pbs Digest, Vol 38, Issue 31

Patrick Hudnall via pbs pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net
Tue, 28 Apr 2020 08:40:48 PDT
A quick fix I use is just to lean a board against the side of a pot.  Long
term, for gallon pots I just drop them into a slightly larger clay pot
which cools them down at least to air temp.  There is starting to be more
white plastic pots available, but at a cost.
Patrick/ Houston, TX

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>    5. Re: Hot Pots (Diane)
>    6. Re: Hot Pots (Robin Hansen)
>    7. Re: Hot Pots (Judy Glattstein)
>    8. Re: Hot Pots (Mary Sue Ittner)
>    9. Re: Hot Pots (Arnold Trachtenberg)
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> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 00:05:15 +0000
> From: Jim Barton <jimb@customwindowsupply.com>
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> Does anyone grow California native bulbs in 1 gallon black pot in the
> Central Valley of California? The growing medium in my pots is becoming
> much hotter than the native soil where many of my bulbs are planted. Last
> weekend I made a shade structure of ?" gray PVC pipe and shade cloth, in an
> attempt to keep the pots cooler. The heat seem to be drying out the stems
> before they finisher blooming. Any other ideas?
> Jim Barton
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> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 20:14:11 -0400
> From: Judy Glattstein <jgglatt@gmail.com>
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> Spray pots white? If you decide to do this look for a primer for plastic
> surfaces, then use spray paint intended for outdoors.
>
> Maybe line pots with bubble wrap, against inside surface of pot /
> between pot and soil.
>
> Judy in New Jersey where sunshine is a forgotten thing
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> On 4/27/2020 8:05 PM, Jim Barton via pbs wrote:
> > Does anyone grow California native bulbs in 1 gallon black pot in the
> Central Valley of California? The growing medium in my pots is becoming
> much hotter than the native soil where many of my bulbs are planted. Last
> weekend I made a shade structure of ?" gray PVC pipe and shade cloth, in an
> attempt to keep the pots cooler. The heat seem to be drying out the stems
> before they finisher blooming. Any other ideas?
> > Jim Barton
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> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 17:18:42 -0700
> From: "Robin Hansen" <robin@hansennursery.com>
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> Subject: Re: [pbs] Hot Pots
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> Clay or ceramic is about the only alternative but needs more watering.  The
> other way is to put your pots within larger pots and fill in with sand as
> an
> insulator and of course shade cloth.  Just out of curiosity, what kind of
> shade cloth did you use and how did you attach it?  Any chance of a photo
> of
> your design?
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> Robin Hansen
> Soon to be faced with the same problem
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> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 17:30:31 -0700
> From: Frederick Thorne <thorne.fred@gmail.com>
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> Jim, I lived in Live Oak/Yuba City, I used burlap wrapped around the pot.
> When the days were 99/100 degrees, I would spray down the burlap and
> evaporaton
> would cool down the pots. I would do this twice a day, around noon and
> again 4 pm.
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> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020, 5:05 PM Jim Barton via pbs <
> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:
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> > Does anyone grow California native bulbs in 1 gallon black pot in the
> > Central Valley of California? The growing medium in my pots is becoming
> > much hotter than the native soil where many of my bulbs are planted. Last
> > weekend I made a shade structure of ?" gray PVC pipe and shade cloth, in
> an
> > attempt to keep the pots cooler. The heat seem to be drying out the stems
> > before they finisher blooming. Any other ideas?
> > Jim Barton
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> From: Diane <voltaire@islandnet.com>
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> wrap in aluminum foil?  That would be the quickest..
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> From: "Robin Hansen" <robin@hansennursery.com>
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> The various suggestions for avoiding 'hot pots' are good, but I guess my
> question is, with burlap and wetting it twice a day, and some of the other
> suggestions - we might have time now but won't always, or we'll eventually
> get to travel or some of us may not be able for one reason or another to do
> some of the more individualized procedures if we have lots of pots...
>
> Then what? Just curious....
>
> Robin Hansen
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> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 21:47:29 -0400
> From: Judy Glattstein <jgglatt@gmail.com>
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> Plunge pots in a sand bed
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> Judy
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> On 4/27/2020 8:58 PM, Robin Hansen via pbs wrote:
> > The various suggestions for avoiding 'hot pots' are good, but I guess my
> > question is, with burlap and wetting it twice a day, and some of the
> other
> > suggestions - we might have time now but won't always, or we'll
> eventually
> > get to travel or some of us may not be able for one reason or another to
> do
> > some of the more individualized procedures if we have lots of pots...
> >
> > Then what? Just curious....
> >
> > Robin Hansen
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> From: Mary Sue Ittner <msittner@mcn.org>
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> On 4/27/2020 6:47 PM, Judy Glattstein via pbs wrote:
> > Plunge pots in a sand bed
> >
> > Judy
> >
> Many years ago Jim Robinett suggested wood for Calochortus when I was
> not having luck with black plastic pots. My husband created some deep ones.
>
> What I have done also which follows Judy's suggestion is to create
> raised beds, line with hardware cloth and then put deep pots in place
> and like Uli plant several different bulbs that have different storage
> organs in a pot the same size and put those pots in the pots in the bed
> and then surround all of the pots with a sand gravel mix and mulch on
> top. The soil stays a more even temperature and doesn't dry out as much
> and I can easily pull the pots out to repot. I've never understood how
> to pull out pots in a sand bed without having the sand fill the hole.
> There must be a way since a lot of you have them, but the times I've
> accidentally pulled out both pots it has been really difficult to get
> the base pot back in its spot. Also I have a few pots directly in the
> ground that are also in pots the same size. Living in the redwoods
> however I do have to pull out the pots every year to keep the redwood
> roots out. They go through the sand-gravel mix looking for better soil
> and make their way through the drainage holes and create a nest in the
> pots. If I have trouble pulling out the pot it is almost always because
> of the redwood roots. I cut back any roots I find and repot if
> necessary, but otherwise just put the pot back in its slot.
>
> Mary Sue
>
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> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 02:19:47 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Arnold Trachtenberg <arnold140@verizon.net>
> To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Hot Pots
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> Mary Sue:
> Wow, I can imagine fighting redwood roots.
> I wet my plunge just before I want to pull out a pot and it helps keeping
> the sand in place.
> A more labor intensive option on controlling redwood roots is borrowed
> from bamboo growers.
> They install a vertical shield next to the bamboo bed down a number of
> feet and this seems to prevent the bamboo shoots from popping up all over
> the place.
> Arnold?New Jersey
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> On 4/27/2020 6:47 PM, Judy Glattstein via pbs wrote:
> > Plunge pots in a sand bed
> >
> > Judy
> >
> Many years ago Jim Robinett suggested wood for Calochortus when I was
> not having luck with black plastic pots. My husband created some deep ones.
>
> What I have done also which follows Judy's suggestion is to create
> raised beds, line with hardware cloth and then put deep pots in place
> and like Uli plant several different bulbs that have different storage
> organs in a pot the same size and put those pots in the pots in the bed
> and then surround all of the pots with a sand gravel mix and mulch on
> top. The soil stays a more even temperature and doesn't dry out as much
> and I can easily pull the pots out to repot. I've never understood how
> to pull out pots in a sand bed without having the sand fill the hole.
> There must be a way since a lot of you have them, but the times I've
> accidentally pulled out both pots it has been really difficult to get
> the base pot back in its spot. Also I have a few pots directly in the
> ground that are also in pots the same size. Living in the redwoods
> however I do have to pull out the pots every year to keep the redwood
> roots out. They go through the sand-gravel mix looking for better soil
> and make their way through the drainage holes and create a nest in the
> pots. If I have trouble pulling out the pot it is almost always because
> of the redwood roots. I cut back any roots I find and repot if
> necessary, but otherwise just put the pot back in its slot.
>
> Mary Sue
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> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 21:20:19 -0600
> From: <penstemon@q.com>
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> > Then what? Just curious....
>
> There are three bulb frames here, the purpose of which is to (hopefully)
> increase bulbs I have purchased, before planting them into the garden.
> All three frames are more or less sitting on top of the soil in the hottest
> part of the garden. Winter protection is in the form of three or four
> sheets
> of opaque plastic, removed on hot days. It's not much protection.
> The bulbs are grown in gallon plastic pots filled with heavy clay (the kind
> of stuff gardening books warn you about) plus pea gravel or perlite, and
> plunged into the same kind of "soil". The plunge material, if you want to
> call it that, is about 20 cm deep.
> The largest of the frames has colchicums, weird bellevalias, frits
> including
> a few Californians, some Californian calochortus, and so on.
> Nothing bad happens. And considering the general awfulness of the climate
> here, that's something.
> The only exception is with pots in which there is too much organic matter;
> that's invariably fatal, as sand would be, too. The garden here rarely
> receives enough precipitation at any time other than early spring to do the
> bulbs any good, so I water the pots from time to time in the summer and
> autumn.
>
> Bob Nold
> Denver, Colorado
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