I’ll echo Jim’s comments about Kurita’s work, which is by far the best and most complete work on lycoris. Not only was he a brilliant scientist, but he also grew and hybridized lycoris. Below is a summary of Kurita’s work, for anyone else as obsessed by the genus Kurita, Siro 2004 Chromosome science 8(4), 132, 2004-10-01 Species Evolution by Hybridization in the genus Lycoris, Amaryllidaceae Kurita, Siro 1986a Cytologia 51: 803-815 Variation and evolution in the karyotype of Lycoris , Amaryllidaceae (I) General karyomorphological characteristics of the genus Kurita, Siro 1987b Cytologia 52: 117-128, 1987 Variation and Evolution in the Karyotype of Lycoris Amaryllidaceae III, Intraspecific variation in the karyotype of L. traubii Hayward Kurita, Siro 1987c Cytologia 52: 137-149, 1987 Variation and Evolution in the Karyotype of Lycoris, Amaryllidaceae IV. Intraspecific variation in the karyotype of L. radiata (Herb) and the origin of this triploid species (L' Herit) Kurita, Siro 1987a Cytologia 52: 19-40 Variation and Evolution in the Karyotype of Lycoris, Amaryllidaceae II. Karyotype analysis of ten taxa among which seven are native in China Kurita, Siro 1988a Cytologia 53: 307-321 Variation and Evolution in the Karyotype of Lycoris, Amaryllidaceae VI. Intrapopulational and/or intraspecific variation in the karyotype of L. sanguinea Max. var. kiushiana Kurita, Siro 1988b Cytologia 53: 323-335 Variation and Evolution in the Karyotype of Lycoris, Amaryllidaceae VII Modes of karyotype alteration within species and probable trend of karyotype evolution in the genus Kurita, Siro ? http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~lycoris/… Origin of the sterile taxa in Lycoris - Species Evolution by Hybridization in the genus Lycoris Kurita, Siro ? http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~lycoris/… Cultivars of Artificial Hybrids Kurita, Siro 1985 J. Jap. Bot 60: 275-279 Geoclinal change in the pollen ornamentation of Lycoris sanguinea var. sanguinea Kurita, Siro 1980 J. Jap. Bot. 55: 287-288 Lycoris aurea versus L. traubii. Kurita, Siro 2005 on-line http://5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~lycoris/, Report # 05 Lycoris Garden Reports 2005 Sept 01-07 Kurita, Siro 2006 on-line http://5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~lycoris/, Report # 06 Lycoris Garden Reports 2006 Feb 22 - Aug 23 Kurita, Siro 2006 on-line http://5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~lycoris/, Report # 07 Lycoris Garden Reports 2006 Aug 30 - ? Kurita, Siro 2007 on-line http://5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~lycoris/, Report # 08 Lycoris Garden Reports 2007 July 23 - ? Kurita, Siro 2007 on-line http://5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~lycoris/, Report # 09 Lycoris Garden Reports 2007 Aug 23-Oct 16 Kurita, Siro 2008 on-line http://5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~lycoris/, Report # 10 Lycoris Garden Reports 2008 July 12 - Sept 3 Kurita, Siro 2008 on-line http://5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~lycoris/, Report # 11 Lycoris Garden Reports 2008 Sept 4-Oct 12 Kurita, Siro 2009 on-line http://5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~lycoris/, Report # 12 Lycoris Garden Reports 2009 Spring/Summer - Feb 13-Aug 14 Kurita, Siro 2009 on-line http://5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~lycoris/, Report # 13 Lycoris Garden Reports 2009 Summer/Autumn - Aug19-Oct1 Kurita, Siro 2010 on-line http://5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~lycoris/, Report # 14 Lycoris Garden Reports 2010 Kurita, Siro 2004 on-line http://5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~lycoris/, Report 01 Lycoris Garden Reports 2004 July Kurita, Siro 2004 on-line http://5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~lycoris/, Report 02 Lycoris Garden Reports 2004 Sept 01 - Oct 14 Kurita, Siro 2005 on-line http://5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~lycoris/, Report 03 Lycoris Garden Reports 2005 January - March Kurita, Siro 2005 on-line http://5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~lycoris/, Report 04 Lycoris Garden Reports 2005 July 18-21 Kurita, Siro 1989 Plant Species Biol; 4: 47-60 Variation and Evolution in the karyotype of Lycoris. Chromosomal variation in L. sanguinea. Kurita, Siro 1978 Proc. Jap. Soc. Plant Tax. 4: 8-9. Chromosome evolution in Lycoris. Kurita, Siro 1989 Proc. Sec. Sino-Jpn. Symposium P. Chromosomes; Plant Chromosome Research p101-106 Karyotypic orftioselsction in the genus Lycoris Kurita, Siro 1985 Amaryllidaceae I. General Karyomorphological Characteristics of the Genus Kurita, Siro and Hsu, P 1998 Univ. Mus., Univ. Tokyo, Bull. 37: 171-180 Cytological patterns in the Sino-Japanese flora; Hybrid complexes in Lycoris , Kurita, Siro, etal 1990 La Chromosomo II-57: 1926-1930 An abberrant karyotype in Lycoris radiata Kurita, Siro; Hsu, Ping-sheng 1996 Am. J. Bot. 83: p207 Hybrid complex in Lycoris Kurita, Siro; Ping-sheng, Hsu; Zhi-zhou, You; Jin-zhen, Lin 1992 Proc. Sec. Sino-Jpn. Symposium P. Chromosomes 1992; Plant Chromosome Research p51-58 Karotypes of some Lycoris species native to China and Korea Tony Avent Proprietor tony@plantdelights.com Juniper Level Botanic Garden<http://www.juniperlevelbotanicgarden.org/> and Plant Delights Nursery<http://www.plantdelights.com/> Ph 919.772.4794/fx 919.772.4752 9241 Sauls Road, Raleigh, North Carolina 27603 USA USDA Zone 7b/Winter 0-5 F/Summer 95-105F "Preserving, Studying, Propagating, and Sharing the World’s Flora” [cid:///image001.png@01D67571.80F54440] Since 1988, Plant Delights Nursery is THE Source for unique, rare and native perennial plants. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The contents of this email message and any attachments are intended solely for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential and/or privileged information and may be legally protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message or their agent, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply email and then delete this message and any attachments. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, copying, or storage of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. From: pbs <pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> On Behalf Of James Waddick via pbs Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 1:30 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> Cc: James Waddick <jwaddick@kc.rr.com> Subject: Re: [pbs] A nomenclature question Bob and all, Kurita followed up with an articlke I use as a ‘bible' regarding chromosome info and general descriptions. Not easy to locate but it is ’Synopsis of the Genus Lycoris (Amaryllidaceae)‘ by Siro Kurita, Z.Z. Yu amd J. Z. Lin. Sida 16(2) 301-331.1994 I think it is on line, but might take some searching. Let me know your thoughts. Jim W. On Aug 17, 2020, at 4:01 PM, Robert Lauf via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net><mailto:pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net%3e> wrote: You might already have seen a review paper from Kurita (1986), which cites all the old papers, which are in Japanese, but this one is in English and he mentions the prior suggestion that a couple of the species are natural hybrids. Interesting reading if you haven't seen it. Available as a pdf https://… Bob On Monday, August 17, 2020, 03:45:05 PM EDT, Jim McKenney via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net><mailto:pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net%3e> wrote: Tony, two or three things: Something's still fishy here. I have not seen Inariyama's paper, but if he really did describe it as an "autotriploid hybrid", he and we are not on the same page. The modern concept of this plant is that it is an allotriploid hybrid of Lycoris longituba and something else. In other words it's not an autotripld of anything.Then there is the issue of nothospecies. Nothospecies are not species in the modern sense: they are not sexually reproducing populations. When a taxonomist names a nothospecific plant at rank species, the entity in question has been misclassified: it is not a species in the modern sense. It's often nothing more than a distinctive clone.When a taxonomist decides that a plant originally described at rank species should be treated as a part of another species ( for instance, as a subspecies of another species), the convention is to cite both the name of taxonomist who first gave the "whole" species its name and add the name of the taxonomist proposing the change to the formal name.This sort of information can be invaluable in tracing the history of names. 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