Regarding using pencil on plastic labels, I use a normal No 2 pencil because pencil is the only thing that is truly permanent in sunlight (defined as still being legible after the label has broken up from UV-induced cross linking...) This is not necessarily a general rule, but it applies to the boxes of 1000 labels I get at the local co-op: The plastic has a slightly duller finish on one side than the other, and the pencil makes a better mark on the duller side. The labels are evidently die-cut and this leaves a tiny lip on the side that faced toward from the punch (which in this case happens to be the smoother side.) So I just feel with my finger for that edge burr and place that side down, and I always have the good side up to write on. Again, I don't claim this is always true, but it works for me and my batch of labels so it's worth a shot. I also bought a roll of preprinted labels and sadly, the unprinted side is very shiny and impossible to write on with a pencil. The only solution is a wax pencil, which is like writing with a crayon and unsuited for much detailed info. On those I only need to put the cultivar name, so I can get away with the wax pencil. Bob Zone 7, sunny and cool after 3" of rain on Thurs-Friday _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>