Erik Van Lennep erik@tepuidesign.com
Sat, 01 Feb 2020 07:06:02 PST
Hi Garak,

I'm on the same page as you with that. But / and one of my
enduring disappointments is that slugs aren't edible. At least that would
provide some return on the vegetative investment!

Ah well, at least ducks eat them and convert them to eggs. Now I just need
to make a space for ducks in my system


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On Sat, 1 Feb 2020 at 15:29, Garak <garak@code-garak.de> wrote:

> Hi all,
> I think what we should keep in mind is that all those little chemical
> helpers are just means to counteract the effects of the unbalance we
> introduce with our gardening work - we often forget that uncovered open
> soil is a highly unnatural state, and a lot of those plants we battle
> are just filling their ecological niche. Personally, I decided against
> using herbicides in my garden, battling my  green nemesis mechanically -
> sometimes at high costs, killing an Epipactis among other things when
> eradicating Physalis alkengi, sometimes rather futile with Aegogpdium
> coming back from surrounding gardens all the time. That way I can at
> least be sure that I can eat some of that Aegopidium as a minor moment
> of triumph. And sometimes, I just let volunteers grow to learn what they
> are - that actually gave me my first Heleborus orientalis.
> In commercial agriculture I nurture the hope that herbicides will sooner
> or later be replaced by automated mechanical action - new "intelligent"
> generations of agricultural equipment can identify wanted and unwanted
> plants and may even break up the again highly unnatural mono-cultures by
> selective care without loosing the benefit of automation. As for
> glyphosate/roundup: I don't care for the hard-to-prove health effects, I
> already criticize the wanted effects on species diversity.
> I generally try to stay "chemical free" in the open garden to avoid any
> unforeseen side effects - with aphids it's a matter of days until the
> ladybug larvae start fighting back. But I'm definitely not the one to
> cast the first stone, because of the one thing that gives me red hot
> rage: my gourmet slugs and their appetite for everything that's unusual,
> imported and expensive. I couldn't live without slug pellets.
> Martin
> Am 01.02.2020 um 03:30 schrieb rrodich@juno.com:
> > Regarding Hippeastrum (and most bulbs):
> >   for herbicides that work on basic growth processes like glyphosate,
> > "resistance" often results from the comparatively large biomass.  The
> > same amount of poison might be taken in as another plant that is killed,
> > but distributed through a much larger mass, resulting in a low
> > (non-lethal) concentration.  The effects of which might not noticed.
> >
> > Whatever your viewpoint, it's always important to keep an open mind.
> > There are always things one can learn, from everyone.  Those who simply
> > dismiss a viewpoint as rubbish and take gratification from that name
> > calling, get no points from me.
> >
> > Rick Rodich
> >
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