pbs Digest, Vol 57, Issue 19 gladiolus identification

Francis James Hartnell via pbs pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net
Sat, 20 Nov 2021 07:08:52 PST
Given the time of flowering and the colour I don’t think this is G. cardinalis. My guess would be one of the nanus hybrids, maybe ‘Guernsey Glory’. 
Best wishes
Frank

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>   1. Re: Massonia - flower within flower (Paul Cumbleton)
>   2. Gladiolus identification (Ashley Mooney)
>   3. Re: Gladiolus identification (Diane)
>   4. Re: Gladiolus identification (Cody H)
>   5. Re: Ana Rosa (ana rosa Llovet Difilippi)
>   6. Massonia culture (Kenneth Preteroti)
>   7. Re: Gladiolus identification (Diane)
>   8. Re: Gladiolus identification (Mary Sue Ittner)
>   9. Re: Gladiolus identification (Diane Whitehead)
>  10. Re: Gladiolus identification (Laura Grant)
>  11. Re: Gladiolus identification (Ashley Mooney)
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> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2021 16:30:19 +0000
> From: Paul Cumbleton <cumbleton@yahoo.co.uk>
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> My post on this subject lost all its text so here it is again, hopefully 
> working this time:
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> Most Massonias can make offsets, especially if planted out to give a 
> free root run, though even in a pot some will too. This happens 
> regularly for me with several species. The offsets are produced basally 
> as in the accompanying picture of a Massonia bakeriana bulb with 
> offsets. The same species is illustrated in growth with multiple offsets 
> in the second picture. I don't like it when they do this as it spoils 
> the appealing simple symmetry of a single bulb. Don't know what has 
> happened with your 'flower within flower' Rimmer, just one of those odd 
> things that plants sometimes do. I often have Massonias make a third 
> leaf as yours has, but not with an extra flower too.
> 
> Paul Cumbleton
> UK. Zone 8
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> Hi,
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> Please forgive me if this is a slightly low-brow request for PBS.
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> I was given the small Gladiolus in the attached picture and it is flowering
> now for the first time in our garden, at the top of the south island of New
> Zealand. Would anyone be so kind as to identify it for me.
> 
> Thank you so much,    Ashley
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> From: Diane <voltaire@islandnet.com>
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> The flowers look like pictures I have seen of Gladiolus cardinalis.   It grows from wet cliffs and flowers in midwinter.   I have never seen an actual plant. 
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> Diane Whitehead
> Victoria B.C., Canada
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> It does look similar to G. cardinalis, but if it is that species it is a
> form I have not seen before. The form I have grows during the winter but
> flowers in spring for me in the Seattle area. The flowers are red with
> white markings. I?ve never seen a salmon colored form.
> 
> I don?t know what kind of variability there is in wild populations, but I
> suspect the plant in the photo here might be a hybrid of some kind.
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>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 3:18 PM Diane via pbs <
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>> The flowers look like pictures I have seen of Gladiolus cardinalis.   It
>> grows from wet cliffs and flowers in midwinter.   I have never seen an
>> actual plant.
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>> Diane Whitehead
>> Victoria B.C., Canada
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> Gracias. Mi Ingl?s alcanza para  leer y entender pero  lo practico poco. Es
> una maravilla estar tan cerca de toda esta gente con sus cultivos. A t? un
> abrazo grande por responder.
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> El jue., 11 de noviembre de 2021 1:41 p. m., Victor Hugo Men?ndez Dom?nguez
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>> Un saludo desde M?xico, es un gusto leer a iberoamericanos!
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>> Greetings from Mexico, it?s a pleasure read iberoamericans!!
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>> Saludos !!
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>> V?ctor Hugo
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>> El El jue, 11 de noviembre de 2021 a la(s) 8:21, Carlos Jim?nez via pbs <
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>>> Hola, Ana Rosa, bienvenida.
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>>> Hi, Ana Rosa, welcome
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>>>> Agradecimiento total a las personas q participan de este foro. Me he
>>>> enriquecido con tanta pasi?n por los bulbos. Algunos totalmente
>>>> desconocidos para m?. Desde Uruguay --- Am?rica del Sur---- Un abrazo.
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>>>> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 11:29:59 -0500
>>>> From: Kenneth Preteroti <k.preteroti@verizon.net>
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>>>> Subject: Re: [pbs] Massonia viverensis?
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>>>> Oops. Sorry for the confusion. Need to double check before sending.
>>>> 
>>>> Massonia sempervirens
>>>> 
>>>> Ken P
>>>> 
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>>>>> On Nov 9, 2021, at 7:05 PM, Roy Herold via pbs <
>>>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:
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>>>>> ?Looking closely at Ken's photo I see the name starts with 'semp'. I
>>>> think he means Massonia sempervirens.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --R
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 11/9/2021 6:56 PM, Rimmer de Vries via pbs wrote:
>>>>>> I have something from Roy Herald collected in Modderfontein that
>> looks
>>>> similar, blooming now in a 2? small pot
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Rimmer
>>>>>> In Kentucky
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> From: Kenneth Preteroti <k.preteroti@verizon.net>
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> ?
> ?
> I have been enjoying the recent discussion on the genus Massonia. I have a number species and wondered if I could grow them better and reduce losses. When looking at the PBS site and other growers sites I found a lack of specific cultural information. Such as the potting mix, fertilizer type, frequency and when to use. Pot type could be a function of where you live and environmental conditions ie humidity . Also could the growing culture be the same for Massonia?s cousins in the Hyacinthaceae family Daubenya, Polyxena and Lachenalia? 
> 
> My mix is my cacti/succulent mix. 50% grit (pumice, turface, granite Diatomite) and 50% ProMix (HPCC with mycorrhizae peat/coir based). I am using mostly plastic pots. I fertilize monthly using a 20:10:20 peat-lite with minors formula slightly diluted. Once my winter growing plants break dormancy I place them outside and bring them in the greenhouse before a hard frost. All winter growers not just Massonia. They get a good 6 weeks of outdoor life with cool nights and warm days in full sun. They get fertilized at least once and watered a couple times. Our late summer and early fall there is plenty of rain. 
> 
> My losses aren?t immediately noticeable. They appear to go dormant healthy but I sometimes find a sinkhole in my pot in the summer as the bulb rotted. Did I overwater and especially near their summer dormancy? Is the mix not gritty enough? Should I move away from 50/50 and go to 75/25 or 90/10? Am I over fertilizing? Maybe just once or twice in the beginning of the growing season. 
> 
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> Ken P 
> New Jersey, USA
> Zone 7 (6b)
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> From: Diane <voltaire@islandnet.com>
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> This is the description of the flower of Gladiolus cardinalis in A Revision of the South African Species of Gladiolus by G. J. Lewis and A.A. Obermeyer
> 
> Flowers large, scarlet or crimson, the 3 lower lobes with a largish white or cream somewhat rhomboid or diamond-shaped mark with a pinkish mauve border merging into deeper red, sometimes 1 or both of the upper lateral lobes with a similar or modified marking.
> 
> Diane Whitehead
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> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2021 18:17:33 -0800
> From: Mary Sue Ittner <msittner@mcn.org>
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> I think it looks like one I grow that is one of the Gladiolus hybrids 
> that in the trade is referred to as Gladiolus nanus because of their 
> short stature. This is not a botanical accepted name. Telos sells a 
> hybrid form of Gladiolus cardinalis. I don't expect the real thing would 
> be easy to grow since it grows next to waterfalls.
> 
> Here's a photo of mine.
> 
> https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…
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> Many of the hybrids sold as Gladiolus? nanus are very beautiful like the 
> one in your photo.
> 
> Mary Sue
> 
>> I was given the small Gladiolus in the attached picture and it is flowering
>> now for the first time in our garden, at the top of the south island of New
>> Zealand. Would anyone be so kind as to identify it for me.
>> 
>> 
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> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2021 18:26:46 -0800
> From: Diane Whitehead <ldiane.whitehead@gmail.com>
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> I made a mistake on the flowering time of G cardinalis.  It blooms in mid-summer.
> 
> Diane
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> From: Laura Grant <lauragrant1947@gmail.com>
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> I have a very similar Glad that was sold to me as Amanda Mahy.
> Laura
> Niagara on the Lake
> Ontario
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> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 9:17 PM Mary Sue Ittner via pbs <
> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:
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>> I think it looks like one I grow that is one of the Gladiolus hybrids
>> that in the trade is referred to as Gladiolus nanus because of their
>> short stature. This is not a botanical accepted name. Telos sells a
>> hybrid form of Gladiolus cardinalis. I don't expect the real thing would
>> be easy to grow since it grows next to waterfalls.
>> 
>> Here's a photo of mine.
>> 
>> https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…
>> 
>> Many of the hybrids sold as Gladiolus  nanus are very beautiful like the
>> one in your photo.
>> 
>> Mary Sue
>> 
>>> I was given the small Gladiolus in the attached picture and it is
>> flowering
>>> now for the first time in our garden, at the top of the south island of
>> New
>>> Zealand. Would anyone be so kind as to identify it for me.
>>> 
>>> 
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> From: Ashley Mooney <ashleymooneynz@gmail.com>
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> Dear All,
> 
> Very helpful. Thank you. I am confident that it is a hybrid Nanus. I have
> two slightly different forms of a G. cardinalius hybrid where the basic
> petal colour is red rather than salmon pink. Also, I believe cardinalis
> hybrids have a silver flush to the back of the petals, which both mine
> have. Amanda Mahy looks very good and I am happy to go with that ID.
> 
> Very many thanks,   Ashley
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> 
> On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 6:03 PM Laura Grant via pbs <
> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:
> 
>> I have a very similar Glad that was sold to me as Amanda Mahy.
>> Laura
>> Niagara on the Lake
>> Ontario
>> 
>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 9:17 PM Mary Sue Ittner via pbs <
>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> I think it looks like one I grow that is one of the Gladiolus hybrids
>>> that in the trade is referred to as Gladiolus nanus because of their
>>> short stature. This is not a botanical accepted name. Telos sells a
>>> hybrid form of Gladiolus cardinalis. I don't expect the real thing would
>>> be easy to grow since it grows next to waterfalls.
>>> 
>>> Here's a photo of mine.
>>> 
>>> 
>> https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…
>>> 
>>> Many of the hybrids sold as Gladiolus  nanus are very beautiful like the
>>> one in your photo.
>>> 
>>> Mary Sue
>>> 
>>>> I was given the small Gladiolus in the attached picture and it is
>>> flowering
>>>> now for the first time in our garden, at the top of the south island of
>>> New
>>>> Zealand. Would anyone be so kind as to identify it for me.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> URL: <
>>> 
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