folks. Dennis wrote: > You must be so proud. Thanks, but I don't feel like I did much -- I just spread a lot of pollen around and then watched what happened. It's kind of like being a cave explorer who followed a little crack to find a bunch of big rooms full of crystals. The Moraeas are gorgeous species, but who would have thought they could combine in so many weird ways? Anyway, it's fun to share what I'm finding, so thanks everybody for putting up with it. Diane asked: >How long do the flowers of your hybrids last? There are exceptions, but most Moraea species have one of two blooming schedules: --Some of them have flowers that last only a day, but they put up new flowers on every sunny day for a couple of weeks. --Some others have flowers that last for about three days, give or take. Usually there's only one flower open at a time, but the plants may have branched stems, and usually multiple buds at the end of each branch. So you get flowers for a couple of weeks. The hybrids I'm growing are almost all the three days kind. Some species have more branches on the stem, and more buds per branch, so I think it'll be possible to extend the blooming period a bit, and to get more flowers per plant. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From randysgarden@gmail.com Wed, 25 Sep 2019 16:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Randall P. Linke" Subject: New Moraea hybrids, 2019 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 15:57:58 -0700 They are lovely. On Wed, Sep 25, 2019, 9:11 AM wrote: > Thanks for the nice comments, folks. > > > Dennis wrote: > > > You must be so proud. > > Thanks, but I don't feel like I did much -- I just spread a lot of pollen > around and then watched what happened. It's kind of like being a cave > explorer who followed a little crack to find a bunch of big rooms full of > crystals. The Moraeas are gorgeous species, but who would have thought they > could combine in so many weird ways? > > Anyway, it's fun to share what I'm finding, so thanks everybody for putting > up with it. > > > Diane asked: > > >How long do the flowers of your hybrids last? > > There are exceptions, but most Moraea species have one of two blooming > schedules: > --Some of them have flowers that last only a day, but they put up new > flowers on every sunny day for a couple of weeks. > --Some others have flowers that last for about three days, give or take. > Usually there's only one flower open at a time, but the plants may have > branched stems, and usually multiple buds at the end of each branch. So you > get flowers for a couple of weeks. > > The hybrids I'm growing are almost all the three days kind. Some species > have more branches on the stem, and more buds per branch, so I think it'll > be possible to extend the blooming period a bit, and to get more flowers > per > plant. > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From wpoulsen@pacbell.net Wed, 25 Sep 2019 18:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Lee Poulsen Subject: UPU extraordinary congress this week - update Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 17:23:37 -0700 So it looks like a last-minute deal was agreed to and the U.S. will stay in the UPU. Yay! “U.S. Will Remain in Postal Treaty After Emergency Talks” --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m > On Sep 24, 2019, at 11:01 PM, Lee Poulsen wrote: > > The Universal Postal Union is holding its third ever “extraordinary congress” this week to discuss the U.S. request/threat to change the way international rates are set. The UPU Secretary General is very optimistic that a deal will be reached. I hope so since the alternative described in these two articles from today is pretty awful for us Americans: > > "World postal union rejects Trump’s favored reform plan” > > > "A 'nightmare scenario' if Trump pulls US out of global postal union, agency warns” > > > I haven’t yet ordered all the seeds from abroad that I have my eyes on, so maybe I should soon in case things turn out badly? > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From info@massonia.com Thu, 26 Sep 2019 01:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <5818e91d-7e88-cefe-b8e2-599ca2cfd244@massonia.com> From: Massonia Subject: Massonia page updated in the wiki of the Pacific Bulb Society Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 09:51:35 +0200 Dear all Since today we have a new version of the Massonia page in the PBS wiki. Last days I have been trying to bring the Massonia section a bit in line with all taxonomic work done over the last 6 years on this interesting genus. Most currently known species are now listed, and some missing ones will be added later on when more photographic material will be available. And for sure new species will be described in the coming years. Hopefully it will make life easier for those trying to put a name on their pretty bulbs. Certainly some plant-labels will be re-written here and there. Best wishes Bert -- Bert Zaalberg Vlietweg 26 2323 LC Leiden The Netherlands Tel: +31615513364 web:www.massonia.com email:info@massonia.com facebook:https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001587471181 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Thu, 26 Sep 2019 07:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: UPU extraordinary congress this week - update Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 08:50:43 -0500 Thanks much Lee on keeping us all aware of this. The end results may actually be more equitable and reasonable than the current system, but everyone will probably end up paying more. On a similar note. I order 50 tree peonies frmo China for delivery this week, but was notified that the Chinese Phytosanitary Inspection office would not issue any certificates and thus NO EXPORTS) to the US due to ’Sino-US trade’ disagreements. This is a big disappointment for us and is no doubt a potential problem for many fall plant sales to others. in the US Best Jim W. On Sep 25, 2019, at 7:23 PM, Lee Poulsen wrote: So it looks like a last-minute deal was agreed to and the U.S. will stay in the UPU. Yay! “U.S. Will Remain in Postal Treaty After Emergency Talks” --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m Dr. James Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 USA Phone 816-746-1949 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From david@davidpilling.com Thu, 26 Sep 2019 07:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <6ae9a656-da5d-f313-c2a5-46c3a8e34c04@davidpilling.com> From: David Pilling Subject: Massonia page updated in the wiki of the Pacific Bulb Society Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 14:52:00 +0100 Hi, On 26/09/2019 08:51, Massonia wrote: > Since today we have a new version of the Massonia page in the PBS wiki. Here: https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Massonia (or: https://bit.ly/2lj6a2U ) > Last days I have been trying to bring the Massonia section a bit in line Thank you for your work on the wiki page and excellent photos. -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From wpoulsen@pacbell.net Thu, 26 Sep 2019 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <6F38E68C-795D-4E6E-9B97-54A297204371@pacbell.net> From: Lee Poulsen Subject: Massonia page updated in the wiki of the Pacific Bulb Society Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 13:56:20 -0700 Speaking of new versions of PBS wiki genus pages… I haven’t seen anyone mention it here yet, but a recently published paper is proposing huge changes to the Hippeastreae tribe (or havoc depending on which side of the fence you’re on). It’s based on all kinds of DNA sequencing data as well as morphological and cytogenetic information. And there is a whole lot of “lumping” involved. I think it’s bigger than when all the current Moraea subgenera got lumped together. The paper is “Generic classification of Amaryllidaceae tribe Hippeastreae” by Nicolás García, Alan W. Meerow, Silvia Arroyo-Leuenberger, Renata S. Oliveira, Julie H. Dutilh, Pamela S. Soltis & Walter S. Judd (a bunch of heavyweights in there). The key takeaways I think are as follows. Two subtribes: Traubiinae Hippeastrinae Traubiinae contains the following genera: Traubia Phycella Rhodolirium Eremolirion Placea has been subsumed into Phycella. The former Rhodophiala has been completely dissected into other genera or subgenera (some new, some not) and between the two tribes. In fact, firstly Rhodophiala should have been Myostemma all along it turns out. Rhodolirium consists of Rhodophiala andicola, chilensis, pratensis, and rhodolirion. Eremolirion consists of Rhodophiala laeta. OK, you may want to sit down (or hold onto your hats, or any other metaphor that is appropriate) for the other subtribe. Hippeastrinae contains (only) the following two genera: Hippeastrum Zephyranthes Hippeastrum consists of Hippeastrum (including Eusarcops) and Tocantinia. Zephyranthes consists of the following subgenera: Zephyranthes Habranthus Eithea Neorhodophiala Myostemma plus one species that doesn’t fit into any of these: Zephyranthes pedunculosa (Habranthus pedunculosus) And here is what goes in those subgenera: Habranthus: H. estensis, H. gracilifolius, and H. jamesonii. Eithea: all the former Eithea species. Neorhodophiala: Rhodophiala bifida (now Zephyranthes bifida). Myostemma: all the remaining Chilean Rhodophiala not contained in subtribe Traubiinae. Zephyranthes: everything else! (All the species that were already in Zephyranthes, the remaining Habranthus, Haylockia, and Sprekelia) I think the paper said the new classification will result in around 100 Zephyranthes species. It turns out that subgenera Habranthus and Myostemma are sister subgenera. And that pair is next closely related to subgenus Eithea. I find it interesting that the distinguishing features among the whole host of Zephyranthes species are delineated by (and hidden within) the subgenera classifications. And the paper actually states that it’s a good thing to place all the distinctions as subgenus names *because* the subgenus name is not listed in the scientific binomial name. (This is why I’m still annoyed with the Moraea lumping—now I have to go look up the subgenera clades to see which species are grouped together because they’re more closely related to each other.) But even though I’m not in the splitter camp, I grow things so I like to whine about this particular problem. Aren’t DNA sequencing results fun?! 🙂 --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m > On Sep 26, 2019, at 12:51 AM, Massonia wrote: > > Dear all > > Since today we have a new version of the Massonia page in the PBS wiki. > > Last days I have been trying to bring the Massonia section a bit in line with all taxonomic work done over the last 6 years on this interesting genus. > Most currently known species are now listed, and some missing ones will be added later on when more photographic material will be available. And for sure new species will be described in the coming years. > > Hopefully it will make life easier for those trying to put a name on their pretty bulbs. Certainly some plant-labels will be re-written here and there. > > Best wishes > > Bert _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From wpoulsen@pacbell.net Thu, 26 Sep 2019 16:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <0E5BF11F-032C-4BDF-BE66-1AE256571AEF@pacbell.net> From: Lee Poulsen Subject: Rhodophiala, Sprekelia, Eithea, Habranthus all lumped into Zephyranthes Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 16:11:49 -0700 (Re-sending with new subject line) Speaking of new versions of PBS wiki genus pages… I haven’t seen anyone mention it here yet, but a recently published paper is proposing huge changes to the Hippeastreae tribe (or havoc depending on which side of the fence you’re on). It’s based on all kinds of DNA sequencing data as well as morphological and cytogenetic information. And there is a whole lot of “lumping” involved. I think it’s bigger than when all the current Moraea subgenera got lumped together. The paper is “Generic classification of Amaryllidaceae tribe Hippeastreae” by Nicolás García, Alan W. Meerow, Silvia Arroyo-Leuenberger, Renata S. Oliveira, Julie H. Dutilh, Pamela S. Soltis & Walter S. Judd (a bunch of heavyweights in there). The key takeaways I think are as follows. Two subtribes: Traubiinae Hippeastrinae Traubiinae contains the following genera: Traubia Phycella Rhodolirium Eremolirion Placea has been subsumed into Phycella. The former Rhodophiala has been completely dissected into other genera or subgenera (some new, some not) and between the two tribes. In fact, firstly Rhodophiala should have been Myostemma all along it turns out. Rhodolirium consists of Rhodophiala andicola, chilensis, pratensis, and rhodolirion. Eremolirion consists of Rhodophiala laeta. OK, you may want to sit down (or hold onto your hats, or any other metaphor that is appropriate) for the other subtribe. Hippeastrinae contains (only) the following two genera: Hippeastrum Zephyranthes Hippeastrum consists of Hippeastrum (including Eusarcops) and Tocantinia. Zephyranthes consists of the following subgenera: Zephyranthes Habranthus Eithea Neorhodophiala Myostemma plus one species that doesn’t fit into any of these: Zephyranthes pedunculosa (Habranthus pedunculosus) And here is what goes in those subgenera: Habranthus: H. estensis, H. gracilifolius, and H. jamesonii. Eithea: all the former Eithea species. Neorhodophiala: Rhodophiala bifida (now Zephyranthes bifida). Myostemma: all the remaining Chilean Rhodophiala not contained in subtribe Traubiinae. Zephyranthes: everything else! (All the species that were already in Zephyranthes, the remaining Habranthus, Haylockia, and Sprekelia) I think the paper said the new classification will result in around 100 Zephyranthes species. It turns out that subgenera Habranthus and Myostemma are sister subgenera. And that pair is next closely related to subgenus Eithea. I find it interesting that the distinguishing features among the whole host of Zephyranthes species are delineated by (and hidden within) the subgenera classifications. And the paper actually states that it’s a good thing to place all the distinctions as subgenus names *because* the subgenus name is not listed in the scientific binomial name. (This is why I’m still annoyed with the Moraea lumping—now I have to go look up the subgenera clades to see which species are grouped together because they’re more closely related to each other.) But even though I’m not in the splitter camp, I grow things so I like to whine about this particular problem. Aren’t DNA sequencing results fun?! 🙂 --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m > On Sep 26, 2019, at 12:51 AM, Massonia wrote: > > Dear all > > Since today we have a new version of the Massonia page in the PBS wiki. > > Last days I have been trying to bring the Massonia section a bit in line with all taxonomic work done over the last 6 years on this interesting genus. > Most currently known species are now listed, and some missing ones will be added later on when more photographic material will be available. And for sure new species will be described in the coming years. > > Hopefully it will make life easier for those trying to put a name on their pretty bulbs. Certainly some plant-labels will be re-written here and there. > > Best wishes > > Bert _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From agriplant@japancongress.com Mon, 30 Sep 2019 05:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <0101016d71d350d7-8b389fec-03d7-40ab-8345-d13e1b10fbe6-000000@us-west-2.amazonses.com> From: "Agriculture Congress" Subject: Share your research and expertise @ Agriculture Congress and Plant Science Congress Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 08:25:37 +0000 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 27 Sep 2019 03:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: youngs via pbs Subject: Latest issue of free e-magazine online Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 10:31:16 +0100 Not so  many  bulbs this  month in the  IRG e-magazine - but enough to tempt  you, we  hope! It is a pleasure this month to publish the description of a viola named for one of the greatly missed personalities of plant-hunting.  This article, as the viola, is from South America, described by John Watson who fondly remembers his travels with Martyn Cheese in “days gone by”. It is exciting for us to publish such articles with  open access to bring such knowledge to a wide  audience and, we  hope, a fitting memorial to John’s  lost friend. Plus a  renaming  of another  viola - with  rather  an odd twist! Kind thanks to all who take the  time  and  trouble  to contact the IRG team to give  us  your  reaction to the magazine’s contents. These, and submissions of articles, are always  welcome – by email, please, to editor@internationalrockgardener.net   We look forward to hearing  from you. Back to this  issue – where Zdeněk Zvolánek introduces some plants from the Estonian garden of the charming  gardener and traveller, Svetlana Polonskaja, and  she herself  comments on some  of her  favourite plants in her rock garden.  To finish this month we have a report from  Zdeněk Zvolánek about the Beauty  Slope during a  hot  summer. Download and read the  IRG 117 here : http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2019Sep261569525649IRG117.pdf  Kind regards,  M. Young. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From michaelcmace@gmail.com Fri, 27 Sep 2019 09:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <077b01d57549$9047baa0$b0d72fe0$@gmail.com> From: Subject: Subject: Re: UPU extraordinary congress this week - update Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 08:38:06 -0700 Lee, thanks so much for keeping us up to date on this! Mike _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 27 Sep 2019 17:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1900655973.458646.1569628598626@mail.yahoo.com> From: piaba via pbs Subject: Rhodophiala, Sprekelia, Eithea, Habranthus all lumped into Zephyranthes Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 23:56:38 +0000 (UTC) https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/tax.12062 ======== tsuh yang  On Friday, September 27, 2019, 8:00:29 AM EDT, pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net wrote: Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 16:11:49 -0700 From: Lee Poulsen To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: [pbs] Rhodophiala, Sprekelia, Eithea, Habranthus all lumped     into Zephyranthes Speaking of new versions of PBS wiki genus pages? I haven?t seen anyone mention it here yet, but a recently published paper is proposing huge changes to the Hippeastreae tribe (or havoc depending on which side of the fence you?re on). It?s based on all kinds of DNA sequencing data as well as morphological and cytogenetic information. And there is a whole lot of ?lumping? involved. I think it?s bigger than when all the current Moraea subgenera got lumped together. The paper is ?Generic classification of Amaryllidaceae tribe Hippeastreae? by Nicol?s Garc?a, Alan W. Meerow, Silvia Arroyo-Leuenberger, Renata S. Oliveira, Julie H. Dutilh, Pamela S. Soltis & Walter S. Judd (a bunch of heavyweights in there). The key takeaways I think are as follows. Two subtribes: Traubiinae Hippeastrinae Traubiinae contains the following genera: Traubia Phycella Rhodolirium Eremolirion Placea has been subsumed into Phycella. The former Rhodophiala has been completely dissected into other genera or subgenera (some new, some not) and between the two tribes. In fact, firstly Rhodophiala should have been Myostemma all along it turns out. Rhodolirium consists of Rhodophiala  andicola, chilensis, pratensis, and rhodolirion. Eremolirion consists of Rhodophiala laeta. OK, you may want to sit down (or hold onto your hats, or any other metaphor that is appropriate) for the other subtribe. Hippeastrinae contains (only) the following two genera: Hippeastrum Zephyranthes Hippeastrum consists of Hippeastrum (including Eusarcops) and Tocantinia. Zephyranthes consists of the following subgenera: Zephyranthes Habranthus Eithea Neorhodophiala Myostemma plus one species that doesn?t fit into any of these: Zephyranthes pedunculosa (Habranthus pedunculosus) And here is what goes in those subgenera: Habranthus: H. estensis, H. gracilifolius, and H. jamesonii. Eithea: all the former Eithea species. Neorhodophiala: Rhodophiala bifida (now Zephyranthes bifida). Myostemma: all the remaining Chilean Rhodophiala not contained in subtribe Traubiinae. Zephyranthes: everything else! (All the species that were already in Zephyranthes, the remaining Habranthus, Haylockia, and Sprekelia) I think the paper said the new classification will result in around 100 Zephyranthes species. It turns out that subgenera Habranthus and Myostemma are sister subgenera. And that pair is next closely related to subgenus Eithea. I find it interesting that the distinguishing features among the whole host of Zephyranthes species are delineated by (and hidden within) the subgenera classifications. And the paper actually states that it?s a good thing to place all the distinctions as subgenus names *because* the subgenus name is not listed in the scientific binomial name. (This is why I?m still annoyed with the Moraea lumping?now I have to go look up the subgenera clades to see which species are grouped together because they?re more closely related to each other.) But even though I?m not in the splitter camp, I grow things so I like to whine about this particular problem. Aren?t DNA sequencing results fun?!  ? --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34?N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From eez55@earthlink.net Fri, 27 Sep 2019 18:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <95973254.2821.1569633227426@wamui-pluto.atl.sa.earthlink.net> From: Eugene Zielinski Subject: Latest issue of free e-magazine online Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 18:13:47 -0700 (GMT-07:00) I would strongly recommend to anyone interested in the flora and scenery of Chile -- take a look at this issue! The pictures accompanying John Watson's article are wonderful. There's also an illustrated article on the expansion of the genus Zephyranthes, mentioned in Lee Poulsen's e mail a day or so ago. Eugene Zielinski Prescott Valley, Arizona USA -----Original Message----- >From: youngs via pbs >Sent: Sep 27, 2019 2:31 AM >To: PBS lists >Cc: youngs >Subject: [pbs] Latest issue of free e-magazine online > >Not so many bulbs this month in the IRG e-magazine - but enough to >tempt you, we hope! > >It is a pleasure this month to publish the description of a viola named >for one of the greatly missed personalities of plant-hunting. This >article, as the viola, is from South America, described by John Watson >who fondly remembers his travels with Martyn Cheese in “days gone by”. >It is exciting for us to publish such articles with open access to >bring such knowledge to a wide audience and, we hope, a fitting >memorial to John’s lost friend. Plus a renaming of another viola - >with rather an odd twist! > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From greg@alpacamanagement.com Fri, 27 Sep 2019 20:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Greg Ruckert Subject: Rhodophiala, Sprekelia, Eithea, Habranthus all lumped into Zephyranthes Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 12:06:58 +0930 I would be a bit cautious about jumping to conclusions about this one, a friend of mine has already identified errors in the paper. Same person who identified the error in Duncan's Monograph of Lachenalia. All these papers are supposed to be peer reviewed and I think some of the peer reviewers are getting sloppy. Names are not even printed in accordance with the code. Greg Ruckert The Passionate Plantsman On 28/09/2019 9:26 am, piaba via pbs wrote: > https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/tax.12062 > > > > ======== tsuh yang > > On Friday, September 27, 2019, 8:00:29 AM EDT, pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net wrote: > > Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 16:11:49 -0700 > From: Lee Poulsen > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: [pbs] Rhodophiala, Sprekelia, Eithea, Habranthus all lumped >     into Zephyranthes > > > Speaking of new versions of PBS wiki genus pages? > > I haven?t seen anyone mention it here yet, but a recently published paper is proposing huge changes to the Hippeastreae tribe (or havoc depending on which side of the fence you?re on). It?s based on all kinds of DNA sequencing data as well as morphological and cytogenetic information. And there is a whole lot of ?lumping? involved. I think it?s bigger than when all the current Moraea subgenera got lumped together. The paper is ?Generic classification of Amaryllidaceae tribe Hippeastreae? by Nicol?s Garc?a, Alan W. Meerow, Silvia Arroyo-Leuenberger, Renata S. Oliveira, Julie H. Dutilh, Pamela S. Soltis & Walter S. Judd (a bunch of heavyweights in there). > > The key takeaways I think are as follows. > > Two subtribes: > Traubiinae > Hippeastrinae > > Traubiinae contains the following genera: > Traubia > Phycella > Rhodolirium > Eremolirion > > > Placea has been subsumed into Phycella. > The former Rhodophiala has been completely dissected into other genera or subgenera (some new, some not) and between the two tribes. In fact, firstly Rhodophiala should have been Myostemma all along it turns out. > Rhodolirium consists of Rhodophiala  andicola, chilensis, pratensis, and rhodolirion. > Eremolirion consists of Rhodophiala laeta. > > > OK, you may want to sit down (or hold onto your hats, or any other metaphor that is appropriate) for the other subtribe. > > Hippeastrinae contains (only) the following two genera: > Hippeastrum > Zephyranthes > > > Hippeastrum consists of Hippeastrum (including Eusarcops) and Tocantinia. > > Zephyranthes consists of the following subgenera: > Zephyranthes > Habranthus > Eithea > Neorhodophiala > Myostemma > plus one species that doesn?t fit into any of these: Zephyranthes pedunculosa (Habranthus pedunculosus) > > And here is what goes in those subgenera: > Habranthus: H. estensis, H. gracilifolius, and H. jamesonii. > Eithea: all the former Eithea species. > Neorhodophiala: Rhodophiala bifida (now Zephyranthes bifida). > Myostemma: all the remaining Chilean Rhodophiala not contained in subtribe Traubiinae. > Zephyranthes: everything else! (All the species that were already in Zephyranthes, the remaining Habranthus, Haylockia, and Sprekelia) > > I think the paper said the new classification will result in around 100 Zephyranthes species. > > It turns out that subgenera Habranthus and Myostemma are sister subgenera. And that pair is next closely related to subgenus Eithea. > > > I find it interesting that the distinguishing features among the whole host of Zephyranthes species are delineated by (and hidden within) the subgenera classifications. And the paper actually states that it?s a good thing to place all the distinctions as subgenus names *because* the subgenus name is not listed in the scientific binomial name. (This is why I?m still annoyed with the Moraea lumping?now I have to go look up the subgenera clades to see which species are grouped together because they?re more closely related to each other.) But even though I?m not in the splitter camp, I grow things so I like to whine about this particular problem. > > Aren?t DNA sequencing results fun?!  ? > > --Lee Poulsen > Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a > Latitude 34?N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sat, 28 Sep 2019 13:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Rhodophiala, Sprekelia, Eithea, Habranthus all lumped into Zephyranthes Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 12:45:28 -0700 Thanks to Lee Poulsen for his synopsis of the recent proposed revision in American Amaryllidaceae. I'll see if I can access the paper itself but probably not. Some of the details Lee listed make intuitive sense to me. (Despite the title of the thread, I can't see that Rhodophiala has been subsumed under Zephyranthes.) Eremolirion is a rather nice name for Rhodophiala laeta ("sand lily"), though its habitat is not as sandy as that of several others. As for Myostemma, I'm not relabeling my Rhodophiala photos yet but will keep it in mind. Even though I can't grow these plants, I love to see them in nature. Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA On 9/27/2019 7:36 PM, Greg Ruckert wrote: > I would be a bit cautious about jumping to conclusions about this one, > a friend of mine has already identified errors in the paper. Same > person who identified the error in Duncan's Monograph of Lachenalia. > > All these papers are supposed to be peer reviewed and I think some of > the peer reviewers are getting sloppy. Names are not even printed in > accordance with the code. > > Greg Ruckert > > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From erik@tepuidesign.com Sat, 28 Sep 2019 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Erik Van Lennep Subject: Rhodophiala, Sprekelia, Eithea, Habranthus all lumped into Zephyranthes Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 22:26:42 +0200 Here you go.... On Sat, 28 Sep 2019 at 21:35, Jane McGary wrote: > Thanks to Lee Poulsen for his synopsis of the recent proposed revision > in American Amaryllidaceae. I'll see if I can access the paper itself > but probably not. Some of the details Lee listed make intuitive sense to > me. (Despite the title of the thread, I can't see that Rhodophiala has > been subsumed under Zephyranthes.) Eremolirion is a rather nice name for > Rhodophiala laeta ("sand lily"), though its habitat is not as sandy as > that of several others. As for Myostemma, I'm not relabeling my > Rhodophiala photos yet but will keep it in mind. Even though I can't > grow these plants, I love to see them in nature. > > Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA > > On 9/27/2019 7:36 PM, Greg Ruckert wrote: > > I would be a bit cautious about jumping to conclusions about this one, > > a friend of mine has already identified errors in the paper. Same > > person who identified the error in Duncan's Monograph of Lachenalia. > > > > All these papers are supposed to be peer reviewed and I think some of > > the peer reviewers are getting sloppy. Names are not even printed in > > accordance with the code. > > > > Greg Ruckert > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sat, 28 Sep 2019 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <995274856.500209.1569702974507@mail.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney via pbs Subject: Rhodophiala, Sprekelia, Eithea, Habranthus all lumped into Zephyranthes Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 20:36:14 +0000 (UTC) Jane wrote: "I can't see that Rhodophiala has  been subsumed under Zephyranthes.) Eremolirion is a rather nice name for  Rhodophiala laeta ("sand lily"), though its habitat is not as sandy as  that of several others. " I think it is only our old friend Rh. bifida which is now a Zephyranthes.And a better translation of Eremolirion would be desert lily or wilderness lily. One way of doing "sand lily" in Greek is "ammolirion", but that has already been used for some Eremurus ( from desert and tail). Jim McKenney man/listinfo/pbs | | | | pbs Info Page | | | _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From david@davidpilling.com Sat, 28 Sep 2019 15:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: David Pilling Subject: IRG Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 22:47:06 +0100 Hi, On Friday Maggi Young posted here about the latest IRG Anyway a number of hosts bounced that message as spam (you won't have seen it on, bigpond, bt.com, arcor.de, wandadoo.fr, orange.fr). If you want to read the message consult the PBS list archive: https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbslist/2019-September/k0001d3rk3f14c4fcsmk2msrf2.html Short form: https://bit.ly/2lWnET1 -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sun, 29 Sep 2019 13:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <516ce8bc-9c2c-c405-f19e-94497808139c@earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: Seed donation time Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 12:38:50 -0700 The PBS's popular BX offers seeds as well as bulbs, and now is the time (in the Northern Hemisphere, at least) to donate seeds. I just got mine ready to mail to both PBS and NARGS (PBS got the rarer ones, of course!). I hope others will participate and that we'll have an especially good seed list this fall. The address for the manager: Albert Stella, 2712 Knowles St., Raleigh, NC, 27603, USA. Please remember to tape your seed envelopes at both ends, rather than depending on the adhesive that comes with them. As intake manager for the NARGS exchange for 3 years, I opened far too many mailers to find a residue of mixed seeds that had leaked out. Also, if you're sending seeds that contain a lot of moisture, such as Paeonia, the moisture will loosen the glue that holds a paper envelope together, causing the envelope to fall apart, so these are best sent in a moisture-proof packet of some kind. Members are particularly eager to obtain seed of species that can be grown in temperate or even cold-winter regions without a heated greenhouse. Many people join PBS to obtain bulbs, but are disappointed when the BX doesn't satisfy them. Please consider growing your geophytes from seed. I seem to recall that an article I wrote for NARGS on the subject was on the PBS website at one time; if it's not there now, I can resubmit it. With a little patience (or, in some cases, a lot), you can raise several clones of a rare species and begin to harvest seeds from them. Eventually you'll be able to share with others. I've even sent seeds answering requests from botanic gardens and preserves. About 85% of my collection was originally grown from seed, much of it collected in the wild by the plant explorers to whom we owe so much (see the "Sources" page on the PBS website for information on seed lists). Thanks for contributing! Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA/PBS Membership Coordinator _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sun, 29 Sep 2019 13:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <03801b09-3d95-810d-bb27-ff4a9dfccb74@earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: New members get a bonus Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 12:42:17 -0700 As of October 1, people newly joining PBS receive paid membership for the remainder of 2019 and all of 2020. If you subscribe to this list but haven't invested in a paid membership, this is the best time of year to do that. Dues-paying members receive a printed quarterly, color-illustrated newsletter and the privilege of ordering items from the Bulb and Seed Exchange (BX). Visit the PBS website and go to the "Membership" page to find out how to join. Best wishes, Jane McGary, Membership Coordinator _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From garak@code-garak.de Sun, 29 Sep 2019 14:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <68085a54-f8cf-0319-b919-b0eafaccfac4@code-garak.de> From: Garak Subject: Rhodophiala, Sprekelia, Eithea, Habranthus all lumped into Zephyranthes Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 22:54:39 +0200 Hi all, As I can't access the full text, I have to refer to the IRG-newsletter, which also states that a lot of Rhodophialas have become Zephyranthes. Now while I can accept a lot of that lumping together, as some of the classic morphological differences (flower count and angle) may be reversible on-and-off switch genes like flower symmetry in Irids (e.g. Iris domestica or the simple-structured types of moraea), the one thing that puzzles me is Sprekelia as Zephyranthes - I had expected that one to end up in Hippeastrum as readily as they hybridize. Does that mean we should be able to cross a lot more Zephiranthes into Hippeastrums? Martin Am 28.09.2019 um 22:36 schrieb Jim McKenney via pbs: > Jane wrote: "I can't see that Rhodophiala has > been subsumed under Zephyranthes.) Eremolirion is a rather nice name for > Rhodophiala laeta ("sand lily"), though its habitat is not as sandy as > that of several others. " > I think it is only our old friend Rh. bifida which is now a Zephyranthes.And a better translation of Eremolirion would be desert lily or wilderness lily. One way of doing "sand lily" in Greek is "ammolirion", but that has already been used for some Eremurus ( from desert and tail). > Jim McKenney > man/listinfo/pbs > -- Martin ---------------------------------------------- Southern Germany Likely zone 7a _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From david@davidpilling.com Mon, 30 Sep 2019 06:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <46342399-cd97-50d0-ce00-48abd6fa9164@davidpilling.com> From: David Pilling Subject: Share your research and expertise @ Agriculture Congress and Plant Science Congress Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 12:47:24 +0100 Hi everyone, The post with the above subject came through as blank. The contents are below. ================================================================ Dear Sir/Madam It is with great pleasure that we welcome you to attend the International Conference on Agriculture and Plant Science during February 24-25, 2020 Tokyo, Japan. Benefits of Attending All accepted abstracts will be published in the respective Journals Each abstract will receive a DOI provided by Cross Ref Chance of B2B meeting Opportunity to organize Workshop/Symposium For more details of scientific sessions and submission of abstract, please visit the below link: https://biocoreconferences.com/agriculture-plant-science/abstract_submission.php We would like to thank you in advance for your scientific contribution to Agriculture and Plant Science Congress With Regards Organizing Committee Members Agriculture and Plant Science Congress Email: agriculture.biocore@gmail.com URL: https://biocoreconferences.com/agriculture-plant-science/index.php -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From nickplummer@gmail.com Mon, 30 Sep 2019 06:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Nicholas plummer Subject: Share your research and expertise @ Agriculture Congress and Plant Science Congress Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 09:02:18 -0400 I get enough spam from dubious scientific conferences and journals through my work email. I hope the PBS list isn't going to become another source. Nick _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From david@davidpilling.com Mon, 30 Sep 2019 10:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: David Pilling Subject: Share your research and expertise @ Agriculture Congress and Plant Science Congress Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 17:50:17 +0100 Hi Nicholas, On 30/09/2019 14:02, Nicholas plummer wrote: > I get enough spam from dubious scientific conferences and journals through > my work email. I hope the PBS list isn't going to become another source. If that is the general feeling, then no. My mistake in forwarding it to the list. -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs From kathleen.sayce@gmail.com Mon, 30 Sep 2019 14:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Kathleen Sayce Subject: Zephyrathes taxonomic updates Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 13:59:12 -0700 I’ve been reading about the taxonomic updates to Zephyranthes / Habranthus / Rhodophiala, etc., as conveyed by several messages on this list, and realized that the species mentioned this group that I grow share an "edibility trait”—they are collectively attractive to native voles here in the coastal Pacific Northwest. Thus I can grow them only under full protection (wire mesh on all sides). Which has left me wondering why I even try to grow them. While I enjoy their flowers, I’m tired of the constant need for vigilance. Last spring a bit of ivy jammed its way under a mesh frame, and before I found and removed it, voles had wiggled into that wire frame, and again, eaten down all the leaves on all the Zephyranthes / Habranthus / Rhodophiala inside. [They are tough, and survived to put out new leaves and flower during summer.] I wonder if there’s interest in these bulbs for the BX. In which case, I’m inclined to pack all of them up for the PBS BX, so they can go live in places where they can be outside, and not constantly behind bars. Kathleen _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs