Let’s not discuss sex, religion or POLITICS in the Pacific Bulb Society online communications. Cynthia W Mueller > On Sep 12, 2019, at 10:17 AM, George Nauyok <gnsanfrancisco@hotmail.com> wrote: > > For all those who voted for Trump, I hope you're proud of that action. Yet ANOTHER outrage of this administration. > george > ________________________________ > From: pbs <pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> on behalf of pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net <pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 5:00 AM > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 31, Issue 13 > > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//… > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > List-Archive:<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//… > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (Lee Poulsen) > 2. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (penstemon) > 3. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (Lee Poulsen) > 4. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > (Randall P. Linke) > 5. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > (David Pilling) > 6. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (penstemon) > 7. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (M Robertson) > 8. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (Lee Poulsen) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 15:01:10 -0700 > From: Lee Poulsen <wpoulsen@pacbell.net> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: <9E9E1F96-D31D-4C71-91D8-35B1E031ABD5@pacbell.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Sure, go right ahead. I don?t know if this is happening to others. > > ?Lee > >> On Sep 10, 2019, at 11:08 AM, Rick Buell via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: >> >> May I quote this info on other gardening sites I'm on? Thanks! Rick Buell > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:00:51 -0600 > From: penstemon <penstemon@q.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: <06.69.09645.2AC797D5@smtp03.onyx.dfw.sync.lan> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > >> Sure, go right ahead. I don?t know if this is happening to others. > > This may all become moot if the U.S. withdraws from the Universal Post Union next month. > > > Bob Nold > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:01:57 -0700 > From: Lee Poulsen <wpoulsen@pacbell.net> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: <C121DC2F-312A-4726-B0BA-C663C770A5B5@pacbell.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Bob Nold, did you really have to make us aware of this possibility? ? I literally had no idea this was a thing. When I read your sentence, I thought it was a joke. The UPU is old; it?s been around forever. (Just read that it is the second oldest international organization.) Literally *everyone* belongs to it (or is associated with a member nation that does belong?these nonmembers are typically very small or there is some political issue with their status, and there are very few of them). > > This organization has allowed for the smooth operation of international mail since 1874. I cannot believe this is happening. > > --Lee Poulsen > Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a > Latitude 34?N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m > >> On Sep 11, 2019, at 4:00 PM, penstemon <penstemon@Q.com> wrote: >> >> >>> Sure, go right ahead. I don?t know if this is happening to others. >> >> This may all become moot if the U.S. withdraws from the Universal Post Union next month. >> >> >> Bob Nold >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:15:38 -0700 > From: "Randall P. Linke" <randysgarden@gmail.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: > <CAOi3jfPjt7e16GNFgZgR8Ga6sUeY_Bekn7U=1dNs=tgfbGLqSQ@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I was surprised as well. Apparently the meeting is in two weeks in Geneva > and if Trump doesn't get his way the US will withdraw in mid October. > >> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 5:02 PM Lee Poulsen <wpoulsen@pacbell.net> wrote: >> >> Bob Nold, did you really have to make us aware of this possibility? ? I >> literally had no idea this was a thing. When I read your sentence, I >> thought it was a joke. The UPU is old; it?s been around forever. (Just read >> that it is the second oldest international organization.) Literally >> *everyone* belongs to it (or is associated with a member nation that does >> belong?these nonmembers are typically very small or there is some political >> issue with their status, and there are very few of them). >> >> This organization has allowed for the smooth operation of international >> mail since 1874. I cannot believe this is happening. >> >> --Lee Poulsen >> Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a >> Latitude 34?N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m >> >>> On Sep 11, 2019, at 4:00 PM, penstemon <penstemon@Q.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Sure, go right ahead. I don?t know if this is happening to others. >>> >>> This may all become moot if the U.S. withdraws from the Universal Post >> Union next month. >>> >>> >>> Bob Nold >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//… >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 01:26:28 +0100 > From: David Pilling <david@davidpilling.com> > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: <c24e7051-dc2a-f464-bae8-c12759f5e00e@davidpilling.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Hi, > >> On 12/09/2019 01:15, Randall P. Linke wrote: >> I was surprised as well. Apparently the meeting is in two weeks in Geneva >> and if Trump doesn't get his way the US will withdraw in mid October. > > Last chance to go on ebay and buy items direct from China at low prices. > > > -- > David Pilling > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//… > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 18:56:06 -0600 > From: penstemon <penstemon@q.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: <E2.DF.11853.5A7997D5@smtp04.onyx.dfw.sync.lan> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Bob Nold, did you really have to make us aware of this possibility? ? I literally had no idea this was a thing. When I read your sentence, I thought it was a joke. The UPU is old; it?s been around forever. > > If I knew, and people who never received seeds or bulbs from overseas learned that I knew and never said anything, I?d be in trouble. > So consider this a public service message. > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//… > > > Bob > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 18:29:16 -0700 > From: M Robertson <dr.mas.roberts@gmail.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: <17117570-124C-4F78-A0B2-03AAEE2C1BA5@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > The Trump Administration is requesting an equal postal rate structure between American companies shipping within the US and Chinese companies shipping to the US. > "White House officials have announced that the Trump Administration will act in accordance with a US State Department recommendation to withdraw from the Universal Postal Union <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//…>, an UN-backed organization founded in 1874 that has governed global postal rates since 1969. This action was recommended to President Trump on the grounds that the UPU currently allows China, among others, to ship products into the US for less than the rate American companies must pay when sending products domestically. In a statement released by the White House <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//… > briefings-statements%2Fstatement-press-secretary-38%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170068699&sdata=wwU%2B0KZuryCzFBhpYSePrzxfl%2FwzeY4%2F4%2FLHpfbe1ys%3D&reserved=0>, it is said that the US plans to exit the union no later than January 1, 2020, in accordance with the withdrawal process outlined in the UPU Constitution. If renegotiations between the US and the UPU of terminal dues are unsuccessful by this date, the US Government > will establish rates of its own, and formally disregard those imposed by the UPU. ? https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//… <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//…> > > Mark > > >> On Sep 11, 2019, at 5:26 PM, David Pilling <david@davidpilling.com> wrote: >> >> >> Hi, >> >>> On 12/09/2019 01:15, Randall P. Linke wrote: >>> I was surprised as well. Apparently the meeting is in two weeks in Geneva >>> and if Trump doesn't get his way the US will withdraw in mid October. >> >> Last chance to go on ebay and buy items direct from China at low prices. >> >> >> -- >> David Pilling >> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//… >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//… > > > > > Mark Robertson, Ph.D. > Pacific Northwest USDA hardiness zone 8a; Sunset climate zone 4 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 21:48:36 -0700 > From: Lee Poulsen <wpoulsen@pacbell.net> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: <ADA5AA2E-A132-4AB5-827F-EBE5CC3433EA@pacbell.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Sorry, Bob. That was meant as a thank you for informing us. Sorry I sounded annoyed; I am. I try to keep on top of all the crazy news that is happening, but this one somehow slipped by me. I was left a little speechless when I googled and read up on it. I collected postage stamps as a kid and they still have a special place in my heart even though I don?t actively collect them these days. I was always proud of the fact that the UPU was one of those rare international treaties/organizations that worked throughout the world and was uniformly approved of for the task it took care of, and that we could send letters and postcards (and seeds!) to and from friends all over the world without any postal problems at all. (Another one is the ICAO which is what makes it such that we can all fly around the world to see each other and each other?s countries and bulbous flowers without a hitch and using common standards everywhere airplanes fly. Also another organization that every country in the w > orld belongs to.) > > No one knows for certain how the U.S. will send and receive mail from other countries if they go through with this. The U.S. has been in the UPU since its inception and in fact the U.S. was the main instigator of setting it up way back when. I read almost as many predictions about what will happen as the number of articles I read?everything from nothing will change at all to the whole international system will fall apart since apparently the U.S. is the major backbone of the current system, and it will become much more expensive to mail things (like seeds!) around the world especially for Americans. So far I haven?t seen anyone suggest it will go back to the pre-UPU method where you had to put the local postage on the envelope for each country the letter would pass through on its route from origin to destination. > > Along with using my seed import permit consistently, I guess I should place all orders for seeds from abroad before January 1st that I intend to get for the next 1.5 or 5.5 years. ;-) > > Thanks for the warning, Bob. > > --Lee Poulsen > Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a > Latitude 34?N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m > >> On Sep 11, 2019, at 5:56 PM, penstemon <penstemon@q.com> wrote: >> >> Bob Nold, did you really have to make us aware of this possibility? ? I literally had no idea this was a thing. When I read your sentence, I thought it was a joke. The UPU is old; it?s been around forever. >> >> If I knew, and people who never received seeds or bulbs from overseas learned that I knew and never said anything, I?d be in trouble. >> So consider this a public service message. >> >> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//… >> >> >> Bob >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//… > > > ------------------------------ > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 31, Issue 13 > *********************************** > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/…