I do not see the photo, and I often do not see any link to photos that are mentioned. I am pretty Neanderthal on the computer, I must admit. I don't even know what 'scrubbed' means..........oh well. Wish I could send photos of my gorgeous fragrant Oriental lilies, mostly now about done; 'Lavon' is as tall as I am and about to burst into glorious bloom. Maybe I can get a friend to take a photo and send it to me. I still have a flip phone, when I can find http://it..........jana/Mariposa/ Habitat Nursery/Santa Rosa, CA Z8? ------ Original Message ------ From: pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sent: 6/28/2020 2:55:35 PM Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 40, Issue 27 >Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > >You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > >List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Posting pictures / Lilium philadelphicum (Linda M Foulis) > 2. Re: pbs Digest, Vol 40, Issue 26 (Janet Hoffmann) > 3. Re: Lilies and cats (oooOIOooo) > 4. Re: Lilies and cats (Pamela Harlow) > 5. Cats and lilies (Jane Sargent) > 6. Re: Lilies and cats (Robert Lauf) > 7. Re: Lilies and cats (Jim McKenney) > 8. Re: Lilies and cats (Jim McKenney) > 9. Re: Lilies and cats (Linda M Foulis) > 10. Re: Lilies and cats (Robin Hansen) > 11. Ten raccoons (Jane Sargent) > 12. Re: Cats and lilies (The Silent Seed) > 13. Re: lilies and cats (Michael Kent) > 14. Re: Lilies and cats (Mark Mazer) > 15. Re: Lilies and cats (Jane McGary) > 16. Re: Lilies and cats (Jim McKenney) > 17. Re: Lilies and cats (Mark Mazer) > 18. L.humboldtii in San Diego County (Ken) > 19. Bottled Deer Repellent (Judy Glattstein) > 20. Re: L.humboldtii in San Diego County (Judy Glattstein) > 21. Re: L.humboldtii in San Diego County (Robert Lauf) > 22. when to sow Herbertia lahue seeds (M Gastil-Buhl) > 23. Re: L.humboldtii in San Diego County (Ken) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 06:37:11 -0600 >From: "Linda M Foulis" <info@beautifulblooms.ab.ca> >To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> >Subject: Re: [pbs] Posting pictures / Lilium philadelphicum >Message-ID: <001f01d64d48$d923bb70$8b6b3250$@beautifulblooms.ab.ca> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >I like that the pictures are scrubbed and held on another server which I can access or not. Although I have unlimited downloads, I have the cheapest version of internet I can get and that means slow downloads. Some of the pics I choose to view take a bit to download, if there is a cow in the way, even longer. :) >I've never had issues accessing or finding the pictures. > >I'm going to give it a go as well, sharing a picture. I visited some of my favorite spots on Thursday and was rewarded with some great flower finds. Most are not bulbs but the lilium is coming into full bloom in the mountains. >I live very close to the Rocky Mountains and it always amazes me how quickly plants grow, bloom, and set seed as compared to the same plants in my own area. Lilies are blooming everywhere there and are barely budding here. > >Have a wonderful day. > >Linda > >Rain again today. > > http://www.beautifulblooms.ab.ca/ > > > > > > >-- >This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >https://www.avast.com/antivirus/ >-------------- next part -------------- >A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >Name: Lilium_philadelphicum.jpg >Type: image/jpeg >Size: 449006 bytes >Desc: not available >URL: <http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/pipermail/pbs/…> > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 07:55:58 -0700 >From: Janet Hoffmann <janet@hoffmann.net> >To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >Subject: Re: [pbs] pbs Digest, Vol 40, Issue 26 >Message-ID: <F60DB167-0A5A-466E-B3FF-40E2F1C19182@hoffmann.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >My apologies about not deleting the long message. I tried doing that after typing my message and for some reason it got sent instead of deleting. Going forward I will always delete before typing. Sorry, I hate those long strings also. > >Janet H. > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 15:33:46 +0000 >From: oooOIOooo <oooOIOooo@protonmail.ch> >To: "pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net" > <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> >Subject: Re: [pbs] Lilies and cats >Message-ID: > <JWwz7addl3twcvMznrgQ4vLSnc2C8QgXeERDVCqDTsa1lVcZMK0KFYXEfedHDV5b9PayebN6ckyJaqAbufmxA3TVHkBF4MuKEbnGZrhsSoc=@protonmail.ch> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >I must add that outdoor cats are invasive species in most of the world, and severely harm wildlife populations. What people fear lilies might have done to cats in an incredibly small number of cases is what cats really do every day to native wildlife. Being run over by cars, dying from injuries sustained in fights, and being eaten by coyotes, bobcats, mountain lions and hawks is a far greater threat to cats than are garden lilies. > >I have seen this with my own eyes. At one time two people in my partly natural desert neighbordhood fed cats. Quail nest in my flower pots. I get the chance to watch them grow up. The quail population dropped drastically once the cat feeding began. I would see families with large numbers of chicks, then the next day two, then no more families. > >The two cat feeders are gone. The coyotes ate all the feral cats. I heard a lot of cats screaming as they were being killed. I now see lots of quail families. > >Cats are wonderful animals, and make great companions. But please keep your cats indoors. > >Leo Martin >Phoenix Arizona USA >Zone 9? > >Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com/) Secure Email. > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 09:07:27 -0700 >From: Pamela Harlow <pamela@polson.com> >To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> >Cc: oooOIOooo <oooOIOooo@protonmail.ch> >Subject: Re: [pbs] Lilies and cats >Message-ID: > <CAAghYLDn2OR6Q7B_x3rwgG2bpy2otcq4SxT6CXboR+KEt-XJdw@mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > >Leo, thanks for this. Bird populations are declining fast all across the >US, and outdoor cats are a big factor. > >Creative people have come up with safe ways to give cats outdoor time >within caging structures that prevent roaming. Cat owners should out >"Catios." > >Pamela Harlow/Seattle > >On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 8:33 AM oooOIOooo via pbs < >pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > >> I must add that outdoor cats are invasive species in most of the world, >> and severely harm wildlife populations. What people fear lilies might have >> done to cats in an incredibly small number of cases is what cats really do >> every day to native wildlife. Being run over by cars, dying from injuries >> sustained in fights, and being eaten by coyotes, bobcats, mountain lions >> and hawks is a far greater threat to cats than are garden lilies. >> >> I have seen this with my own eyes. At one time two people in my partly >> natural desert neighbordhood fed cats. Quail nest in my flower pots. I get >> the chance to watch them grow up. The quail population dropped drastically >> once the cat feeding began. I would see families with large numbers of >> chicks, then the next day two, then no more families. >> >> The two cat feeders are gone. The coyotes ate all the feral cats. I heard >> a lot of cats screaming as they were being killed. I now see lots of quail >> families. >> >> Cats are wonderful animals, and make great companions. But please keep >> your cats indoors. >> >> Leo Martin >> Phoenix Arizona USA >> Zone 9? >> >> Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com/) Secure Email. >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… >> > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 12:15:53 -0400 >From: Jane Sargent <jane@deskhenge.com> >To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >Subject: [pbs] Cats and lilies >Message-ID: <A8238D40-1FA7-48A1-BE06-83557CD2F245@deskhenge.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >I deal with a daylily farm that has a couple of thousand varieties and some cats. These are live cats, not dead cats. My garden is bursting with plants that would kill cats and people if we were dumb enough to eat them, and so are most gardens. My cats never ate plants that made them sick. Daffodils, foxgloves, scillas. I grow lilies of all types that can make it in Zone 5. I don't grow monkshoods, which are really nasty. perhaps flowers in a vase are a threat to an indoor pet. >I bet nobody on this mailing group has lost a cat to lilies or knows anybody who has. Jane Sargent >Sent from my iPhone > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 6 >Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 16:16:55 +0000 (UTC) >From: Robert Lauf <boblauf@att.net> >To: Pamela Harlow via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> >Subject: Re: [pbs] Lilies and cats >Message-ID: <480983943.4878382.1593361015798@mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Cats are the ultimate nuisance animal.? I wish TWRA would add them to the list! >Bob LaufZone 7 > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 7 >Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 16:21:44 +0000 (UTC) >From: Jim McKenney <jamesamckenney@verizon.net> >To: "pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net" > <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> >Cc: oooOIOooo <ooooioooo@protonmail.ch> >Subject: Re: [pbs] Lilies and cats >Message-ID: <1598696203.3448254.1593361304816@mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Leo wrote "The quail population dropped drastically once the cat feeding began. I would see families with large numbers of chicks, then the next day two, then no more families." >This reminded me of two things from my past. Sixty years ago, when my parents bought the house I now live in, we had native bob white quail in the adjacent woods. One day my dog and I were hiking in back of the house, and there was this sudden burst of sound around us: evidently we had disturbed a covey of quail. Now we have cats.And about twenty years ago I was in Bangalore, India for several months. On my lunchtime I would often take walks through the surrounding neighborhoods. These neighborhoods were extremely crowded; where there were not buildings there were often cardboard shelters. One day I spotted a sow trailed by six piglets making her way through the clutter everywhere. You might think that a pig in Bangalore, given the Muslim and vegetarian citizens, might have a good life. I saw them a day later, but this time there were only five piglets. The next day there were four, and soon there were none. Leopards are known to enter cities in south Asia, but I think the c! > ats in th > is case were the two-legged sort.?Jim McKenney > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 8 >Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 16:29:34 +0000 (UTC) >From: Jim McKenney <jamesamckenney@verizon.net> >To: Pamela Harlow via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> >Subject: Re: [pbs] Lilies and cats >Message-ID: <1551124542.3453140.1593361774986@mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Bob Lauf wrote: "Cats are the ultimate nuisance animal.? I wish TWRA would add them to the list!" >Bob, I almost agree with you, but I think the ultimate nuisance animal is the one writing and reading these posts.?Jim McKenney > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 9 >Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 10:41:31 -0600 >From: "Linda M Foulis" <info@beautifulblooms.ab.ca> >To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> >Subject: Re: [pbs] Lilies and cats >Message-ID: <003401d64d6a$faec7180$f0c55480$@beautifulblooms.ab.ca> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >I agree with Jim, we're the worst. Solution? > >Linda > > > > Bob Lauf wrote: "Cats are the ultimate nuisance animal. I wish TWRA would add them to the list!" >Bob, I almost agree with you, but I think the ultimate nuisance animal is the one writing and reading these posts. Jim McKenney > > >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > > >-- >This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >https://www.avast.com/antivirus/ > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 10 >Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 09:53:27 -0700 >From: "Robin Hansen" <robin@hansennursery.com> >To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> >Subject: Re: [pbs] Lilies and cats >Message-ID: <005901d64d6c$a56ab990$f0402cb0$@hansennursery.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > >The whole issue of domestic cats versus wildlife is a really tough one. I've had cats all my life and they've gotten me through some very tough times. One thing I've always done is train my cats to come when called, and yes, I've let them out. When I got my current cat as a dumped four-week old kitten, I decided she would always come in at night and stay in the house if I'm gone for a few hours or days (with cat carer, if needed). I've always kept the kittens in until they were 6 to 8 months old, after their spay or neuter and all of them turned out quite sensibly to be afraid of cars and wary of people. > >Certainly with my current cat, with her particular temperament, she has been quite amenable to this regimen and has caught very few birds, no mice, one snake whom I gently put outside quite alive and unharmed. In fact she seems to have quit hunting and become lazy cat. I train the cats the same way I train the dog to come, with treats. One brand of treats comes in a zip bag that makes nice crackly noises when squeezed and she only gets the treats after she comes in. > >I don't want any more dead birds either, but I'm not giving up my cat, so I had to figure a way to protect all of us and this is what I came up with. I cannot bear to lock a cat forever inside. If I'd had two or more kittens at the same time, I might have reconsidered, but my cat has no buddies but the blue heeler, so here I am. I absolutely respect the concern about birds as I have so many here that I've not seen before and I want to keep seeing them. Unfortunately, I also have neighbors who let their cats roam at all hours. They cause me and my cat problems although the heeler does a good job of keeping them away and the birds are safe in my yard. I know this isn't an ideal situation, but certainly there's huge room for improvement. Despite all the information and education out there about the danger to wildlife, people mostly know and don't care, can't be bothered, shouldn't have a cat in the first place, etc. > >And no, in fifty years of owning cats, I've never had a problem with them eating anything they shouldn't. Apparently there has been some recent research that shows cats are as intelligent as dogs, just in a different way. > >Robin Hansen >Southwest Oregon with a bit of rain to cool things off > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 11 >Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 12:55:17 -0400 >From: Jane Sargent <jane@deskhenge.com> >To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >Subject: [pbs] Ten raccoons >Message-ID: <35D9EBEF-9FD5-45D9-ADAB-EE6505386196@deskhenge.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >Perhaps this fellow could volunteer at his local food bank instead of lavishing twinkies and money on trash pandas. Kids have to eat, too. >I am surprised he didn't peel the grapes first. Jane Sargent > >Sent from my iPhone > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 12 >Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 12:56:51 -0400 >From: The Silent Seed <tylus.seklos@gmail.com> >To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> >Subject: Re: [pbs] Cats and lilies >Message-ID: > <CAPH75tB4Eg1sFENdg3CbkH1d3JBNChFRXrj4nn7++6RPyPd12A@mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > >I'll second that. Never lost a cat to a plant. > >On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 12:16 PM Jane Sargent via pbs < >pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > >> I deal with a daylily farm that has a couple of thousand varieties and >> some cats. These are live cats, not dead cats. My garden is bursting with >> plants that would kill cats and people if we were dumb enough to eat them, >> and so are most gardens. My cats never ate plants that made them sick. >> Daffodils, foxgloves, scillas. I grow lilies of all types that can make it >> in Zone 5. I don't grow monkshoods, which are really nasty. perhaps flowers >> in a vase are a threat to an indoor pet. >> I bet nobody on this mailing group has lost a cat to lilies or knows >> anybody who has. Jane Sargent >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… >> > > >-- >The Silent Seed >Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. >thesilentseed.com > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 13 >Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 12:58:13 -0400 >From: Michael Kent <kenttoto@gmail.com> >To: post to list <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> >Subject: Re: [pbs] lilies and cats >Message-ID: > <CAFt4oKJR9JxAgC5aUo6kB6OMK7PZ6RQE14iTBP7MRbewYLaETg@mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > >One day I spotted a sow trailed by six piglets making her way through the >clutter everywhere. You might think that a pig in Bangalore, given the >Muslim and vegetarian citizens, might have a good life. I saw them a day >later, but this time there were only five piglets. > >Jim, > >Maybe that little piggy stayed home while Momma and the sibling piggies >went to market? > >Mike >in the Z6a Finger Lakes region, where rain lillies are popping up all over >the place > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 14 >Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 13:39:16 -0400 >From: Mark Mazer <markemazer@gmail.com> >To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> >Subject: Re: [pbs] Lilies and cats >Message-ID: > <CAAvPRWs8pL7CN3koEnzCqopC=45i8ztt0bUQeg1t819B+91Hig@mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > >Unfortunately, here on the farm, feral and outdoor cats prove devastating >to ground nesting birds, mainly quail and killdeer (and our guinea fowl). >It goes in cycles: birds, then cats, then coyotes, and finally the local >deer hunters come and eliminate the coyotes. Rinse, repeat. > >Mark Mazer >Hertford, NC > >On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 12:53 PM Robin Hansen via pbs < >pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > >> The whole issue of domestic cats versus wildlife is a really tough one. >> I've had cats all my life and they've gotten me through some very tough >> times. One thing I've always done is train my cats to come when called, and >> yes, I've let them out. When I got my current cat as a dumped four-week old >> kitten, I decided she would always come in at night and stay in the house >> if I'm gone for a few hours or days (with cat carer, if needed). I've >> always kept the kittens in until they were 6 to 8 months old, after their >> spay or neuter and all of them turned out quite sensibly to be afraid of >> cars and wary of people. >> >> Certainly with my current cat, with her particular temperament, she has >> been quite amenable to this regimen and has caught very few birds, no mice, >> one snake whom I gently put outside quite alive and unharmed. In fact she >> seems to have quit hunting and become lazy cat. I train the cats the same >> way I train the dog to come, with treats. One brand of treats comes in a >> zip bag that makes nice crackly noises when squeezed and she only gets the >> treats after she comes in. >> >> I don't want any more dead birds either, but I'm not giving up my cat, so >> I had to figure a way to protect all of us and this is what I came up with. >> I cannot bear to lock a cat forever inside. If I'd had two or more kittens >> at the same time, I might have reconsidered, but my cat has no buddies but >> the blue heeler, so here I am. I absolutely respect the concern about birds >> as I have so many here that I've not seen before and I want to keep seeing >> them. Unfortunately, I also have neighbors who let their cats roam at all >> hours. They cause me and my cat problems although the heeler does a good >> job of keeping them away and the birds are safe in my yard. I know this >> isn't an ideal situation, but certainly there's huge room for improvement. >> Despite all the information and education out there about the danger to >> wildlife, people mostly know and don't care, can't be bothered, shouldn't >> have a cat in the first place, etc. >> >> And no, in fifty years of owning cats, I've never had a problem with them >> eating anything they shouldn't. Apparently there has been some recent >> research that shows cats are as intelligent as dogs, just in a different >> way. >> >> Robin Hansen >> Southwest Oregon with a bit of rain to cool things off >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… >> > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 15 >Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 12:47:31 -0700 >From: Jane McGary <janemcgary@earthlink.net> >To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >Subject: Re: [pbs] Lilies and cats >Message-ID: <647fce8b-dd2e-ca72-68ed-6aee91126b27@earthlink.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > >I agree that the belief that garden plants are likely to kill pets is >much overblown. Since settling in a temperate climate, I've grown >hundreds of more or less toxic plants in situations where my dogs >(Alaskan Malamutes) could get at them. Malamutes are notably omnivorous, >foraging for both wild and cultivated fruits and vegetables, but mine >never ate a toxic plant, except when a recently acquired bitch took a >paper bag of colchicum corms and ate some. I caught her at it and got >her to the vet for treatment immediately, with no ill effects except >that she then threw up some activated charcoal onto an Ardebil rug. I >suspect she had been used to observing treats in bags. It is possible, >however, that some extremely selected dog breeds lack good instincts >about what they eat, and as Garak wrote, unhappily confined animals can >develop eating disorders. > >On the other hand, human children are well known to ingest toxic plant >materials. I warned a neighbor with young children about the deadly >nightshade in her yard, and she had me come over and identify other >toxic plants. In communities living closer to the natural world, mothers >teach their children what not to consume. > >I was amused by Mark's note mentioning the susceptibility of guinea fowl >to cats -- presumably these are the chicks, as the adults fly well, and >they will come over your fence and eat your vegetable garden! At least >they don't scream like peacocks, nor can they eat a whole broccoli plant >in one bite, as moose do. You think you have trouble with deer? Try a >vegetable garden in Alaska. > >Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA > >On 6/28/2020 10:39 AM, Mark Mazer via pbs wrote: >> Unfortunately, here on the farm, feral and outdoor cats prove devastating >> to ground nesting birds, mainly quail and killdeer (and our guinea fowl). >> It goes in cycles: birds, then cats, then coyotes, and finally the local >> deer hunters come and eliminate the coyotes. Rinse, repeat. >> >> > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 16 >Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 19:52:02 +0000 (UTC) >From: Jim McKenney <jamesamckenney@verizon.net> >To: Jane McGary via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> >Subject: Re: [pbs] Lilies and cats >Message-ID: <1238612392.3495104.1593373922264@mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Jane wrote: " I warned a neighbor with young children about the deadlynightshade in her yard,"Atropa belladonna or Solanum dulcamara or something else?? >Why would anyone in their right mind grow Atropa in a? home garden or where it could escape into the neighborhood where there are children?Jim McKenney > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 17 >Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 15:52:36 -0400 >From: Mark Mazer <markemazer@gmail.com> >To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> >Subject: Re: [pbs] Lilies and cats >Message-ID: > <CAAvPRWu_GugpTjzayYqizBVvHVyB=COaK3B9nQ1Q2hq5AkJS9Q@mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > >" the susceptibility of guinea fowl >to cats -- presumably these are the chicks," > >Yup. It's the keets that disappear soon after hatching although snakes and >the hawks are also problematic. Adults are taken mainly by coyotes and the >rare bobcat. > >M > >On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 3:30 PM Jane McGary via pbs < >pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > >> I agree that the belief that garden plants are likely to kill pets is >> much overblown. Since settling in a temperate climate, I've grown >> hundreds of more or less toxic plants in situations where my dogs >> (Alaskan Malamutes) could get at them. Malamutes are notably omnivorous, >> foraging for both wild and cultivated fruits and vegetables, but mine >> never ate a toxic plant, except when a recently acquired bitch took a >> paper bag of colchicum corms and ate some. I caught her at it and got >> her to the vet for treatment immediately, with no ill effects except >> that she then threw up some activated charcoal onto an Ardebil rug. I >> suspect she had been used to observing treats in bags. It is possible, >> however, that some extremely selected dog breeds lack good instincts >> about what they eat, and as Garak wrote, unhappily confined animals can >> develop eating disorders. >> >> On the other hand, human children are well known to ingest toxic plant >> materials. I warned a neighbor with young children about the deadly >> nightshade in her yard, and she had me come over and identify other >> toxic plants. In communities living closer to the natural world, mothers >> teach their children what not to consume. >> >> I was amused by Mark's note mentioning the susceptibility of guinea fowl >> to cats -- presumably these are the chicks, as the adults fly well, and >> they will come over your fence and eat your vegetable garden! At least >> they don't scream like peacocks, nor can they eat a whole broccoli plant >> in one bite, as moose do. You think you have trouble with deer? Try a >> vegetable garden in Alaska. >> >> Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA >> >> On 6/28/2020 10:39 AM, Mark Mazer via pbs wrote: >> > Unfortunately, here on the farm, feral and outdoor cats prove devastating >> > to ground nesting birds, mainly quail and killdeer (and our guinea fowl). >> > It goes in cycles: birds, then cats, then coyotes, and finally the local >> > deer hunters come and eliminate the coyotes. Rinse, repeat. >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… >> > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 18 >Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 17:49:52 +0000 (UTC) >From: Ken <kjblack@pacbell.net> >To: "pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net" > <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> >Subject: [pbs] L.humboldtii in San Diego County >Message-ID: <1710945531.383843.1593366592422@mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >I saw what may be one of the first (wild) Lilium humboldtii buds to open last Thursday, June 25, at approx 4500 feet in the San Diego mountains along California Highway 79, South of the old mining town of Julian.? ?This was amongst? an immediate population of perhaps 20-30 plants, in various stages of bud development.? Should be glorious in a few more days. >Ken Blackford >-------------- next part -------------- >A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >Name: DSC_1712.JPG >Type: image/jpeg >Size: 1700475 bytes >Desc: not available >URL: <http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/pipermail/pbs/…> >-------------- next part -------------- >A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >Name: DSC_1716.JPG >Type: image/jpeg >Size: 12383265 bytes >Desc: not available >URL: <http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/pipermail/pbs/…> > >------------------------------ > >Message: 19 >Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 16:30:32 -0400 >From: Judy Glattstein <jgglatt@gmail.com> >To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >Subject: [pbs] Bottled Deer Repellent >Message-ID: <e5d24f3c-7d3e-68b4-2cc5-c217fbb8bdd7@gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" > >The rats with cloven hooves have started sampling the larger cannas. And >ate the flower buds off the potted lilies near my tool shed. > > >Someone upthread mentioned that his wive would poke holes in disposable >water bottles, add mothballs, and that worked reasonably well. > > >We have a well. I don't buy bottled water. We do purchase individual >size bottles of soda. The preferred item is A&W root beer in the 12 fl >oz size. This has been difficult to find - the covid-19 empty shelf >syndrome, you know. Eventually I found 16.9 fl oz which I bought by >default. > > >Himself is an engineer. Retired, but once an engineer *. . . *Simple >poking holes would be crude. I now have a number of bottles. Each has >two sets of four holes carefully drilled in the side. There is a pair of >smaller holes drilled through the neck, just the right size to insert >the hook of a metal coat hanger. Said hanger is cut, straightened, and >serves as a support. Each bottle has five little "legs" which are >perfect size to hold a mothball apiece. In fact, when I plunk the >mothballs in they scurry each to their own spot. > > >Picture attached. Now, if they work it will all be worth it. > > >Judy in New jersey where the potted crinums suddenly have brown leaf >tips. I thought I was watering with adequate attention. If they want >larger pots at end of summer before moving them into the greenhouse I >will be dividing xpowellii both white and pink. Amarcrinum too. > > > > > >-- >This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >https://www.avast.com/antivirus/ >-------------- next part -------------- >A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >Name: Bottled Deer Repellent_2020-06_finished product.jpg >Type: image/jpeg >Size: 120504 bytes >Desc: not available >URL: <http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/pipermail/pbs/…> > >------------------------------ > >Message: 20 >Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 16:32:26 -0400 >From: Judy Glattstein <jgglatt@gmail.com> >To: Ken via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> >Subject: Re: [pbs] L.humboldtii in San Diego County >Message-ID: <04f884ec-aa77-dc8d-5e72-1f073673f06a@gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > >Stunning images Ken! The first one is especially magnificent. Thanks for >sharing. > >Judy > >On 6/28/2020 1:49 PM, Ken via pbs wrote: >> I saw what may be one of the first (wild) Lilium humboldtii buds to open last Thursday, June 25, at approx 4500 feet in the San Diego mountains along California Highway 79, South of the old mining town of Julian.? ?This was amongst? an immediate population of perhaps 20-30 plants, in various stages of bud development.? 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Will you be going back for seeds later in the season? > On Sunday, June 28, 2020, 04:16:45 PM EDT, Ken via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > I saw what may be one of the first (wild) Lilium humboldtii buds to open last Thursday, June 25, at approx 4500 feet in the San Diego mountains along California Highway 79, South of the old mining town of Julian.? ?This was amongst? an immediate population of perhaps 20-30 plants, in various stages of bud development.? Should be glorious in a few more days. >Ken Blackford >-------------- next part -------------- >A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >Name: DSC_1712.JPG >Type: image/jpeg >Size: 1700475 bytes >Desc: not available >URL: <http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/pipermail/pbs/…> >-------------- next part -------------- >A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >Name: DSC_1716.JPG >Type: image/jpeg >Size: 12383265 bytes >Desc: not available >URL: <http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/pipermail/pbs/…> >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 22 >Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 13:40:31 -0700 >From: M Gastil-Buhl <gastil.buhl@gmail.com> >To: pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> >Subject: [pbs] when to sow Herbertia lahue seeds >Message-ID: > <CALGksbBB0uhFra=jeVwMMX_2fvXUNWmRvyMn-D1wcobLj+tPQw@mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > >Since you all were so helpful with my Boophone question, here is my next >dilemma: > >Herberia lahue has been a challenge for me to grow. Actually, several other >South American species have also not thrived the way my South African >species do. In particular, Of all the Herberia I acquired, as seed or bulb, >only one has thrived. It has two seed pods. One is ripe now and one is >green, far from ripe. The wiki says to plant the seed in spring. Is that >for lack of cold? Or dependent on light? I have had these pods ripen as >late as July. Would that then mean it is advised to delay planting til the >next spring? > >I also notice a resemblance of the seed pod shape to that of my two >Gelasine species. Their pods are still green. > >To follow up on the Boophone story: I decided on a pot rather than >in-ground since suitable locations are all slated for digging up within the >next year. And I decided against the pot for which I intended this bulb >since it would get too hot (dark glaze in full sun). I purchased a 12" tall >narrow terracotta pot which I will move with the seasons as Ken suggests. >When this bulb gets bigger, and I have a stable place in open soil for it, >I will let it run its roots. This 1 inch diameter baby bulb looks lost in >the big pot but I get the impression Boophone are like goldfish that grow >to the size of their pond. > >Gastil >Santa Barbara >where we had a rare summer rain this morning, 0.01 inch. > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 23 >Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 21:55:31 +0000 (UTC) >From: Ken <kjblack@pacbell.net> >To: Robert Lauf via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> >Subject: Re: [pbs] L.humboldtii in San Diego County >Message-ID: <1320988463.445427.1593381331063@mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Robert ... I wasn't planning on going back to collect seed, especially since it is on Forest Service Land and this species can be easily obtained commercially.? I'd rather hope the natural population will grow and spread.- Ken > On Sunday, June 28, 2020, ... Robert Lauf via pbs wrote:? > ? ? ?? Cool.? Will you be going back for seeds later in the season? >? On Sunday, June 28, 2020,... Ken wrote: ? > I saw what may be one of the first (wild) Lilium humboldtii buds to open ... > >------------------------------ > >Subject: Digest Footer > >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > > >------------------------------ > >End of pbs Digest, Vol 40, Issue 27 >*********************************** > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/…
