Any tips for starting seed Lilium kellogii and Lilium washin tonianum

VIJAY CHANDHOK via pbs pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net
Tue, 15 Feb 2022 18:32:04 PST
When we checking on Lilium washingtonan growing wild in some areas of  California, they were growing in wet areas mostly, getting to photograph them close-by was a  tough job as they were surrounded ny thorny bushes will dig up our Species Lily Chase photos 

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> On Feb 15, 2022, at 9:02 PM, Eric via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:
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> Thanks for all the food for thought. A couple of the points you brought up about transitioning I had not considered before. 
> I may have let the seedlings get elongated prior to moving them. Watering them in well maybe another issue, having lost them in the past I may have underwatered them to avoid damping off and thus didn’t get good soil contact. 
> I’ll let you know how it turns out 
> Thanks 
> Eric Duma
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>> On Feb 15, 2022, at 8:16 PM, Gordon Hogenson via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:
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>> The question is what was the actual cause of death when transitioning from
>> the baggie to soil. Was it really fungal disease?  I never used sterilized
>> soil and sometimes the compost has some white mold on it, and it still
>> works. I use organic potting soil with added perlite and generally do not
>> lose seedlings of Western American species and hybrids. The losses that
>> occur for me during this transition occur because of several reasons. (1)
>> not checking the baggies and having elongated seedlings that are weakened,
>> (2) rough handling during transition to soil, (3) not watering thoroughly
>> to ensure contact between the root and the soil, (4) overheating and drying
>> up before the root has had a chance to firmly establish in the pot.  To
>> prevent that last problem, I don't put the newly transplanted seedlings
>> directly under the heat of the fluorescent lights right away. I wait a day
>> before putting it under the lights. Before that, I place it in the room
>> somewhere near my light setup, but not directly under the light, and not in
>> the path of direct sunlight. Room temperatures of anywhere near 70 F / 21 C
>> are OK, but too warm conditions may be detrimental.
>> 
>> If it is fungal disease killing these seedlings, but not harming your other
>> lily species and hybrids, then that is an interesting problem. I am in the
>> Pacific Northwest and of course, my natural environment might have a fungal
>> biome that is more compatible with these species. However, I would consider
>> the above issues first.
>> 
>> Gordon
>> PNW near Seattle but in the foothills, zone 7-8
>> Crocus and snowdrops looking good on warm winter days
>> 
>>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 2:51 PM Rick Rodich via pbs <
>>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:
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>>> Pasteurizing soil with steam is a good idea, because it is somewhat of a
>>> selective killer.  In theory at least, the bad actors are killed, and many
>>> of the good ones are not. Rick Rodich
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