Hi, Lee and all. You’re right. It is possible to download a video ahead of time, no matter how slowly, then play it back from one’s computer. I do that very occasionally. It does take a long time, though. I confess I have been enjoying being unable to take part in videoconferences. ;-) Surely most of us save precious online information, fearing that it may vanish. I try to note who owns it and where it came from. It’s been super-hot here in southwestern BC, though not as hot as many other places. Many species lilies have shot into bloom earlier than usual. If posting photos were not so cumbersome, I would send some for others to enjoy. The photo detour is apparently unavoidable with the PBS setup. It inhibits my participation online, though, and I can’t be alone. It must also be tedious for David Pilling to have to track and repost photos that get stripped from the text they illustrate. What would happen if — Well, apparently the PBS software recognizes an attachment and strips it. What if, instead of just stripping it, it fired the attachment off to a parallel website, and instead of dropping the original attachment link in the email, doctored the link so that it linked to the photo on the parallel website. Ha, say the coders. But something like this must be possible. Amazon and Facebook sort information instantly and send it every whichway, for their own use. It is the pause on PBS, waiting for the photos, that is disheartening. This does not mean I’m not grateful that PBS exists. Paige > On Jul 23, 2021, at 11:47 AM, Lee Poulsen via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > A suggestion for those with slow internet connections is to download a video downloader app or software, and then download the video in the background into a file. It doesn’t matter how long it takes because once you have it as its own file on your device, your device can play it back at full speed and no longer needs an internet connection to do so. Most of these apps will download videos from some other sites, but all of them can download video from YouTube. I got one back when I was still on DSL (MovieSherlock for Mac) and got tired of never being able to watch a full video without it buffering all the time. Since then I found I still use it all the time. One is for the very reason Paige pointed out. I can’t tell you how many times over the years a great video or one with some unique reason that I liked it, some years later when I went looking for it to send the link to someone else, was no longer online. The other is, there have been occasions when I wanted to show a video I found on YouTube in a class or at a presentation. One time it was at a facility that had public internet access so I thought I’d just have the webpage ready to play. Halfway through the fairly short video, the internet link dropped or got overwhelmed by everyone else at the facility who was likely logged in as well. Ever since then, I just download it ahead of time onto my laptop and play it back from the downloaded file. > > As for Paige’s suggestion, I agree and think we should ask. I know there is a Wayback Machine site, but it concentrates on text and doesn’t often save video or photos (which take up a lot more space). Photos are another one. I will download a photo of something where there are no other photos showing that thing. I know it’s against copyright, and I don’t sell it or post it publicly. But it seems wrong to let some of these videos or photos disappear forever because of copyright laws. Another similar issue is personal websites where they post incredibly useful information. I just encountered that problem recently. Quite a few years ago there was a person down in Chile (not Chileflora) who sold seeds of nearly all the Chilean bulb species, including colorforms that you almost never see. (Seeds he collected from his own plants that he had grown from seeds he had collected from the entire country over the years.) He had a website on which he posted his germination methods in detail for each of them. His methods worked remarkably well. I kept in touch with him and recently asked if he still had the HTML files for that website. A lot had happened in his life since then, and the answer was sadly, No. He no longer lives in Chile nor does he live in a climate where those bulbs will survive. I wish I had downloaded the entire website back then. And one of my huge complaints about Facebook and all the incredible photos that people publicly post there, is that 1) there is no easy way to find that photo again even if you put it in your favorites, and 2) if that person ever cancels or turns off their account, all those photos disappear too. Sometimes all the photos of a new of rare species available online are ones that people posted of their own plant or one they saw while out botanizing or hiking around in various countries. I often think I should save some of these photos when I see them. But instead I just ‘like’ it and maybe ’save’ it. But now my ’saved’ links are too huge and I have to scroll too long to get to old ones. > > —Lee > >> On Jul 23, 2021, at 10:11 AM, Paige Woodward via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: >> >> >> My connection (feeble DSL) is too slow for videos. Someday perhaps that will change. >> >> But I saw at the start of this presentation that relatively few people have seen it. I wonder whether there is a way for PBS to adopt it into its website, as a permanent reference. With permission of the author, of course. >> >> Links and posts floating on the “outside" internet, even archived ones, quite often drop into oblivion. We have adopted hoards of information before. We can’t adopt everything, but it would be pleasing if we could occasionally conserve entire presentations like this one. >> >> Paige Woodward >> >>> On Jul 23, 2021, at 7:24 AM, Mary Sue Ittner via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks to Faith for alerting us to this program. We watched it last night and thought it was excellent as he showed photos of all the species and talked about the differences between the different sections and often described where he had taken his photos. Towards the end he showed some very interesting natural hybrids and a very strange plant someone had photographed, but no one else has found again. It's a little over an hour and people who missed it can still see it on the link below. >>> >>> Mary Sue >>> >>> On 7/15/2021 9:58 AM, Faith Lindsay via pbs wrote: >>>> Watch on youtube:///https://youtu.be/gaYnZNvcBCE >>>> > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>