crinums in bloom

James Waddick via pbs pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net
Sun, 12 Jul 2020 12:25:16 PDT
Hi Laura,

	I hate to reply on the PBS list, but since this came about:

	I tried ‘Persephone’ but it was killed during a cold winter. I think ‘Lolita’ is less hardy. I think most of the Crinums on the Jenks list indicate hardiness. 

	Hopefully others will suggest a good choice for you, too. 		Best of luck		Jim W. 




On Jul 12, 2020, at 1:34 PM, Laura Grant via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:

Thank you Jim. They sure have some interesting varieties. I must try the C.
Persephone. Apparently it is very fragrant. C.Lolita has good color. Have
you grown any of those and what do you recommend?
Laura
Niagara, Ontario
PS I tried to send you this message privately, but it was rejected.

On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 12:43 PM James Waddick via pbs <
pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:

> Laura,                  I should have,mentioned that Jenks Farmer is the
> best source for Crin um bulbs. Not cheap, but they are large blooming size
> ( https://jenksfarmer.com/). He is a grower and hybridizer, too.
>           Best            Jim
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 8, 2020, at 11:39 AM, Laura Grant via pbs <
> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi James,
> Thank you for great suggestions on crinums.
> I grow C. powellii in the garden and agree with you. It takes a large space
> for not so impressive bloom. Furthermore, the roots go down two feet and to
> dig it up is a challenge.
> Laura
> Niagara on the Lake, Ontario
> 
> On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 12:12 PM James Waddick via pbs <
> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:
> 
>> Dear PBS friends in Cooler zones,
>> 
>>       Please be aware that some Crinum do very well in cooler zones and
>> are not ALL plants for milder climates. I have been growing a variety of
>> Crinum species and hybrids for decades and am shocked when good gardeners
>> don’t believe they grow in the ground and are not dug every winter.  I
> have
>> average winter lows of 0F and lower, summer high above 100 F. All Crinum
>> appreciate abundant watering here, but my climate is very dry most
> seasons.
>> 
>>       One of the easiest and cheapest to try if you doubt my words is C.
>> x powellii although I do not recommend it. It is totally hardy, vigorous
>> and floriferous, but its flowers are not especially attractive with
> narrow
>> petals and pale wimpy pink. It is may be too vigorous and spread rapidly.
>> Fortunately it does not produce seed, but the clump expands yearly. There
>> are so many MUCH better Crinums.
>> 
>>       One of the  nicest and easiest is C. bulbispermum. It is very easy
>> from seed if given a very little care when it is young. In decades of
>> growing this here I do not think I have had any self sown seedlings.  I
>> just sent a pile of seed to the Seed Ex. Seed must be planted immediately
>> as they do not keep long and will germinate in or out of the soil. Press
>> fresh seed into damp soil or sand only about 1/2 deep as they need light
> to
>> germinate. A large root will emerge and go into the soil. Soon after a
>> single thin leaf will emerge . Wait until the second leaf then cover the
>> seed with an inch of soil.  If you have one seed per pot keep this
> seedling
>> frost free over the first winter. If you have a pot of seedlings transfer
>> to 1 seed  to a pot for winter care. In spring after frost you can either
>> move it to  a larger pot until fall or plant it right in a sunny spot in
>> the garden. Either way it is ready for the garden. It may take a year or
> 2
>> or 3 before it blooms, but it will. It is slow to form a clump, but will
>> bloom for years.
>> 
>>       There are many excellent Crinum for the northern garden, but a few
>> comments:
>> 
>>       “Super Ellen”. Huge abundant flowers, but gets to 6 ft tall and a
>> spread of 8 to 10 ft or more. Not for the small garden.Gorgeous flowers.
>> 
>>       ‘Glory’ a smaller plant, but similar to ’Super Ellen’.
>> 
>>       C. powellii  ‘Alba’ a pure white form of this hybrid, but with
>> nicely formed pure white flowers.
>> 
>>       ‘Cecil Houdyshel’ a nice pink x powelli type.
>> 
>>       Many others.  I should mention a couple that have not grown for
>> me, but are abundant and popular in the southern : ‘Ellen Bousanquet’ , x
>> herbertii , ‘“Milk and Wine” types all proved too tender here. Avoid C
>> asiatum and variants.
>> 
>>       And finally if  this has sparked any interest go to the PBS image
>> pages for species and hybrids. Start here:
>> https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…
>> 
>>       Do consider finding room for at least one Crinum in Zone 5 and
>> certainly in Zone 6 .            enjoy           Jim
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 5, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Tim Eck via pbs <
>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Jim,
>> I live in zone 6B, about 60 miles due west of Philadelphia but I
> overwinter
>> the pots in an unheated greenhouse.  I am starting to plant some out in a
>> field this year for the first time.  My Super Ellen has produced very few
>> seed over the years, but this could be one of them.
>> Or it could be a migrating tag.  I have occasional helpers re-potting and
>> they don't always pick up the same tag they lay down - a source of great
>> frustration.
>> Tim
>> 
>> On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 9:36 AM James Waddick via pbs <
>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Tim,
>>> 
>>>      Not knowing where you live, I can't tell for sure as some of these
>>> are not hardy every where.  As I understand ’Super Ellen’ is not self
>>> fertile and my plant in Kansas City has grown here for over a decade and
>>> never produced a seed even with hand pollination attempts.
>>> 
>>>      I suspect you live in a mild climate if you grow this in an above
>>> ground pot so that’s the end of my guesses.  It is however very
>> beautiful.
>>>        Jim
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 4, 2020, at 8:33 PM, Tim Eck via pbs <
>>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Here is an unknown hybrid where the first half of the tag was destroyed
>> and
>>> the second half said "X Herbertii".
>>> I suspect it is SuperEllen x Herbertii or SuperEllen x self.  Maybe
> Eagle
>>> Rock x Herbertii?
>>> I would appreciate any opinions..
>>> 
>>> Dr. James Waddick
>>> 8871 NW Brostrom Rd
>>> Kansas City, MO 64152-2711
>>> USA
>>> Phone     816-746-1949
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