From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Tue, 01 Dec 2020 13:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: <0B2B22FB-3B84-4AE2-BEC1-98C5E401CE62@islandnet.com> From: Diane via pbs Subject: specialized bulb groups Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2020 13:05:48 -0800 We have such a broad range of interests in PBS that I am surprised at how specialized some groups can be. There are societies for bulbs that have a lot of species, like Iris and Lilium. I’ve just discovered a Facebook group called Paramongaia Lovers. It has 508 members, but I am not a member so can’t check out any messages. Diane Whitehead _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Tue, 01 Dec 2020 15:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: From: Vlad Hempel via pbs Subject: specialized bulb groups Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2020 23:20:15 +0100 Hello Diane, I recommend you to join that group, nice people over there. There is also good group on Narcissus and some really good ones on African bulbs. Cheers, Vlad On Tue 1. Dec 2020 at 22:06 Diane via pbs wrote: > We have such a broad range of interests in PBS that I am surprised at how > specialized some groups can be. > > There are societies for bulbs that have a lot of species, like Iris and > Lilium. > > I’ve just discovered a Facebook group called Paramongaia Lovers. It has > 508 members, but I am not a member so can’t check out any messages. > > Diane Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Tue, 01 Dec 2020 15:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: <2C63AF37-5CFC-40BC-B026-F54E3C5167EF@pacbell.net> From: Lee Poulsen via pbs Subject: specialized bulb groups Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2020 15:07:56 -0800 Sometimes there are too many specialized bulb groups on Facebook, and other times there are none. Take Hippeastrum for example. There are a lot of groups for this genus, some overlapping, with at least a couple that only allow discussion of species, while others include any Hippeastrum at all. Then there are amaryllid groups and South American bulb species, as well as specific amaryllid family groups. There is a Tigridia and related genera group but only in Spanish. There are multiple Worsleya groups. There are also multiple Zephyranthes/Habranthus groups in English and in Spanish. And you find people posting the same, marvelous photographs of rarer species to 3 or 4 groups simultaneously. I find it difficult to keep up. And the comments get split across related groups for the same photographs. On the other hand, sometimes you only see certain amazing species on just one of the multiple-group genus groups. For example, there is a blood-red Zephyranthes species (?) in Mexico that is beautiful, but I never see much detail discussed about it, and only in Spanish. It’s both a blessing and curse. --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m > On Dec 1, 2020, at 1:05 PM, Diane via pbs wrote: > > We have such a broad range of interests in PBS that I am surprised at how specialized some groups can be. > > There are societies for bulbs that have a lot of species, like Iris and Lilium. > > I’ve just discovered a Facebook group called Paramongaia Lovers. It has 508 members, but I am not a member so can’t check out any messages. > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Tue, 01 Dec 2020 23:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: From: Vlad Hempel via pbs Subject: specialized bulb groups Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 07:24:00 +0100 I subscribe to what you have written, Lee. Z. rojo is more popular in the Spanish speaking groups because it seems to be a native species from Central America, including Mexico. I happen to grow it, along with its sibling Z. estrella rojo. Both are very fertile and vigorous. The most content is on Hippeastrum. Obviously there are a lot of people who love this plant, but in a lot of these groups I see comments such as „Beautiful“ and „Thank you“. The more valuable one is about species only, called Planet Botanical Hippeastrum. There are also a few groups as „rare bulbs“ or „alpine bulbs“ or societies, which I personally find more useful and not to forget to mention those groups as „bulbs in habitat“, where various bulbs enthusiasts like us post pictures from their excursions in nature. Cheers, Vlad On Wed 2. Dec 2020 at 00:08 Lee Poulsen via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > Sometimes there are too many specialized bulb groups on Facebook, and > other times there are none. Take Hippeastrum for example. There are a lot > of groups for this genus, some overlapping, with at least a couple that > only allow discussion of species, while others include any Hippeastrum at > all. Then there are amaryllid groups and South American bulb species, as > well as specific amaryllid family groups. There is a Tigridia and related > genera group but only in Spanish. There are multiple Worsleya groups. There > are also multiple Zephyranthes/Habranthus groups in English and in Spanish. > And you find people posting the same, marvelous photographs of rarer > species to 3 or 4 groups simultaneously. I find it difficult to keep up. > And the comments get split across related groups for the same photographs. > On the other hand, sometimes you only see certain amazing species on just > one of the multiple-group genus groups. For example, there is a blood-red > Zephyranthes species (?) in Mexico that is beautiful, but I never see much > detail discussed about it, and only in Spanish. > > It’s both a blessing and curse. > > --Lee Poulsen > Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a > Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m > > > > On Dec 1, 2020, at 1:05 PM, Diane via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > > > We have such a broad range of interests in PBS that I am surprised at > how specialized some groups can be. > > > > There are societies for bulbs that have a lot of species, like Iris and > Lilium. > > > > I’ve just discovered a Facebook group called Paramongaia Lovers. It has > 508 members, but I am not a member so can’t check out any messages. > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 02 Dec 2020 07:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: From: Robert Parks via pbs Subject: Nerine filifolia seeds Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 06:37:32 -0800 My clump had a generous seed set, if you are in an area with frost-free shipping from central California I would be happy to share the seeds. Contact me offlist at: trolleypup@gmail.com The seeds need to be planted immediately. For what it is worth, in San Francisco, N. filifolia will stay evergreen if kept moist after flowering, that doesn't seem to inhibit flowering. This year, with the lack of rain, the clump is going dormant, so I'll lift and divide it, so there will the lots of itty bitty bulbs for the spring. Robert in San Francisco, where there is still no rain on the horizon _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 02 Dec 2020 12:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: From: M Gastil-Buhl via pbs Subject: Nerine filifolia seeds Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 11:17:01 -0800 My Nerine filifolia bloomed much earlier. It usually made lots of seed. But I am learning that the screen house, designed to keep out pesky scrub jays, also keeps out some pollinators even though the mesh is 1" wide. The past few years I have watered these through the summer and they seem to grow more leaves and bloom more as an evergreen than when I used to let them go dormant in summer. One curious feature of mine is the leaves turn brown at the ends but keep pushing out new green length. I give them a hair cut to keep the pot looking nice. Last year I sowed some of the seed carefully instead of just tossing it on top of the same pot. Each seed only made 2 leaves but they stayed green all through the summer, with water. Some of my Nerine bowdenii seeds are beginning to ripen now. And some are still blooming strong despite recent light frost. Gastil Santa Barbara where we still have not had more than 0.05" of rain since May. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 02 Dec 2020 12:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: From: Luminita Vollmer via pbs Subject: Exchange 472 Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 14:10:59 -0600 Dear all All of the requests for exchange 472 have been mailed out. Let me know if in a few days you don't get yours. Everyone that requested something was mailed their request. Luminita PBS Xchange Mgr _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 02 Dec 2020 14:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: From: Bruce Schroder via pbs Subject: Specialised bulb interest groups on Facebook Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2020 08:52:47 +1100 I am a member of numerous bulb groups on Facebook (including the Paramongaia group) and concur with both Lee and Vlad in their support of such groups. It never ceases to amaze me how much new information I find on these pages including newly discovered species. Many of the posts are from both amateur and professional field researchers. Interestingly, once a bulb piques my interest, I usually then turn to the PBS Wiki for further information, not always with success! Just for clarification, the new red Zephyranthes from Mexico which Vlad called Zephyranthes rojo is a yet to be described new species, already being grown and flowered by members of the Rain Lily Facebook Group (from my reading, with one of the most fanatical memberships!) so should be more accurately referred to as Zephyranthes sp nova 'Rojo' Bruce Schroder, Melbourne, Australia _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 04 Dec 2020 14:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: From: Erle Randall via pbs Subject: Eucomis pole evansii Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2020 18:31:40 +0000 I am a bit late on this topic, sorry. I have just collected some seed from my plants here in Anglesey and will sow them in the new year. My original seed came from PBS in 2012. Incidentally I was under the impression that this is now *Eucomis pallidiflora *Baker subsp*. pole-evansii* (N.E.Br.) Reyneke ex J.C.Manning quoting SANBI Erle Randall _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 04 Dec 2020 13:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: From: M Gastil-Buhl via pbs Subject: Herbertia lahue growing advice Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2020 13:06:31 -0800 I have had limited success growing Herbertia lahue. The one that does grow well for me looks like the photo in the wiki here https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Herbertia#lahue Now I am wondering if maybe some of the seeds and baby bulbs I received by this name might be the subspecies from Texas. That one may have different growing conditions. The South American one grows on a winter wet / summer dry cycle, which is how I have been treating mine. Looking at this list's archive I found many posts but some seemingly conflicting information, such as whether it prefers acid or alkaline soil. Now I wonder if sometimes the Texas subspecies was the topic and sometimes the Chile and Argentina type species was the topic. Can someone clarify please? _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 04 Dec 2020 14:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: <171773912.4598530.1607119725388@mail.yahoo.com> From: Robert Lauf via pbs Subject: Eucomis pole evansii Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2020 22:08:45 +0000 (UTC) Erle, You are correct on the current taxonomic status of this one.  I have pdfs of a lot of pertinent literature on Eucomis and related things, including the revision of Reyneke's key, and I'm happy to share these with anyone who has an interest.  Just reply to me personally and not to the list.  Most of these papers turn up pretty easily via Google Scholar, but if I can save someone the time, just let me know. Bob LaufOak Ridge, TN where we had a little snow and then our first freeze of the season a few days ago.  I'm ready for spring... On Friday, December 4, 2020, 04:49:13 PM EST, Erle Randall via pbs wrote: I am a bit late on this topic, sorry. I have just collected some seed from my plants here in Anglesey and will sow them in the new year. My original seed came from  PBS in 2012. Incidentally I was under the impression that this is now *Eucomis pallidiflora *Baker subsp*. pole-evansii* (N.E.Br.) Reyneke ex J.C.Manning quoting SANBI Erle Randall _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sun, 06 Dec 2020 13:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: <557970922.5046108.1607288675015@mail.yahoo.com> From: Arnold Trachtenberg via pbs Subject: Othonna perfoliata Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2020 21:04:34 +0000 (UTC) I've had this for a while. First year it has shown flowers but they don't seem to want to fully  open  Any suggestions? Arnold -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Best, Jude On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 4:04 PM Arnold Trachtenberg via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > I've had this for a while. > First year it has shown flowers but they don't seem to want to fully > open Any suggestions? > Arnold > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Othonna perfoliata.2020.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 417110 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/pipermail/pbs/attachments/20201206/882d95bb/attachment.jpe > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sun, 06 Dec 2020 15:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: <2CCCB2E6-78EC-4F29-8149-D52FD4390306@gmail.com> From: Ian Latella via pbs Subject: Othonna perfoliata Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2020 15:40:16 -0700 The Othonna perfoliatas I used to grow were sometimes slow to open if they didn’t get enough sunlight. They like cold nights though. Mine would get full sun in the greenhouse (up to 90F during the day, 40F at night). Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 6, 2020, at 2:13 PM, The Silent Seed via pbs wrote: > > Arnold, > Is it maybe a little chilly? Maybe if it were warmer they'd open? Or > sunnier? > These are just my novice guesses as I don't typically grow these. > Best, Jude > >> On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 4:04 PM Arnold Trachtenberg via pbs < >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: >> >> I've had this for a while. >> First year it has shown flowers but they don't seem to want to fully >> open Any suggestions? >> Arnold >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: Othonna perfoliata.2020.JPG >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 417110 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: < >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/pipermail/pbs/attachments/20201206/882d95bb/attachment.jpe >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs >> Unsubscribe: >> > > > -- > The Silent Seed > Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. > thesilentseed.com > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sun, 06 Dec 2020 15:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: <2118555305.5064295.1607296488176@mail.yahoo.com> From: Arnold Trachtenberg via pbs Subject: Othonna perfoliata Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2020 23:14:48 +0000 (UTC) Ian/Jude It gets as much sunlight as I can provide here in Northern New Jersey. I have supplemental light on 6-8 hours per day. I received a suggestion to plunge in moist sand and I'll give it a try. Thanks, Arnold -----Original Message----- From: Ian Latella via pbs To: Pacific Bulb Society Cc: Ian Latella Sent: Sun, Dec 6, 2020 5:40 pm Subject: Re: [pbs] Othonna perfoliata The Othonna perfoliatas I used to grow were sometimes slow to open if they didn’t get enough sunlight. They like cold nights though. Mine would get full sun in the greenhouse (up to 90F during the day, 40F at night). Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 6, 2020, at 2:13 PM, The Silent Seed via pbs wrote: > > Arnold, > Is it maybe a little chilly? Maybe if it were warmer they'd open? Or > sunnier? > These are just my novice guesses as I don't typically grow these. > Best, Jude > >> On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 4:04 PM Arnold Trachtenberg via pbs < >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: >> >> I've had this for a while. >> First year it has shown flowers but they don't seem to want to fully >> open  Any suggestions? >> Arnold >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: Othonna  perfoliata.2020.JPG >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 417110 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: < >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/pipermail/pbs/attachments/20201206/882d95bb/attachment.jpe >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs >> Unsubscribe: >> > > > -- > The Silent Seed > Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. > thesilentseed.com > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sun, 06 Dec 2020 16:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: From: The Silent Seed via pbs Subject: Othonna perfoliata Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2020 18:19:21 -0500 You are quite welcome. Good luck! On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 6:14 PM Arnold Trachtenberg via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > Ian/Jude > It gets as much sunlight as I can provide here in Northern New Jersey. > I have supplemental light on 6-8 hours per day. > I received a suggestion to plunge in moist sand and I'll give it a try. > Thanks, > Arnold > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ian Latella via pbs > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Cc: Ian Latella > Sent: Sun, Dec 6, 2020 5:40 pm > Subject: Re: [pbs] Othonna perfoliata > > The Othonna perfoliatas I used to grow were sometimes slow to open if they > didn’t get enough sunlight. They like cold nights though. Mine would get > full sun in the greenhouse (up to 90F during the day, 40F at night). > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Dec 6, 2020, at 2:13 PM, The Silent Seed via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > > > Arnold, > > Is it maybe a little chilly? Maybe if it were warmer they'd open? Or > > sunnier? > > These are just my novice guesses as I don't typically grow these. > > Best, Jude > > > >> On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 4:04 PM Arnold Trachtenberg via pbs < > >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > >> > >> I've had this for a while. > >> First year it has shown flowers but they don't seem to want to fully > >> open Any suggestions? > >> Arnold > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >> Name: Othonna perfoliata.2020.JPG > >> Type: image/jpeg > >> Size: 417110 bytes > >> Desc: not available > >> URL: < > >> > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/pipermail/pbs/attachments/20201206/882d95bb/attachment.jpe > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> pbs mailing list > >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > >> Unsubscribe: > >> > > > > > > -- > > The Silent Seed > > Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. > > thesilentseed.com > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > Unsubscribe: > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Mon, 07 Dec 2020 18:17:01 -0800 Message-Id: From: Diane via pbs Subject: before list serves Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 18:16:38 -0800 I’ve heard the occasional grumble about a list being awkward and outmoded. Must be from some young people. How many remember Round Robins? Perhaps a half dozen plant society members would exchange letters with each other in a specified order. I mean letters with a stamp on the envelope, delivered by the postal service. As the fat envelope full of letters and photos arrived, the recipient would remove her earlier letter, read all the others, add a newly written one and send it all on to the next in the list. Diane Whitehead _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Tue, 08 Dec 2020 06:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: From: Judy Glattstein via pbs Subject: The Colors of Fritillaria Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2020 08:52:57 -0500 An interesting article in today's NY Times about color variation in Fritillaria delavayi https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/08/science/plant-camouflage-evolution.html?surface=home-discovery-vi-prg&fellback=false&req_id=943177218&algo=identity&imp_id=144116156&action=click&module=Science%20%20Technology&pgtype=Homepage which presumably arose because it is collected for traditional medicine. The yellow flowered ones are easy to notice and collect, those with dull colored flowers are less conspicuous. Judy in New Jersey where winter temperatures have decided that it is time for them. And snow flurries forecast for tomorrow morning. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Tue, 08 Dec 2020 06:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: <1406526480.5707736.1607436982401@mail.yahoo.com> From: Arnold Trachtenberg via pbs Subject: The Colors of Fritillaria Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2020 14:16:22 +0000 (UTC) Hi Judy I saw this on the SRGC a week ago. Seems we, humans are playing a role in "Natural Selection". I wonder if you can call this evolution driven by the ability of the human eye to discern colors from a distance. Arnold90 miles north of you. -----Original Message----- From: Judy Glattstein via pbs To: Pacific Bulb Society Cc: Judy Glattstein Sent: Tue, Dec 8, 2020 8:52 am Subject: [pbs] The Colors of Fritillaria An interesting article in today's NY Times about color variation in Fritillaria delavayi https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/08/science/plant-camouflage-evolution.html?surface=home-discovery-vi-prg&fellback=false&req_id=943177218&algo=identity&imp_id=144116156&action=click&module=Science%20%20Technology&pgtype=Homepage which presumably arose because it is collected for traditional medicine. The yellow flowered ones are easy to notice and collect, those with dull colored flowers are less conspicuous. Judy in New Jersey where winter temperatures have decided that it is time for them. And snow flurries forecast for tomorrow morning. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Tue, 08 Dec 2020 07:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <919823985.3555072.1607437274678@mail.yahoo.com> From: Gianinatio via pbs Subject: before list serves Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2020 14:21:14 +0000 (UTC) And there are people who still haven't used computers, signed up with an ISP, accessed the internet, created an email account, or subscribed to a list like this. The age old "but that's not how we've always done it" adage is the change resistant first stage of Grief everybody puts out (DABDA - Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance)  at the thought of even considering a change.  It's the go-to statement.    And the fact that you and everyone on the list have adopted everyone single one of the technologies in my first sentence above indicates that you're all fully capable of moving on to the right tool for the job. Email is a communications platform, not a knowledge management platform.  Like any tool, it can be used outside of it's designed purpose.  A sharp screwdriver can be used to drill a hole in wood.  But I'd use the right drill. So instead of focusing on how great the world was when stone adze and bear claws were the tools of choice, consider surging into the new millennia by seeking out and replacing this inappropriate tool use with one specifically designed for the job.   There are many.  Many are free. I and others are happy to help with that process.  But we can't be of any assistance until those in charge make it fully through the stages of grief.  So far all I've seen in the responses are Denial and Anger, and, now, ageism. I'm nearly 60 so I'm not sure what you consider "young" but in my experience, grief at the thought of change comes from any age demographic and I'd avoid using ageism as a grief crutch.  It's kind of ugly in almost any context. And since I'm far from being a youngster - I make my inputs based on decades of Knowledge Management and Improvement Experience.  At the most basic level KM (Knowledge Management) involves some needs shown below:  Email is an Information technology primarily designed to capture and disseminate.  It has no knowledge structure and is pretty much the antithesis of structure.  It's culture is limited to "type" then "Send".  It's storage process is "on every server receiving a copy and everyones personal email account" vs a central standard, protected, unchangeable, mother copy that's easily catalogued and searched.  And Knowledge effectiveness is very low. Complaints I've seen about Facebook are equally grief ridden.  By any measure against email it's far better.  That said, at a higher level of capability it also misses on a few critical cylinders, though not necessarily the ones people think.   On Monday, December 7, 2020, 08:16:52 PM CST, Diane via pbs wrote: I’ve heard the occasional grumble about a list being awkward and outmoded. Must be from some young people. How many remember Round Robins? Perhaps a half dozen plant society members would exchange letters with each other in a specified order.  I mean letters with a stamp on the envelope, delivered by the postal service.  As the fat envelope full of letters and photos arrived, the recipient would remove her earlier letter, read all the others, add a newly written one and send it all on to the next in the list. Diane Whitehead _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Tue, 08 Dec 2020 07:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: From: Robert Parks via pbs Subject: The Colors of Fritillaria Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2020 06:35:27 -0800 Good old human negative selection...same reason that rattlesnakes near human populations tend to not rattle or even have rattles! On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 6:16 AM Arnold Trachtenberg via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > Hi Judy > I saw this on the SRGC a week ago. > Seems we, humans are playing a role in "Natural Selection". > I wonder if you can call this evolution driven by the ability of the human > eye to discern colors from a distance. > Arnold90 miles north of you. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Judy Glattstein via pbs > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Cc: Judy Glattstein > Sent: Tue, Dec 8, 2020 8:52 am > Subject: [pbs] The Colors of Fritillaria > > An interesting article in today's NY Times about color variation in > Fritillaria delavayi > > > https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/08/science/plant-camouflage-evolution.html?surface=home-discovery-vi-prg&fellback=false&req_id=943177218&algo=identity&imp_id=144116156&action=click&module=Science%20%20Technology&pgtype=Homepage > > which presumably arose because it is collected for traditional medicine. > The yellow flowered ones are easy to notice and collect, those with dull > colored flowers are less conspicuous. > > Judy in New Jersey where winter temperatures have decided that it is > time for them. And snow flurries forecast for tomorrow morning. > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Tue, 08 Dec 2020 07:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <20201208.084853.8586.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> From: rrodich--- via pbs Subject: The Colors of Fritillaria Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2020 14:48:53 GMT Good old human negative selection... No! It is positive selection. This is why the species is surviving,and not rare or extinct. Rick Rodich Minneapolis, MN _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Tue, 08 Dec 2020 07:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <6728fb3e-acbb-2bbe-f9a1-608aa595ea4c@davidpilling.com> From: David Pilling via pbs Subject: The Colors of Fritillaria Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2020 14:55:56 +0000 Hi Arnold, On 08/12/2020 14:16, Arnold Trachtenberg via pbs wrote: > Seems we, humans are playing a role in "Natural Selection". There is a very clever chap (David Deutsch) who advanced the theory that there is objective beauty, on the grounds that flowers are attractive to people as well as insects. One problem is all the flowers we see have been selected by people. He reckons that since there is objective beauty, people are making the world more beautiful. https://www.nature.com/articles/526S16a.pdf?origin=ppub -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Tue, 08 Dec 2020 08:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <230559098.5730793.1607441422353@mail.yahoo.com> From: Robert Lauf via pbs Subject: The Colors of Fritillaria Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2020 15:30:22 +0000 (UTC) In the orchid world, humans have helped alba forms and peloric forms survive and prosper in captivity, despite these traits having negative reproductive value in the wild (which obviously explains their rarity). Ditto for all the fascinating color morphs of snakes, all of which have less natural camouflage than wild types.  Not to mention carp..... Bob   Zone 7   happily watching things germinate from the last SX _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Tue, 08 Dec 2020 08:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: From: Robert Parks via pbs Subject: The Colors of Fritillaria Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2020 07:35:27 -0800 Well, negative in the sense that individuals and their genes are being taken out of the pool, rather than having enhanced reproduction. You could have both at once, duller colored Fritillarias in the wild (yellows removed), and brighter ones in cultivation (yellows preferentially propagated). Humans are certainly big drivers of change...either on purpose, or by default or unconscious actions. Robert Warm, sunny, and still dry in San Francisco. Irrigating the Mediterranean geophytes. On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 6:49 AM rrodich--- via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > Good old human negative selection... > > > No! It is positive selection. This is why the species is surviving,and > not rare or extinct. > > Rick Rodich > Minneapolis, MN > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Tue, 08 Dec 2020 10:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: From: louise boutin via pbs Subject: This Plant Evolved to Hide From a Predator. It Might Be Us. - The New York Times Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2020 10:02:40 -0800 A very interesting article. Louise > > https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/08/science/plant-camouflage-evolution.html?surface=home-discovery-vi-prg&fellback=false&req_id=615961135&algo=identity&imp_id=578849007&action=click&module=Science%20%20Technology&pgtype=Homepage > > This Plant Evolved to Hide From a Predator. It Might Be Us. > > While people deliberately breed plants, a team of researchers say humans have inadvertently prompted this one to develop camouflage. > > Dec. 8, 2020, 2:59 a.m. ET > > Fritillaria delavayi, a plant used for traditional medicines, evolved camouflage coloring in areas where it is frequently harvested.Yang Niu > Climb for long enough in the Hengduan Mountains near Yulong, China, and you’ll probably spot Fritillaria delavayi. The small, charming plants have elegant green leaves and bell-shaped yellow flowers. Each one pops against the gray scree like a statement brooch. > > Trek in the same mountain range just 65 miles away, and you’ll have to work much harder to see plants of the same species. There, F. delavayi plants are a dull tan, like the rocks they live on. Near Muli, they’re dark gray instead, and in Pujin, reddish-brown. > > Why does this one species come in so many different colors? It might be hiding from you. > > According to a paper published last month in Current Biology , F. delavayi has evolved several distinct color types because people harvest its bulbs. The finding suggests that the plant is the latest example in a growing list of species that humans appear to have inadvertently influenced into evolving new traits. > > The impressive tricks animals use to disguise themselves are familiar to most people, but plant camouflage gets less attention. Yang Niu, a researcher at the Kunming Institute of Botany at the Chinese Academy of Sciences and lead author of the new paper, has spent years documenting possible examples of how plants conceal themselves. The mottled leaves of some forest plants may make it harder for herbivores to spot them. Lithops , also known as “living stone plants,” seem to be masquerading as pebbles. > > These plants are generally trying to fool something in particular. Corydalis benecincta, another alpine plant Dr. Niu studies, has “a specialist enemy,” he said — a butterfly that nibbles its leaves. Possibly in response, the normally green plant has evolved a subtler gray morph . > > “Other such kinds of camouflaged plants reported in other places all over the world — they also have enemies,” he said. The divergent coloration of F. delavayi was initially puzzling because no animals seemed to eat it. > > > Fritillaria delavayi’s coloring in an area with low harvest pressure.Yang Niu > But the bulbs of this and other Fritillaria plants are common medicinal ingredients, used to treat coughs. People have been harvesting them for over 2,000 years. What if this plant’s enemy is us? If so, F. delavayi plants in areas that experience more intense collection should be better camouflaged than those in places where people pick them less. > > To test this, the researchers focused on eight plant populations. To judge the harvest pressure at each site, they asked for records from herb dealers and used those to figure out what proportion of each F. delavayi population had been picked annually for six years. They also estimated how difficult it was to collect the plants at different sites. > > To determine how closely the plants matched their backgrounds, they took rock and leaf samples from each site, and compared the color and intensity of the light they reflected. > > And to establish whether a closer match actually makes the plants more difficult to see, they created an online game called “Spot the Plant” — which shows players photographs of F. delavayi plants in different locations, with instructions to click on them as fast as they can. Local collectors also told the researchers that they had noticed plants in certain places were better camouflaged, Dr. Niu said. > > When they put these metrics together, they matched up as expected. For F. delavayi populations that are largely left alone, it’s easy enough being green. But those under high harvest pressure now fade into the background, whether that’s tan, reddish-brown or gray. > > The study makes “a fairly convincing case” that humans are driving the camouflage of this plant, said Ilik Saccheri, a professor of ecological genetics at the University of Liverpool who studies color change in moths and butterflies and was not involved in this work. However, he added, more experiments would bolster the evidence. > > As people continue to manipulate other species, it’s good to remember that other species have moves to make in response. > > “Humans have been artificially selecting all sorts of plants, animals and yeasts for thousands of years,” Dr. Saccheri said. “This is a nice example of unintentional selection.” _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Tue, 08 Dec 2020 17:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Randall P. Linke via pbs" Subject: before list serves Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2020 16:29:07 -0800 On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 6:21 AM Gianinatio via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote in this thread. My comment: Hear, hear! -- _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Tue, 08 Dec 2020 18:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: From: David Pilling via pbs Subject: The Blue Bell, Nature's Litmus Paper Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2020 01:39:07 +0000 Hi, On TV tonight someone worried an ants nest and showed that the resulting formic acid would turn a blue bell flower pink. This was going on in the Lake District, UK, so Hyacinthoides non-scripta. -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Tue, 08 Dec 2020 19:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: <07f801d6cdd5$695ed8c0$3c1c8a40$@gmail.com> From: Michael Mace via pbs Subject: before list serves Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2020 18:45:52 -0800 Diane wrote: >>How many remember Round Robins? I got in on the tail end of them. It was interesting, but I was accused of losing an Iris robin and was banned from the group. I swear I mailed it; should have sent it registered. Mike San Jose, CA _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 09 Dec 2020 10:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: <002501d6ce4f$bd90f3e0$38b2dba0$@hansennursery.com> From: R Hansen via pbs Subject: Latest Edition of the Bulb Garden Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2020 09:21:31 -0800 Good Morning, Coming very soon to your mailbox is the latest edition of the Bulb Garden. Overseas copies have been mailed and North American copies will be in the mail today or tomorrow. You'll read about some nifty bulbs in Chile, from Jane McGary's latest trip, and Dan Fetty has written about Iris laviegata, the pond iris. Since ponds were discussed in some detail on the PBS list, I hope this will be of interest to anyone who has a pond, wants a pond or gets creative and makes a container pond. Then there are those of us who are still in thinking mode, trying to decide how to have water in the garden, but not sure where or what we want. Happy Holidays to you all. Stay safe. Robin Hansen Editor, The PBS Bulb Garden _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 09 Dec 2020 11:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: <278135152.6280423.1607541011234@mail.yahoo.com> From: kuang huang via pbs Subject: Exchange 471 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2020 19:10:11 +0000 (UTC) Hi luminita, I have not received the exchange 471 up  to this date, could it be the mail got lost? Thanks Regards, Andy Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, November 20, 2020, 5:22 PM, kuang huang wrote: Got it., thank you, have a great weekend!!! Andy Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, November 20, 2020, 4:45 PM, Roger Macfarlane via pbs wrote: Hello Luminita: I recently renewed my subscription to PBS and wanted to check that you have this current email address for me. I didn’t get the PBX 471 but maybe I was too late with my renewal. With my best wishes. Roger Macfarlane On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 4:31 PM Luminita Vollmer via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > Dear all > All the orders for exchange 471 have been shipped out, the last few > yesterday Nov 19, 2020. > > This exchange has been extremely large; I had connectivity issues with the > stamps.com server, and to make it fair to everyone, I had to randomize for > a large number of items. It seems a lot of the membership is after the same > items, and some were in shorter than demand supply. > > If by mid next week you don't get your order, please contact me, I will > look into it, as all the mail is tracked. > > Thank you, > Luminita Vollmer > PBS Exchange Mgr > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 09 Dec 2020 12:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: <002801d6ce61$c41cce20$4c566a60$@verizon.net> From: Jose via pbs Subject: Howardara 'Riley Kate' Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2020 14:30:32 -0500 Hello Folks, Over the summer I was able to purchase a pot full of this little gem but now she seems to want to go to sleep. I grow all of the other members that make up this beauty but they all grow a bit differently. Does anyone on this wonderful list have any experience growing this in the colder regions of the US and if they do, could you please let me know how you grow it. Many Thanks and Warm Regards, Fred Biasella Cambridge (Boston) MA Zone 6b Maritime _____ Scanned by McAfee and confirmed virus-free. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 09 Dec 2020 12:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: From: Vlad Hempel via pbs Subject: Howardara 'Riley Kate' Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2020 20:33:42 +0100 Hello Fred, Same here, it webt dormant by mid Nov for me, while her parents are either dormant or in green in winter. Do I cannot say much, except just observe. Cheers, Vlad On Wed 9. Dec 2020 at 20:30 Jose via pbs wrote: > Hello Folks, > > > > Over the summer I was able to purchase a pot full of this little gem but > now > she seems to want to go to sleep. I grow all of the other members that make > up this beauty but they all grow a bit differently. Does anyone on this > wonderful list have any experience growing this in the colder regions of > the > US and if they do, could you please let me know how you grow it. > > > > Many Thanks and Warm Regards, > > Fred Biasella > > Cambridge (Boston) MA > > Zone 6b Maritime > > > _____ > > > < > https://home.mcafee.com/utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-e > > mail&utm_content=emailclient?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=s > ig-email&utm_content=emailclient > > > Scanned by McAfee > < > https://home.mcafee.com/utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-e > > mail&utm_content=emailclient?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=s > ig-email&utm_content=emailclient > > > and confirmed virus-free. > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 09 Dec 2020 23:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: From: Roger Macfarlane via pbs Subject: Exchange 471 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2020 17:48:27 -0800 I got mine too. Thank you so much Roger On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 11:10 AM kuang huang wrote: > Hi luminita, I have not received the exchange 471 up to this date, could > it be the mail got lost? Thanks > > Regards, > > Andy > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Friday, November 20, 2020, 5:22 PM, kuang huang > wrote: > > Got it., thank you, have a great weekend!!! > > > Andy > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Friday, November 20, 2020, 4:45 PM, Roger Macfarlane via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > Hello Luminita: I recently renewed my subscription to PBS and wanted to > check that you have this current email address for me. I didn’t get the PBX > 471 but maybe I was too late with my renewal. > With my best wishes. > Roger Macfarlane > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 4:31 PM Luminita Vollmer via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > > Dear all > > All the orders for exchange 471 have been shipped out, the last few > > yesterday Nov 19, 2020. > > > > This exchange has been extremely large; I had connectivity issues with > the > > stamps.com server, and to make it fair to everyone, I had to randomize > for > > a large number of items. It seems a lot of the membership is after the > same > > items, and some were in shorter than demand supply. > > > > If by mid next week you don't get your order, please contact me, I will > > look into it, as all the mail is tracked. > > > > Thank you, > > Luminita Vollmer > > PBS Exchange Mgr > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > Unsubscribe: > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 10 Dec 2020 10:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: From: robert brockson via pbs Subject: Howardara 'Riley Kate' Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2020 17:34:03 +0000 Hi Fred, I have been growing this for a couple of years now in Pennsylvania. My experience is that it will go dormant this time of the year and when it does, it goes into my cool basement till the middle of April. During that time, I water very sparingly keeping the soil barely moist. Then in April I bring it upstairs and water once a week or so till I can get it outside in May. Rob Zone 6b _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 10 Dec 2020 10:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: <001001d6cf1b$ac7a2140$056e63c0$@verizon.net> From: Jose via pbs Subject: Howardara 'Riley Kate' Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2020 12:41:19 -0500 Hi Rob, Thank you so much for the advice. Just this morning, I put the pot in my (very cool) basement where I currently house my hippeastrums. I will follow your advice and do the same thing. Warm Regards, Fred -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net] On Behalf Of robert brockson via pbs Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2020 12:34 PM To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Cc: robert brockson Subject: Re: [pbs] Howardara 'Riley Kate' Hi Fred, I have been growing this for a couple of years now in Pennsylvania. My experience is that it will go dormant this time of the year and when it does, it goes into my cool basement till the middle of April. During that time, I water very sparingly keeping the soil barely moist. Then in April I bring it upstairs and water once a week or so till I can get it outside in May. Rob Zone 6b _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: Scanned by McAfee and confirmed virus-free. Find out more here: https://bit.ly/2zCJMrO _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 10 Dec 2020 10:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: From: Luminita Vollmer via pbs Subject: Mail delivery Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2020 11:57:21 -0600 Dear all There seem to be more hic-ups with the mail delivery in the last 2 months than usual. It could be the volume of mail and the shortage of workers. I really don't know. Based on the inquiries I did on behalf of some of the members, it seems the mail is late. If you need to inquire about your exchange, please send me an e-mail at the email listed below, not to the listserv. Thank you. *pbslv.exchange@gmail.com * Luminita _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 11 Dec 2020 14:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <3B737FBA-7132-4CEA-98DA-22F101A8E22B@islandnet.com> From: Diane via pbs Subject: Gladiolus uysiae Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2020 13:57:01 -0800 Is anyone growing Gladiolus uysiae successfully? It is one of the kalkoentjie group, and worth growing for its scent alone. I have tried several times, but the seedlings didn’t last long. I’ve just received a Bulbchat about it from IBSA (the Indigenous Bulb Society of South Africa). The person who wrote it lives in South Africa but has not had much success flowering it. She bought cormels in 2011 which flowered in 2013 and 2014 It is stoloniferous, and produced many cormels on the surface of the soil. There have been no further flowers. Diane Whitehead Victoria, British Columbia, Canada _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 11 Dec 2020 14:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <1142532493.7184230.1607724216359@mail.yahoo.com> From: Arnold Trachtenberg via pbs Subject: Gladiolus uysiae Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2020 22:03:36 +0000 (UTC) Diane Just planted some smaller corms this year. Growing well. We will see if flowers appear. ArnoldNew Jersey -----Original Message----- From: Diane via pbs To: Pacific Bulb Society Cc: Diane Sent: Fri, Dec 11, 2020 4:57 pm Subject: [pbs] Gladiolus uysiae Is anyone growing Gladiolus uysiae successfully?  It is one of the kalkoentjie group, and worth growing for its scent alone.  I have tried several times, but the seedlings didn’t last long. I’ve just received a Bulbchat about it from IBSA (the Indigenous Bulb Society of South Africa). The person who wrote it lives in South Africa but has not had much success flowering it.  She bought cormels in 2011 which flowered in 2013 and 2014  It is stoloniferous, and produced many cormels on the surface of the soil.  There have been no further flowers. Diane Whitehead Victoria, British Columbia, Canada _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 11 Dec 2020 17:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: From: Makiko Goto-Widerman via pbs Subject: Gladiolus uysiae Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2020 16:17:02 -0800 Do you have any plan to offer those small bulbs to PBS box? Makiko Seattle area On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 1:57 PM Diane via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > Is anyone growing Gladiolus uysiae successfully? > > It is one of the kalkoentjie group, and worth growing for its scent > alone. I have tried several times, but the seedlings didn’t last long. > > I’ve just received a Bulbchat about it from IBSA (the Indigenous Bulb > Society of South Africa). > > The person who wrote it lives in South Africa but has not had much success > flowering it. She bought cormels in 2011 which flowered in 2013 and 2014 > It is stoloniferous, and produced many cormels on the surface of the > soil. There have been no further flowers. > > Diane Whitehead > Victoria, British Columbia, Canada > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sat, 12 Dec 2020 00:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: From: Vlad Hempel via pbs Subject: Gladiolus uysiae Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2020 08:37:10 +0100 I am growing it. It has flowered beautifully 2 seasons in a row. I have chosen wider and not deeper pots, I think it likes this. Let’s see how it does further, I made some notes. On Sat 12. Dec 2020 at 01:17 Makiko Goto-Widerman via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > Do you have any plan to offer those small bulbs to PBS box? > > Makiko > Seattle area > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 1:57 PM Diane via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > > Is anyone growing Gladiolus uysiae successfully? > > > > It is one of the kalkoentjie group, and worth growing for its scent > > alone. I have tried several times, but the seedlings didn’t last long. > > > > I’ve just received a Bulbchat about it from IBSA (the Indigenous Bulb > > Society of South Africa). > > > > The person who wrote it lives in South Africa but has not had much > success > > flowering it. She bought cormels in 2011 which flowered in 2013 and 2014 > > It is stoloniferous, and produced many cormels on the surface of the > > soil. There have been no further flowers. > > > > Diane Whitehead > > Victoria, British Columbia, Canada > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > Unsubscribe: > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sun, 13 Dec 2020 09:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: From: Tim Eck via pbs Subject: fungicides Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2020 11:32:03 -0500 Can anyone suggest a good fungicide to use in bulb "chipping"? Thanks Tim _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sun, 13 Dec 2020 09:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: <001501d6d16f$78efba00$6acf2e00$@verizon.net> From: Jose via pbs Subject: fungicides Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2020 11:46:13 -0500 Hi Tim, I have used Fung-Onil by Bonide with very good success. I have actually used this to rehydrate desiccated roots on newly purchased hippeastrum bulbs before potting them uo. Regards, Fred -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net] On Behalf Of Tim Eck via pbs Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2020 11:32 AM To: Pacific Bulb Society Cc: Tim Eck Subject: [pbs] fungicides Can anyone suggest a good fungicide to use in bulb "chipping"? Thanks Tim _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: Scanned by McAfee and confirmed virus-free. Find out more here: https://bit.ly/2zCJMrO _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sun, 13 Dec 2020 09:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: From: Tim Eck via pbs Subject: fungicides Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2020 12:12:52 -0500 Thanks On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 11:46 AM Jose via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > Hi Tim, > > I have used Fung-Onil by Bonide with very good success. I have actually > used > this to rehydrate desiccated roots on newly purchased hippeastrum bulbs > before potting them uo. > > Regards, > Fred > > -----Original Message----- > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net] On Behalf Of > Tim > Eck via pbs > Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2020 11:32 AM > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Cc: Tim Eck > Subject: [pbs] fungicides > > Can anyone suggest a good fungicide to use in bulb "chipping"? > Thanks > Tim > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > > > Scanned by McAfee and confirmed virus-free. > Find out more here: https://bit.ly/2zCJMrO > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sun, 13 Dec 2020 13:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: From: Nicholas plummer via pbs Subject: Paramongaia weberbaueri finally bloomed Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2020 15:52:50 -0500 Some of you may have seen these photos already on the South American bulbs Facebook page, but I thought others might be interested. I am pretty excited to have finally seen the flower of Paramongaia weberbaueri after 6 1/2 years of growing a bulb. Photos and a little blog post here: https://sweetgumandpines.wordpress.com/ Regards, Nick North Carolina, Zone 7 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sun, 13 Dec 2020 22:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <002e01d6d1da$99b1a440$cd14ecc0$@gmail.com> From: Michael Mace via pbs Subject: Gladiolus uysiae Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2020 21:33:05 -0800 Diane wrote: >Is anyone growing Gladiolus uysiae successfully? I don't think I have grown it, but it's a Nieuwoudtville/Karoo desert species, so be mindful of the watering... Mike San Jose, CA _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Mon, 14 Dec 2020 06:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <1835739145.342560.1607953353502@mail.yahoo.com> From: Wylie Young via pbs Subject: Paramongaia weberbaueri finally bloomed Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 13:42:33 +0000 (UTC) Congratulations on the flower - I am still waiting for mine to bloom. I also got it off eBay, in the UK. It has had problems with snails because they are active in my area during the winter, but this year I used a lot of snail bait and the leaves are strong and healthy. So just maybe I will get lucky and get a flower soon. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Mon, 14 Dec 2020 15:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: From: M Gastil-Buhl via pbs Subject: Iris laviegata in The Bulb Garden and local sprouts and blooms Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 14:44:47 -0800 I just received my copy of The Bulb Garden and now I must find a way to grow Iris laviegata! Local news: Hesperocallis undulata germinated in only 8 days! Perhaps where it grew up it learned to take advantage of moisture without hesitation. This is one of those funny looking seeds that sticks a green shoot into the soil, pushing the seed out of the soil. For those who know my rule of only growing blue flowers, note I have expanded now to wiggley leaves too, especially blue-grey ruffley leaves such as my Veltheimia capensis is putting out more than any prior year. The Lachenalia viridiflora I originally received in PBS BX 339 #16 from Arnold Trachtenberg is blooming jewels of translucent turquoise. Most of my seed pots show no sprouts yet except the above mentioned and Moraea setifolia (22 days). I worry I may have let it dry out one day, or wetted too much another day, or placed too thick a layer of sand, or it is too hot in the day or too cold at night... But I go thru that every time and it makes the eventual signs of germination that much more exciting. This year's sowing got off to a rocky start because the media refused to dampen and I had to concoct a wetting agent from agar agar. When I say no other seed has sprouted I of course do not include the Boophone seed a friend sent, which germinated in the mail and are making leaves with promising twists and wiggles. The Scilla madeirensis I received from a BX last year has re-emerged with larger leaves (one leaf each) and the same purple spots. And the tiny Oxalis I received this year are showing a curious range of leaf shapes (which I care about more than blooms since there are no blue Oxalis.) Gastil Santa Barbara, California where we still have had no significant rain since May _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Mon, 14 Dec 2020 18:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: From: Pamela Harlow via pbs Subject: Iris laviegata in The Bulb Garden and local sprouts and blooms Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 17:27:47 -0800 Iris laevigata 'Variegata' is carefree in Seattle, where I hang the pots year-round over the rim of a 100 gallon stock tank, submerged approximately to the soil surface. The iris provides a nice vertical accent, blooming before the water lilies fill in fully with summer heat. I keep white cloud mountain minnows in the tank in summer to control mosquito larvae, but they must winter over indoors here. You could probably keep them outside all year. On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 2:45 PM M Gastil-Buhl via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > I just received my copy of The Bulb Garden and now I must find a way to > grow Iris laviegata! > > Local news: Hesperocallis undulata germinated in only 8 days! Perhaps where > it grew up it learned to take advantage of moisture without hesitation. > This is one of those funny looking seeds that sticks a green shoot into the > soil, pushing the seed out of the soil. > > For those who know my rule of only growing blue flowers, note I have > expanded now to wiggley leaves too, especially blue-grey ruffley leaves > such as my Veltheimia capensis is putting out more than any prior year. > > The Lachenalia viridiflora I originally received in PBS BX 339 #16 from > Arnold Trachtenberg is blooming jewels of translucent turquoise. > > Most of my seed pots show no sprouts yet except the above mentioned and > Moraea setifolia (22 days). I worry I may have let it dry out one day, or > wetted too much another day, or placed too thick a layer of sand, or it is > too hot in the day or too cold at night... But I go thru that every time > and it makes the eventual signs of germination that much more exciting. > This year's sowing got off to a rocky start because the media refused to > dampen and I had to concoct a wetting agent from agar agar. > > When I say no other seed has sprouted I of course do not include the > Boophone seed a friend sent, which germinated in the mail and are making > leaves with promising twists and wiggles. > > The Scilla madeirensis I received from a BX last year has re-emerged with > larger leaves (one leaf each) and the same purple spots. And the tiny > Oxalis I received this year are showing a curious range of leaf shapes > (which I care about more than blooms since there are no blue Oxalis.) > > Gastil > Santa Barbara, California > where we still have had no significant rain since May > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Mon, 14 Dec 2020 20:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <005501d6d290$f321a3c0$d964eb40$@hansennursery.com> From: R Hansen via pbs Subject: Missing Issues of The Bulb Garden Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 19:18:23 -0800 Hello, Everyone, A member has just written to me about not receiving an issue of The Bulb Garden. For those of you in Canada, there has been a brief delay of the current issue but you should receive it momentarily. It is extremely important that if you think you've missed an issue, you contact Arnold Trachtenberg at arnold140@verizon.net at your earliest convenience! Delayed or non-delivery of mail to some areas world-wide has gradually resolved and is flowing much better now, but there still be some pockets of concern. If you don't complain, we can't fix the problem. And we can fix it. Best regards, Robin Hansen President, PBS _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Mon, 14 Dec 2020 20:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <216FCA0A-275F-4E86-B673-70D2561E0DB8@kc.rr.com> From: James Waddick via pbs Subject: Iris laviegata Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 21:39:20 -0600 Dear PBS, Iris laevigata is one of the MOST HARDY of all Iris species I grow it in Kansas City in tubs that stay outdoors all year even down to single digits (F) when the containers are frozen solid in ice.They never NEVER fail to bloom. It is also the MOST WATER LOVING of all Iris species. These do best if partially or all submerged in water all year long. They suffer if allowed to dry at all. The most active hybridizer of Iris laevigata is Chad Harris, owner of Mt. Pleasant Iris Farm. I urge anyone interested in adding these selections to their garden to look at his listing of available cultivars. http://mtpleasantiris.com/catalog-mt-pleasant-iris-farm/beardless-iris/iris-laevigata-laev If planted properly in water they are trouble free and very rewarding. Jim W. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Mon, 14 Dec 2020 22:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: <439634275.807454.1608012886963@mail.yahoo.com> From: ", via pbs" Subject: Missing Issues of The Bulb Garden Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 06:14:46 +0000 (UTC) I imagine it is delays.  I just received mine today in N CA -----Original Message----- From: R Hansen via pbs To: Pacific Bulb Society Cc: R Hansen Sent: Mon, Dec 14, 2020 7:18 pm Subject: [pbs] Missing Issues of The Bulb Garden Hello, Everyone, A member has just written to me about not receiving an issue of The Bulb Garden. For those of you in Canada, there has been a brief delay of the current issue but you should receive it momentarily. It is extremely important that if you think you've missed an issue, you contact Arnold Trachtenberg at arnold140@verizon.net at your earliest convenience! Delayed or non-delivery of mail to some areas world-wide has gradually resolved and is flowing much better now, but there still be some pockets of concern. If you don't complain, we can't fix the problem. And we can fix it. Best regards, Robin Hansen President, PBS _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Tue, 15 Dec 2020 06:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <1451705165.895361.1608039789315@mail.yahoo.com> From: Arnold Trachtenberg via pbs Subject: Missing Issues of The Bulb Garden and then some Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 13:43:09 +0000 (UTC) Dear PBS'ers: Using Robin comments about mailing the Bulb Garden It's a perfect time for my end of year spiel The Bulb Gardens were dropped in the mail last Friday and Saturday. I would give it two weeks from then to declare the piece lost. I think with the holiday mail and recent reported problems with postal delivery it's prudent. Please email me privately at arnold140@verizon.net to get a replacement copy. Also it's a great time to renew you membership and pay those old B X payments.  Anyone who is unsure about arrears can contact me privately at the email address above. With the holiday season upon us it's a good idea to sit back and be thankful.  I look forward to the 22nd of Dec. for that means the days are lengthening here in the Northern Hemisphere. I also would like to thank all of you for the notes and cards I get with payments they are truly appreciated. With warm regards, Arnold TrachtenbergTreasurer, PBS _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Tue, 15 Dec 2020 10:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: From: M Gastil-Buhl via pbs Subject: correction: Hesperocallis undulata not germinated yet Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 10:16:16 -0800 Yesterday I thought my Hesperocallis undulata seed had germinated, and in a upside-down looking way. However, I was fooled by a stray dicot seed that must have fallen into the seed pot. I have a vase of dried Nigella seed pods in my seed room, probably the culprit. Please pardon my over-eager post. Gastil _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Tue, 15 Dec 2020 11:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: <1218615989.1019333.1608057341498@mail.yahoo.com> From: Robert Lauf via pbs Subject: correction: Hesperocallis undulata not germinated yet Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 18:35:41 +0000 (UTC) We've all been there at one time or another! Bob On Tuesday, December 15, 2020, 01:16:38 PM EST, M Gastil-Buhl via pbs wrote: Yesterday I thought my Hesperocallis undulata seed had germinated, and in a upside-down looking way. However, I was fooled by a stray dicot seed that must have fallen into the seed pot. I have a vase of dried Nigella seed pods in my seed room, probably the culprit. Please pardon my over-eager post. Gastil _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Tue, 15 Dec 2020 16:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <00ab01d6d339$a5dcdcc0$f1969640$@hansennursery.com> From: R Hansen via pbs Subject: ERRATA: The Bulb Garden, Vol. 18 Issue 2 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 15:25:59 -0800 Please note the following in your copy of The Bulb Garden: Jane McGary's article on her trip to Chile is in only two sections, not three as mentioned in the author's introduction on page 1. In Dan Fetty's article on the pond or water Iris, Iris laevigata, please note that "laeviegata" is the correct spelling. In some places in his article it is spelled correctly and in some, not. Further, the error was perpetuated on the bulb forum, just to confuse everyone! On page 3, the caption for the photos has Pabellata incrassate; it should be Pabellonia incrassata. On page 11, the top left caption should read: Above: Tristagma bivalve. Below: Gavilea lutea. My sincere apologies for all the errors. More confusion on plant names is absolutely the last thing any of us needs!!! Speaking of Tristagma bivalve, does anyone grow this bulb? Best regards to you all, Robin Hansen Editor The Bulb Garden _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Tue, 15 Dec 2020 16:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <1402667987.905731.1608076256834@mail.yahoo.com> From: Marilyn Pekasky via pbs Subject: ERRATA: The Bulb Garden, Vol. 18 Issue 2 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 23:50:56 +0000 (UTC) Dear Robin: If it would be of help, I'd be happy to do a last edit on The Bulb Garden, just looking for plant name corrections and other odd edits.  I've always been one of those irritating people who, when reading something on page 14 of a book that says "565,000" and then reading about the same thing again on page 245 but it says "656,000" I know that there's been an error and know just about where in the book I saw it the first time.  I don't always catch everything, but I'm pretty good. Let me know if this is of help to you. Marilyn On Tuesday, December 15, 2020, 3:26:05 PM PST, R Hansen via pbs wrote: Please note the following in your copy of The Bulb Garden: Jane McGary's article on her trip to Chile is in only two sections, not three as mentioned in the author's introduction on page 1. In Dan Fetty's article on the pond or water Iris, Iris laevigata, please note that "laeviegata" is the correct spelling. In some places in his article it is spelled correctly and in some, not. Further, the error was perpetuated on the bulb forum, just to confuse everyone! On page 3, the caption for the photos has Pabellata incrassate; it should be Pabellonia incrassata. On page 11, the top left caption should read: Above: Tristagma bivalve. Below: Gavilea lutea. My sincere apologies for all the errors. More confusion on plant names is absolutely the last thing any of us needs!!! Speaking of Tristagma bivalve, does anyone grow this bulb? Best regards to you all, Robin Hansen Editor The Bulb Garden _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Tue, 15 Dec 2020 18:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: From: David Pilling via pbs Subject: ERRATA: The Bulb Garden, Vol. 18 Issue 2 Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2020 01:34:24 +0000 Hi, On 15/12/2020 23:25, R Hansen via pbs wrote: > In Dan Fetty's article on the pond or water Iris, Iris laevigata, please > note that "laeviegata" is the correct spelling. The correct spelling is "Iris laevigata" as on the PBS wiki (and The Plant List). If anyone has some photos of the species they'd allow us to have on the wiki, please send them to me by private email. Picking up Arnold's point, I look forward to Dec 17th, because the nights start to get lighter then. -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sat, 19 Dec 2020 05:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <663AE974-9E3E-41FA-A005-46461BA819BB@t-online.de> From: Johannes-Ulrich Urban via pbs Subject: Lachenalia viridiflora Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2020 12:18:21 +0000 Dear All, From a November 2018 sowing of seed from Oron Peri I have this potful of Lachenalia viridiflora. It is the form with spotted leaves. A sowing of the same age of Silverhill Seeds is also flowering now but with plain green leaves. The flowers are the same, both show some colour variation. Yesterday on a sunny day I hand pollinated the flowers. I wonder how they are being pollinated in nature with such an unusual color. It would be interesting to compare with an ultraviolet photo. The mouth of the individual flower is very narrow, I had some difficulty to insert a small paintbrush but then there was a lot of pollen. Only by doing this I discovered that the stigma is hair thin and protruding one or two millimeters from the mouth. But not in all of the flowers, only in the older ones. I compared with another picture I took some days earlier and there are no visible stigmata. I hope for all of us that my attempts to pollinate the flowers are successful..... Does anybody know about the pollinators in habitat? All the best and greetings from mild and rainy weather, Uli The first picture is an earlier one without visible stigmata, the second picture was taken today with short white stigmata protruding and the third one is an enlargement showing the details in the blue circle. All pictures from the same pot. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've started seeds of some Lachenalias from SX and from our friend Gastil and most are germinating.  The seeds are in moist promix or in some cases pure perlite in disposable food storage containers.  They spent a few weeks either outside or in a cool south facing bay window, being generally cool and cooler at night.  Then I moved them down into a room where they get some bottom heat, and germination began in a few days.  Some others were in the greenhouse since the previous SX and had done virtually nothing.  They went into the bottom heat and began germinating in earnest.  So I have lots of seedlings of lots of species and it's great to know I'll live long enough to see them bloom (and share in a future BX). Bob    East Tennessee where it is now getting into the 20s after a very late frost. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sat, 19 Dec 2020 10:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: <1692833261.2573720.1608398315264@mail.yahoo.com> From: Arnold Trachtenberg via pbs Subject: Lachenalia viridiflora Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2020 17:18:35 +0000 (UTC)   Does anybody know about the  pollinators in habitat?  As per Graham Duncan: Pollinated by Southern Double Collared Sunbirds ( Cinntris chalybeus). https://ebird.org/species/sdcsun3 ArnoldNew Jersey _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sat, 19 Dec 2020 13:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: <8B89D23C-E0D5-4D6C-BACD-CF926FB44511@islandnet.com> From: Diane via pbs Subject: Lachenalia viridiflora Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2020 12:35:29 -0800 My Lachenalia viridiflora is blooming now, too, with plain green leaves. I decided to check the PBS Wiki to see whether it shows viridiflora with spotted leaves. It doesn’t, but there is another almost-turquoise species on the same page, Lachenalia vanzyliae, and it has spotted leaves. Diane Whitehead Victoria British Columbia, Canada _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sat, 19 Dec 2020 13:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: <828551255.2585996.1608412402881@mail.yahoo.com> From: Arnold Trachtenberg via pbs Subject: Lachenalia viridiflora Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2020 21:13:22 +0000 (UTC) Have to back to the expert. Duncan: " Superficially the flowers of L. vanzyliae resemble those of the much earlier flowering L. viridiflora, which differs mainly in its spreading to suberect perianth with much less shorter outer (7-9 mm long) and inner tepals ( 10-13 mm long), with the outer tepals uniformly greenish-turquoise to bright turquoise." I think the timing of flowering is a much easier way to distinguish the two. Arnold -----Original Message----- From: Diane via pbs To: Pacific Bulb Society Cc: Diane Sent: Sat, Dec 19, 2020 3:35 pm Subject: Re: [pbs] Lachenalia viridiflora My Lachenalia viridiflora is blooming now, too, with plain green leaves. I decided to check the PBS Wiki to see whether it shows viridiflora with spotted leaves. It doesn’t, but there is another almost-turquoise species on the same page, Lachenalia vanzyliae, and it has spotted leaves. Diane Whitehead Victoria British Columbia, Canada _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sat, 19 Dec 2020 14:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <336791035.2619098.1608412754193@mail.yahoo.com> From: Robert Lauf via pbs Subject: Lachenalia viridiflora Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2020 21:19:14 +0000 (UTC) I, too, have been enjoying my blooming viridiflora for several weeks.  I think I also have vanzyliae.  Any suggestions on when I should expect it to come into bloom?  It's in a coolish greenhouse here in Zone 7. Bob _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sat, 19 Dec 2020 14:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <1053976071.2573103.1608413031482@mail.yahoo.com> From: Arnold Trachtenberg via pbs Subject: Lachenalia viridiflora Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2020 21:23:51 +0000 (UTC) Bob May to June for L. viridiflora + six months = Nov.-Dec. and September to early November for L. vanzyliae + six months = Feb.-March I'm sure these are approximate dates subject to temperatures and other growing conditions. Arnold -----Original Message----- From: Robert Lauf via pbs To: Arnold Trachtenberg via pbs Cc: Robert Lauf Sent: Sat, Dec 19, 2020 4:19 pm Subject: Re: [pbs] Lachenalia viridiflora I, too, have been enjoying my blooming viridiflora for several weeks.  I think I also have vanzyliae.  Any suggestions on when I should expect it to come into bloom?  It's in a coolish greenhouse here in Zone 7. Bob     _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sun, 20 Dec 2020 08:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: From: M Gastil-Buhl via pbs Subject: Lachenalia viridiflora Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 07:40:01 -0800 Mine have been the most showy pots in the screenhouse for a while now. (See scrubbed link below.) I have the spotted-leaved ones, at least most of them have spots. I had looked up my provenance data for this when I recently shared some with a local PBS member. Lachenalia viridiflora BX 339 #16 donated by Arnold Trachtenberg originally 6 bulblets received 2013-May-28 I have not observed bees with this species but the Lachenalia orchioides and that ssp. glaucina both keep bees busy, so much so a beekeeper friend asked for a pot of them in bloom to lure her swarm home. (Those bloom in spring when more bees are active so it is not a fair comparison.) Most interesting about germination happening after bottom heat was applied. I have not tried that and nearly all my seed pots have no sprouts. May I ask how much heat (what temperature) and is it constant or a daily fluctuation? In the open garden soil below where pots of other Lachenalia species bloomed last year there are abundant volunteer seedlings. Zone 9b or 10a. Gastil Santa Barbara, California where we have light frost this morning for the first time in weeks, and still no rain. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Lachenalia_viridiflora_mgb1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2218058 bytes Desc: not available URL: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sun, 20 Dec 2020 08:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: <737B9C66-5AD9-4CBE-A9C5-3A18CBBCEBF9@yahoo.com> From: Pia Binha via pbs Subject: Iridaceae seed Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 10:48:45 -0500 do Irid seed stay viable after years of storage in the fridge? or do they lose viability quickly? ======= tsuh yang _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sun, 20 Dec 2020 08:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: From: Paul Cumbleton via pbs Subject: Lachenalia viridiflora Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 16:13:21 +0000 According to the Colour Encyclopedia of Cape Bulbs, Sunbirds are the pollinators of Lachenalia vanzyliae as well as the other species with long tubular flowers (L. aloides, L. bulbifera, L. reflexa, L. rubida and L. viridiflora). Most other species are pollinated by bees of the family Apidae. I grow both Lachenalia viridiflora and L. vanzyliae. For me (U.K. zone 8), L. viridiflora flowers November/December and L. vanzyliae flowers in March. Paul Cumbleton (Southwestern U.K., Zone 8) _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sun, 20 Dec 2020 09:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: From: Jim Foster via pbs Subject: Lachenalia viridiflora Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 08:34:11 -0800 I live near Gastil and last week she kindly dropped a pot of these by my house.  They were unknown to me at the time but having looked them up I was blown away by the flower color.  The ones in the pot do have emerging inflorescence's so I'm quite excited about seeing the flowers up close.  These are the spotted leaf variety. Thank you for the thoughtful gift Gastil. Jim Foster Santa Barbara _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sun, 20 Dec 2020 09:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <227506390.2738741.1608482090812@mail.yahoo.com> From: Robert Lauf via pbs Subject: Lachenalia viridiflora Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 16:34:50 +0000 (UTC) OK, I'll risk embarrassing myself by describing my homebrew system, whose claim to fame is that it's free and it works. As I have mentioned, I sow in either perlite, promix, or a mixture of the two in disposable plastic food containers.  The snack size are five for maybe $3 and are translucent with pale blue translucent tops.  The medium is made fairly damp before sowing.  Because the containers are sealed, they can be placed anywhere without leaking or needing a tray under them.  You can also write on them with a Sharpie or a wax pencil. For bottom heat, I have lined some up on top of the fluorescent fixture over an aquarium, so the bottom heat is quite gentle, but enough that a lot of condensation appears on the inside of the lid and sides.  When I filled that space I turned to a temporarily unoccupied reptile tank that has a bottom heating pad attached adhesively to the underside of the glass.  I turned it on and set several containers on the glass over the heating pad.  The next day it seemed to be way too warm, so I moved them so about half of each container is over the mat, and that seems pretty good.  Lots of condensation and warmer than the ones on the light fixture but not cooking anything. All of my Lach. seeds and those of Veltheimia bracteata are responding well.  Lots of bottom-heated seed starter trays are out there and I haven't compared the prices to the heating pad, which is available in pet stores, to see what would be cheaper.  The seed starter trays would provide more area to work with and an optimal temperature, but I used what I already had and I'm satisfied with the results. Once most of the seeds have germinated, I move the containers to the greenhouse so they can get lots more light.  The greenhouse is cooler but they don't seem to be distressed by the move. I can further embarrass myself by sending photos of all this, but I think it's pretty easy to picture the setup.  BTW, anyone with a flora-cart or other growing space with fluorescent fixtures on top has some similar real estate to exploit in this way. Bob _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sun, 20 Dec 2020 12:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <2EA05578-47D5-4910-917E-F546BF995DF8@gmail.com> From: "Carlo A. Balistrieri via pbs" Subject: Lachenalia viridiflora Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 14:27:16 -0500 Wow Gastil! Great leaves to go with the flowers we all know and love! 👍🏼🌱❤️ Carlo > On Dec 20, 2020, at 11:34 AM, Robert Lauf via pbs wrote: > >  I have not tried that and nearly all my seed pots have no sprouts. May I > ask how much heat (what temperature) and is it constant or a daily > fluctuation?> > OK, I'll risk embarrassing myself by describing my homebrew system, whose claim to fame is that it's free and it works. > As I have mentioned, I sow in either perlite, promix, or a mixture of the two in disposable plastic food containers. The snack size are five for maybe $3 and are translucent with pale blue translucent tops. The medium is made fairly damp before sowing. Because the containers are sealed, they can be placed anywhere without leaking or needing a tray under them. You can also write on them with a Sharpie or a wax pencil. > For bottom heat, I have lined some up on top of the fluorescent fixture over an aquarium, so the bottom heat is quite gentle, but enough that a lot of condensation appears on the inside of the lid and sides. When I filled that space I turned to a temporarily unoccupied reptile tank that has a bottom heating pad attached adhesively to the underside of the glass. I turned it on and set several containers on the glass over the heating pad. The next day it seemed to be way too warm, so I moved them so about half of each container is over the mat, and that seems pretty good. Lots of condensation and warmer than the ones on the light fixture but not cooking anything. > All of my Lach. seeds and those of Veltheimia bracteata are responding well. Lots of bottom-heated seed starter trays are out there and I haven't compared the prices to the heating pad, which is available in pet stores, to see what would be cheaper. The seed starter trays would provide more area to work with and an optimal temperature, but I used what I already had and I'm satisfied with the results. > Once most of the seeds have germinated, I move the containers to the greenhouse so they can get lots more light. The greenhouse is cooler but they don't seem to be distressed by the move. > I can further embarrass myself by sending photos of all this, but I think it's pretty easy to picture the setup. BTW, anyone with a flora-cart or other growing space with fluorescent fixtures on top has some similar real estate to exploit in this way. > Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sun, 20 Dec 2020 15:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: <2081135902.2833928.1608503050979@mail.yahoo.com> From: Arnold Trachtenberg via pbs Subject: new member question Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 22:24:10 +0000 (UTC) Randy Welcome to the Pacific Bulb Society. Your new member packet is on the way to you. All good questions. I grow here in N. New Jersey only a few species tulips . I have found that the hybrids don't last very long and get the 'dwindles'. I know in Holland on a commercial scale tulips are lifted as soon as the foliage ripens and stored under specific climatic conditions. I can't give you the details, but maybe there is someone who knows more about this. I grow two or three species which have returned every year with out fail. Tulipa ferganica, Tulipa tarda and Tulipa altaica.  They are all found in the Tien Shan region of China which may attribute to their success here. They are all very similar yellow with some color and the reverse of the petals. Good luck with your project ArnoldNew Jersey -----Original Message----- From: RANDALL C CARMEN G Miller To: arnold140@verizon.net Sent: Sun, Dec 20, 2020 1:50 pm Subject: new member question My name is Randy Miller and I live in Boise, Idaho.  My phone number is 208-562-1110.I joined the Pacific Bulb Society early this morning and tried to find relative comments or answers to some questions I have with very limited success.I planted app. 300 tulip bulbs last fall in ground planted with strawberries and other ground cover plants which are watered during the growing season.  I plan to take them up after the foliage dies to avoid losing bulbs to rotting during the summer.My questions are as follows: - I plan to cut the flower stem after the flower fades, remove the leaves when they turn yellow and retrieve the bulb.  How much stem should I leave attached to the bulb? - Should I wash off the bulbs and let them dry on paper or other material or is it better to let the dirt dry and brush it off before packaging them for storage? - I am considering placing the bulbs in paper bags wrapped in paper or use sawdust, wood shavings, or vermiculite to separate the bulbs.  Is this a good solution or is there a better way? - I then plan to place the paper bags in boxes with holes cut in them for ventilation.  How good is this approach? - I plan to store the bulbs in the garage or the crawl space.  The garage is insulated but the roll up door is left open for much of the day during the summer.  Which of these places would be best? - I also will be planting gladiolas and dahlias this coming spring and have some similar questions. It would be very nice if someone with some knowledge and interest could telephone me to talk about tulips and even other bulbs and or tubers.  I navigate the computer with questionable results but I welcome comments any way I can get them.Thank you for you’r organization and anything you can do to further my education.Sent from Mail for Windows 10   _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sun, 20 Dec 2020 15:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: <39b8fc96-3d5b-caf1-0976-feaa571b8c56@gmail.com> From: Judy Glattstein via pbs Subject: Keeping Tulips from Year to year: Was: new member question Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 17:45:13 -0500 Randy, let me warn you that mice (and other rodents) find tulip bulbs to be a delicious addition to the menu. Unless your garage / crawl space is vermin proof there will be damage to stored tulip bulbs. In nature wild species of tulips are commonly found growing with very dry summer conditions. Initiation of root primordia in autumn is  from moisture stored within the bulb, before autumn rains. Summer watering in a garden confuses the bulbs and the result - a single large "rabbit ear" leaf and no flowers the following spring. Arnold's suggestion of species tulips is a very good one. Greigii and Kaufmanniana hybrids - earlier into flower, shorter growing than the Darwin / Triumph hybrids - also tend to be more reliable. Good drainage, full sun, very little summer water are important. Judy also in New Jersey, over by the Delaware River On 12/20/2020 5:24 PM, Arnold Trachtenberg via pbs wrote: > Randy > Welcome to the Pacific Bulb Society. > Your new member packet is on the way to you. > All good questions. > I grow here in N. New Jersey only a few species tulips . > I have found that the hybrids don't last very long and get the 'dwindles'. > I know in Holland on a commercial scale tulips are lifted as soon as the foliage ripens and stored under specific climatic conditions. > I can't give you the details, but maybe there is someone who knows more about this. > I grow two or three species which have returned every year with out fail. > Tulipa ferganica, Tulipa tarda and Tulipa altaica.  They are all found in the Tien Shan region of China which may attribute to their success here. > They are all very similar yellow with some color and the reverse of the petals. > > Good luck with your project > ArnoldNew Jersey > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: RANDALL C CARMEN G Miller > To: arnold140@verizon.net > Sent: Sun, Dec 20, 2020 1:50 pm > Subject: new member question > > My name is Randy Miller and I live in Boise, Idaho.  My phone number is 208-562-1110.I joined the Pacific Bulb Society early this morning and tried to find relative comments or answers to some questions I have with very limited success.I planted app. 300 tulip bulbs last fall in ground planted with strawberries and other ground cover plants which are watered during the growing season.  I plan to take them up after the foliage dies to avoid losing bulbs to rotting during the summer.My questions are as follows: > - I plan to cut the flower stem after the flower fades, remove the leaves when they turn yellow and retrieve the bulb.  How much stem should I leave attached to the bulb? > - Should I wash off the bulbs and let them dry on paper or other material or is it better to let the dirt dry and brush it off before packaging them for storage? > - I am considering placing the bulbs in paper bags wrapped in paper or use sawdust, wood shavings, or vermiculite to separate the bulbs.  Is this a good solution or is there a better way? > - I then plan to place the paper bags in boxes with holes cut in them for ventilation.  How good is this approach? > - I plan to store the bulbs in the garage or the crawl space.  The garage is insulated but the roll up door is left open for much of the day during the summer.  Which of these places would be best? > - I also will be planting gladiolas and dahlias this coming spring and have some similar questions. > It would be very nice if someone with some knowledge and interest could telephone me to talk about tulips and even other bulbs and or tubers.  I navigate the computer with questionable results but I welcome comments any way I can get them.Thank you for you’r organization and anything you can do to further my education.Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sun, 20 Dec 2020 17:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <518A526A-EA22-4358-AA26-24D45B3EDED6@t-online.de> From: Johannes-Ulrich Urban via pbs Subject: Lachenalia viridiflora Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 00:25:09 +0000 Dear All, Thank you very much for your comments on my pictures of Lachenalia viridiflora. It looks as if I would need Graham Duncan‘s book on Lachenalia...... If the flowering time is so different for Lachenalia viridiflora and Lachenalia vanzyliae, I would think that my plants should be viridiflora. I am surprised that they flower so early because in general my Lachenalia flower in spring. This genus is relatively new to me. The flowers in both the spotted and plain green leaved forms look the same. Bob, do you fertilize your seedlings? If you grow them in pure perlite they may be starved. Another important point to get them to flowering size quickly is to keep them green in spring as long as possible by very carefully watering and cool growing conditions and also potting on. I described my growing technique in one of the past issues of the Bulb Garden in detail. Bye for now, Uli _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sun, 20 Dec 2020 18:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: From: Robert Parks via pbs Subject: Lachenalia viridiflora Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 17:39:31 -0800 I recently purchased several L. viridiflora from Annies (Richmond, CA), the plants on sale had leaves that ranged from pure green to very heavily spotted with purplish spots. All were in bud a month ago, and the ones I brought home are just starting to open flowers. Robert in San Francisco, where wetting rains have finally started On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 4:25 PM Johannes-Ulrich Urban via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > Dear All, > > Thank you very much for your comments on my pictures of Lachenalia > viridiflora. It looks as if I would need Graham Duncan‘s book on > Lachenalia...... > > If the flowering time is so different for Lachenalia viridiflora and > Lachenalia vanzyliae, I would think that my plants should be viridiflora. I > am surprised that they flower so early because in general my Lachenalia > flower in spring. This genus is relatively new to me. > The flowers in both the spotted and plain green leaved forms look the same. > > Bob, do you fertilize your seedlings? If you grow them in pure perlite > they may be starved. Another important point to get them to flowering size > quickly is to keep them green in spring as long as possible by very > carefully watering and cool growing conditions and also potting on. I > described my growing technique in one of the past issues of the Bulb Garden > in detail. > > Bye for now, > > Uli > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sun, 20 Dec 2020 21:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: From: Chad Cox via pbs Subject: Pyrolirion? Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 20:43:44 -0800 Seasons greetings to all, I am curious if anyone knows a source for seeds of any species in the genus pyrolirion? I am very interested in this genus but can find minimal information about it other what is on the wiki. Happy holidays, Chad Cox in Elverta CA, Zone 8ish Sent from my iPhone Chad L. Cox, Ph.D. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sun, 20 Dec 2020 22:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: From: RANDALL C CARMEN G Miller via pbs Subject: digging up tulip bulbs, preparing and storing them during the winter Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 04:52:22 +0000 My name is Randy Miller and I just joined this society. I live in Boise, Idaho which is zone 7A and my phone number is 208-562-1110. I would enjoy hearing or reading any comments concerning the above subject. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sun, 20 Dec 2020 22:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: <178e01d6d75f$8b10b040$a13210c0$@q.com> From: Robert Nold via pbs Subject: digging up tulip bulbs, preparing and storing them during the winter Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 23:07:20 -0700 My name is Randy Miller and I just joined this society. I live in Boise, Idaho which is zone 7A and my phone number is 208-562-1110. I would enjoy hearing or reading any comments concerning the above subject. Hi. I can think of no reason, aside from just wanting to (which is fine), for digging up tulips to store for the winter in Idaho. They should be perfectly fine left in the ground. Bob Nold Denver, Colorado 7C at 11 p.m. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Mon, 21 Dec 2020 09:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: From: mark akimoff via pbs Subject: digging up tulip bulbs, preparing and storing them during the winter Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 08:47:18 -0800 Hi Randy, I grow hundreds of different tulips to recreate a historic garden display in Salem, Oregon every year. We have a pretty elaborate process for dealing with the tulips in the garden, after they are finished blooming, usually around May, but before the leaves die back they are dug up, dipped in a sulfur or copper solution to deal with fungal issues and bundled up by variety, wrapped in burlap and then healed in a dry bed until the leaves die back in mid summer. Here is a blog post with some visuals: https://gaietyhollow.com/2020/05/04/busy-times-in-the-garden/ This is done because the summer beds that display the tulips are irrigated for the summer perennial and annual display and most tulips don't want any summer water, but you have to let the leaves die back attached to the bulbs so they set flowers for the next season. After the leaves have all died back the bulbs are graded out with the largest and healthiest saved for next years display, these are stored in paper bags, after a sulfur dusting, and stored in a cool garage until the fall rains return. Here is a post that illustrates this: https://gaietyhollow.com/2020/07/ In October or November the Tulips are planted back into the beds and the whole process starts over, lot's of old timers advise to not plant tulips until after a few hard frosts so the ground has cooled, but sometimes busy fall gardening schedules say you plant when you can. I don't think you will find any problem with winter hardiness in Idaho, but for good repetitive success with tulips it's the summer water you have to avoid, which for us means digging them up in the summer and storing them dry until fall planting. Happy Holidays! Mark Akimoff On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 10:07 PM Robert Nold via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > My name is Randy Miller and I just joined this society. I live in Boise, > Idaho which is zone 7A and my phone number is 208-562-1110. > I would enjoy hearing or reading any comments concerning the above subject. > > > Hi. I can think of no reason, aside from just wanting to (which is fine), > for digging up tulips to store for the winter in Idaho. They should be > perfectly fine left in the ground. > > Bob Nold > Denver, Colorado > 7C at 11 p.m. > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Mon, 21 Dec 2020 10:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: From: Ottoline Clapham via pbs Subject: Tulip growing Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 08:47:45 -0800 Randy, I live in Yuba City , Central Valley CA , dry summer , wet winter. I have a tulip patch that is in a spot that the sprinklers miss and they come up every winter and most flower. The squirrels have thankfully not found them yet . _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Mon, 21 Dec 2020 09:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: From: Peter Taggart via pbs Subject: digging up tulip bulbs, preparing and storing them during the winter Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 17:09:55 +0000 I think that this process has a lot to do with producing an even display of flowers, (matching stem heights, flower size...), rather than simply growing the varieties. "Perfection of form", rather than "According to character". Peter (UK) On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 at 16:47, mark akimoff via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > Hi Randy, > > I grow hundreds of different tulips to recreate a historic garden display > in Salem, Oregon every year. We have a pretty elaborate process for dealing > with the tulips in the garden, after they are finished blooming, usually > around May, but before the leaves die back they are dug up, dipped in a > sulfur or copper solution to deal with fungal issues and bundled up by > variety, wrapped in burlap and then healed in a dry bed until the leaves > die back in mid summer.... > > This is done because the summer beds that display the tulips are irrigated > for the summer perennial and annual display and most tulips don't want any > summer water, but you have to let the leaves die back attached to the bulbs > so they set flowers for the next season. After the leaves have all died > back the bulbs are graded out with the largest and healthiest saved for > next years display, these are stored in paper bags, after a sulfur dusting, > and stored in a cool garage until the fall rains return. > > In October or November the Tulips are planted back into the beds and the > whole process starts over, .... > > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Mon, 21 Dec 2020 10:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: <704790374.1996325.1608573769058@mail.yahoo.com> From: Rodney Barton via pbs Subject: Iridaceae seed Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 18:02:49 +0000 (UTC) I believe that irids vary a lot. Some iris have been documented to stay viable for many years and some of the other irids are said to need immediate planting. I've had a few germinate after several years. If you have seed it can't hurt to try them. Rod On Sunday, December 20, 2020, 9:48:59 AM CST, Pia Binha via pbs wrote: do Irid seed stay viable after years of storage in the fridge?  or do they lose viability quickly? ======= tsuh yang _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Mon, 21 Dec 2020 10:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: <039a2164-0dc5-79f6-79f6-c30f1ea2d931@earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary via pbs Subject: Chilean plant guides Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 10:05:19 -0800 For those who have read my article in the new Bulb Garden and hope to get the books mentioned, I just found this in a newsletter from a Chilean botanic garden: Además, queremos compartirles esta buena noticia sobre la venta de libros de Flora Nativa de valor ornamental, que pueden solicitar mediante correo electrónico directamente a los mails itamar@aschile.cl  y mvlegassa@gmail.com , o bien, mediante compra directa en vivero Pumahuida (Carretera Gral San Martin,calle local oriente 7021, Chile, Huechuraba. Horario Lunes a viernes 8:30 a 13:30 y Sábados de 8:30 a 12:30). "Also, we want to share this good news on the sale of the books Flora native de valor ornamental, which can be ordered electronically directly at the address itamar@aschile.cl and mvlgassa@gmail.com, or bought in person at the Pumahuida garden center (Carretera Gral San Martin, calle local oriente 7021, Huecharaba, Chile, hours etc." I'm not sure how easy it will be to order these books from a foreign country, because in my experience Chilean vendors usually want to be paid by electronic funds transfer (not credit card), and the shipping cost for books is very high. However, it's great to see that these have been reprinted. The volumes available, according to the newsletter, are Zona Centro, Zona Norte, and Zona Cordillera (the last is on alpines, and larger and more technical than the earlier volumes in the series). Jane McGary _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Mon, 21 Dec 2020 11:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: From: Mary Sue Ittner via pbs Subject: digging up tulip bulbs, preparing and storing them during the winter Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 10:32:26 -0800 Since Tulips were one of the first bulbs I fell in love with and they don't get enough cold in the winter in Northern California to come back even though I can give them dry summers, I grow them in pots and store them dry over the summer in paper bags in my house, unpotting after the leaves die back. Then I prechill them 4-6 weeks before planting, usually in December. I don't dust them or pack them in any material and it is rare that I have to throw any away when it comes time to pot them. Since I've been doing this for probably 35 years or more I have learned which species and hybrids do well with this treatment and flower every year for me. So it seems there are a variety of approaches that work. Mary Sue _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Mon, 21 Dec 2020 12:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <2EEC905E-5456-4AE2-BE27-11F3BC5E6DC4@yahoo.com> From: Pia Binha via pbs Subject: Iridaceae seed Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 14:36:13 -0500 thank you for your reply. after i sent my query, i realized i was thinking of Albuca cf. spiralis, which is not an Irid., but i gather your advice still applies. these seed are a bit old and i did not have any luck in the past with germination. i just found them in the fridge again and there are quite a few. i have planted them again but not too hopeful. thanks again. ======= tsuh yang > On Dec 21, 2020, at 1:03 PM, Rodney Barton via pbs wrote: > >  I believe that irids vary a lot. Some iris have been documented to stay viable for many years and some of the other irids are said to need immediate planting. I've had a few germinate after several years. If you have seed it can't hurt to try them. > > Rod > > On Sunday, December 20, 2020, 9:48:59 AM CST, Pia Binha via pbs wrote: > > do Irid seed stay viable after years of storage in the fridge? or do they lose viability quickly? > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Mon, 21 Dec 2020 12:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Carlo A. Balistrieri via pbs" Subject: Iridaceae seed Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 15:06:34 -0500 Taught, Even if you only get a few it’s a win!👍🏼🌱 Carlo Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 21, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Pia Binha via pbs wrote: > > thank you for your reply. after i sent my query, i realized i was thinking of Albuca cf. spiralis, which is not an Irid., but i gather your advice still applies. these seed are a bit old and i did not have any luck in the past with germination. i just found them in the fridge again and there are quite a few. i have planted them again but not too hopeful. > > thanks again. > > ======= > tsuh yang > > >> On Dec 21, 2020, at 1:03 PM, Rodney Barton via pbs wrote: >> >>  I believe that irids vary a lot. Some iris have been documented to stay viable for many years and some of the other irids are said to need immediate planting. I've had a few germinate after several years. If you have seed it can't hurt to try them. >> >> Rod >> >> On Sunday, December 20, 2020, 9:48:59 AM CST, Pia Binha via pbs wrote: >> >> do Irid seed stay viable after years of storage in the fridge? or do they lose viability quickly? >> > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Mon, 21 Dec 2020 15:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: <28C350B7-2C0E-4D39-94A4-AE981383E6F8@t-online.de> From: Johannes-Ulrich Urban via pbs Subject: Lachenalia viridiflora Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 22:56:29 +0000 Dear All, Here is another picture of both forms of Lachenalia viridiflora, on the left is the form with spotted leaves grown from Oron Peri seed. On the right the plain leaved form from Silverhill seed which is shorter. The second picture is a closeup of the Silverhill form. I have looked at the flowers following our discussion and cannot find any difference. The white spots on the leaves of the Silverhill form were caused by a hailstorm. Both forms were sown in November 2018 and flower for the first time. The dark green leaves with a pale rim in front are from a Scilla. I grow several different bulb species in the same pot. My winter growing bulb seed is completely kept outside in the open garden and exposed to the elements and fluctuating temperatures in a frost free Mediterranean climate. Not all the seeds germinate but in general the results are very good. I would have thought that warmth would rather prevent germination because it signals the onset of dry weather and herewith dormancy in their natural habitat. Bye for now Uli -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Following the advice given to me by Rachel Saunders after a similar question many years ago, I do no longer sow seed of winter growing bulbs after the end of December. It is better to store the seed until the following fall because being sown too late will not give the seedling bulbs enough time to develop a bulb big enough to survive the first dormancy. This applies to the northern hemisphere, of course. Personally I have the experience that seed of Iridaceae, Lilium, Cyclamen, Gesneriads and many others will germinate well even after several years if stored in a fridge. There is nothing to lose in sowing..... But some seed, especially of the genus Iris can enter into a deep prolonged dormancy which is difficult to overcome. Uli _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 25 Dec 2020 11:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: <1963732863.2756545.1608921637479@mail.yahoo.com> From: John Wickham via pbs Subject: Squirrel Deterrence Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 18:40:37 +0000 (UTC) The squirrels in my neighborhood have apparently taken a liking to my Lachenalia collection. All the leaves have been devoured and pots have been dug up. This despite having the entire collection in an enclosed space. They've left the adjacent table filled with Oxalis, Babiana, and Tritonia alone. I'm looking for weaknesses in the structure of my enclosure. But any ideas on other strategies to deter these monsters? _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 25 Dec 2020 11:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: <55964148.4415405.1608922576244@mail.yahoo.com> From: Arnold Trachtenberg via pbs Subject: Squirrel Deterrence Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 18:56:16 +0000 (UTC) I've used moth balls for a deterrent. Be aware that in some places they may be considered  harmful to humans. I've only used them in an outdoor environment. Arnold -----Original Message----- From: John Wickham via pbs To: Pacific Bulb Society Cc: John Wickham Sent: Fri, Dec 25, 2020 1:40 pm Subject: [pbs] Squirrel Deterrence The squirrels in my neighborhood have apparently taken a liking to my Lachenalia collection. All the leaves have been devoured and pots have been dug up. This despite having the entire collection in an enclosed space. They've left the adjacent table filled with Oxalis, Babiana, and Tritonia alone. I'm looking for weaknesses in the structure of my enclosure. But any ideas on other strategies to deter these monsters? _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 25 Dec 2020 11:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: From: Diane via pbs Subject: Squirrel Deterrence Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 10:57:37 -0800 I knew someone in Toronto who used to buy bags of walnuts to feed her squirrels. I know they like walnuts because they collect them from trees in my neighbourhood and plant them in my yard where they grow rather quickly. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 25 Dec 2020 11:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: From: Giant Coreopsis via pbs Subject: Squirrel Deterrence Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 10:58:30 -0800 Hey John - We use a sprinkler with a motion sensor. Works pretty well. Chris On Dec 25, 2020, at 10:42 AM, John Wickham via pbs wrote: The squirrels in my neighborhood have apparently taken a liking to my Lachenalia collection. All the leaves have been devoured and pots have been dug up. This despite having the entire collection in an enclosed space. They've left the adjacent table filled with Oxalis, Babiana, and Tritonia alone. I'm looking for weaknesses in the structure of my enclosure. But any ideas on other strategies to deter these monsters? _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 25 Dec 2020 11:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: From: Vlad Hempel via pbs Subject: Squirrel Deterrence Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 20:00:58 +0100 We also give then wallnuts, their main treat, hazelnuts and peanuts come after this. We are fine, we like them actually. On Fri 25. Dec 2020 at 19:57 Diane via pbs wrote: > I knew someone in Toronto who used to buy bags of walnuts to feed her > squirrels. > > I know they like walnuts because they collect them from trees in my > neighbourhood and plant them in my yard where they grow rather quickly. > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 25 Dec 2020 11:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: <003f01d6daf1$172b3750$4581a5f0$@hansennursery.com> From: R Hansen via pbs Subject: Squirrel Deterrence Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 11:06:45 -0800 Squirrel deterrence - well add rat deterrence if you will. What makes me angry is how picky they are, choosing the really precious bulbs. I'm a firm believer in cats who hunt, but unless you have a walnut tree available for free nuts, they're just too expensive to share with squirrels. Moth balls are good for some situations as Arnold says, but make sure whatever you use doesn't harm dogs, cats, etc. I think most people like squirrels so deterrence is better than death. I love the Douglas Pine Squirrels we have here, mostly brown with nice orange bellies and they are quite small compared to silver grays and others. They also seem more fragile because of size. Surely there's a happy medium somewhere???? Robin Hansen Southwest Oregon Lots of rain, wind and gloom, a good indoor day _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 25 Dec 2020 11:17:04 -0800 Message-Id: From: Aad van Beek via pbs Subject: Squirrel Deterrence Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 19:15:40 +0000 Not a clue beside fixing the weakness and put a fine raster on top of your lachenalia pots to prevent from further digging. Besides that just as you like your festive meal now these squirrels won't set long for second best nuts. Aad ________________________________ From: pbs on behalf of John Wickham via pbs Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 7:40:37 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Cc: John Wickham Subject: [pbs] Squirrel Deterrence The squirrels in my neighborhood have apparently taken a liking to my Lachenalia collection. All the leaves have been devoured and pots have been dug up. This despite having the entire collection in an enclosed space. They've left the adjacent table filled with Oxalis, Babiana, and Tritonia alone. I'm looking for weaknesses in the structure of my enclosure. But any ideas on other strategies to deter these monsters? _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 25 Dec 2020 12:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: From: Cody H via pbs Subject: Squirrel Deterrence Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 11:59:28 -0800 Have you seen the squirrels in the act? If not, I wonder if it isn’t a rat... I have been dealing with a similar problem, which in my case was definitely a Norway rat that had discovered my winter growing bulbs in the greenhouse and had been ransacking them, eating the fresh new leaves and digging up the pots and scattering the bulbs and labels, consuming most of them but leaving a few chewed in half here and there, or just yanking them up and caching them under the tables in mixed piles so now I have no idea what they are. Sigh. Years of babying these little bulbs, mostly grown from seed, all shredded in a few moments by a rat. Apparently it favored the Romuleas more than anything, followed by Gladiolus and Calochortus. Babiana and Watsonia not so much, though it still apparently found some entertainment in digging up and scattering even those bulbs it didn’t want to eat. I finally caught it today after having set about 20 traps of various kinds all around the zones of destruction, but it had continued to ransack the pots for a couple of weeks before it started testing the traps yesterday. It was a peanut butter-oatmeal mix in a powerful metal-bar-under-tension trap that finally caught it. It had been burrowing through the gravel under the edges of the greenhouse, so not much I could do to prevent entry, since the entire greenhouse rests on a gravel pad. The next greenhouse will have a concrete foundation, I think. On Fri, Dec 25, 2020 at 10:42 AM John Wickham via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > The squirrels in my neighborhood have apparently taken a liking to my > Lachenalia collection. All the leaves have been devoured and pots have been > dug up. This despite having the entire collection in an enclosed space. > They've left the adjacent table filled with Oxalis, Babiana, and Tritonia > alone. I'm looking for weaknesses in the structure of my enclosure. But any > ideas on other strategies to deter these monsters? > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > Unsubscribe: > > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 25 Dec 2020 13:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <1577908032.2764785.1608930023569@mail.yahoo.com> From: John Wickham via pbs Subject: Squirrel Deterrence Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 21:00:23 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the input. I was surprised to see the interest in Lachenalia bulbs. I'm wondering that since they are more succulent than others and there's been no rain at all, maybe they are going for the additional moisture. They've never done this before, even when the bulbs were entirely exposed. I despise the squirrels because of what they've done to my bulb collections. The Eastern Grey Squirrels are either extremely curious or defensive of their hoarded acorns. If they see me pottering around some area, they'll move in afterward to either see what I was up to or to make sure I didn't take their acorns. And then I had a collection of California native bulbs that was decimated by ground squirrels. They tested the enclosed space until they found its weakness, then moved in. Crafty. As for cats, there is one outside cat in the neighborhood and they don't mind it. There was a bobcat once (I'm in suburban Los Angeles, so this was unusual) and the squirrels DID NOT like that. It was an interesting stand-off to watch, actually. There were about half a dozen squirrels and a raven arrayed across an oak and a wall, all watching the bobcat and chattering to one another. So aside from figuring out how to get a pet bobcat, I'm probably out of luck in that area. I'll try the mothballs. Since these are enclosed areas and its just me on the property, it'd be my own fault for any resultant danger. Thanks everyone, John WickhamLos Angeles, CA On Friday, December 25, 2020, 10:56:23 AM PST, Arnold Trachtenberg via pbs wrote: I've used moth balls for a deterrent. Be aware that in some places they may be considered  harmful to humans. I've only used them in an outdoor environment. Arnold -----Original Message----- From: John Wickham via pbs To: Pacific Bulb Society Cc: John Wickham Sent: Fri, Dec 25, 2020 1:40 pm Subject: [pbs] Squirrel Deterrence The squirrels in my neighborhood have apparently taken a liking to my Lachenalia collection. All the leaves have been devoured and pots have been dug up. This despite having the entire collection in an enclosed space. They've left the adjacent table filled with Oxalis, Babiana, and Tritonia alone. I'm looking for weaknesses in the structure of my enclosure. But any ideas on other strategies to deter these monsters? _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 25 Dec 2020 13:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary via pbs Subject: Squirrel Deterrence Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 13:03:57 -0800 I agree with Cody: your problem is more likely to be a rat. One got into my garage a couple of years ago and ate the leaves off the tender plants I was keeping under lights there. As Cody found,  it took several different methods finally to kill the rat and save the plants. I haven't seen any sign of squirrels eating foliage, though they dig in pots (more to bury the peanuts some annoying neighbor feeds them, than to eat bulbs). I see them burying Douglas fir seeds under the trees, where the ground is covered with cyclamen plants, but they haven't eaten any cyclamen corms (yet). These are the large gray squirrels Robin mentioned, which have largely driven the small brown Douglas squirrels out of urban areas here. They also prey on birds' nests. I do not brake for squirrels. Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA On 12/25/2020 11:59 AM, Cody H via pbs wrote: > Have you seen the squirrels in the act? If not, I wonder if it isn’t a > rat... I have been dealing with a similar problem, which in my case was > definitely a Norway rat that had discovered my winter growing bulbs in the > greenhouse and had been ransacking them, eating the fresh new leaves and > digging up the pots and scattering the bulbs and labels, consuming most of > them but leaving a few chewed in half here and there, or just yanking them > up and caching them under the tables in mixed piles so now I have no idea > what they are. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 25 Dec 2020 14:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <1055371122.4442580.1608931273862@mail.yahoo.com> From: Robert Lauf via pbs Subject: Squirrel Deterrence Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 21:21:13 +0000 (UTC) Two thoughts: If there is any chance that the rodents are eating your bulbs strictly as a source of water, perhaps put out a nice tray of water (or birdbath) and see if it helps.  Animals typically take the easiest way out For areas that are completely under one's control (garage, fenced yard, greenhouse) just keep a generous dish of something like Ramik bait filled at all times and let the varmints enjoy it.  Oatmeal mixed with various suitable toxins, or peanut butter and castor beans are another option. If you are willing to put out a mouse trap, then recognize that all nuisance animals have no more or less claim on your sympathy.  They are all cute, fuzzy, and completely destructive, and there is no shortage of them in the environment. It's a fool's errand to try to outsmart animals that have nothing else to do all day than try to get at food.  Even though many of us are nominally retired, we have better uses of our time! Bob      Zone 7, where we have a rare white Christmas!  Spent yesterday in a cold rain getting the rest of my potted Eucomis buried under straw.  They are predicting 13 tonight, but I'll believe it when I see it. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 25 Dec 2020 14:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: From: Mark Mazer via pbs Subject: Squirrel Deterrence Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 16:31:45 -0500 Trapping, or a .22, is the most effective Eastern squirrel around here. I'm surprised they didn't go for Babiana. Mark Mazer Hertford, NC On Fri, Dec 25, 2020 at 4:22 PM Robert Lauf via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > Two thoughts: > If there is any chance that the rodents are eating your bulbs strictly as > a source of water, perhaps put out a nice tray of water (or birdbath) and > see if it helps. Animals typically take the easiest way out > For areas that are completely under one's control (garage, fenced yard, > greenhouse) just keep a generous dish of something like Ramik bait filled > at all times and let the varmints enjoy it. Oatmeal mixed with various > suitable toxins, or peanut butter and castor beans are another option. > If you are willing to put out a mouse trap, then recognize that all > nuisance animals have no more or less claim on your sympathy. They are all > cute, fuzzy, and completely destructive, and there is no shortage of them > in the environment. > It's a fool's errand to try to outsmart animals that have nothing else to > do all day than try to get at food. Even though many of us are nominally > retired, we have better uses of our time! > Bob Zone 7, where we have a rare white Christmas! Spent yesterday in > a cold rain getting the rest of my potted Eucomis buried under straw. They > are predicting 13 tonight, but I'll believe it when I see it. > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 25 Dec 2020 14:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: From: Tim Eck via pbs Subject: Squirrel Deterrence Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 17:00:47 -0500 There are some mole baits with zinc phosphide that are probably better for most rodents because they limit the collateral damage to cats and raptors. Most other poisons are slow enough that the rodents are easy to capture for a day or two and endup being eaten by hawks. For a while I entertained myself and others by greasing the steel poles supporting the birdfeeders. The squirrels would jump up about 4 feet and try to climb but slowly slide down like little firemen. You had to add more vaseline every week but it was worth it to see squirrels as pissed as I had been. Eventually they started to undermine the steel pole so I stopped feeding the birds. Tim _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 25 Dec 2020 14:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <57B64A9E-92D4-41F5-9278-5D5EBB10E8BA@gmail.com> From: Jan Jeddeloh via pbs Subject: Squirrel Deterrence Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 14:09:14 -0800 Well, I know everyone on this list is having a proper socially distanced, quiet Christmas because we all have time to discuss squirrel depredations! I haven’t had much trouble with them here in Portland even though I keep the door to my greenhouse open. They will dig a bit in pots outside, however. I know we have rats around here (scared one in the compost bin) but so far they haven’t developed a taste for bulbs. Knock on wood. If anyone is having trouble with the bushy tailed rats cleaning out their bird feeders I can heartily recommend the Squirrel Buster hanging feeders. I’ve had them for years and the squirrels have not managed to best them yet. Jan Jeddeloh, Portland, Oregon _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 25 Dec 2020 15:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: <1927469875.2782304.1608935545486@mail.yahoo.com> From: John Wickham via pbs Subject: Squirrel Deterrence Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 22:32:25 +0000 (UTC) So a rat is eating and the squirrels are digging? Swell. I won't put out poison. I guess I could trap for the rat, but there's potential for collateral damage. Then again, if something else is eating the foliage I maybe don't mind. With technology as cheap as it is, maybe a bulb cam is in order. Thanks again, everyone. John WickhamLos Angeles, CA On Friday, December 25, 2020, 2:09:22 PM PST, Jan Jeddeloh via pbs wrote: Well, I know everyone on this list is having a proper socially distanced, quiet Christmas because we all have time to discuss squirrel depredations!  I haven’t had much trouble with them here in Portland even though I keep the door to my greenhouse open. They will dig a bit in pots outside, however.  I know we have rats around here (scared one in the compost bin) but so far they haven’t developed a taste for bulbs.  Knock on wood. If anyone is having trouble with the bushy tailed rats cleaning out their bird feeders I can heartily recommend the Squirrel Buster hanging feeders.  I’ve had them for years and the squirrels have not managed to best them yet. Jan Jeddeloh, Portland, Oregon _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 25 Dec 2020 15:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: <662749923.4445905.1608937511002@mail.yahoo.com> From: Arnold Trachtenberg via pbs Subject: Squirrel Deterrence Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 23:05:10 +0000 (UTC) Tim You're correct about the low if not absent possibility of secondary poisoning with Zinc phosphide. The poison is consumed in the stomach of the primary target. There are even bait stations that limit the size of the animal that can get to it. But be aware setting out poison bait is risky if there are other mammals in the area that you do not want to target. Arnold -----Original Message----- From: Tim Eck via pbs To: Pacific Bulb Society Cc: Tim Eck Sent: Fri, Dec 25, 2020 5:00 pm Subject: Re: [pbs] Squirrel Deterrence There are some mole baits with zinc phosphide that are probably better for most rodents because they limit the collateral damage to cats and raptors. Most other poisons are slow enough that the rodents are easy to capture for a day or two and endup being eaten by hawks. For a while I entertained myself and others by greasing the steel poles supporting the birdfeeders.  The squirrels would jump up about 4 feet and try to climb but slowly slide down like little firemen.  You had to add more vaseline every week but it was worth it to see squirrels as pissed as I had been.  Eventually they started to undermine the steel pole so I stopped feeding the birds. Tim _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 25 Dec 2020 16:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <09c101d6db15$f3014070$d903c150$@frontiernet.net> From: Colleen via pbs Subject: Squirrel Deterrence Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 15:30:35 -0800 A concrete foundation won't work unless you also have a concrete floor. Pile large rocks, chunks of concrete, whatever is very heavy around the outside of the greenhouse, chicken house, etc. As something digs, the big thing descends! Colleen NE Calif. -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net] On Behalf Of Cody H via pbs Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 11:59 AM To: Pacific Bulb Society Cc: Cody H Subject: Re: [pbs] Squirrel Deterrence Have you seen the squirrels in the act? If not, I wonder if it isn’t a rat... I have been dealing with a similar problem, which in my case was definitely a Norway rat that had discovered my winter growing bulbs in the greenhouse and had been ransacking them, eating the fresh new leaves and digging up the pots and scattering the bulbs and labels, consuming most of them but leaving a few chewed in half here and there, or just yanking them up and caching them under the tables in mixed piles so now I have no idea what they are. Sigh. Years of babying these little bulbs, mostly grown from seed, all shredded in a few moments by a rat. Apparently it favored the Romuleas more than anything, followed by Gladiolus and Calochortus. Babiana and Watsonia not so much, though it still apparently found some entertainment in digging up and scattering even those bulbs it didn’t want to eat. I finally caught it today after having set about 20 traps of various kinds all around the zones of destruction, but it had continued to ransack the pots for a couple of weeks before it started testing the traps yesterday. It was a peanut butter-oatmeal mix in a powerful metal-bar-under-tension trap that finally caught it. It had been burrowing through the gravel under the edges of the greenhouse, so not much I could do to prevent entry, since the entire greenhouse rests on a gravel pad. The next greenhouse will have a concrete foundation, I think. On Fri, Dec 25, 2020 at 10:42 AM John Wickham via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > The squirrels in my neighborhood have apparently taken a liking to my > Lachenalia collection. All the leaves have been devoured and pots have been > dug up. This despite having the entire collection in an enclosed space. > They've left the adjacent table filled with Oxalis, Babiana, and Tritonia > alone. I'm looking for weaknesses in the structure of my enclosure. But any > ideas on other strategies to deter these monsters? > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > Unsubscribe: > > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 25 Dec 2020 16:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <09c201d6db17$0f69efe0$2e3dcfa0$@frontiernet.net> From: Colleen via pbs Subject: Squirrel Deterrence Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 15:38:32 -0800 Some people have had luck fighting packrats by using cheap bubble gum from the dollar store. They say it swells in their gut and is quite destructive to them. I've been using it, but while it all disappears, I don't know if it is working or not. I think it is as I see less sign. I was growing a nice heirloom squash. It was doing very well until one day I went out and found all the stalks cut at the base and put in a neat pile on top of the plant. Then they started on my tomatoes , and then.... I guess they were happy as they never touched my bulbs. Colleen NE Calif. -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net] On Behalf Of Robert Lauf via pbs Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 1:21 PM To: John Wickham via pbs Cc: Robert Lauf Subject: Re: [pbs] Squirrel Deterrence Two thoughts: If there is any chance that the rodents are eating your bulbs strictly as a source of water, perhaps put out a nice tray of water (or birdbath) and see if it helps. Animals typically take the easiest way out For areas that are completely under one's control (garage, fenced yard, greenhouse) just keep a generous dish of something like Ramik bait filled at all times and let the varmints enjoy it. Oatmeal mixed with various suitable toxins, or peanut butter and castor beans are another option. If you are willing to put out a mouse trap, then recognize that all nuisance animals have no more or less claim on your sympathy. They are all cute, fuzzy, and completely destructive, and there is no shortage of them in the environment. It's a fool's errand to try to outsmart animals that have nothing else to do all day than try to get at food. Even though many of us are nominally retired, we have better uses of our time! Bob Zone 7, where we have a rare white Christmas! Spent yesterday in a cold rain getting the rest of my potted Eucomis buried under straw. They are predicting 13 tonight, but I'll believe it when I see it. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 25 Dec 2020 18:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Randall P. Linke via pbs" Subject: On Squirrels Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 17:18:13 -0800 I went out to do dome herb picking tonight and discovered that our local squirrels had devoured a small patch of saffron crocus. The leaves were tossed aside and the bulbs, which had been dug out of the ground, were nowhere to be seen. So far nothing else that is in the open has been touched. -- _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 25 Dec 2020 18:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: From: Bob Hoel via pbs Subject: Squirrel Deterrence Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 20:06:48 -0600 The first thing is to know what you are dealing with. I had a problem earlier this summer with something eating the tops of the beet and carrot roots. Turns out it was voles. (We seem to have had a population explosion of them this year.). The way I found out what was doing the damage was a Blink camera focused on the item in question. These are motion activated and infra-red sensitive. The result is that it would captured video at night. Not only did I catch voles in the act, but the cameras were triggered by a whole host of other night and day critters……raccoons, skunks, opossums, rabbits, feral and domestic cats, a fox, mice, squirrels. And I live in a suburb of Chicago! These are not expensive and provide an amazing amount of entertainment. I compiled the various clips into a file that I loaded to youtube. Let me know if you are interested and I will post the link. As for squirrels, they are notorious for digging up the garlic cloves that I plant in the fall. To keep them from getting at them I use ½” welded wire which is too fine for most critters to get through, even mice. Stay distanced and healthy, Bob Hoel 630-240-0219 (cell) Why drive when you can use active transportation! 🚌 🚲 👣 > On Dec 25, 2020, at 5:38 PM, pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net wrote: > > Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 18:40:37 +0000 (UTC) > From: John Wickham > > To: Pacific Bulb Society > > Subject: [pbs] Squirrel Deterrence > Message-ID: <1963732863.2756545.1608921637479@mail.yahoo.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > The squirrels in my neighborhood have apparently taken a liking to my Lachenalia collection. All the leaves have been devoured and pots have been dug up. This despite having the entire collection in an enclosed space. They've left the adjacent table filled with Oxalis, Babiana, and Tritonia alone. I'm looking for weaknesses in the structure of my enclosure. But any ideas on other strategies to deter these monsters? _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sat, 26 Dec 2020 06:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: From: Johannes-Ulrich Urban via pbs Subject: Squirrels Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 13:53:29 +0000 Hello Bob, That video of yours is very interesting, yes, please, let us have the link. Does this mean that underground dwelling animals like voles come out at night? Otherwise you would not have been able to capture them on a video. Here in Portugal traps do not work at all. As soon as the voles detect a disturbance of their underground tunnels they dig a new one around the trap and block it with soil. Clever..... We do not want to use poison because we have such a rich wildlife here and we are worried about secondary poisoning if a half dead vole would be an all too easy prey for a predator. Bye for now Uli _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sat, 26 Dec 2020 09:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: From: Bob Hoel via pbs Subject: Squirrel Deterrence - by popular demand Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 11:04:26 -0600 I realize that this may be somewhat off topic, but I have had several requests for the link to the video compilation of what critters are in my yard after we go to bed. I will rationalize that this is a way to identify who is helping themselves to your prized bulbs or vegetables. As back story, it all started when I noticed that something was nibbling off the plumes of my plume-type celosia and using them as what appeared to be partially hidden bedding. Then there were the tomatoes being chomped into at night (I always thought it was squirrels but it turned out to be one or more opossums which I was able to stop by using 24” high chicken wire). That said, here is the link to the video. I have not designated it as “public” but anyone with the link should be able to access it. Be forewarned. There is violence in one clip as a vole is caught in a trap and subsequently retrieved by a raccoon! 😊 https://youtu.be/fsdckUVf9Lw Enjoy. Stay distanced and healthy, Bob Hoel 630-240-0219 (cell) Why drive when you can use active transportation! 🚌 🚲 👣 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sat, 26 Dec 2020 11:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: From: Marilyn Beaven via pbs Subject: Squirrel Deterrence - by popular demand Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 13:30:44 -0500 Fabulous. It made my day... especially documenting the tomato thief. I've long wondered just who that was. Certainly here in metro west Boston, Sudbury, we have opossums. Thanks for the info. Marilyn -----Original Message----- From: Bob Hoel via pbs Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 12:04 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Cc: Bob Hoel Subject: [pbs] Squirrel Deterrence - by popular demand I realize that this may be somewhat off topic, but I have had several requests for the link to the video compilation of what critters are in my yard after we go to bed. I will rationalize that this is a way to identify who is helping themselves to your prized bulbs or vegetables. As back story, it all started when I noticed that something was nibbling off the plumes of my plume-type celosia and using them as what appeared to be partially hidden bedding. Then there were the tomatoes being chomped into at night (I always thought it was squirrels but it turned out to be one or more opossums which I was able to stop by using 24” high chicken wire). That said, here is the link to the video. I have not designated it as “public” but anyone with the link should be able to access it. Be forewarned. There is violence in one clip as a vole is caught in a trap and subsequently retrieved by a raccoon! 😊 https://youtu.be/fsdckUVf9Lw Enjoy. Stay distanced and healthy, Bob Hoel 630-240-0219 (cell) Why drive when you can use active transportation! 🚌 🚲 👣 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sat, 26 Dec 2020 13:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <017001d6dbc4$56255b10$02701130$@verizon.net> From: Jose via pbs Subject: Squirrel Deterrence - by popular demand Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 15:18:53 -0500 Hmmm, we have them too in Cambridge and also an unfortunate infestation of rats thanks to the unending construction. This past summer, most of my tomatoes were bitten, not eaten but BITTEN!!!!! They also dug up my bulbs that were spending their summer vacation outdoors. I have never experienced a voracious summer like this past one and I've been here for more than 50 years. -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net] On Behalf Of Marilyn Beaven via pbs Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 1:31 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Cc: Marilyn Beaven Subject: Re: [pbs] Squirrel Deterrence - by popular demand Fabulous. It made my day... especially documenting the tomato thief. I've long wondered just who that was. Certainly here in metro west Boston, Sudbury, we have opossums. Thanks for the info. Marilyn -----Original Message----- From: Bob Hoel via pbs Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 12:04 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Cc: Bob Hoel Subject: [pbs] Squirrel Deterrence - by popular demand I realize that this may be somewhat off topic, but I have had several requests for the link to the video compilation of what critters are in my yard after we go to bed. I will rationalize that this is a way to identify who is helping themselves to your prized bulbs or vegetables. As back story, it all started when I noticed that something was nibbling off the plumes of my plume-type celosia and using them as what appeared to be partially hidden bedding. Then there were the tomatoes being chomped into at night (I always thought it was squirrels but it turned out to be one or more opossums which I was able to stop by using 24” high chicken wire). That said, here is the link to the video. I have not designated it as “public” but anyone with the link should be able to access it. Be forewarned. There is violence in one clip as a vole is caught in a trap and subsequently retrieved by a raccoon! 😊 https://youtu.be/fsdckUVf9Lw Enjoy. Stay distanced and healthy, Bob Hoel 630-240-0219 (cell) Why drive when you can use active transportation! 🚌 🚲 👣 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: Scanned by McAfee and confirmed virus-free. Find out more here: https://bit.ly/2zCJMrO _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sat, 26 Dec 2020 16:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: From: Tim Eck via pbs Subject: Squirrel Deterrence - by popular demand Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 18:35:57 -0500 "This past summer, most of my tomatoes were bitten, not eaten but BITTEN!!!!! " It's worth mentioning that box turtles will take bites out of tomatoes. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sat, 26 Dec 2020 18:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: <908711458.4634200.1609033172467@mail.yahoo.com> From: Robert Lauf via pbs Subject: Squirrel Deterrence - by popular demand Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2020 01:39:32 +0000 (UTC) If a low-hanging tomato has a bite out of the bottom, the culprit can be a box turtle.  They eat so many slugs that I don't begrudge them a bite or two... My main cherry tomato pest is chipmunks.  I can easily catch 2-3  day when the small live trap is set up.  I use sunflower seeds and often have to open it to let the cardinals get out! Bob _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sat, 26 Dec 2020 21:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: From: Laura Grant via pbs Subject: Squirrels Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 23:38:57 -0500 Hi Uli, If you ask the question on the web: " Does Vitamin D3 kill mice", this is the answer: This is one of the most dangerous *mouse* and rat poisons on the market. *Cholecalciferol*, or activated *vitamin D3*, causes a life-threateningly high calcium and phosphorus level in the body, resulting in severe, acute kidney failure, cardiovascular abnormalities, and tissue mineralization. The cholecalciferol, better known as *vitamin D3*, is used as a health supplement in humans. Mix Vitamin D with peanut butter. Dead rodents are not poisonous to predators. It is sad that we have to resort to eliminating these little critters but I know first hand what kind of damage they are capable of doing. Laura On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 8:53 AM Johannes-Ulrich Urban via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > Hello Bob, > > That video of yours is very interesting, yes, please, let us have the link. > > Does this mean that underground dwelling animals like voles come out at > night? Otherwise you would not have been able to capture them on a video. > > Here in Portugal traps do not work at all. As soon as the voles detect a > disturbance of their underground tunnels they dig a new one around the trap > and block it with soil. Clever..... > We do not want to use poison because we have such a rich wildlife here > and we are worried about secondary poisoning if a half dead vole would be > an all too easy prey for a predator. > > Bye for now > > Uli > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sat, 26 Dec 2020 21:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: <20247169-D53B-4B7A-A9E0-29DBF9C6ED12@mac.com> From: VIJAY CHANDHOK via pbs Subject: Squirrels Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2020 00:02:24 -0500 Against Moles smoke bomb works very well, just light the igniter and put it in the mole hole and close the opening, the smoke goes through the tunnel system and kills them Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 26, 2020, at 11:39 PM, Laura Grant via pbs wrote: > > Hi Uli, > If you ask the question on the web: " Does Vitamin D3 kill mice", this is > the answer: > This is one of the most dangerous *mouse* and rat poisons on the market. > *Cholecalciferol*, or activated *vitamin D3*, causes a life-threateningly > high calcium and phosphorus level in the body, resulting in severe, acute > kidney failure, cardiovascular abnormalities, and tissue mineralization. The > cholecalciferol, better known as *vitamin D3*, is used as a health > supplement in humans. > Mix Vitamin D with peanut butter. Dead rodents are not poisonous to > predators. > It is sad that we have to resort to eliminating these little critters but I > know first hand what kind of damage they are capable of doing. > Laura > > >> On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 8:53 AM Johannes-Ulrich Urban via pbs < >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: >> >> Hello Bob, >> >> That video of yours is very interesting, yes, please, let us have the link. >> >> Does this mean that underground dwelling animals like voles come out at >> night? Otherwise you would not have been able to capture them on a video. >> >> Here in Portugal traps do not work at all. As soon as the voles detect a >> disturbance of their underground tunnels they dig a new one around the trap >> and block it with soil. Clever..... >> We do not want to use poison because we have such a rich wildlife here >> and we are worried about secondary poisoning if a half dead vole would be >> an all too easy prey for a predator. >> >> Bye for now >> >> Uli >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs >> Unsubscribe: >> > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sun, 27 Dec 2020 04:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <0e6884aa-748b-5a01-c0a2-acbeaf4d7215@code-garak.de> From: Garak via pbs Subject: Squirrel Deterrence - by popular demand Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2020 12:23:47 +0100 Hi all, I always forget how bold and heavy your grey American squirrels are - our European reds are complete feathers in the wind compared to yours. As for being destructive: the most annoying thing they do is hiding walnuts in my bigger plant containers - with a walnut tree on my neighbors ground they never resorted to bulbs - let's hope they stay with that diet. For closely settled Germany, the cats do a good job keeping mice and rats at bay. Raccoons do exist (some mad hunters set them free in the 1930s )but I haven't seen one yet - time to get one of those cameras I guess, because I'm almost sure they are around, but no trouble for now. So, for me the most wildlife related losses are birds causing collateral damage when digging for stuff (and clipping off Asarum flowers? what for???) and of course my deeply hated slugs. stay safe! Martin ---------------------------------------------- Southern Germany Likely zone 7a -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It was working until the tomato-loving opossum showed up and then I had to resort to a physical barrier of chicken wire around the base of the tomatoes that reached high enough that the opossum could not get to the proverbial “low hanging" fruit. Bob Hoel 630-240-0219 (cell) Why drive when you can use active transportation! 🚌 🚲 👣 > On Dec 27, 2020, at 6:00 AM, pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net wrote: > > It made my day... especially documenting the tomato thief. I've > long wondered just who that was. Certainly here in metro west Boston, _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sun, 27 Dec 2020 09:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: <001001d6dc6c$63290660$297b1320$@hansennursery.com> From: R Hansen via pbs Subject: Squirrel Deterrence - by popular demand Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2020 08:21:52 -0800 Squirrels hiding walnuts in containers? Well, that would explain the hazelnuts I keep finding in my containers. The only squirrels I've notice right around me are Douglas Pine Squirrels who like to cause a ruckus when I'm outside and more than that, they harass Andy dog who mostly seems oblivious to them (but not to neighborhood cats whom he chases at full speed). Robin Hansen Gray and gloomy but rain at last! _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sun, 27 Dec 2020 09:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: <1120ac70-fb9b-4d57-2099-d8458fed80be@gmail.com> From: Judy Glattstein via pbs Subject: Was About Squirrels Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2020 11:41:16 -0500 Here in New Jersey, close to the Delaware River, there are small birds, larger birds, an infrequent hawk looking for a meal from the visitors at the bird feeders. And once a peacock! by the compost heap. He had wandered down the road from a neighbor's house, sampling a leaf here, a blossom there. Gray squirrels under or on the bird feeder. Chipmunks and voles - didn't know chipmunks were climbers but there you are. This year for the first time one went up into a Callicarpa and harvested all the bright violet berries before the leaves even fell. There used to be a 7:00 p.m. rabbit eating clover from the lawn outside the kitchen but haven't seen it for a year. Occasional raccoon. But the largest herbivores are the white tail deer, sometimes peering in the kitchen window for coffee to go with the salad bar aka my garden. Solo, duo, up to as many as 8 to 12. This winter's hunter has not yet been successful, but I still have some venison in the freezer. Locavore, free range, and I certainly do know what they have been eating. Judy in quite chilly New Jersey eager to see the end of 2020 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Arnold -----Original Message----- From: ERIKA SCHROEDERSECKER via pbs To: Pacific Bulb Society Cc: ERIKA SCHROEDERSECKER Sent: Mon, Dec 28, 2020 10:17 am Subject: Re: [pbs] Massonia longipes Happy Holidays to everyone.  I have Massonia longipes which develops a flower bud every year however the bud just sits there. Does anyone have any idea why it is not flowering? I'm puzzled. Attached is a photo. Thank you. Erika Toronto, ON.Canada -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_3371 (3).jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2270598 bytes Desc: not available URL: _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The 2020 newsletter is here: http://files.srgc.net/CGBulletinarchive/CGBulletin52.pdf Diane Diane Whitehead Victoria, British Columbia, Canada cool mediterranean climate warm dry summers, mild wet winters 70 cm rain, sandy soil _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Mon, 28 Dec 2020 16:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: From: Candy Garner via pbs Subject: Massonia longipes Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2020 15:19:19 -0800 Dear Erika, I grow many Massonias in San Diego, California. Most are in blossom now. I'm wondering if it's only temperature related since your plant looks wonderful. Maybe a heat pad such as those used to start seeds could be an answer. Just a thought. Candy in San Diego On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 7:18 AM ERIKA SCHROEDERSECKER via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > Happy Holidays to everyone. > I have Massonia longipes which develops a flower bud every year however > the bud just sits there. Does anyone have any idea why it is not flowering? > I'm puzzled. Attached is a photo. > Thank you. > Erika Toronto, ON.Canada > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_3371 (3).jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 2270598 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/pipermail/pbs/attachments/20201228/090427bc/attachment.jpg > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 30 Dec 2020 01:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: <0b7801d6de88$096c9d80$1c45d880$@gmail.com> From: Michael Mace via pbs Subject: Massonia longipes Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2020 00:44:49 -0800 Erika wrote: > I have Massonia longipes which develops a flower bud every year however the bud just sits there. I haven't grown that species, but every time I get a bud that doesn't open, I suspect low light levels (unless the plant is being blasted in full sun). Looking at the distribution map on iNaturalist, your Massonia is distributed along the southern coast of South Africa, from the winter rainfall zone across to areas that get rain all year. https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/862426-Massonia-longipes Those areas would not be very warm in winter (although they'd be a lot less cold than Toronto). Think breezy and cool, with bright sunlight when it's not raining. Hope that helps. Mike San Jose, CA _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 30 Dec 2020 06:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: <2BA5377D-BFF7-4CA4-B192-E00F23F2E689@yahoo.ca> From: ERIKA SCHROEDERSECKER via pbs Subject: Massonia longipes Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2020 08:30:48 -0500 I grow and flower other Massonia species however it is only M. longipes that never flowers. I do agree based on all responses that this species seems to require perhaps more light. To that end I have brought it in under my lights in a cooler spot. Let’s see what happens. Thank you to everyone for your assistance. Erika Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 29, 2020, at 7:00 AM, pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net wrote: > > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post: List-Archive: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Massonia longipes (ERIKA SCHROEDERSECKER) > 2. Re: Massonia longipes (Arnold Trachtenberg) > 3. crocus (Diane Whitehead) > 4. Re: Massonia longipes (Candy Garner) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2020 15:17:43 +0000 (UTC) > From: ERIKA SCHROEDERSECKER > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] Massonia longipes > Message-ID: <1539727360.4958421.1609168663557@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Happy Holidays to everyone.? > I have Massonia longipes which develops a flower bud every year however the bud just sits there. Does anyone have any idea why it is not flowering? I'm puzzled. Attached is a photo. > Thank you. > Erika?Toronto, ON.Canada > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_3371 (3).jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 2270598 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2020 15:57:27 +0000 (UTC) > From: Arnold Trachtenberg > To: "pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net" > > Subject: Re: [pbs] Massonia longipes > Message-ID: <1303812596.4957984.1609171047815@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Erika > I have the same issue although mine opens just a bit. > They never seem to fully open. > > I keep my greenhouse between 45-50 F.? Add some light during daytime hours with some LED's. > Image attached. > Arnold > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ERIKA SCHROEDERSECKER via pbs > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Cc: ERIKA SCHROEDERSECKER > Sent: Mon, Dec 28, 2020 10:17 am > Subject: Re: [pbs] Massonia longipes > > Happy Holidays to everyone.? > I have Massonia longipes which develops a flower bud every year however the bud just sits there. Does anyone have any idea why it is not flowering? I'm puzzled. Attached is a photo. > Thank you. > Erika?Toronto, ON.Canada > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_3371 (3).jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 2270598 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Massoni longipes.2020.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 2284543 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2020 09:44:28 -0800 > From: Diane Whitehead > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: [pbs] crocus > Message-ID: <4021C061-6694-445C-B4AE-3CC0E264E1A0@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > A new member listed crocus as her favourite bulbs. > > There are always discussions about crocus on the Scottish Rock Garden Club forum, and there is a compilation of photos of many species here: > > https://www.srgc.org.uk/genera/index.php?log=crocus > > The Crocus Group is a rather casual group that has a seed exchange and posts newsletters on the Scottish forum. It doesn?t require a yearly fee, but asks for 5 euros when their funds run out. I have had to send money only twice in the 25 years I?ve belonged. > > The 2020 newsletter is here: http://files.srgc.net/CGBulletinarchive/CGBulletin52.pdf > > Diane > > > > Diane Whitehead Victoria, British Columbia, Canada > cool mediterranean climate warm dry summers, mild wet winters 70 cm rain, sandy soil > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2020 15:19:19 -0800 > From: Candy Garner > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] Massonia longipes > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Dear Erika, > > I grow many Massonias in San Diego, California. Most are in blossom now. > I'm wondering if it's only temperature related since your plant looks > wonderful. Maybe a heat pad such as those used to start seeds could be an > answer. Just a thought. > > Candy in San Diego > > > >> On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 7:18 AM ERIKA SCHROEDERSECKER via pbs < >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: >> >> Happy Holidays to everyone. >> I have Massonia longipes which develops a flower bud every year however >> the bud just sits there. Does anyone have any idea why it is not flowering? >> I'm puzzled. Attached is a photo. >> Thank you. >> Erika Toronto, ON.Canada >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: IMG_3371 (3).jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 2270598 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: < >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/pipermail/pbs/attachments/20201228/090427bc/attachment.jpg >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs >> Unsubscribe: >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > > > ------------------------------ > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 46, Issue 20 > *********************************** _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 30 Dec 2020 08:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: <745CC9CA-C64D-4945-ACCD-651C25E5FC8F@sbcglobal.net> From: CHARLES L Powell via pbs Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 46, Issue 21 Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2020 07:38:17 -0800 I grow a few scores of M. longipes (they are fairly easy from seed and I have several seasons now growing) and I’m also in San Jose. Mine bloom yearly and usually set seed when I pollinate with my hand. They are grown in full sun year round and are doing quite well. I grow a few other Massonia the same way and they also are doing well. Best, Chuck > >> I have Massonia longipes which develops a flower bud every year however > the bud just sits there. > > I haven't grown that species, but every time I get a bud that doesn't open, > I suspect low light levels (unless the plant is being blasted in full sun). > > Looking at the distribution map on iNaturalist, your Massonia is distributed > along the southern coast of South Africa, from the winter rainfall zone > across to areas that get rain all year. > https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/862426-Massonia-longipes > > Those areas would not be very warm in winter (although they'd be a lot less > cold than Toronto). Think breezy and cool, with bright sunlight when it's > not raining. > > Hope that helps. > > Mike > San Jose, CA > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > > > ------------------------------ > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 46, Issue 21 > *********************************** _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 30 Dec 2020 12:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <1946107839.3500428.1609357912259@mail.yahoo.com> From: Ron Martinolich via pbs Subject: Amorphophallus konjac Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2020 19:51:52 +0000 (UTC) I have some A. konjac corms to share at the next BX.  Is this anything people would be interested in? _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 30 Dec 2020 13:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: <1606617668.5806224.1609362438587@mail.yahoo.com> From: Robert Lauf via pbs Subject: Amorphophallus konjac Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2020 21:07:18 +0000 (UTC) Sounds cool.  I have plenty more Sauromatum venosum if anyone missed out on the last batch.  Not to mention some huge ones if someone wants to spring for the postage or swap for other bizarre items! Bob _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 30 Dec 2020 14:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <0e8ad4da-4028-89d6-b407-e3df8d6e6980@mcn.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner via pbs Subject: fall flowering Amaryllid seed Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2020 13:18:10 -0800 I hope that the PBS board will reconsider a way to offer the seed of fall flowering Amaryllids from South Africa that have recalcitrant fleshy seed that shouldn't wait for a spring BX. There must be a number of us who would contribute. Since I don't want  to grow more and hate to see seed that someone else might want be thrown away I am offering some of mine that I recently harvested. This seed is only available to people living in the United States and it probably should be people who aren't living where it is really cold since I don't know how much protection the US postal service would provide.  Requests should be sent privately. Email me at mailto:msittner@mcn.org and include your address. I don't have a lot of seeds since the seed is from individual pots so if I get a lot of requests I might have to use a lottery (however, it wouldn't hurt to explain why if you request seed, you should get it as that could influence me.) I have seed of Nerine sarniensis (I think it is from the ones with the attached photos, but I didn't  hand pollinate them and more than one was in flower), Strumaria discifera ssp. bulbifera (just a few seeds), and Hessea mathewsii. The last one is classified as Critically Endangered (CR) on the South African Red List, but isn't hard to grow. A couple of the flowers this year had more than six tepals like the one in the photo. 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Not to mention some huge ones if someone wants to > spring for the postage or swap for other bizarre items! > > Bob > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 30 Dec 2020 14:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: <5CEFE82F-3E61-4067-BF01-1344FDC38710@islandnet.com> From: Diane via pbs Subject: fall flowering Amaryllid seed Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2020 14:02:20 -0800 Silverhill Seeds used to email customers who had expressed an interest in buying recalcitrant seeds. I don’t know whether this service will continue. Diane _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 30 Dec 2020 14:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: From: The Silent Seed via pbs Subject: fall flowering Amaryllid seed Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2020 17:07:28 -0500 I would be interested in getting notifications of Haemanthus species seeds. I have wanted to do more growing of that genus. (I have lots of H. albiflos.) Any leads would be appreciated. All the best, and Happy Holidays! Jude On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 5:02 PM Diane via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > Silverhill Seeds used to email customers who had expressed an interest in > buying recalcitrant seeds. I don’t know whether this service will continue. > > Diane > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 31 Dec 2020 06:17:02 -0800 Message-Id: From: Luminita vollmer via pbs Subject: A. konjack and S. venosum Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 08:15:43 -0600 Ron and Bob Both A. konjack and S. venosum were in high demand and short supply at the last exchange! If by huge you mean 4in - I do have shipping boxes that can accommodate that size during the exchange. We have a board meeting in Feb 2021, and probably the exchange dates will be set for next year! However - just to keep in mind - next 2 weeks Minnesota will experience temps in mid to upper 30s! ;) Not that we have a heat wave!!! Luminita _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sat, 02 Jan 2021 05:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: From: Tim Eck via pbs Subject: exotic star Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 12:05:17 -0500 I bought a few bulbs of Hippeastrum 'Exotic Star' this fall that turned out to be rather exceptional. They typically had 3 or 4 blooms per stipe while my recollection was that years ago I never got more than 2 per stipe. See images Tim -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 20201228_160518.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3573262 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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