From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 31 Aug 2022 22:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Bridget Wosczyna via pbs Subject: BX 485 now open Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2022 00:34:06 -0400 All: Standard rules apply for this BX. Kindly review the list below and email me with your request(s). I will send a simple acknowledgement of your email. Should you not have a response from me within a day, kindly resend. Be sure to include your full name and address. Bulbs are $3 each. Some orders will have multiple bulbs but only count as one order if we have a lot of that bulb to go around. This will be a lottery (however, if you did not receive something last round, kindly advise and I will assure some accommodation. Also, if there is something you really are looking to receive, it helps for me to know this as well.) You must be current in your membership and you must be up-to-date on BX/SX charges. KINDLY NOTE: Payments will no longer be made through the Paypal website due to changes in Paypal policies. PBS must be paid through the PBS website at: https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?page=BXpay You are still free to send payment via check if that is your preference. No orders to anywhere but the US and (sometimes) Canada can be entertained at this point. We cannot furnish the appropriate phyto docs. This BX will be open until Saturday at 9 p.m. (EST)/6 p.m.(PST). Thank you to our current donors. There are some super cool items below and everything looks healthy. The following are up for offer: *Jane McGary* 1. Arum dioscoridis ssp dioscoridis ("var philistaeum") 2. Calochortus venustus red forms 3. Fritillaria rhodocanakis 4. Gymnospermium albertii 5. Iris bucharica 'New Argument' Scorpiris/Juno sect 6. Iris 'Blue Warlsind' Scorpiris/Juno sect 7. Iris willmottiana (Regelia sect.) 8. Iris 'Peresh' (Oncocyclus sect. hybrid) 9. Iris stolonifera hybrid (Regelia sect.) 10. Iris tuberosa (syn. Hermodactylus tuberosus) select color form 11. Iris warleyensis (Scorpiris/Juno sect) 12. Leucocoryne coquimbensis mainly white form 13. Scilla hohenackeri (syn. Fessia hohenackeri) 14. Narcissus mix (N. Cantabricus, N. romieuxii and some other small species) 15. Notholirion thomsonianum 16. Sternbergia greuteriana 17. Tulipa montana 18. Amana edulis *Rimmer de Vries* 19. Hippeastrum striatum 'Cianorte' semi-evergreen, small offsets 20. Nerine hybrid zinkowski rescue mix of pinks/small offsets *Jim Barton* 21. Calochortus luteus 22. Calochortus venustus 23. Calochortus vestae 24. Chlorogalum pomeridianum 25. Dichelostemma ida-maia 26. Triteleia ixioides 27. Triteleia laxa *James Shao* 28. Ferraria crispa dark 29. Ferraria crispa nortieri 30. Ferraria crispa A ex Telos 31. Ferraria crispa B ex Telos *Mike Lowitz * 32. Haemanthus albiflos 33. Hippeastrum cybister 'La Paz', very small 34. Veltheimia bracteata pink 35. Veltheimia bracteata yellow Bern Mlynczak 36. Sagittanthera mzimvubensis Best, Bridget _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 31 Aug 2022 22:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <1882727704.2749170.1662008186517@mail.yahoo.com> From: Zeon Zhou via pbs Subject: BX 485 now open Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2022 04:56:26 +0000 (UTC) Thank you for putting this together! Attn: Zeon Zhou8547 Terrace DriveEl Cerrito, CA 94530 One each please, a few I have requested to have two if possible. thank you! Zeon 1.      Arum dioscoridis ssp dioscoridis          ("var philistaeum") x2 if possible* 2.    Calochortus venustus      red forms 3.    Fritillaria rhodocanakis 4.    Gymnospermium albertii 5.    Iris bucharica 'New Argument'  Scorpiris/Juno sect 6.    Iris 'Blue Warlsind'            Scorpiris/Juno sect 7.    Iris willmottiana    (Regelia sect.) 10.  Iris tuberosa (syn. Hermodactylus tuberosus)          select color form 11.  Iris warleyensis      (Scorpiris/Juno sect) 12.  Leucocoryne coquimbensis        mainly white form 13.  Scilla hohenackeri (syn. Fessia hohenackeri) 14.  Narcissus mix (N. Cantabricus, N. romieuxii and some other small species) 15.  Notholirion thomsonianum X2 if possible* 16.  Sternbergia greuteriana 17.  Tulipa montana x 2 if possible* 18.  Amana edulis *Rimmer de Vries* 19.  Hippeastrum striatum 'Cianorte'  semi-evergreen, small offsets *Jim Barton* 21.  Calochortus luteus 22. Calochortus venustus 23. Calochortus vestae 25. Dichelostemma ida-maia *James Shao* 28. Ferraria crispa dark  29. Ferraria crispa nortieri  30. Ferraria crispa A ex Telos  31.  Ferraria crispa B ex Telos *Mike Lowitz          * 32. Haemanthus albiflos 33.  Hippeastrum cybister 'La Paz', very small 34. Veltheimia bracteata pink 35. Veltheimia bracteata yellow Bern Mlynczak 36. Sagittanthera mzimvubensis -----Original Message----- From: Bridget Wosczyna via pbs To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Cc: Bridget Wosczyna Sent: Wed, Aug 31, 2022 9:34 pm Subject: [pbs] BX 485 now open All: Standard rules apply for this BX. Kindly review the list below and email me with your request(s). I will send a simple acknowledgement of your email.  Should you not have a response from me within a day, kindly resend. Be sure to include your full name and address. Bulbs are $3 each.  Some orders will have multiple bulbs but only count as one order if we have a lot of that bulb to go around. This will be a lottery (however, if you did not receive something last round, kindly advise and I will assure some accommodation. Also, if there is something you really are looking to receive, it helps for me to know this as well.) You must be current in your membership and you must be up-to-date on BX/SX charges. KINDLY NOTE: Payments will no longer be made through the Paypal website due to changes in Paypal policies. PBS must be paid through the PBS website at: https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?page=BXpay You are still free to send payment via check if that is your preference. No orders to anywhere but the US and (sometimes) Canada can be entertained at this point.  We cannot furnish the appropriate phyto docs. This BX will be open until Saturday at 9 p.m. (EST)/6 p.m.(PST). Thank you to our current donors.  There are some super cool items below and everything looks healthy. The following are up for offer: *Jane McGary* 1.      Arum dioscoridis ssp dioscoridis          ("var philistaeum") 2.    Calochortus venustus      red forms 3.    Fritillaria rhodocanakis 4.    Gymnospermium albertii 5.    Iris bucharica 'New Argument'  Scorpiris/Juno sect 6.    Iris 'Blue Warlsind'            Scorpiris/Juno sect 7.    Iris willmottiana    (Regelia sect.) 8.    Iris 'Peresh'  (Oncocyclus sect. hybrid) 9.    Iris stolonifera hybrid      (Regelia sect.) 10.  Iris tuberosa (syn. Hermodactylus tuberosus)          select color form 11.  Iris warleyensis      (Scorpiris/Juno sect) 12.  Leucocoryne coquimbensis        mainly white form 13.  Scilla hohenackeri (syn. Fessia hohenackeri) 14.  Narcissus mix (N. Cantabricus, N. romieuxii and some other small species) 15.  Notholirion thomsonianum 16.  Sternbergia greuteriana 17.  Tulipa montana 18.  Amana edulis *Rimmer de Vries* 19.  Hippeastrum striatum 'Cianorte'  semi-evergreen, small offsets 20. Nerine hybrid zinkowski rescue            mix of pinks/small offsets *Jim Barton* 21.  Calochortus luteus 22. Calochortus venustus 23. Calochortus vestae 24. Chlorogalum pomeridianum 25. Dichelostemma ida-maia 26. Triteleia ixioides 27. Triteleia laxa *James Shao* 28. Ferraria crispa dark 29. Ferraria crispa nortieri 30. Ferraria crispa A ex Telos 31.  Ferraria crispa B ex Telos *Mike Lowitz          * 32. Haemanthus albiflos 33.  Hippeastrum cybister 'La Paz', very small 34. Veltheimia bracteata pink 35. Veltheimia bracteata yellow Bern Mlynczak 36. Sagittanthera mzimvubensis Best, Bridget _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 31 Aug 2022 23:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Lee Poulsen via pbs Subject: Lilium formosanum advice Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 23:08:53 -0700 I have had a really hard time trying to grow lilies in containers. They’re one of those that, at least in this area, very much want to grow in the ground. But if what you call a tall narrow 2-gallon pot is what I think it is, that is the only type of container that lilies survive and even multiply in for me. I use large “tree pots”. But with two additional conditions. One, even though I use a very well draining mix in all my pots, they usually have lots of pumice and perlite in them. But for lilies that survive, I have had to use a lot more organic material like peat moss and finally shredded bark. Two, the sun cannot ever shine on the pot itself. The tops may love sun, but the bulbs/roots seem to not withstand even a little bit of overheating. So I have to situate them in kind of precise locations. Anyway that has been my experience. On the other hand, when I’ve planted some types in the ground that I thought needed more chilling in winter than we get here, some have unexpectedly thrived. One that surprised me was an interspecific martagon lily hybrid, can’t remember its name. It ended up forming a big clump until a gopher discovered it and ate every single bulb, including the little baby ones. Now I can’t find that variety anywhere. BTW, have you tried Lilium philippinense? It’s supposed to take even warmer weather than formosanum, even though it looks very similar. --Lee Poulsen San Gabriel Valley, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34°N, Altitude 340 ft/100 m > > I bought a Lilium formosanum seedling from Annie's Annuals this spring. I kept it inside my house in a window. It went on to produce one flower in the shipping pot, which is 4" square and low. That is the first time in 38 years at this house a member of genus Lilium has flowered, inside or out. > > After flowering the top gradually died down. I unpotted it and found a small lily bulb about the size of a Queen Anne cherry. > > I repotted it to a tall, narrow 2-gallon nursery container. I don't know the natural history of these. It is still good and hot here. Should I expect it to grow again this season, or is it likely to remain dormant until Spring? I know I should never let Lilium bulbs in a pot dry completely. > > Leo Martin > Phoenix Arizona USA > Zone 9? > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 01 Sep 2022 08:17:01 -0700 Message-Id: <000701d8be10$8c0ce880$a426b980$@hansennursery.com> From: R Hansen via pbs Subject: BX 485 now open Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2022 07:38:47 -0700 Please everyone - use Bridget's Bulb Exchange address, not the Pacific Bulb Society. bulbexpbs@gmail.com Thank you, Robin Hansen PBS -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net] On Behalf Of Zeon Zhou via pbs Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2022 9:56 PM To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Cc: xyzhou25@aol.com Subject: Re: [pbs] BX 485 now open Thank you for putting this together! Attn: Zeon Zhou8547 Terrace DriveEl Cerrito, CA 94530 One each please, a few I have requested to have two if possible. thank you! Zeon 1. Arum dioscoridis ssp dioscoridis ("var philistaeum") x2 if possible* 2. Calochortus venustus red forms 3. Fritillaria rhodocanakis 4. Gymnospermium albertii 5. Iris bucharica 'New Argument' Scorpiris/Juno sect 6. Iris 'Blue Warlsind' Scorpiris/Juno sect 7. Iris willmottiana (Regelia sect.) 10. Iris tuberosa (syn. Hermodactylus tuberosus) select color form 11. Iris warleyensis (Scorpiris/Juno sect) 12. Leucocoryne coquimbensis mainly white form 13. Scilla hohenackeri (syn. Fessia hohenackeri) 14. Narcissus mix (N. Cantabricus, N. romieuxii and some other small species) 15. Notholirion thomsonianum X2 if possible* 16. Sternbergia greuteriana 17. Tulipa montana x 2 if possible* 18. Amana edulis *Rimmer de Vries* 19. Hippeastrum striatum 'Cianorte' semi-evergreen, small offsets *Jim Barton* 21. Calochortus luteus 22. Calochortus venustus 23. Calochortus vestae 25. Dichelostemma ida-maia *James Shao* 28. Ferraria crispa dark 29. Ferraria crispa nortieri 30. Ferraria crispa A ex Telos 31. Ferraria crispa B ex Telos *Mike Lowitz * 32. Haemanthus albiflos 33. Hippeastrum cybister 'La Paz', very small 34. Veltheimia bracteata pink 35. Veltheimia bracteata yellow Bern Mlynczak 36. Sagittanthera mzimvubensis -----Original Message----- From: Bridget Wosczyna via pbs To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Cc: Bridget Wosczyna Sent: Wed, Aug 31, 2022 9:34 pm Subject: [pbs] BX 485 now open All: Standard rules apply for this BX. Kindly review the list below and email me with your request(s). I will send a simple acknowledgement of your email. Should you not have a response from me within a day, kindly resend. Be sure to include your full name and address. Bulbs are $3 each. Some orders will have multiple bulbs but only count as one order if we have a lot of that bulb to go around. This will be a lottery (however, if you did not receive something last round, kindly advise and I will assure some accommodation. Also, if there is something you really are looking to receive, it helps for me to know this as well.) You must be current in your membership and you must be up-to-date on BX/SX charges. KINDLY NOTE: Payments will no longer be made through the Paypal website due to changes in Paypal policies. PBS must be paid through the PBS website at: https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?page=BXpay You are still free to send payment via check if that is your preference. No orders to anywhere but the US and (sometimes) Canada can be entertained at this point. We cannot furnish the appropriate phyto docs. This BX will be open until Saturday at 9 p.m. (EST)/6 p.m.(PST). Thank you to our current donors. There are some super cool items below and everything looks healthy. The following are up for offer: *Jane McGary* 1. Arum dioscoridis ssp dioscoridis ("var philistaeum") 2. Calochortus venustus red forms 3. Fritillaria rhodocanakis 4. Gymnospermium albertii 5. Iris bucharica 'New Argument' Scorpiris/Juno sect 6. Iris 'Blue Warlsind' Scorpiris/Juno sect 7. Iris willmottiana (Regelia sect.) 8. Iris 'Peresh' (Oncocyclus sect. hybrid) 9. Iris stolonifera hybrid (Regelia sect.) 10. Iris tuberosa (syn. Hermodactylus tuberosus) select color form 11. Iris warleyensis (Scorpiris/Juno sect) 12. Leucocoryne coquimbensis mainly white form 13. Scilla hohenackeri (syn. Fessia hohenackeri) 14. Narcissus mix (N. Cantabricus, N. romieuxii and some other small species) 15. Notholirion thomsonianum 16. Sternbergia greuteriana 17. Tulipa montana 18. Amana edulis *Rimmer de Vries* 19. Hippeastrum striatum 'Cianorte' semi-evergreen, small offsets 20. Nerine hybrid zinkowski rescue mix of pinks/small offsets *Jim Barton* 21. Calochortus luteus 22. Calochortus venustus 23. Calochortus vestae 24. Chlorogalum pomeridianum 25. Dichelostemma ida-maia 26. Triteleia ixioides 27. Triteleia laxa *James Shao* 28. Ferraria crispa dark 29. Ferraria crispa nortieri 30. Ferraria crispa A ex Telos 31. Ferraria crispa B ex Telos *Mike Lowitz * 32. Haemanthus albiflos 33. Hippeastrum cybister 'La Paz', very small 34. Veltheimia bracteata pink 35. Veltheimia bracteata yellow Bern Mlynczak 36. Sagittanthera mzimvubensis Best, Bridget _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 02 Sep 2022 00:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1720467308.102250.1662099761089@mail.yahoo.com> From: ray vanveen via pbs Subject: BX 485 now open Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2022 06:22:41 +0000 (UTC) Bridget I have never ordered from the bulb thus this is my first atempt I would like to order the following bulbs if availableand I will use the numbers as indicated on your list  1-511-1417-2021-23 or any of the calochortus24-272-36 I know it almost whole list but see what you can do not picky.New to the hobbyI want to pay with check but when do I send it to youThank youRay Van Veen5854 west 78th PlaceLos AngelesCA   90045 ph  310 612 9626 e mail   rayvv@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Bridget Wosczyna via pbs To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Cc: Bridget Wosczyna Sent: Wed, Aug 31, 2022 9:34 pm Subject: [pbs] BX 485 now open All: Standard rules apply for this BX. Kindly review the list below and email me with your request(s). I will send a simple acknowledgement of your email.  Should you not have a response from me within a day, kindly resend. Be sure to include your full name and address. Bulbs are $3 each.  Some orders will have multiple bulbs but only count as one order if we have a lot of that bulb to go around. This will be a lottery (however, if you did not receive something last round, kindly advise and I will assure some accommodation. Also, if there is something you really are looking to receive, it helps for me to know this as well.) You must be current in your membership and you must be up-to-date on BX/SX charges. KINDLY NOTE: Payments will no longer be made through the Paypal website due to changes in Paypal policies. PBS must be paid through the PBS website at: https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?page=BXpay You are still free to send payment via check if that is your preference. No orders to anywhere but the US and (sometimes) Canada can be entertained at this point.  We cannot furnish the appropriate phyto docs. This BX will be open until Saturday at 9 p.m. (EST)/6 p.m.(PST). Thank you to our current donors.  There are some super cool items below and everything looks healthy. The following are up for offer: *Jane McGary* 1.      Arum dioscoridis ssp dioscoridis          ("var philistaeum") 2.    Calochortus venustus      red forms 3.    Fritillaria rhodocanakis 4.    Gymnospermium albertii 5.    Iris bucharica 'New Argument'  Scorpiris/Juno sect 6.    Iris 'Blue Warlsind'            Scorpiris/Juno sect 7.    Iris willmottiana    (Regelia sect.) 8.    Iris 'Peresh'  (Oncocyclus sect. hybrid) 9.    Iris stolonifera hybrid      (Regelia sect.) 10.  Iris tuberosa (syn. Hermodactylus tuberosus)          select color form 11.  Iris warleyensis      (Scorpiris/Juno sect) 12.  Leucocoryne coquimbensis        mainly white form 13.  Scilla hohenackeri (syn. Fessia hohenackeri) 14.  Narcissus mix (N. Cantabricus, N. romieuxii and some other small species) 15.  Notholirion thomsonianum 16.  Sternbergia greuteriana 17.  Tulipa montana 18.  Amana edulis *Rimmer de Vries* 19.  Hippeastrum striatum 'Cianorte'  semi-evergreen, small offsets 20. Nerine hybrid zinkowski rescue            mix of pinks/small offsets *Jim Barton* 21.  Calochortus luteus 22. Calochortus venustus 23. Calochortus vestae 24. Chlorogalum pomeridianum 25. Dichelostemma ida-maia 26. Triteleia ixioides 27. Triteleia laxa *James Shao* 28. Ferraria crispa dark 29. Ferraria crispa nortieri 30. Ferraria crispa A ex Telos 31.  Ferraria crispa B ex Telos *Mike Lowitz          * 32. Haemanthus albiflos 33.  Hippeastrum cybister 'La Paz', very small 34. Veltheimia bracteata pink 35. Veltheimia bracteata yellow Bern Mlynczak 36. Sagittanthera mzimvubensis Best, Bridget _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 02 Sep 2022 00:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <781160008.101119.1662100106357@mail.yahoo.com> From: ray vanveen via pbs Subject: Fwd: BX 485 now open Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2022 06:28:26 +0000 (UTC) -n Bridget I have never ordered from the bulb thus this is my first attemptI would like to order the following bulbs if available and I will use the numbers as indicated on your list  1-511-1417-2021-23 or any of the calochortus24-2732-36 I know it almost whole list but see what you can do not picky.New to the hobby I want to pay with check but when do I send it to youThank youRay Van Veen5854 west 78th PlaceLos Angeles CA   90045 ph  310 612 9626 e mail   rayvv@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Bridget Wosczyna via pbs To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Cc: Bridget Wosczyna Sent: Wed, Aug 31, 2022 9:34 pm Subject: [pbs] BX 485 now open All: Standard rules apply for this BX. Kindly review the list below and email me with your request(s). I will send a simple acknowledgement of your email.  Should you not have a response from me within a day, kindly resend. Be sure to include your full name and address. Bulbs are $3 each.  Some orders will have multiple bulbs but only count as one order if we have a lot of that bulb to go around. This will be a lottery (however, if you did not receive something last round, kindly advise and I will assure some accommodation. Also, if there is something you really are looking to receive, it helps for me to know this as well.) You must be current in your membership and you must be up-to-date on BX/SX charges. KINDLY NOTE: Payments will no longer be made through the Paypal website due to changes in Paypal policies. PBS must be paid through the PBS website at: https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?page=BXpay You are still free to send payment via check if that is your preference. No orders to anywhere but the US and (sometimes) Canada can be entertained at this point.  We cannot furnish the appropriate phyto docs. This BX will be open until Saturday at 9 p.m. (EST)/6 p.m.(PST). Thank you to our current donors.  There are some super cool items below and everything looks healthy. The following are up for offer: *Jane McGary* 1.      Arum dioscoridis ssp dioscoridis          ("var philistaeum") 2.    Calochortus venustus      red forms 3.    Fritillaria rhodocanakis 4.    Gymnospermium albertii 5.    Iris bucharica 'New Argument'  Scorpiris/Juno sect 6.    Iris 'Blue Warlsind'            Scorpiris/Juno sect 7.    Iris willmottiana    (Regelia sect.) 8.    Iris 'Peresh'  (Oncocyclus sect. hybrid) 9.    Iris stolonifera hybrid      (Regelia sect.) 10.  Iris tuberosa (syn. Hermodactylus tuberosus)          select color form 11.  Iris warleyensis      (Scorpiris/Juno sect) 12.  Leucocoryne coquimbensis        mainly white form 13.  Scilla hohenackeri (syn. Fessia hohenackeri) 14.  Narcissus mix (N. Cantabricus, N. romieuxii and some other small species) 15.  Notholirion thomsonianum 16.  Sternbergia greuteriana 17.  Tulipa montana 18.  Amana edulis *Rimmer de Vries* 19.  Hippeastrum striatum 'Cianorte'  semi-evergreen, small offsets 20. Nerine hybrid zinkowski rescue            mix of pinks/small offsets *Jim Barton* 21.  Calochortus luteus 22. Calochortus venustus 23. Calochortus vestae 24. Chlorogalum pomeridianum 25. Dichelostemma ida-maia 26. Triteleia ixioides 27. Triteleia laxa *James Shao* 28. Ferraria crispa dark 29. Ferraria crispa nortieri 30. Ferraria crispa A ex Telos 31.  Ferraria crispa B ex Telos *Mike Lowitz          * 32. Haemanthus albiflos 33.  Hippeastrum cybister 'La Paz', very small 34. Veltheimia bracteata pink 35. Veltheimia bracteata yellow Bern Mlynczak 36. Sagittanthera mzimvubensis Best, Bridget _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 02 Sep 2022 04:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Bridget Wosczyna via pbs Subject: Fwd: BX 485 now open Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2022 07:11:54 -0400 Ray, perfect I will note your requests. How it works is I will send you whatever you may be allotted and there will be a slip with the amount due. You can then forward a check. I won’t be sending boxes until mid-next week so you needn’t expect anything for at least a week or so if you are assigned bulbs. Best, Bridget > On Sep 2, 2022, at 2:28 AM, ray vanveen via pbs wrote: > >  > > > -n > > Bridget > I have never ordered from the bulb thus this is my first attemptI would like to order the following bulbs if available and I will use the numbers as indicated on your list > 1-511-1417-2021-23 or any of the calochortus24-2732-36 > I know it almost whole list but see what you can do not picky.New to the hobby I want to pay with check but when do I send it to youThank youRay Van Veen5854 west 78th PlaceLos Angeles CA 90045 ph 310 612 9626 e mail rayvv@aol.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bridget Wosczyna via pbs > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Cc: Bridget Wosczyna > Sent: Wed, Aug 31, 2022 9:34 pm > Subject: [pbs] BX 485 now open > > All: > Standard rules apply for this BX. > > Kindly review the list below and email me with your request(s). I will send > a simple acknowledgement of your email. Should you not have a response > from me within a day, kindly resend. > > Be sure to include your full name and address. > > Bulbs are $3 each. Some orders will have multiple bulbs but only count as > one order if we have a lot of that bulb to go around. > > This will be a lottery (however, if you did not receive something last > round, kindly advise and I will assure some accommodation. Also, if there > is something you really are looking to receive, it helps for me to know > this as well.) > > You must be current in your membership and you must be up-to-date on BX/SX > charges. > > KINDLY NOTE: > > Payments will no longer be made through the Paypal website due to changes > in Paypal policies. PBS must be paid through the PBS website at: > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?page=BXpay > > You are still free to send payment via check if that is your preference. > > No orders to anywhere but the US and (sometimes) Canada can be entertained > at this point. We cannot furnish the appropriate phyto docs. > > This BX will be open until Saturday at 9 p.m. (EST)/6 p.m.(PST). > > Thank you to our current donors. There are some super cool items below and > everything looks healthy. > > The following are up for offer: > > *Jane McGary* > > 1. Arum dioscoridis ssp dioscoridis ("var philistaeum") > > 2. Calochortus venustus red forms > > 3. Fritillaria rhodocanakis > > 4. Gymnospermium albertii > > 5. Iris bucharica 'New Argument' Scorpiris/Juno sect > > 6. Iris 'Blue Warlsind' Scorpiris/Juno sect > > 7. Iris willmottiana (Regelia sect.) > > 8. Iris 'Peresh' (Oncocyclus sect. hybrid) > > 9. Iris stolonifera hybrid (Regelia sect.) > > 10. Iris tuberosa (syn. Hermodactylus tuberosus) select color > form > > 11. Iris warleyensis (Scorpiris/Juno sect) > > 12. Leucocoryne coquimbensis mainly white form > > 13. Scilla hohenackeri (syn. Fessia hohenackeri) > > 14. Narcissus mix (N. Cantabricus, N. romieuxii and some other small > species) > > 15. Notholirion thomsonianum > > 16. Sternbergia greuteriana > > 17. Tulipa montana > > 18. Amana edulis > > > > *Rimmer de Vries* > > 19. Hippeastrum striatum 'Cianorte' semi-evergreen, small offsets > > 20. Nerine hybrid zinkowski rescue mix of pinks/small offsets > > > > *Jim Barton* > > 21. Calochortus luteus > > 22. Calochortus venustus > > 23. Calochortus vestae > > 24. Chlorogalum pomeridianum > > 25. Dichelostemma ida-maia > > 26. Triteleia ixioides > > 27. Triteleia laxa > > > > *James Shao* > > 28. Ferraria crispa dark > > 29. Ferraria crispa nortieri > > 30. Ferraria crispa A ex Telos > > 31. Ferraria crispa B ex Telos > > > > *Mike Lowitz * > > 32. Haemanthus albiflos > > 33. Hippeastrum cybister 'La Paz', very small > > 34. Veltheimia bracteata pink > > 35. Veltheimia bracteata yellow > > > > Bern Mlynczak > > 36. Sagittanthera mzimvubensis > > > > Best, > Bridget > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 02 Sep 2022 07:17:01 -0700 Message-Id: <139564880.173238.1662126041137@mail.yahoo.com> From: ray vanveen via pbs Subject: Fwd: BX 485 now open Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2022 13:40:41 +0000 (UTC) Thanks -----Original Message----- From: Bridget Wosczyna via pbs To: Pacific Bulb Society Cc: Bridget Wosczyna Sent: Fri, Sep 2, 2022 4:11 am Subject: Re: [pbs] Fwd: BX 485 now open Ray, perfect I will note your requests. How it works is I will send you whatever you may be allotted and there will be a slip with the amount due. You can then forward a check. I won’t be sending boxes until mid-next week so you needn’t expect anything for at least a week or so if you are assigned bulbs.  Best, Bridget > On Sep 2, 2022, at 2:28 AM, ray vanveen via pbs wrote: > >  > > > -n > > Bridget > I have never ordered from the bulb thus this is my first attemptI would like to order the following bulbs if available and I will use the numbers as indicated on your list > 1-511-1417-2021-23 or any of the calochortus24-2732-36 > I know it almost whole list but see what you can do not picky.New to the hobby I want to pay with check but when do I send it to youThank youRay Van Veen5854 west 78th PlaceLos Angeles CA  90045 ph  310 612 9626 e mail  rayvv@aol.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bridget Wosczyna via pbs > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Cc: Bridget Wosczyna > Sent: Wed, Aug 31, 2022 9:34 pm > Subject: [pbs] BX 485 now open > > All: > Standard rules apply for this BX. > > Kindly review the list below and email me with your request(s). I will send > a simple acknowledgement of your email.  Should you not have a response > from me within a day, kindly resend. > > Be sure to include your full name and address. > > Bulbs are $3 each.  Some orders will have multiple bulbs but only count as > one order if we have a lot of that bulb to go around. > > This will be a lottery (however, if you did not receive something last > round, kindly advise and I will assure some accommodation. Also, if there > is something you really are looking to receive, it helps for me to know > this as well.) > > You must be current in your membership and you must be up-to-date on BX/SX > charges. > > KINDLY NOTE: > > Payments will no longer be made through the Paypal website due to changes > in Paypal policies. PBS must be paid through the PBS website at: > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?page=BXpay > > You are still free to send payment via check if that is your preference. > > No orders to anywhere but the US and (sometimes) Canada can be entertained > at this point.  We cannot furnish the appropriate phyto docs. > > This BX will be open until Saturday at 9 p.m. (EST)/6 p.m.(PST). > > Thank you to our current donors.  There are some super cool items below and > everything looks healthy. > > The following are up for offer: > > *Jane McGary* > > 1.      Arum dioscoridis ssp dioscoridis          ("var philistaeum") > > 2.    Calochortus venustus      red forms > > 3.    Fritillaria rhodocanakis > > 4.    Gymnospermium albertii > > 5.    Iris bucharica 'New Argument'  Scorpiris/Juno sect > > 6.    Iris 'Blue Warlsind'            Scorpiris/Juno sect > > 7.    Iris willmottiana    (Regelia sect.) > > 8.    Iris 'Peresh'  (Oncocyclus sect. hybrid) > > 9.    Iris stolonifera hybrid      (Regelia sect.) > > 10.  Iris tuberosa (syn. Hermodactylus tuberosus)          select color > form > > 11.  Iris warleyensis      (Scorpiris/Juno sect) > > 12.  Leucocoryne coquimbensis        mainly white form > > 13.  Scilla hohenackeri (syn. Fessia hohenackeri) > > 14.  Narcissus mix (N. Cantabricus, N. romieuxii and some other small > species) > > 15.  Notholirion thomsonianum > > 16.  Sternbergia greuteriana > > 17.  Tulipa montana > > 18.  Amana edulis > > > > *Rimmer de Vries* > > 19.  Hippeastrum striatum 'Cianorte'  semi-evergreen, small offsets > > 20. Nerine hybrid zinkowski rescue            mix of pinks/small offsets > > > > *Jim Barton* > > 21.  Calochortus luteus > > 22. Calochortus venustus > > 23. Calochortus vestae > > 24. Chlorogalum pomeridianum > > 25. Dichelostemma ida-maia > > 26. Triteleia ixioides > > 27. Triteleia laxa > > > > *James Shao* > > 28. Ferraria crispa dark > > 29. Ferraria crispa nortieri > > 30. Ferraria crispa A ex Telos > > 31.  Ferraria crispa B ex Telos > > > > *Mike Lowitz          * > > 32. Haemanthus albiflos > > 33.  Hippeastrum cybister 'La Paz', very small > > 34. Veltheimia bracteata pink > > 35. Veltheimia bracteata yellow > > > > Bern Mlynczak > > 36. Sagittanthera mzimvubensis > > > > Best, > Bridget > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 02 Sep 2022 08:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Emil Friend via pbs Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 67, Issue 1 Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2022 07:27:58 -0700 I have Lilium formosanum giganteum that I bought from Plant Delights nursery. It reliably gets taller than me (I'm 6'5) and is currently in bloom. I think extra fertilizer would drive it even taller. Only five flowers but they are large and open all at once so it's dramatic. The stems are very upright. My clump has stayed about the same size for several years now with about 5 full-size flowering stems. It gets moderate irrigation here in summer-very-dry Oakland CA, probably a bit less than it would like, and minimal winter chill (Z9) The seeds are produced prolifically and disperse effectively, popping up far from the parents. I'm happy to offer seed at an exchange if there's interest. For me this is a pretty easy plant. Emil Friend 510.499.8496 www.friendandsweet.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I bought a Lilium formosanum seedling from Annie's Annuals this spring. I > kept it inside my house in a window. It went on to produce one flower in > the shipping pot, which is 4" square and low. That is the first time in 38 > years at this house a member of genus Lilium has flowered, inside or out. > > After flowering the top gradually died down. I unpotted it and found a > small lily bulb about the size of a Queen Anne cherry. > > I repotted it to a tall, narrow 2-gallon nursery container. I don't know > the natural history of these. It is still good and hot here. Should I > expect it to grow again this season, or is it likely to remain dormant > until Spring? I know I should never let Lilium bulbs in a pot dry > completely. > > Leo Martin > Phoenix Arizona USA > Zone 9? > > Sent with Proton Mail secure email. > > > ----------------------------- > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 02 Sep 2022 08:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <000901d8bede$2e5bb990$8b132cb0$@hansennursery.com> From: R Hansen via pbs Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 67, Issue 1 Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2022 08:10:46 -0700 For all of you who grow Lilium formosanum, I get the distinct impression that they are self-pollinating? Or am I wrong? I understand nearly all or all lilies are not self-pollinating but would dearly like to know if any are. Robin Hansen Very foggy this a.m. Southwest Oregon _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 02 Sep 2022 12:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <868714093.3604839.1662143302415@mail.yahoo.com> From: Ernie DeMarie via pbs Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 67, Issue 1 Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2022 18:28:22 +0000 (UTC) Lilium formosanum and the smaller variety pricei are both self pollinating in my experience.  L formosanum is blooming right now here. Ernie DeMariein sunny too dry New York but rain might actually show up for the latter part of the four day holiday weekend -----Original Message----- From: R Hansen via pbs To: 'Pacific Bulb Society' Cc: R Hansen Sent: Fri, Sep 2, 2022 11:10 am Subject: Re: [pbs] pbs Digest, Vol 67, Issue 1 For all of you who grow Lilium formosanum, I get the distinct impression that they are self-pollinating? Or am I wrong? I understand nearly all or all lilies are not self-pollinating but would dearly like to know if any are. Robin Hansen Very foggy this a.m. Southwest Oregon _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 02 Sep 2022 12:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <001b01d8bf00$8f42e220$adc8a660$@hansennursery.com> From: R Hansen via pbs Subject: Was pbs Digest, Now Lilies again Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2022 12:16:52 -0700 So I'm not imagining that lovely fat seed pod on L. formosanum pricei! Good. Does anyone know of other self-pollinating lilies? L. wardii seems to be also as it now has a fat pod and was not blooming with any other lilies in the garden. Well, Ernie, does heavy fog and a little mist count? Robin Hansen Southwestern Oregon, foggy _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 02 Sep 2022 13:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: stephen willson via pbs Subject: Was pbs Digest, Now Lilies again Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2022 19:52:16 +0000 Robin - I did post a comment on the Forum, but I can repeat it briefly here: I think these lilies are apomictic rather than self-fertile (i.e. they set seed without fertilization). Several species are prone to this, most notably L. regale and pumilum. Regardless of the mechanism of setting seed, they should be viable. I would plant them as soon as they are ripe and dried. They should flower in their second summer. Good luck, Steve, Bow WA Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: pbs on behalf of R Hansen via pbs Sent: Friday, September 2, 2022 12:16:52 PM To: 'Pacific Bulb Society' Cc: R Hansen Subject: [pbs] Was pbs Digest, Now Lilies again So I'm not imagining that lovely fat seed pod on L. formosanum pricei! Good. Does anyone know of other self-pollinating lilies? L. wardii seems to be also as it now has a fat pod and was not blooming with any other lilies in the garden. Well, Ernie, does heavy fog and a little mist count? Robin Hansen Southwestern Oregon, foggy _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.pacificbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cc39b986de4cf47acc6b108da8d17b42d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637977430195085834%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=lABAPt95m2vVqBmI3s0%2BRZ7TTWN9DopNQOlMTuJXI4s%3D&reserved=0 Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pacificbulbsociety.org%2Fpbsforum%2Findex.php%3Faction%3Drecent&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cc39b986de4cf47acc6b108da8d17b42d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637977430195085834%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=LLcn%2FNOfrt3nAWd1VkJ1ezeKte4Qzz7D3JjG2dCIqFE%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 02 Sep 2022 13:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <20220902.150939.20190.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> From: Rick Rodich via pbs Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 67, Issue 1 Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2022 20:09:39 GMT I continue to ask Lilium experts how do you know that a species is self-pollinating or is freely apomictic? Haven't found anyone with an answer yet. Apparently, no one seems to care and there has been no scientific testing that I can find. That said, L. formosanum is generally spoken of as self-fertile and L. regale as freely apomictic. I did find one instance of a report from the US Fish & Wildlife Service that L. occidentale is self-fertile. Although the writer does realize this is a rare occurrence in the genus, I am not sure if the report is credible as it is mentioned only in passing. There are also instances for several other Lilium spp. where apomixis has been documented, but the impetus is not well understood and it can't be predicted, as far as I know. After L. formosanum and L. regale, L. pumilum and L. martagon have the next highest probability, but there is a huge gap between the two pairs of Lilium spp. And yes, I have recently read about the apomictic (or self-fertile) possibility of L. wardii. Although, don't get your hopes up too much: fat Lilium pods void of via ble seed is not uncommon, especially if they are hybrids. I keep a running list of this characteristic on a spread sheet, and I would be interested to know your results with wardii, if you could keep us updated. Rick Rodichjust west of Minneapolis, MN _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 02 Sep 2022 14:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <606794d1-1427-d076-a0ea-d8e46049a56d@code-garak.de> From: Garak via pbs Subject: EU Exchange EX05 now open for orders Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2022 23:05:19 +0200 Dear Members in the EU. The September EU 2022 bulb and seed exchange (BX) is now open for orders, as usual we have a time window over the weekend, ordering phase closes on *Monday September 5th at 24:00h Central European Time*. The closure will be announced on list and forum. Orders received within this period will be dealt with at random, so that everybody will have the same chance to get the rare and sought after items. Please read the entire instructions carefully and please note, the the US Bulb and Seed exchanges have different dates but continue otherwise unchanged. Please, do not worry if you would still have seed or bulbs to donate for this autumn exchange, there will be a second round of the EU BX which will be announced in due course. The donation period /remains open until further notice. / Please remember, that only fully paid members can order from this exchange. If you are not sure about your membership status or if you are tempted to join now, please get in touch with our treasurer Arnold Trachtenberg ( arnold140@verizon.net ). You do not need to be a donor to be entitled to order from this list but maybe you will become a donor in the future? The number of items you can order is not limited, you are allocated one portion of each ordered item but please refrain from asking "one of each" from this extensive list. As Brexit is now real and all grace periods are over, we sadly can not accept any orders from the UK. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS LIST OR THE FORUM WHEN ORDERING BUT SEND A NEW EMAIL or Forum PM TO MARTIN BOHNET IN GERMANY: ( garak@code-garak.de ) He is the director of the EU Seed and Bulb Exchange. Your order cannot be dealt with if you send it to the list by using the reply button. And please do not forget to let Martin have your postal address. *Pricing and Payment * Seeds are 2 US$ per portion, bulbs cost 3 US$. Very big or very rare bulbs may be more expensive. Left over seed from previous exchanges (numbers EX04_??? and EX03_??? ) are offered at a reduced price of 1US$. Postage is added to your order at cost. Please wait with your payment until you received your order, it will contain a payment slip with the sum due in US-Dollars. If you are a donor your credit will be deducted. Payment for the EU BX can only be made in US Dollars and only through PayPal. As PayPal has changed the conditions for foreign payments, you MUST go though the Pay-Pal payment form on the PBS website. Please go to the bottom of the Bulb Exchange page and fill in the payment form at https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?page=BXpay It is a tremendous help for our treasurer if you do not forget to put in the BX-Number and your name. Please wait with payment until your order is checked for availability after the ordering phase. Please do not hesitate to get in touch with Uli if you have questions ( johannes-ulrich-urban@t-online.de ) Our list is too excessive for Email this time - please find all 399 (!)  items here: https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?topic=299.msg2121#msg2121 Big thanks to all donors! Martin -- Martin (pronoun: he) ---------------------------------------------- Southern Germany Likely zone 7a _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 02 Sep 2022 15:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Tim Eck via pbs Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 67, Issue 1 Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2022 17:44:03 -0400 Not a lilium expert but I think you need to sequence the DNA to be certain. Typically, anything that self pollinates will have offspring much more homozygous than the parent - which of course includes apomictic clones of the parent. On Fri, Sep 2, 2022 at 4:10 PM Rick Rodich via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > I continue to ask Lilium experts how do you know that a species is > self-pollinating or is freely apomictic? > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest: > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sat, 03 Sep 2022 16:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Elaine J via pbs Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 67, Issue 3 Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2022 15:59:40 -0700 Emil, Thanks for your experience with Lilium formosanum giganteum. I had the impression it needed more humidity. But as I’m across the bay from you, I think I’ll give them a try. Now to find the bulbs! 😄 Best regards, -Elaine. I Message: 2 Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2022 07:27:58 -0700 From: Emil Friend To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Subject: Re: [pbs] pbs Digest, Vol 67, Issue 1 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I have Lilium formosanum giganteum that I bought from Plant Delights nursery. It reliably gets taller than me (I'm 6'5) and is currently in bloom. I think extra fertilizer would drive it even taller. Only five flowers but they are large and open all at once so it's dramatic. The stems are very upright. My clump has stayed about the same size for several years now with about 5 full-size flowering stems. It gets moderate irrigation here in summer-very-dry Oakland CA, probably a bit less than it would like, and minimal winter chill (Z9) The seeds are produced prolifically and disperse effectively, popping up far from the parents. I'm happy to offer seed at an exchange if there's interest. For me this is a pretty easy plant. Emil Friend 510.499.8496 www.friendandsweet.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sun, 04 Sep 2022 01:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <9aea20e4-d3b7-76f2-1748-b48c1308a6b2@code-garak.de> From: Garak via pbs Subject: Important update on EX05 - extended ordering phase, bigger catalogue Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2022 09:28:21 +0200 Dear EU Members, Attention! Due to a mistake, the leftovers from older Exchanges were only added on Sunday morning (European time), adding another 115 Items to a record-breaking overall of 514 items - please revisit the list, I'll happily expand already given orders and of course will take new ones. Link to the (now full) list is still: https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?topic=299.msg2121#msg2121 *Due to this, we extend the ordering phase by 24 hours to Thursday, 24:00, CET* -- Martin (pronoun: he) ---------------------------------------------- Southern Germany Likely zone 7a _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sun, 04 Sep 2022 01:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <01b1e1cc-01ec-bf84-714e-1f5c69987160@code-garak.de> From: Garak via pbs Subject: Important update on EX05 - extended ordering phase, bigger catalogue Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2022 09:43:00 +0200 And another mistake - Monday + 24 hours is of course Tuesday 24:00 CET - thanks to Uli for pointing this out. Am 04.09.2022 um 09:28 schrieb Garak via pbs: > Dear EU Members, > > Attention! Due to a mistake, the leftovers from older Exchanges were > only added on Sunday morning (European time), adding another 115 Items > to a record-breaking overall of 514 items - please revisit the list, > I'll happily expand already given orders and of course will take new > ones. > > Link to the (now full) list is still: > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?topic=299.msg2121#msg2121 > > > *Due to this, we extend the ordering phase by 24 hours to Thursday, > 24:00, CET* > -- Martin (pronoun: he) ---------------------------------------------- Southern Germany Likely zone 7a _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Tue, 06 Sep 2022 15:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <7a4ded33-e54c-4d61-57a1-ef54a08e5fbd@t-online.de> From: Uli via pbs Subject: EU BX-05 now closed Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2022 22:59:52 +0100 Dear Members living in the EU, The EU Seed and Bulb Exchange EU BX_05 is now closed. We do thank all the donors who made this impressive exchange possible. We also enjoy very much dealing with all of you, thank you for your friendly and constructive comments. Martin will now start the distribution which may take some days because the list is so vast. There will be a (smaller) second round, so the donation remains open until further notice. This and the opening of the second round will be announced through the same channels If there are any questions: Do not hesitate to contact Uli at johannes-ulrich-urban@t-online.de Happy growing! Martin and Uli _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 07 Sep 2022 23:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <2B162041-FE26-4155-9222-6E9355151074@me.com> From: Ceridwen Moss via pbs Subject: More turquoise and teal blooms - not bulbs! Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2022 20:30:53 +0930 Kings Park (home to the Western Australia Botanic Garden) have bred a Kangaroo Paw (Anigozanthos) that is definitely a teal colour. It is now commercially available - even at Bunnings (our big box hardware chain) under the series name “Celebrations”. So far I have Masquerade and another called Cocktail which is even more electric. Like all WA natives they need sharp drainage but grow well in South Australia. Hopefully available internationally soon. Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 08 Sep 2022 02:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <0FDB64D2-8B2D-4BE7-A1FE-63649B62ADAF@pacbell.net> From: Lee Poulsen via pbs Subject: More turquoise and teal blooms - not bulbs! Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2022 01:23:54 -0700 I have been paying attention to this and wondering if any commercial venture will bother to try importing them to the US. Kangaroo Paws grow very well in California but not so much anywhere else in the US. They’re hard to keep going in pots, but love being in the ground in this area. I even toyed with trying to find out if I could buy a wholesale flat of the “plugs” and pay for the outrageous phytosanitary inspection fees that Australia charges. I’ll wait a little longer to see what happens. I saw that there were 4 or so different varieties in the Celebration series that all had spectacular and unusual colors. I wish importing plants and bulbs, and now seeds would stop getting more difficult every year. Had I known back in the ‘90s that this is the way it would become, I could have taken out a huge loan and imported everything available. It was so easy back then. Thanks for the news update! --Lee Poulsen San Gabriel Valley, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34°N, Altitude 340 ft/100 m > On Sep 7, 2022, at 4:00 AM, Ceridwen Moss via pbs wrote: > > Kings Park (home to the Western Australia Botanic Garden) have bred a Kangaroo Paw (Anigozanthos) that is definitely a teal colour. It is now commercially available - even at Bunnings (our big box hardware chain) under the series name “Celebrations”. > So far I have Masquerade and another called Cocktail which is even more electric. > Like all WA natives they need sharp drainage but grow well in South Australia. Hopefully available internationally soon. > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 08 Sep 2022 02:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Colin Davis via pbs Subject: More turquoise and teal blooms - not bulbs! Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2022 01:27:16 -0700 Lee, It looks like Monrovia already has this for sale - https://www.monrovia.com/anigo-clbrtn-tm-mardi-gras-ppaf-45486.html Colin Southern Oregon USDA Zone 8b On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 1:24 AM Lee Poulsen via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > I have been paying attention to this and wondering if any commercial > venture will bother to try importing them to the US. Kangaroo Paws grow > very well in California but not so much anywhere else in the US. They’re > hard to keep going in pots, but love being in the ground in this area. I > even toyed with trying to find out if I could buy a wholesale flat of the > “plugs” and pay for the outrageous phytosanitary inspection fees that > Australia charges. I’ll wait a little longer to see what happens. I saw > that there were 4 or so different varieties in the Celebration series that > all had spectacular and unusual colors. I wish importing plants and bulbs, > and now seeds would stop getting more difficult every year. Had I known > back in the ‘90s that this is the way it would become, I could have taken > out a huge loan and imported everything available. It was so easy back then. > > Thanks for the news update! > --Lee Poulsen > San Gabriel Valley, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a > Latitude 34°N, Altitude 340 ft/100 m > > > On Sep 7, 2022, at 4:00 AM, Ceridwen Moss via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > > > Kings Park (home to the Western Australia Botanic Garden) have bred a > Kangaroo Paw (Anigozanthos) that is definitely a teal colour. It is now > commercially available - even at Bunnings (our big box hardware chain) > under the series name “Celebrations”. > > So far I have Masquerade and another called Cocktail which is even more > electric. > > Like all WA natives they need sharp drainage but grow well in South > Australia. Hopefully available internationally soon. > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest: > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 08 Sep 2022 09:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Robert Parks via pbs Subject: More turquoise and teal blooms - not bulbs! Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2022 08:19:29 -0700 I have seen a few of these from specialty nurseries in the US as well, although I don't remember which ones. Robert where it has partly cooled down in SF, the only casualties were a couple Arisaema tortuosum that are sensitive to temperatures over 90F/32C when it is sunny. On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 1:27 AM Colin Davis via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > Lee, It looks like Monrovia already has this for sale - > https://www.monrovia.com/anigo-clbrtn-tm-mardi-gras-ppaf-45486.html > > Colin > Southern Oregon > USDA Zone 8b > > On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 1:24 AM Lee Poulsen via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > > I have been paying attention to this and wondering if any commercial > > venture will bother to try importing them to the US. Kangaroo Paws grow > > very well in California but not so much anywhere else in the US. They’re > > hard to keep going in pots, but love being in the ground in this area. I > > even toyed with trying to find out if I could buy a wholesale flat of the > > “plugs” and pay for the outrageous phytosanitary inspection fees that > > Australia charges. I’ll wait a little longer to see what happens. I saw > > that there were 4 or so different varieties in the Celebration series > that > > all had spectacular and unusual colors. I wish importing plants and > bulbs, > > and now seeds would stop getting more difficult every year. Had I known > > back in the ‘90s that this is the way it would become, I could have taken > > out a huge loan and imported everything available. It was so easy back > then. > > > > Thanks for the news update! > > --Lee Poulsen > > San Gabriel Valley, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a > > Latitude 34°N, Altitude 340 ft/100 m > > > > > On Sep 7, 2022, at 4:00 AM, Ceridwen Moss via pbs < > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > > > > > Kings Park (home to the Western Australia Botanic Garden) have bred a > > Kangaroo Paw (Anigozanthos) that is definitely a teal colour. It is now > > commercially available - even at Bunnings (our big box hardware chain) > > under the series name “Celebrations”. > > > So far I have Masquerade and another called Cocktail which is even more > > electric. > > > Like all WA natives they need sharp drainage but grow well in South > > Australia. Hopefully available internationally soon. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > Unsubscribe: > > PBS Forum latest: > > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest: > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 08 Sep 2022 17:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <4217DA2E-6122-47A2-84B8-50E8392B199D@gmail.com> From: Jan Jeddeloh via pbs Subject: Seed mailed Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2022 17:14:45 -0700 All the seed requests from Seed Exchange 481 were mailed a couple of days ago. A few observations. Everyone, well it seemed like that anyway, wanted Pelargonium bowkeri. If you were in the top seven you got it otherwise you were out of luck. I only had three packets of four seeds each so it didn’t go far. I’ve emailed the donor, Robert Parks, and he will try to get more seed next year for future exchanges. There was a lot of interest in the Brazil Plants seed and most of their hippeastrum seed also went pretty fast. The amount of seed I received was small and I was only able to make two to four packets of three or four seeds. The sinningia seed went further but I will warn you that the packets will look almost empty when you get them. Rest assured there is seed in them; the seed is just extremely tiny. So look closely. I wasn’t sure how much interest there would be in Hymenocallis occidentalis so I asked people to specify how many seed they would like. Turns out I only had enough seed to give most requestors three seeds. So if you were hoping for ten or fifty seed you should lower your expectations. Happy seed sowing. Jan _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 08 Sep 2022 18:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <9F1324A5-6C81-492E-AC3E-5C2DC0785AE6@shasta.com> From: Christine Doud via pbs Subject: More turquoise and teal blooms - not bulbs! Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2022 17:30:50 -0700 I’m finding this very interesting because I love the teal colors, and here comes a Kangaroo Paw in teal!! And there are other neat colors in the Celebration Series. I’m in Santa Maria (CA) and Monrovia sells here locally so I’m hoping I’ll get a couple of them. Thanx everyone. Christine > On Sep 8, 2022, at 8:20 AM, Robert Parks via pbs wrote: > > I have seen a few of these from specialty nurseries in the US as well, > although I don't remember which ones. > > Robert > where it has partly cooled down in SF, the only casualties were a couple > Arisaema tortuosum that are sensitive to temperatures over 90F/32C when it > is sunny. > >> On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 1:27 AM Colin Davis via pbs < >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: >> >> Lee, It looks like Monrovia already has this for sale - >> https://www.Monrovia.com/anigo-clbrtn-tm-mardi-gras-ppaf-45486.html >> >> Colin >> Southern Oregon >> USDA Zone 8b >> >> On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 1:24 AM Lee Poulsen via pbs < >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: >> >>> I have been paying attention to this and wondering if any commercial >>> venture will bother to try importing them to the US. Kangaroo Paws grow >>> very well in California but not so much anywhere else in the US. They’re >>> hard to keep going in pots, but love being in the ground in this area. I >>> even toyed with trying to find out if I could buy a wholesale flat of the >>> “plugs” and pay for the outrageous phytosanitary inspection fees that >>> Australia charges. I’ll wait a little longer to see what happens. I saw >>> that there were 4 or so different varieties in the Celebration series >> that >>> all had spectacular and unusual colors. I wish importing plants and >> bulbs, >>> and now seeds would stop getting more difficult every year. Had I known >>> back in the ‘90s that this is the way it would become, I could have taken >>> out a huge loan and imported everything available. It was so easy back >> then. >>> >>> Thanks for the news update! >>> --Lee Poulsen >>> San Gabriel Valley, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a >>> Latitude 34°N, Altitude 340 ft/100 m >>> >>>> On Sep 7, 2022, at 4:00 AM, Ceridwen Moss via pbs < >>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> Kings Park (home to the Western Australia Botanic Garden) have bred a >>> Kangaroo Paw (Anigozanthos) that is definitely a teal colour. It is now >>> commercially available - even at Bunnings (our big box hardware chain) >>> under the series name “Celebrations”. >>>> So far I have Masquerade and another called Cocktail which is even more >>> electric. >>>> Like all WA natives they need sharp drainage but grow well in South >>> Australia. Hopefully available internationally soon. >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> pbs mailing list >>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >>> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs >>> Unsubscribe: >>> PBS Forum latest: >>> https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs >> Unsubscribe: >> PBS Forum latest: >> https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent >> > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 08 Sep 2022 18:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Robert Parks via pbs Subject: Seed mailed Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2022 17:51:27 -0700 Thank you for all your work with the seeds. Pelargonium bowkeri is a year round grower for me, and it flowers fall through spring, often enough both plants are in bloom at the same time, so hand pollination is easy enough. So likely sooner than next summer! Robert with more seasonal temperatures in SF at the moment. [image: width=] Virus-free.www.avg.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 5:14 PM Jan Jeddeloh via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > All the seed requests from Seed Exchange 481 were mailed a couple of days > ago. > > A few observations. Everyone, well it seemed like that anyway, wanted > Pelargonium bowkeri. If you were in the top seven you got it otherwise you > were out of luck. I only had three packets of four seeds each so it didn’t > go far. I’ve emailed the donor, Robert Parks, and he will try to get more > seed next year for future exchanges. > > There was a lot of interest in the Brazil Plants seed and most of their > hippeastrum seed also went pretty fast. The amount of seed I received was > small and I was only able to make two to four packets of three or four > seeds. The sinningia seed went further but I will warn you that the > packets will look almost empty when you get them. Rest assured there is > seed in them; the seed is just extremely tiny. So look closely. > > I wasn’t sure how much interest there would be in Hymenocallis > occidentalis so I asked people to specify how many seed they would like. > Turns out I only had enough seed to give most requestors three seeds. So > if you were hoping for ten or fifty seed you should lower your expectations. > > Happy seed sowing. > > Jan > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest: > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 08 Sep 2022 19:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <577CAF92-743C-4F1C-90FE-236ED6108C51@pacbell.net> From: Lee Poulsen via pbs Subject: More turquoise and teal blooms - not bulbs! Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2022 18:53:36 -0700 I see that Monrovia has 3 of the Celebrations series kangaroo paws: ‘Mardi Gras’, ‘Carnival’, and ‘Fireworks’. (But sadly not ‘Masquerade’. Yet, I hope.) But how do we get them? Many local nurseries carry stock from Monrovia. But only what they think will sell well. Most are not interested in the more unusual items. When I called around all the local nurseries the Monrovia website suggested about another plant variety I was looking for that was in the Monrovia catalog, none of them had nor planned to offer it. I am always stymied by trying to get items that wholesale nurseries have in their catalogs but are never sold at any of my local nurseries. I don’t get the point of why they grow those varieties if no retail customer who wants it can get a hold of it. Maybe I’m just not doing it right. What have others done to get these kinds of items? --Lee Poulsen San Gabriel Valley, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34°N, Altitude 340 ft/100 m > On Sep 8, 2022, at 5:30 PM, Christine Doud via pbs wrote: > > I’m finding this very interesting because I love the teal colors, and here comes a Kangaroo Paw in teal!! And there are other neat colors in the Celebration Series. > > I’m in Santa Maria (CA) and Monrovia sells here locally so I’m hoping I’ll get a couple of them. Thanx everyone. > > Christine > >> On Sep 8, 2022, at 8:20 AM, Robert Parks via pbs wrote: >> >> I have seen a few of these from specialty nurseries in the US as well, >> although I don't remember which ones. >> >> Robert >> where it has partly cooled down in SF, the only casualties were a couple >> Arisaema tortuosum that are sensitive to temperatures over 90F/32C when it >> is sunny. >> >>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 1:27 AM Colin Davis via pbs < >>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: >>> >>> Lee, It looks like Monrovia already has this for sale - >>> https://www.Monrovia.com/anigo-clbrtn-tm-mardi-gras-ppaf-45486.html >>> >>> Colin >>> Southern Oregon >>> USDA Zone 8b >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 1:24 AM Lee Poulsen via pbs < >>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: >>> >>>> I have been paying attention to this and wondering if any commercial >>>> venture will bother to try importing them to the US. Kangaroo Paws grow >>>> very well in California but not so much anywhere else in the US. They’re >>>> hard to keep going in pots, but love being in the ground in this area. I >>>> even toyed with trying to find out if I could buy a wholesale flat of the >>>> “plugs” and pay for the outrageous phytosanitary inspection fees that >>>> Australia charges. I’ll wait a little longer to see what happens. I saw >>>> that there were 4 or so different varieties in the Celebration series >>> that >>>> all had spectacular and unusual colors. I wish importing plants and >>> bulbs, >>>> and now seeds would stop getting more difficult every year. Had I known >>>> back in the ‘90s that this is the way it would become, I could have taken >>>> out a huge loan and imported everything available. It was so easy back >>> then. >>>> >>>> Thanks for the news update! >>>> --Lee Poulsen >>>> San Gabriel Valley, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a >>>> Latitude 34°N, Altitude 340 ft/100 m >>>> >>>>> On Sep 7, 2022, at 4:00 AM, Ceridwen Moss via pbs < >>>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Kings Park (home to the Western Australia Botanic Garden) have bred a >>>> Kangaroo Paw (Anigozanthos) that is definitely a teal colour. It is now >>>> commercially available - even at Bunnings (our big box hardware chain) >>>> under the series name “Celebrations”. >>>>> So far I have Masquerade and another called Cocktail which is even more >>>> electric. >>>>> Like all WA natives they need sharp drainage but grow well in South >>>> Australia. Hopefully available internationally soon. >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> pbs mailing list >>>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >>>> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs >>>> Unsubscribe: >>>> PBS Forum latest: >>>> https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> pbs mailing list >>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >>> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs >>> Unsubscribe: >>> PBS Forum latest: >>> https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs >> Unsubscribe: >> PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 08 Sep 2022 19:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Nan Sterman via pbs Subject: More turquoise and teal blooms - not bulbs! Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2022 19:04:38 -0700 I have seen them already in Southern California nurseries. I am not very fond of the colors. They look muddy to me but other people are going crazy over them Sent from my eye eye phone. All typos are the captain’s fault. > On Sep 8, 2022, at 8:19 AM, Robert Parks via pbs wrote: > > I have seen a few of these from specialty nurseries in the US as well, > although I don't remember which ones. > > Robert > where it has partly cooled down in SF, the only casualties were a couple > Arisaema tortuosum that are sensitive to temperatures over 90F/32C when it > is sunny. > >> On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 1:27 AM Colin Davis via pbs < >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: >> >> Lee, It looks like Monrovia already has this for sale - >> https://www.monrovia.com/anigo-clbrtn-tm-mardi-gras-ppaf-45486.html >> >> Colin >> Southern Oregon >> USDA Zone 8b >> >> On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 1:24 AM Lee Poulsen via pbs < >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: >> >>> I have been paying attention to this and wondering if any commercial >>> venture will bother to try importing them to the US. Kangaroo Paws grow >>> very well in California but not so much anywhere else in the US. They’re >>> hard to keep going in pots, but love being in the ground in this area. I >>> even toyed with trying to find out if I could buy a wholesale flat of the >>> “plugs” and pay for the outrageous phytosanitary inspection fees that >>> Australia charges. I’ll wait a little longer to see what happens. I saw >>> that there were 4 or so different varieties in the Celebration series >> that >>> all had spectacular and unusual colors. I wish importing plants and >> bulbs, >>> and now seeds would stop getting more difficult every year. Had I known >>> back in the ‘90s that this is the way it would become, I could have taken >>> out a huge loan and imported everything available. It was so easy back >> then. >>> >>> Thanks for the news update! >>> --Lee Poulsen >>> San Gabriel Valley, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a >>> Latitude 34°N, Altitude 340 ft/100 m >>> >>>> On Sep 7, 2022, at 4:00 AM, Ceridwen Moss via pbs < >>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> Kings Park (home to the Western Australia Botanic Garden) have bred a >>> Kangaroo Paw (Anigozanthos) that is definitely a teal colour. It is now >>> commercially available - even at Bunnings (our big box hardware chain) >>> under the series name “Celebrations”. >>>> So far I have Masquerade and another called Cocktail which is even more >>> electric. >>>> Like all WA natives they need sharp drainage but grow well in South >>> Australia. Hopefully available internationally soon. >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> pbs mailing list >>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >>> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs >>> Unsubscribe: >>> PBS Forum latest: >>> https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs >> Unsubscribe: >> PBS Forum latest: >> https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent >> > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 08 Sep 2022 20:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <6DBB43AE-1FA0-4D09-BE68-1B05B14649E5@waterwisegardener.com> From: Nan Sterman via pbs Subject: More turquoise and teal blooms - not bulbs! Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2022 19:32:35 -0700 They are already in Southern California nurseries. I find the colors to be too muddy but other people are very fond of them. > On Sep 8, 2022, at 6:53 PM, Lee Poulsen via pbs wrote: > > I see that Monrovia has 3 of the Celebrations series kangaroo paws: ‘Mardi Gras’, ‘Carnival’, and ‘Fireworks’. (But sadly not ‘Masquerade’. Yet, I hope.) > > But how do we get them? Many local nurseries carry stock from Monrovia. But only what they think will sell well. Most are not interested in the more unusual items. When I called around all the local nurseries the Monrovia website suggested about another plant variety I was looking for that was in the Monrovia catalog, none of them had nor planned to offer it. I am always stymied by trying to get items that wholesale nurseries have in their catalogs but are never sold at any of my local nurseries. I don’t get the point of why they grow those varieties if no retail customer who wants it can get a hold of it. Maybe I’m just not doing it right. What have others done to get these kinds of items? > > --Lee Poulsen > San Gabriel Valley, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a > Latitude 34°N, Altitude 340 ft/100 m > >> On Sep 8, 2022, at 5:30 PM, Christine Doud via pbs wrote: >> >> I’m finding this very interesting because I love the teal colors, and here comes a Kangaroo Paw in teal!! And there are other neat colors in the Celebration Series. >> >> I’m in Santa Maria (CA) and Monrovia sells here locally so I’m hoping I’ll get a couple of them. Thanx everyone. >> >> Christine >> >>> On Sep 8, 2022, at 8:20 AM, Robert Parks via pbs wrote: >>> >>> I have seen a few of these from specialty nurseries in the US as well, >>> although I don't remember which ones. >>> >>> Robert >>> where it has partly cooled down in SF, the only casualties were a couple >>> Arisaema tortuosum that are sensitive to temperatures over 90F/32C when it >>> is sunny. >>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 1:27 AM Colin Davis via pbs < >>>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> Lee, It looks like Monrovia already has this for sale - >>>> https://www.Monrovia.com/anigo-clbrtn-tm-mardi-gras-ppaf-45486.html >>>> >>>> Colin >>>> Southern Oregon >>>> USDA Zone 8b >>>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 1:24 AM Lee Poulsen via pbs < >>>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have been paying attention to this and wondering if any commercial >>>>> venture will bother to try importing them to the US. Kangaroo Paws grow >>>>> very well in California but not so much anywhere else in the US. They’re >>>>> hard to keep going in pots, but love being in the ground in this area. I >>>>> even toyed with trying to find out if I could buy a wholesale flat of the >>>>> “plugs” and pay for the outrageous phytosanitary inspection fees that >>>>> Australia charges. I’ll wait a little longer to see what happens. I saw >>>>> that there were 4 or so different varieties in the Celebration series >>>> that >>>>> all had spectacular and unusual colors. I wish importing plants and >>>> bulbs, >>>>> and now seeds would stop getting more difficult every year. Had I known >>>>> back in the ‘90s that this is the way it would become, I could have taken >>>>> out a huge loan and imported everything available. It was so easy back >>>> then. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the news update! >>>>> --Lee Poulsen >>>>> San Gabriel Valley, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a >>>>> Latitude 34°N, Altitude 340 ft/100 m >>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 7, 2022, at 4:00 AM, Ceridwen Moss via pbs < >>>>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Kings Park (home to the Western Australia Botanic Garden) have bred a >>>>> Kangaroo Paw (Anigozanthos) that is definitely a teal colour. It is now >>>>> commercially available - even at Bunnings (our big box hardware chain) >>>>> under the series name “Celebrations”. >>>>>> So far I have Masquerade and another called Cocktail which is even more >>>>> electric. >>>>>> Like all WA natives they need sharp drainage but grow well in South >>>>> Australia. Hopefully available internationally soon. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> pbs mailing list >>>>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >>>>> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs >>>>> Unsubscribe: >>>>> PBS Forum latest: >>>>> https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> pbs mailing list >>>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >>>> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs >>>> Unsubscribe: >>>> PBS Forum latest: >>>> https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> pbs mailing list >>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >>> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs >>> Unsubscribe: >>> PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs >> Unsubscribe: >> PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 08 Sep 2022 20:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Lee Poulsen via pbs Subject: More turquoise and teal blooms - not bulbs! Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2022 19:44:36 -0700 I’ll have to go look. Thanks for the information. Could they be muddy because they are past their prime or not being grown under good conditions? I’ve seen many a kangaroo paw in the more typical red, yellow, orange, and pink colors that have looked very muddy (great term, describes it exactly). But then I see the same varieties grown well, usually in the ground, and the colors are spectacular. And the first time I saw an entire bed of the black kangaroo paw, in Kings Park in Perth of all places, I was blown away. BTW, I just noticed that the Subject line mentions that they’re not bulbs. But they are rhizomes, which are geophytes too, so they count. --Lee Poulsen San Gabriel Valley, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34°N, Altitude 340 ft/100 m > On Sep 8, 2022, at 7:04 PM, Nan Sterman via pbs wrote: > > I have seen them already in Southern California nurseries. I am not very fond of the colors. They look muddy to me but other people are going crazy over them > > Sent from my eye eye phone. All typos are the captain’s fault. > >> On Sep 8, 2022, at 8:19 AM, Robert Parks via pbs wrote: >> >> I have seen a few of these from specialty nurseries in the US as well, >> although I don't remember which ones. >> >> Robert >> where it has partly cooled down in SF, the only casualties were a couple >> Arisaema tortuosum that are sensitive to temperatures over 90F/32C when it >> is sunny. >> >>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 1:27 AM Colin Davis via pbs < >>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: >>> >>> Lee, It looks like Monrovia already has this for sale - >>> https://www.monrovia.com/anigo-clbrtn-tm-mardi-gras-ppaf-45486.html >>> >>> Colin >>> Southern Oregon >>> USDA Zone 8b >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 1:24 AM Lee Poulsen via pbs < >>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: >>> >>>> I have been paying attention to this and wondering if any commercial >>>> venture will bother to try importing them to the US. Kangaroo Paws grow >>>> very well in California but not so much anywhere else in the US. They’re >>>> hard to keep going in pots, but love being in the ground in this area. I >>>> even toyed with trying to find out if I could buy a wholesale flat of the >>>> “plugs” and pay for the outrageous phytosanitary inspection fees that >>>> Australia charges. I’ll wait a little longer to see what happens. I saw >>>> that there were 4 or so different varieties in the Celebration series >>> that >>>> all had spectacular and unusual colors. I wish importing plants and >>> bulbs, >>>> and now seeds would stop getting more difficult every year. Had I known >>>> back in the ‘90s that this is the way it would become, I could have taken >>>> out a huge loan and imported everything available. It was so easy back >>> then. >>>> >>>> Thanks for the news update! >>>> --Lee Poulsen >>>> San Gabriel Valley, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a >>>> Latitude 34°N, Altitude 340 ft/100 m >>>> >>>>> On Sep 7, 2022, at 4:00 AM, Ceridwen Moss via pbs < >>>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Kings Park (home to the Western Australia Botanic Garden) have bred a >>>> Kangaroo Paw (Anigozanthos) that is definitely a teal colour. It is now >>>> commercially available - even at Bunnings (our big box hardware chain) >>>> under the series name “Celebrations”. >>>>> So far I have Masquerade and another called Cocktail which is even more >>>> electric. >>>>> Like all WA natives they need sharp drainage but grow well in South >>>> Australia. Hopefully available internationally soon. >>>>> _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 08 Sep 2022 20:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Colin Davis via pbs Subject: More turquoise and teal blooms - not bulbs! Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2022 19:45:11 -0700 Lee - I actually talked to Monrovia earlier about that same thing - they haven't released them yet, planning on April next year. They said they are switching over to a new computer system, and that it should be up and running by January at which point you can pre-order. You should be able to order direct from Monrovia and have them ship to a local distributor nursery where you can pick them up. Colin Southern Oregon Zone 8b On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 7:32 PM Nan Sterman via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > They are already in Southern California nurseries. I find the colors to > be too muddy but other people are very fond of them. > > > On Sep 8, 2022, at 6:53 PM, Lee Poulsen via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > > > I see that Monrovia has 3 of the Celebrations series kangaroo paws: > ‘Mardi Gras’, ‘Carnival’, and ‘Fireworks’. (But sadly not ‘Masquerade’. > Yet, I hope.) > > > > But how do we get them? Many local nurseries carry stock from Monrovia. > But only what they think will sell well. Most are not interested in the > more unusual items. When I called around all the local nurseries the > Monrovia website suggested about another plant variety I was looking for > that was in the Monrovia catalog, none of them had nor planned to offer it. > I am always stymied by trying to get items that wholesale nurseries have in > their catalogs but are never sold at any of my local nurseries. I don’t get > the point of why they grow those varieties if no retail customer who wants > it can get a hold of it. Maybe I’m just not doing it right. What have > others done to get these kinds of items? > > > > --Lee Poulsen > > San Gabriel Valley, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a > > Latitude 34°N, Altitude 340 ft/100 m > > > >> On Sep 8, 2022, at 5:30 PM, Christine Doud via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > >> > >> I’m finding this very interesting because I love the teal colors, and > here comes a Kangaroo Paw in teal!! And there are other neat colors in the > Celebration Series. > >> > >> I’m in Santa Maria (CA) and Monrovia sells here locally so I’m hoping > I’ll get a couple of them. Thanx everyone. > >> > >> Christine > >> > >>> On Sep 8, 2022, at 8:20 AM, Robert Parks via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > >>> > >>> I have seen a few of these from specialty nurseries in the US as well, > >>> although I don't remember which ones. > >>> > >>> Robert > >>> where it has partly cooled down in SF, the only casualties were a > couple > >>> Arisaema tortuosum that are sensitive to temperatures over 90F/32C > when it > >>> is sunny. > >>> > >>>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 1:27 AM Colin Davis via pbs < > >>>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Lee, It looks like Monrovia already has this for sale - > >>>> https://www.Monrovia.com/anigo-clbrtn-tm-mardi-gras-ppaf-45486.html > >>>> > >>>> Colin > >>>> Southern Oregon > >>>> USDA Zone 8b > >>>> > >>>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 1:24 AM Lee Poulsen via pbs < > >>>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I have been paying attention to this and wondering if any commercial > >>>>> venture will bother to try importing them to the US. Kangaroo Paws > grow > >>>>> very well in California but not so much anywhere else in the US. > They’re > >>>>> hard to keep going in pots, but love being in the ground in this > area. I > >>>>> even toyed with trying to find out if I could buy a wholesale flat > of the > >>>>> “plugs” and pay for the outrageous phytosanitary inspection fees that > >>>>> Australia charges. I’ll wait a little longer to see what happens. I > saw > >>>>> that there were 4 or so different varieties in the Celebration series > >>>> that > >>>>> all had spectacular and unusual colors. I wish importing plants and > >>>> bulbs, > >>>>> and now seeds would stop getting more difficult every year. Had I > known > >>>>> back in the ‘90s that this is the way it would become, I could have > taken > >>>>> out a huge loan and imported everything available. It was so easy > back > >>>> then. > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks for the news update! > >>>>> --Lee Poulsen > >>>>> San Gabriel Valley, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a > >>>>> Latitude 34°N, Altitude 340 ft/100 m > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Sep 7, 2022, at 4:00 AM, Ceridwen Moss via pbs < > >>>>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Kings Park (home to the Western Australia Botanic Garden) have bred > a > >>>>> Kangaroo Paw (Anigozanthos) that is definitely a teal colour. It is > now > >>>>> commercially available - even at Bunnings (our big box hardware > chain) > >>>>> under the series name “Celebrations”. > >>>>>> So far I have Masquerade and another called Cocktail which is even > more > >>>>> electric. > >>>>>> Like all WA natives they need sharp drainage but grow well in South > >>>>> Australia. Hopefully available internationally soon. > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> pbs mailing list > >>>>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > >>>>> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > >>>>> Unsubscribe: > >>>>> PBS Forum latest: > >>>>> https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > >>>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> pbs mailing list > >>>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > >>>> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > >>>> Unsubscribe: > >>>> PBS Forum latest: > >>>> https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> pbs mailing list > >>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > >>> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > >>> Unsubscribe: > >>> PBS Forum latest: > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> pbs mailing list > >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > >> Unsubscribe: > >> PBS Forum latest: > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > Unsubscribe: > > PBS Forum latest: > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest: > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 08 Sep 2022 20:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <6055E5F0-5F2F-481A-AFC9-6D0296492CF4@waterwisegardener.com> From: Nan Sterman via pbs Subject: More turquoise and teal blooms - not bulbs! Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2022 19:48:07 -0700 This was last spring so they should have been in their prime. > On Sep 8, 2022, at 7:44 PM, Lee Poulsen via pbs wrote: > > I’ll have to go look. Thanks for the information. > > Could they be muddy because they are past their prime or not being grown under good conditions? I’ve seen many a kangaroo paw in the more typical red, yellow, orange, and pink colors that have looked very muddy (great term, describes it exactly). But then I see the same varieties grown well, usually in the ground, and the colors are spectacular. And the first time I saw an entire bed of the black kangaroo paw, in Kings Park in Perth of all places, I was blown away. > > BTW, I just noticed that the Subject line mentions that they’re not bulbs. But they are rhizomes, which are geophytes too, so they count. > > --Lee Poulsen > San Gabriel Valley, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a > Latitude 34°N, Altitude 340 ft/100 m > >> On Sep 8, 2022, at 7:04 PM, Nan Sterman via pbs wrote: >> >> I have seen them already in Southern California nurseries. I am not very fond of the colors. They look muddy to me but other people are going crazy over them >> >> Sent from my eye eye phone. All typos are the captain’s fault. >> >>> On Sep 8, 2022, at 8:19 AM, Robert Parks via pbs wrote: >>> >>> I have seen a few of these from specialty nurseries in the US as well, >>> although I don't remember which ones. >>> >>> Robert >>> where it has partly cooled down in SF, the only casualties were a couple >>> Arisaema tortuosum that are sensitive to temperatures over 90F/32C when it >>> is sunny. >>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 1:27 AM Colin Davis via pbs < >>>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> Lee, It looks like Monrovia already has this for sale - >>>> https://www.monrovia.com/anigo-clbrtn-tm-mardi-gras-ppaf-45486.html >>>> >>>> Colin >>>> Southern Oregon >>>> USDA Zone 8b >>>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 1:24 AM Lee Poulsen via pbs < >>>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have been paying attention to this and wondering if any commercial >>>>> venture will bother to try importing them to the US. Kangaroo Paws grow >>>>> very well in California but not so much anywhere else in the US. They’re >>>>> hard to keep going in pots, but love being in the ground in this area. I >>>>> even toyed with trying to find out if I could buy a wholesale flat of the >>>>> “plugs” and pay for the outrageous phytosanitary inspection fees that >>>>> Australia charges. I’ll wait a little longer to see what happens. I saw >>>>> that there were 4 or so different varieties in the Celebration series >>>> that >>>>> all had spectacular and unusual colors. I wish importing plants and >>>> bulbs, >>>>> and now seeds would stop getting more difficult every year. Had I known >>>>> back in the ‘90s that this is the way it would become, I could have taken >>>>> out a huge loan and imported everything available. It was so easy back >>>> then. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the news update! >>>>> --Lee Poulsen >>>>> San Gabriel Valley, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a >>>>> Latitude 34°N, Altitude 340 ft/100 m >>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 7, 2022, at 4:00 AM, Ceridwen Moss via pbs < >>>>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Kings Park (home to the Western Australia Botanic Garden) have bred a >>>>> Kangaroo Paw (Anigozanthos) that is definitely a teal colour. It is now >>>>> commercially available - even at Bunnings (our big box hardware chain) >>>>> under the series name “Celebrations”. >>>>>> So far I have Masquerade and another called Cocktail which is even more >>>>> electric. >>>>>> Like all WA natives they need sharp drainage but grow well in South >>>>> Australia. Hopefully available internationally soon. >>>>>> > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 08 Sep 2022 21:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Christine Doud via pbs Subject: More turquoise and teal blooms - not bulbs! Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2022 20:49:26 -0700 I called my local nursery and they told me they have had some of these plants already. I’ll let you know if they/ I’m able to get any of them. As I said in my previous post, I’m in Santa Maria. Christine > On Sep 8, 2022, at 7:48 PM, Nan Sterman via pbs wrote: > > This was last spring so they should have been in their prime. > >> On Sep 8, 2022, at 7:44 PM, Lee Poulsen via pbs wrote: >> >> I’ll have to go look. Thanks for the information. >> >> Could they be muddy because they are past their prime or not being grown under good conditions? I’ve seen many a kangaroo paw in the more typical red, yellow, orange, and pink colors that have looked very muddy (great term, describes it exactly). But then I see the same varieties grown well, usually in the ground, and the colors are spectacular. And the first time I saw an entire bed of the black kangaroo paw, in Kings Park in Perth of all places, I was blown away. >> >> BTW, I just noticed that the Subject line mentions that they’re not bulbs. But they are rhizomes, which are geophytes too, so they count. >> >> --Lee Poulsen >> San Gabriel Valley, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a >> Latitude 34°N, Altitude 340 ft/100 m >> >>>> On Sep 8, 2022, at 7:04 PM, Nan Sterman via pbs wrote: >>> >>> I have seen them already in Southern California nurseries. I am not very fond of the colors. They look muddy to me but other people are going crazy over them >>> >>> Sent from my eye eye phone. All typos are the captain’s fault. >>> >>>> On Sep 8, 2022, at 8:19 AM, Robert Parks via pbs wrote: >>>> >>>> I have seen a few of these from specialty nurseries in the US as well, >>>> although I don't remember which ones. >>>> >>>> Robert >>>> where it has partly cooled down in SF, the only casualties were a couple >>>> Arisaema tortuosum that are sensitive to temperatures over 90F/32C when it >>>> is sunny. >>>> >>>>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 1:27 AM Colin Davis via pbs < >>>>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Lee, It looks like Monrovia already has this for sale - >>>>> https://www.monrovia.com/anigo-clbrtn-tm-mardi-gras-ppaf-45486.html >>>>> >>>>> Colin >>>>> Southern Oregon >>>>> USDA Zone 8b >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 1:24 AM Lee Poulsen via pbs < >>>>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I have been paying attention to this and wondering if any commercial >>>>>> venture will bother to try importing them to the US. Kangaroo Paws grow >>>>>> very well in California but not so much anywhere else in the US. They’re >>>>>> hard to keep going in pots, but love being in the ground in this area. I >>>>>> even toyed with trying to find out if I could buy a wholesale flat of the >>>>>> “plugs” and pay for the outrageous phytosanitary inspection fees that >>>>>> Australia charges. I’ll wait a little longer to see what happens. I saw >>>>>> that there were 4 or so different varieties in the Celebration series >>>>> that >>>>>> all had spectacular and unusual colors. I wish importing plants and >>>>> bulbs, >>>>>> and now seeds would stop getting more difficult every year. Had I known >>>>>> back in the ‘90s that this is the way it would become, I could have taken >>>>>> out a huge loan and imported everything available. It was so easy back >>>>> then. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for the news update! >>>>>> --Lee Poulsen >>>>>> San Gabriel Valley, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a >>>>>> Latitude 34°N, Altitude 340 ft/100 m >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 7, 2022, at 4:00 AM, Ceridwen Moss via pbs < >>>>>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kings Park (home to the Western Australia Botanic Garden) have bred a >>>>>> Kangaroo Paw (Anigozanthos) that is definitely a teal colour. It is now >>>>>> commercially available - even at Bunnings (our big box hardware chain) >>>>>> under the series name “Celebrations”. >>>>>>> So far I have Masquerade and another called Cocktail which is even more >>>>>> electric. >>>>>>> Like all WA natives they need sharp drainage but grow well in South >>>>>> Australia. Hopefully available internationally soon. >>>>>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs >> Unsubscribe: >> PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 08 Sep 2022 21:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Mike via pbs Subject: More turquoise and teal blooms - not bulbs! Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2022 20:55:46 -0700 Lee, I agree it’s frustrating to hunt down plants that you see with the wholesale trade. I’ve found a great partner nursery to work with that knows if I request it, I’ll buy it. I believe that’s the elephant in the room for the small local nurseries. They can’t take the inventory hit on either end. I grabbed some Bulbine the other day that was a special order that a gardener ordered 10 and took 4. I typically enjoy working with San Marcos Growers as a SoCal wholesaler and Suncrest Nurseries for a NorCal wholesaler. My local nursery has a good relationship with both. I have had some success with Monrovia utilizing a local Lowes with a good garden manager. San Marcos gives you an accurate searchable public “what’s available” page with sizes and comments and took my inquiry phone calls. I will add that I’ve sourced several plants that are uncommon from them through my local nursery and they have always been great quality. Example Kniphofia Christmas Cheer not easy to come by, ( the real cultivar developed by the Huntington) I obtained through San Marcos last year for a housewarming present. They arrived in 2 weeks all 7 were in great shape and have thrived. Not sure if either wholesaler has this series of Kangaroo Paws but great places to check. Mike San Diego Baking in the heat kicked up by Tropical Storm Kay. Hopefully in the moisture zone later tonight working up the Baja. On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 7:44 PM Lee Poulsen via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > I’ll have to go look. Thanks for the information. > > Could they be muddy because they are past their prime or not being grown > under good conditions? I’ve seen many a kangaroo paw in the more typical > red, yellow, orange, and pink colors that have looked very muddy (great > term, describes it exactly). But then I see the same varieties grown well, > usually in the ground, and the colors are spectacular. And the first time I > saw an entire bed of the black kangaroo paw, in Kings Park in Perth of all > places, I was blown away. > > BTW, I just noticed that the Subject line mentions that they’re not bulbs. > But they are rhizomes, which are geophytes too, so they count. > > --Lee Poulsen > San Gabriel Valley, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a > Latitude 34°N, Altitude 340 ft/100 m > > > On Sep 8, 2022, at 7:04 PM, Nan Sterman via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > > > I have seen them already in Southern California nurseries. I am not > very fond of the colors. They look muddy to me but other people are going > crazy over them > > > > Sent from my eye eye phone. All typos are the captain’s fault. > > > >> On Sep 8, 2022, at 8:19 AM, Robert Parks via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > >> > >> I have seen a few of these from specialty nurseries in the US as well, > >> although I don't remember which ones. > >> > >> Robert > >> where it has partly cooled down in SF, the only casualties were a couple > >> Arisaema tortuosum that are sensitive to temperatures over 90F/32C when > it > >> is sunny. > >> > >>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 1:27 AM Colin Davis via pbs < > >>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > >>> > >>> Lee, It looks like Monrovia already has this for sale - > >>> https://www.monrovia.com/anigo-clbrtn-tm-mardi-gras-ppaf-45486.html > >>> > >>> Colin > >>> Southern Oregon > >>> USDA Zone 8b > >>> > >>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 1:24 AM Lee Poulsen via pbs < > >>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > >>> > >>>> I have been paying attention to this and wondering if any commercial > >>>> venture will bother to try importing them to the US. Kangaroo Paws > grow > >>>> very well in California but not so much anywhere else in the US. > They’re > >>>> hard to keep going in pots, but love being in the ground in this > area. I > >>>> even toyed with trying to find out if I could buy a wholesale flat of > the > >>>> “plugs” and pay for the outrageous phytosanitary inspection fees that > >>>> Australia charges. I’ll wait a little longer to see what happens. I > saw > >>>> that there were 4 or so different varieties in the Celebration series > >>> that > >>>> all had spectacular and unusual colors. I wish importing plants and > >>> bulbs, > >>>> and now seeds would stop getting more difficult every year. Had I > known > >>>> back in the ‘90s that this is the way it would become, I could have > taken > >>>> out a huge loan and imported everything available. It was so easy back > >>> then. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks for the news update! > >>>> --Lee Poulsen > >>>> San Gabriel Valley, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a > >>>> Latitude 34°N, Altitude 340 ft/100 m > >>>> > >>>>> On Sep 7, 2022, at 4:00 AM, Ceridwen Moss via pbs < > >>>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Kings Park (home to the Western Australia Botanic Garden) have bred a > >>>> Kangaroo Paw (Anigozanthos) that is definitely a teal colour. It is > now > >>>> commercially available - even at Bunnings (our big box hardware chain) > >>>> under the series name “Celebrations”. > >>>>> So far I have Masquerade and another called Cocktail which is even > more > >>>> electric. > >>>>> Like all WA natives they need sharp drainage but grow well in South > >>>> Australia. Hopefully available internationally soon. > >>>>> > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest: > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 09 Sep 2022 16:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Kyle Terry Boland via pbs Subject: Chipping Crinum. Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2022 11:12:06 +1200 Hi there, I have some variegated Crinum, and wanted to know if you can chip them, to increase stock faster. Cheers Kiyel, New Zealand. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 09 Sep 2022 17:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Tim Eck via pbs Subject: Chipping Crinum. Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2022 19:31:16 -0400 Yes you can. I got 100% (actually, closer to 200%) success from chipping several crosses and about 20% from twin scaling. The hybrids were bulbispermum x ligulatum, bulbispermum x fimbriatulum, and bulbispermum x (scabrum x fimbriatulum). On Fri, Sep 9, 2022 at 7:12 PM Kyle Terry Boland via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > Hi there, I have some variegated Crinum, and wanted to know if you can > chip them, to increase stock faster. > Cheers Kiyel, New Zealand. > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest: > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 09 Sep 2022 17:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Tim Eck via pbs Subject: Chipping Crinum. Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2022 19:44:17 -0400 Sorry, I didn't notice the variegated part but I assume you would get some success. Is the variegation constant in geometry (e.g. albomarginata) or random? On Fri, Sep 9, 2022 at 7:31 PM Tim Eck wrote: > Yes you can. I got 100% (actually, closer to 200%) success from chipping > several crosses and about 20% from twin scaling. The hybrids were > bulbispermum x ligulatum, bulbispermum x fimbriatulum, and bulbispermum x > (scabrum x fimbriatulum). > > On Fri, Sep 9, 2022 at 7:12 PM Kyle Terry Boland via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > >> Hi there, I have some variegated Crinum, and wanted to know if you can >> chip them, to increase stock faster. >> Cheers Kiyel, New Zealand. >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs >> Unsubscribe: >> PBS Forum latest: >> https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent >> > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 09 Sep 2022 17:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jan Jeddeloh via pbs Subject: Chipping Crinum. Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2022 17:09:52 -0700 Is Chipping Crinum a town in Midsommer or maybe next door to Brokenwood (love that show)? Sorry I couldn’t resist. Jan > On Sep 9, 2022, at 4:12 PM, Kyle Terry Boland via pbs wrote: > > Hi there, I have some variegated Crinum, and wanted to know if you can chip them, to increase stock faster. > Cheers Kiyel, New Zealand. > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 09 Sep 2022 21:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <3D2905DD-9F5E-4628-98A9-A101CFF6D413@waterwisegardener.com> From: Nan Sterman via pbs Subject: Chipping Crinum. Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2022 20:44:46 -0700 How is chipping done? Sent from my eye eye phone. All typos are the captain’s fault. > On Sep 9, 2022, at 5:09 PM, Jan Jeddeloh via pbs wrote: > > Is Chipping Crinum a town in Midsommer or maybe next door to Brokenwood (love that show)? Sorry I couldn’t resist. > > Jan > >> On Sep 9, 2022, at 4:12 PM, Kyle Terry Boland via pbs wrote: >> >> Hi there, I have some variegated Crinum, and wanted to know if you can chip them, to increase stock faster. >> Cheers Kiyel, New Zealand. >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs >> Unsubscribe: >> PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sat, 10 Sep 2022 06:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Tim Eck via pbs Subject: Chipping Crinum. Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2022 08:36:51 -0400 Take a look at this forum page. https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/TwinScaling On Fri, Sep 9, 2022 at 11:44 PM Nan Sterman via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > How is chipping done? > > Sent from my eye eye phone. All typos are the captain’s fault. > > > On Sep 9, 2022, at 5:09 PM, Jan Jeddeloh via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > > > Is Chipping Crinum a town in Midsommer or maybe next door to Brokenwood > (love that show)? Sorry I couldn’t resist. > > > > Jan > > > >> On Sep 9, 2022, at 4:12 PM, Kyle Terry Boland via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > >> > >> Hi there, I have some variegated Crinum, and wanted to know if you can > chip them, to increase stock faster. > >> Cheers Kiyel, New Zealand. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> pbs mailing list > >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > >> Unsubscribe: > >> PBS Forum latest: > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > Unsubscribe: > > PBS Forum latest: > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest: > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sat, 10 Sep 2022 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Johannes-Ulrich Urban via pbs Subject: Chipping bulbs Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2022 23:00:07 +0200  Hello Nan, hello All, Here are two links which explain the process of chipping bulbs, the srgc one is the best, scroll down a little to get to the article. I put the same reply into the forum as well. https://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/types/bulbs/propagation https://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2019Oct251572001288IRG_118.pdf Happy propagating! Uli _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Mon, 12 Sep 2022 20:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <270BF703-2A02-48EC-9FAF-FC2718BCE8CD@gmail.com> From: Jan Jeddeloh via pbs Subject: Seed donations accepted now Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2022 20:15:02 -0700 The US seed exchange is now open for donations until October 1. I’m particularly encouraging you to send in seed of hardy bulbs. I want to have a seed exchange in September or October emphasizing hardy bulb seed so it can be planted in time for a winter chill. Please read ALL the instructions carefully and contact me at seedyjan1@gmail.com if you have any questions. The seed exchange welcomes all non-ephemeral geophyte seed, but not in unlimited quantities. I only need enough seed for a maximum of ten packets unless the seed is unusually desirable. For most seed a tablespoon is quite sufficient for ten packets. If your seed is huge (pea size or bigger), it would be appropriate to send a bit more. Wild collected seed, with geographic collection information, is very welcome. Wild collected see must collected in accordance with local laws and applicable regulations. Please label each bag with the precise name of the plant (scientific name if possible) and your own name so that all donations are clearly identified and can be referred to the donor. I can accept as few as five seeds. Some lucky person will love to have that single packet. Include your email with your order in case I have questions. If you are willing to prepack seed please let me know how many free seed envelopes to send you. Be sure to include your mailing address. If you wish to use your own envelopes they must be no wider than 2” otherwise they won’t fit in my seed trays. I buy our seed packets from NARGS https://www.nargs.org/glassine-envelopes . Prepacking the seed will greatly reduce my workload. Each envelope should have at least enough seed for a pot, generally at least 10 seeds. Rare seed can have less. If you’re unsure how many seeds to packet just send me the seed and I’ll pack it. If you think your seed will be especially desirable and you have extra seed you can send it in a separate envelop and I will pack it as needed. No ephemeral seed. This means no crinum, clivia and hymenocallis seed or any other moist seed likely to produce a radicle before it can be distributed. I have received germinating seed of all these genera. It’s difficult to protect the radicle in the seed distribution and mailing process. If you have ephemeral seed you can distribute it one of two ways. 1) Ask people to contact you directly for seed, mail it yourself and ask for postage reimbursement. 2) it yourself Grow it on for a year or so and then put the baby bulbs in the bulb exchange. Bulbs are much more durable than germinating seed. No one is required to prepackage seed. I realize not everyone has the time, finger dexterity or inclination to package seed. Jane and I have time to package seed. Please however make sure your seed is clean. Nobody likes dirty seed. If you wish to donate seed from outside the US please let me know. I have a Small Lots of Seed Permit I can send you for your donation. This form is required for all seed entering the US from foreign countries. As a donor you will get a rounded credit on seed equaling the postage you paid for your donation. For example a postage cost of $4.49 will be rounded to $4 and a postage cost of $4.50 will be rounded to $5. Please remember that you must be a fully paid member of the PBS to order from our seed and bulb exchanges. You do not have to be a donor to order, all US and non-EU members can order from the US seed exchange. EU members have a separate seed exchange due to the requirement for a phytosanitary certificate for entry into the EU. Send your seed to: Jan Jeddeloh 1315 NW 174th Pl. Beaverton, OR 97006 USA _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 14 Sep 2022 08:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: <87086c68-725d-ae31-0771-5d5fd67fd11a@mcn.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner via pbs Subject: Short lived/recalcitrant seed Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2022 07:17:47 -0700 I was disappointed to read that Jan has decided not to process seed that needs to be planted quickly. I have some Haemanthus seed that is ripe/ripening and expect other Amaryllid seed this fall. Since we now have two wonderful volunteers processing seed and bulbs I'm wondering if there could be a third person willing to take on this kind of seed.  It would be a great benefit for the membership. Mary Sue _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 14 Sep 2022 08:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: <702307160.3636976.1663166434701@mail.yahoo.com> From: Robert Lauf via pbs Subject: Short lived/recalcitrant seed Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2022 14:40:34 +0000 (UTC) You'll probably be deluged with private requests, which is OK.  I think many of us meet through PBS but quickly find those with common interests and start our own swapping, which is better than putting more work on the volunteers when we only have one or two of something to share. Bob  Zone 7 and enjoying the suddenly fall-like temps --------------------------------------------------- I was disappointed to read that Jan has decided not to process seed that needs to be planted quickly. I have some Haemanthus seed that is ripe/ripening and expect other Amaryllid seed this fall. Since we now have two wonderful volunteers processing seed and bulbs I'm wondering if there could be a third person willing to take on this kind of seed.  It would be a great benefit for the membership. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 14 Sep 2022 08:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: From: Kelly Irvin via pbs Subject: Short lived/recalcitrant seed Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:46:52 -0500 I've resorted to selling Lycoris seed just after harvesting them, using my website to publish a short-lived seasonal list. It's got to be very difficult to go through the various echelons of receipt and preparation necessary to provide members a reasonably viable seed. I use lightly moistened sphagnum to keep the seeds as turgid as possible. That ideal is messy and further burden. -- Mr. Kelly M. Irvin 10850 Hodge Ln Gravette, AR 72736 USA USDA Cold Hardiness Zone 6a/b On 9/14/22 9:17 AM, Mary Sue Ittner via pbs wrote: > I was disappointed to read that Jan has decided not to process seed > that needs to be planted quickly. I have some Haemanthus seed that > is ripe/ripening and expect other Amaryllid seed this fall. Since we > now have two wonderful volunteers processing seed and bulbs I'm > wondering if there could be a third person willing to take on this > kind of seed.  It would be a great benefit for the membership. > > Mary Sue > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum > latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 14 Sep 2022 08:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: From: Robert Parks via pbs Subject: Short lived/recalcitrant seed Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2022 07:55:10 -0700 Dealing with recalcitrant seed is a challenge, and as the season goes on, becomes regional, as the seed isn't frost hardy, so cannot be shipped throughout the USA. That said, I'd be willing to do it. After all, I do my own every year, both recalcitrant seed, and tender bulbs in winter. Out front, the Nerine filifolia is in glorious bloom, soon to be followed by a profusion of seeds with about a fortnight of dormancy. Robert in cool foggy San Francisco, still warmer than summer, but the winter bulbs are waking up [image: width=] Virus-free.www.avg.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 7:17 AM Mary Sue Ittner via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > I was disappointed to read that Jan has decided not to process seed that > needs to be planted quickly. I have some Haemanthus seed that is > ripe/ripening and expect other Amaryllid seed this fall. Since we now > have two wonderful volunteers processing seed and bulbs I'm wondering if > there could be a third person willing to take on this kind of seed. It > would be a great benefit for the membership. > > Mary Sue > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest: > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 14 Sep 2022 08:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: From: Shoal Creek Succulents via pbs Subject: Short lived/recalcitrant seed Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2022 10:02:28 -0500 I offered to do it too, privately. Heat packs can be offered at addtl charge should a member in a colder area want to participate. On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 9:55 AM Robert Parks via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > Dealing with recalcitrant seed is a challenge, and as the season goes on, > becomes regional, as the seed isn't frost hardy, so cannot be shipped > throughout the USA. > > That said, I'd be willing to do it. After all, I do my own every year, both > recalcitrant seed, and tender bulbs in winter. > > Out front, the Nerine filifolia is in glorious bloom, soon to be followed > by a profusion of seeds with about a fortnight of dormancy. > > Robert > in cool foggy San Francisco, still warmer than summer, but the winter bulbs > are waking up > > [image: width=] > < > http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > Virus-free.www.avg.com > < > http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 7:17 AM Mary Sue Ittner via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > > I was disappointed to read that Jan has decided not to process seed that > > needs to be planted quickly. I have some Haemanthus seed that is > > ripe/ripening and expect other Amaryllid seed this fall. Since we now > > have two wonderful volunteers processing seed and bulbs I'm wondering if > > there could be a third person willing to take on this kind of seed. It > > would be a great benefit for the membership. > > > > Mary Sue > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > Unsubscribe: > > PBS Forum latest: > > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest: > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 14 Sep 2022 11:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Robert Parks via pbs Subject: Short lived/recalcitrant seed Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2022 10:34:39 -0700 I would expect that seeds with brief viability would have some outliers that would germinate well past the expected Sow By date...but the recalcitrant seed from the amaryllids simply won't wait to germinate. Regardless of conditions...drops on the ground in the sunny Indian Summer? Germinates and dessicates. Put it in the fridge, dry? Germinates and dessicates. Sowed on/in any medium at most any temperature with moisture? I hope you wanted more of them, because the viability is near 100%! On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 10:21 AM Jane McGary via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > I wonder if all the seeds that people believe have brief viability are > actually so fussy. I've been growing plants from seed for 40 years, and > I often take a chance with such species even when the seed has been > stored and badly handled, for instance in a large seedex. It is > surprising how often a few seeds will germinate and grow on. It would > make evolutionary sense for a plant to produce seeds with a range of > viability periods. However, it's true that I don't grow the subtropical > amaryllids on which this discussion seems to center. > > Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA > > On 9/14/2022 8:02 AM, Shoal Creek Succulents via pbs wrote: > > I offered to do it too, privately. > > Heat packs can be offered at addtl charge should a member in a colder > area > > want to participate. > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 9:55 AM Robert Parks via pbs < > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > > >> Dealing with recalcitrant seed is a challenge, and as the season goes > on, > >> becomes regional, as the seed isn't frost hardy, so cannot be shipped > >> throughout the USA. > >> > >> That said, I'd be willing to do it. After all, I do my own every year, > both > >> recalcitrant seed, and tender bulbs in winter. > >> > >> Out front, the Nerine filifolia is in glorious bloom, soon to be > followed > >> by a profusion of seeds with about a fortnight of dormancy. > >> > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest: > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 14 Sep 2022 11:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <08b2ffbf-7471-7826-66d0-ba29f34e65a4@earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary via pbs Subject: Short lived/recalcitrant seed Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2022 10:37:29 -0700 I wonder if all the seeds that people believe have brief viability are actually so fussy. I've been growing plants from seed for 40 years, and I often take a chance with such species even when the seed has been stored and badly handled, for instance in a large seedex. It is surprising how often a few seeds will germinate and grow on. It would make evolutionary sense for a plant to produce seeds with a range of viability periods. However, it's true that I don't grow the subtropical amaryllids on which this discussion seems to center. Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA On 9/14/2022 8:02 AM, Shoal Creek Succulents via pbs wrote: > I offered to do it too, privately. > Heat packs can be offered at addtl charge should a member in a colder area > want to participate. > > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 9:55 AM Robert Parks via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > >> Dealing with recalcitrant seed is a challenge, and as the season goes on, >> becomes regional, as the seed isn't frost hardy, so cannot be shipped >> throughout the USA. >> >> That said, I'd be willing to do it. After all, I do my own every year, both >> recalcitrant seed, and tender bulbs in winter. >> >> Out front, the Nerine filifolia is in glorious bloom, soon to be followed >> by a profusion of seeds with about a fortnight of dormancy. >> _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 14 Sep 2022 11:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <77581978-6A19-464C-9DDC-129AE95B2A89@pacbell.net> From: Lee Poulsen via pbs Subject: Short lived/recalcitrant seed Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2022 11:14:51 -0700 I had the same reaction when I read Jan’s statement, although I completely understand Jan’s reasons. However, if I were to announce that I had some seeds available, I don’t have the time or materials to send them out to multiple different people. The thought occurred that if I didn’t just want to throw the seed away, I could instead ask if any of the people who wanted seed would be willing to receive all the seeds and divide and mail them out to the others who wanted them too. But I don’t know how well that would work, every time I had ephemeral seeds. I feel like I’ll just need to toss the seeds, but I’m sure there are people out there who would want them. For example, I have some, now older but still not sprouting nor desiccated, seeds from Crinum pedunculatum that my label says came from the southernmost known stand of them in Australia (which I think means possibly the most cold-hardy variety?), and there will soon be a bunch of Crinum variabile seeds ripe. Another consideration that is helpful is that many recalcitrant seeds in my experience, even after they sprout, can be planted upon reception anyway, and will do just fine. Some will even form a small bulb without ever being planted, if you wait long enough. --Lee Poulsen San Gabriel Valley, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34°N, Altitude 340 ft/100 m > On Sep 14, 2022, at 7:17 AM, Mary Sue Ittner via pbs wrote: > > I was disappointed to read that Jan has decided not to process seed that needs to be planted quickly. I have some Haemanthus seed that is ripe/ripening and expect other Amaryllid seed this fall. Since we now have two wonderful volunteers processing seed and bulbs I'm wondering if there could be a third person willing to take on this kind of seed. It would be a great benefit for the membership. > > Mary Sue > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 14 Sep 2022 12:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <64676162-F0BB-49DE-B6B7-7A5A7FEAB9CB@gmail.com> From: Jan Jeddeloh via pbs Subject: Short lived/recalcitrant seed Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2022 11:18:20 -0700 In running the seed exchange I am assuming that the dry amaryllid seed has reasonable viability and can last a few months until I run the next seed exchange. The issue with the big, honking moist seeds is that they often start germinating in transit and then I have a tender delicate radicle to deal with. Somehow I have to not destroy the radicle in packaging and mailing the seed and the post office has to cooperate in this endeavor. If growers mail directly to the people who want the seed it cuts out the time in transit and handling. I will also flatly state that I’m not willing to act as a "short order cook in dealing with the seed exchange". I’m already getting out fresher seed than you can get from the NARGS seed exchange. Even if I just have one or two species to deal there are still a lot of steps in sending out the seed. I have to enter seed in a spread sheet, package it so it stays moist so preferably in vermiculite or something similar, write the blurb, post it online, collect orders, deal with questions about orders, randomize orders. Then I need to fill the orders of the few lucky people, This involves setting up for Stamps.com . So first I fight physically with the mess of cords and then I get to fix with whatever glitches the software throws at me this time. Actually mailing out the seed is then pretty easy, lucky. Basically I’m not willing to go through this whole rigamarole several times a year for just a few seed. Ideally I’d just do a couple of seed exchanges a year. So this is why I’m not willing to take seeds of plants that are likely to start germinating in the process. Jan Jeddeloh > On Sep 14, 2022, at 10:34 AM, Robert Parks via pbs wrote: > > I would expect that seeds with brief viability would have some outliers > that would germinate well past the expected Sow By date...but the > recalcitrant seed from the amaryllids simply won't wait to germinate. > Regardless of conditions...drops on the ground in the sunny Indian Summer? > Germinates and dessicates. Put it in the fridge, dry? Germinates and > dessicates. Sowed on/in any medium at most any temperature with moisture? I > hope you wanted more of them, because the viability is near 100%! > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 10:21 AM Jane McGary via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > >> I wonder if all the seeds that people believe have brief viability are >> actually so fussy. I've been growing plants from seed for 40 years, and >> I often take a chance with such species even when the seed has been >> stored and badly handled, for instance in a large seedex. It is >> surprising how often a few seeds will germinate and grow on. It would >> make evolutionary sense for a plant to produce seeds with a range of >> viability periods. However, it's true that I don't grow the subtropical >> amaryllids on which this discussion seems to center. >> >> Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA >> >> On 9/14/2022 8:02 AM, Shoal Creek Succulents via pbs wrote: >>> I offered to do it too, privately. >>> Heat packs can be offered at addtl charge should a member in a colder >> area >>> want to participate. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 9:55 AM Robert Parks via pbs < >>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Dealing with recalcitrant seed is a challenge, and as the season goes >> on, >>>> becomes regional, as the seed isn't frost hardy, so cannot be shipped >>>> throughout the USA. >>>> >>>> That said, I'd be willing to do it. After all, I do my own every year, >> both >>>> recalcitrant seed, and tender bulbs in winter. >>>> >>>> Out front, the Nerine filifolia is in glorious bloom, soon to be >> followed >>>> by a profusion of seeds with about a fortnight of dormancy. >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs >> Unsubscribe: >> PBS Forum latest: >> https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent >> > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 14 Sep 2022 12:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Shoal Creek Succulents via pbs Subject: Short lived/recalcitrant seed Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2022 13:30:26 -0500 Jan writes: The issue with the big, honking moist seeds is that they often start germinating in transit and then I have a tender delicate radicle to deal with. Somehow I have to not destroy the radicle in packaging and mailing the seed and the post office has to cooperate in this endeavor. This type of item would be best sent in a small box, and shipping priced the same as bulb shipping. I've had seed crushed when shipped in padded mailers by USPS rollers/sort machines,. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 14 Sep 2022 12:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Robert Parks via pbs Subject: Short lived/recalcitrant seed Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2022 11:42:14 -0700 Jan, I'm not saying you are wrong, those are all perfectly good reasons to not handle recalcitrant seed. Lee, if it comes down to it, I could do this...better than discarding unusual seed. Robert [image: width=] Virus-free.www.avg.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 11:18 AM Jan Jeddeloh via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > In running the seed exchange I am assuming that the dry amaryllid seed has > reasonable viability and can last a few months until I run the next seed > exchange. The issue with the big, honking moist seeds is that they often > start germinating in transit and then I have a tender delicate radicle to > deal with. Somehow I have to not destroy the radicle in packaging and > mailing the seed and the post office has to cooperate in this endeavor. If > growers mail directly to the people who want the seed it cuts out the time > in transit and handling. > > I will also flatly state that I’m not willing to act as a "short order > cook in dealing with the seed exchange". I’m already getting out fresher > seed than you can get from the NARGS seed exchange. Even if I just have > one or two species to deal there are still a lot of steps in sending out > the seed. I have to enter seed in a spread sheet, package it so it stays > moist so preferably in vermiculite or something similar, write the blurb, > post it online, collect orders, deal with questions about orders, > randomize orders. Then I need to fill the orders of the few lucky people, > This involves setting up for Stamps.com . So first I > fight physically with the mess of cords and then I get to fix with > whatever glitches the software throws at me this time. Actually mailing > out the seed is then pretty easy, lucky. Basically I’m not willing to go > through this whole rigamarole several times a year for just a few seed. > Ideally I’d just do a couple of seed exchanges a year. > > So this is why I’m not willing to take seeds of plants that are likely to > start germinating in the process. > > Jan Jeddeloh > > > > > On Sep 14, 2022, at 10:34 AM, Robert Parks via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > > > I would expect that seeds with brief viability would have some outliers > > that would germinate well past the expected Sow By date...but the > > recalcitrant seed from the amaryllids simply won't wait to germinate. > > Regardless of conditions...drops on the ground in the sunny Indian > Summer? > > Germinates and dessicates. Put it in the fridge, dry? Germinates and > > dessicates. Sowed on/in any medium at most any temperature with > moisture? I > > hope you wanted more of them, because the viability is near 100%! > > > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 10:21 AM Jane McGary via pbs < > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > > >> I wonder if all the seeds that people believe have brief viability are > >> actually so fussy. I've been growing plants from seed for 40 years, and > >> I often take a chance with such species even when the seed has been > >> stored and badly handled, for instance in a large seedex. It is > >> surprising how often a few seeds will germinate and grow on. It would > >> make evolutionary sense for a plant to produce seeds with a range of > >> viability periods. However, it's true that I don't grow the subtropical > >> amaryllids on which this discussion seems to center. > >> > >> Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA > >> > >> On 9/14/2022 8:02 AM, Shoal Creek Succulents via pbs wrote: > >>> I offered to do it too, privately. > >>> Heat packs can be offered at addtl charge should a member in a colder > >> area > >>> want to participate. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 9:55 AM Robert Parks via pbs < > >>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Dealing with recalcitrant seed is a challenge, and as the season goes > >> on, > >>>> becomes regional, as the seed isn't frost hardy, so cannot be shipped > >>>> throughout the USA. > >>>> > >>>> That said, I'd be willing to do it. After all, I do my own every year, > >> both > >>>> recalcitrant seed, and tender bulbs in winter. > >>>> > >>>> Out front, the Nerine filifolia is in glorious bloom, soon to be > >> followed > >>>> by a profusion of seeds with about a fortnight of dormancy. > >>>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> pbs mailing list > >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > >> Unsubscribe: > >> PBS Forum latest: > >> https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > Unsubscribe: > > PBS Forum latest: > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest: > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 14 Sep 2022 12:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Robert Parks via pbs Subject: Short lived/recalcitrant seed Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2022 11:49:13 -0700 For sure! I've had non-hard seed squashed into seedy mustard...even bubble envelopes sometimes get flattened. I use foldboxes about the size of a double CD case. Robert On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 11:30 AM Shoal Creek Succulents via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > This type of item would be best sent in a small box, and shipping priced > the same as bulb shipping. > > I've had seed crushed when shipped in padded mailers by USPS rollers/sort > machines,. > [image: width=] Virus-free.www.avg.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 14 Sep 2022 20:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <005a01d8c8ab$18917ba0$49b472e0$@hansennursery.com> From: R Hansen via pbs Subject: Short lived/recalcitrant seed Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2022 19:30:15 -0700 As Lee notes, he has no time but is reluctant to throw out good seed. Given that Jan at the seed exchange is on a steady course for twice a year mailings, I'd say send her what you have and assume some will germinate. Very few of us want 20 or a 100 seedlings anyway. For the few that germinate instantly, those can be left to individual exchanges. The days of simple exchanges are no more. Back when Del was doing it, he was busy but not the way our exchange people are now. We've complicated their lives with spreadsheets and stamps.com and much increased orders so that it can take days to do one bulb or seed exchange. Oh, and don't forget all the bookkeeping Arnold does as a result. I myself ship bare-root plants from September to April. I have to enter orders, pull plants, depot them, pack them, box them, seal the boxes and drive 16 miles to UPS. For a wholesale order for one Portland nursery who wants 40 of this and 40 of that and a few of 10 other types, that can sometimes take up to two days with interruptions. So when Jan and Bridget are inundated by our very generous members this becomes far more time-consuming than a day or two. But, there's this - PBS is evolving, flexing with the needs of membership, improving our services to members and these changes take time but I stand back and look at even five years ago, and we're moving along. It just takes time and you cannot imagine how much I appreciate the patience of our members and the help they have provided and continue to provide as we move on. So, there's a solution - we just haven't worked all the way through yet. In the meantime, cleaning and storing seed properly goes a long way towards viability for the end recipient. As an example, I had seed of Mimulus lewisii from 2012, stored all this time in a fridge in paper packets in a sealed container. This is a native perennial and the seed is pretty much dust. It germinated this spring. Just one, mind you, but how many do I really need? It looks great and I'm being careful... So for those like Lee and others, send the seed to Jan - unless it's germinating - at the proper times as she requests, and let's see how it goes. Your feedback will be essential, since this is a bit of an experiment. Keep up the good work! Robin Hansen President, PBS _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 15 Sep 2022 08:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <0686aa6c-9e2b-2097-be1e-2183c9ab9e8d@mcn.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner via pbs Subject: Short lived/recalcitrant seed Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2022 07:25:17 -0700 There are two people who are willing to help with seed that we can't send to Jan. Some of us don't have time to distribute it ourselves and hate to toss it, especially if it is seed that is not easily obtainable and there might be people who want it. Maybe we could try it as an experiment. If it is too complicated for PBS, perhaps it could just be offered to the list. That would eliminate the spread sheet and having to involve Arnold. Lisa and Robert could ask for a postage and handling charge if they wished. In the last several years when I've given away my seed a number of people on their own sent me a thank you note with money for postage even though I didn't ask for it. So people may be willing to reimburse them for the expense. I'll communicate with Lisa and Robert privately about my seed. Some  Haemanthus seed is ready now and other seed will be in a few days as it is starting to turn orange, but I expect I'll have Nerine and Scadoxus seed when it might be too cold to send to Lisa. If it turns out to work, maybe PBS could consider sponsoring it in the future. And if it doesn't work, we will have at least tried to find a solution. Mary Sue _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 15 Sep 2022 09:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <001401d8c919$e09f6ee0$a1de4ca0$@hansennursery.com> From: R Hansen via pbs Subject: Short lived/recalcitrant seed Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2022 08:43:17 -0700 Mary Sue's suggestion to regard ephemeral seed exchanges as an experiment with possible elevation to a formal PBS exchange makes sense to me. Robin Hansen _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 15 Sep 2022 14:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <21291F08-94EB-4019-97AF-1AB505D30C17@gmail.com> From: Diane Whitehead via pbs Subject: Short lived/recalcitrant seed Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2022 13:28:07 -0700 There was an Ephemeral Seed Exchange a long while ago. I hope I’m remembering the details correctly. I would post a list of seeds and my address. Anyone wanting seeds would send me a stamped, addressed envelope and I would then mail the seeds. I do remember getting some U.S. dollar bills so I could request seeds from the U.S. > > > Mary Sue's suggestion to regard ephemeral seed exchanges as an experiment with possible elevation to a formal PBS exchange makes sense to me. > > Robin Hansen > > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 15 Sep 2022 14:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <1481676302.4416230.1663274805367@mail.yahoo.com> From: Robert Lauf via pbs Subject: Short lived/recalcitrant seed Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2022 20:46:45 +0000 (UTC) That's a great solution and I like the way it shifts at least some of the work to those who want stuff instead of making one volunteer do everything.  Sort of separates the wheat from the chaff, if you get my meaning. Bob    Zone 7 On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 04:28:17 PM EDT, Diane Whitehead via pbs wrote: There was an Ephemeral Seed Exchange a long while ago.  I hope I’m remembering the details correctly.  I would post a list of seeds and my address. Anyone wanting seeds would send me a stamped, addressed envelope and I would then mail the seeds.  I do remember getting some U.S. dollar bills so I could request seeds from the U.S. > > > Mary Sue's suggestion to regard ephemeral seed exchanges as an experiment with possible elevation to a formal PBS exchange makes sense to me. > > Robin Hansen > > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 15 Sep 2022 14:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <25C27027-B27B-4C0C-BC22-E827E2BF7D34@islandnet.com> From: Diane via pbs Subject: Short lived/recalcitrant seed Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2022 14:16:16 -0700 This was long before the U.S. instituted a lot of rules for receiving seeds. Now it would work well from a U.S. donor to U.S. or Canadian recipients. It would also work well within Canada. Extra work for Americans to receive seeds from outside the U.S. However, the people wanting the seeds would be doing the extra work. Diane > On Sep 15, 2022, at 1:46 PM, Robert Lauf via pbs wrote: > > That's a great solution and I like the way it shifts at least some of the work to those who want stuff instead of making one volunteer do everything. Sort of separates the wheat from the chaff, if you get my meaning. > Bob Zone 7 > On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 04:28:17 PM EDT, Diane Whitehead via pbs wrote: > > There was an Ephemeral Seed Exchange a long while ago. I hope I’m remembering the details correctly. I would post a list of seeds and my address. Anyone wanting seeds would send me a stamped, addressed envelope and I would then mail the seeds. > > I do remember getting some U.S. dollar bills so I could request seeds from the U.S. > >> >> >> Mary Sue's suggestion to regard ephemeral seed exchanges as an experiment with possible elevation to a formal PBS exchange makes sense to me. >> >> Robin Hansen >> >> _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 15 Sep 2022 15:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Mark Mazer via pbs Subject: Short lived/recalcitrant seed Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2022 17:23:28 -0400 Dr. Jim-Jim... "There was an Ephemeral Seed Exchange a long while ago" https://mailman.science.uu.nl/pipermail/trillium-l/2022-July/024702.html Best, m. On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 4:46 PM Robert Lauf via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > That's a great solution and I like the way it shifts at least some of the > work to those who want stuff instead of making one volunteer do > everything. Sort of separates the wheat from the chaff, if you get my > meaning. > Bob Zone 7 > On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 04:28:17 PM EDT, Diane Whitehead > via pbs wrote: > > There was an Ephemeral Seed Exchange a long while ago. I hope I’m > remembering the details correctly. I would post a list of seeds and my > address. Anyone wanting seeds would send me a stamped, addressed envelope > and I would then mail the seeds. > > I do remember getting some U.S. dollar bills so I could request seeds from > the U.S. > > > > > > > Mary Sue's suggestion to regard ephemeral seed exchanges as an > experiment with possible elevation to a formal PBS exchange makes sense to > me. > > > > Robin Hansen > > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest: > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest: > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 15 Sep 2022 19:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1349E0E4-6B93-4137-81E2-C75F896D1FE6@gmail.com> From: Jan Jeddeloh via pbs Subject: Habranthus seed? Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2022 18:30:54 -0700 I could have sworn someone contacted me offering seed of a larger flowered, darker habranthus tubispathus for the seed exchange. Before I could respond the email evaporated into thin air or should I say thin ethernet. So to the person who contacted me, assuming I didn’t just imagine this, yes I would like some seed. I’d say enough for five to ten packets. Be sure to include your email and a description of why this form is superior to the bog standard habranthus. Jan _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 16 Sep 2022 02:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <59566701-D144-4551-BADA-57DB1FF12D79@t-online.de> From: Johannes-Ulrich Urban via pbs Subject: Recalcitrant seed Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2022 10:56:44 +0200 Dear All, Reading the thread of perishable recalcitrant seed, I want to make one suggestion: A solution could be if those members who have the space, the right climate and the willingness to do so would sow the fresh seed at the right moment (before it germinates and becomes vulnerable) and grow the seedlings on for one or maybe two seasons. And then send the seedling bulbs to the BX. Small bulbs are much tougher than perishable seed. I have accepted this kind of seed and am doing that for the EU-BX right now. For me it does not matter to have yet another pot in the garden to look after. In my Mediterranean climate all seed pots do not need greenhouse space. Being a European member I cannot comment on the other suggestions but I want to thank Robert and the Shoal Creek folks for offering their help. I am posting this in the forum as well. Bye for now Uli _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 16 Sep 2022 03:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Shoal Creek Succulents via pbs Subject: Ephemeral/Recalcitrant Seed Sharing Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2022 05:14:35 -0500 Donations: If you have excess recalcitrant seeds, please me at scsnursery1@gmail.com. It would be ideal to have a few selections in time with the Haemanthus seed that will be available soon. Best regards, Lisa _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 16 Sep 2022 11:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <3E2195FB-08BD-4CA2-B5C8-E4A4BF9884F2@gmail.com> From: Jan Jeddeloh via pbs Subject: Recalcitrant seed Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2022 11:05:49 -0700 I think Uli is right. Just as I was starting up someone sent me seed of Hymenocallis leavenworthii. I planted it even though I don’t want the plant (I prefer mostly hardy bulbs) and it’s now growing in my greenhouse. The seeds sent out radicles fairly quickly but top growth was a long time coming. When these go dormant they’re going to the BX. One or two seed pots to support the BX really doesn’t take up much room. Jan > On Sep 16, 2022, at 1:56 AM, Johannes-Ulrich Urban via pbs wrote: > > Dear All, > > Reading the thread of perishable recalcitrant seed, I want to make one suggestion: > > A solution could be if those members who have the space, the right climate and the willingness to do so would sow the fresh seed at the right moment (before it germinates and becomes vulnerable) and grow the seedlings on for one or maybe two seasons. And then send the seedling bulbs to the BX. Small bulbs are much tougher than perishable seed. I have accepted this kind of seed and am doing that for the EU-BX right now. For me it does not matter to have yet another pot in the garden to look after. In my Mediterranean climate all seed pots do not need greenhouse space. > Being a European member I cannot comment on the other suggestions but I want to thank Robert and the Shoal Creek folks for offering their help. > I am posting this in the forum as well. > > Bye for now > > Uli > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Mon, 19 Sep 2022 17:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <149C081A-3556-43DA-A2A5-0FA645D01CC2@gmail.com> From: Jan Jeddeloh via pbs Subject: It's grab bag time again Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2022 16:36:57 -0700 Hi all, It’s grab bag time again. I only have one but I’ve listed the contents below. The number after each species is the number of packets available. You’ll notice there are almost no amaryllidacea in the bag. I was contacted by a Phd student who is trying to tissue culture amaryllidacea to use the alkaloids in medical research so I sent him most of what I had. Medical scientific research is a good thing and PBS members had already had a good crack at the seed. If you donated seed of a species that has a lot of leftovers this is a clue that you may want to send in fewer seeds next time. Sometimes the market just gets saturated if the seed has been offered regularly for a time. This doesn’t mean to not send any of this seed in, just consider the amount. We’re always getting new members and they may be looking for this very seed. Babiana rubrocyanea 2 Bomarea multiflora 3 Chasmanthe bicolor 1 Cyrtanthus mackenii 1 (this is not the pink one) Dracunculus canariensis 4 Drimiopsis pusilla 7 Ferraria sp. 1 Hypoxis nitida 6 Lachenalia nervosa 4 Ornithogalum hispidulum? ID uncertain 7 Sinningia bullata ‘Florianopolis’ 2 Sinningia conspicua 5 Sinningia larae 5 Sinningia leucotricha 1 Sinningia macropoda 3 Sinningia micans 2 Trachyandra ciliata 3 Velthemia bracteate 1 Zephyranthes ’Sunset Strain’ 1 Now for the rules. You must be a paid up PBS member (I check) . If you are interested send me your name and mailing address as it should appear on the envelope. Do not reply to the list. I will randomize the orders and pull one. You will get a two word “Got it” acknowledgement of your request. The cost is $15 plus $4 shipping, or shipping at cost for Canadians. Deadline for orders is 5pm PDT, Wednesday September 21st. Jan _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 21 Sep 2022 07:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Tim Eck via pbs Subject: tags Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2022 09:59:04 -0400 I recall much discussion on tags and markers, but the specifics fade so I don't recall whether this answer was given before. On another list a person made the best suggestion for tags I have heard - vinyl siding. Obviously you don't want to use the textured ones but vinyl siding has a 20 year warranty and is usually sold in light shades. Also, an office paper cutter should cut single thicknesses but I haven't verified it yet. Tim _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 21 Sep 2022 08:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <384908291.901409.1663770589776@mail.yahoo.com> From: Robert Lauf via pbs Subject: tags Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2022 14:29:49 +0000 (UTC) If it's too much for a paper cutter or you fear it will put too much wear on the blade, sheet metal cutters aka aviation snips would work well. I just looked at a spare piece of siding and mine has texture on both sides.  But you can buy rolls of flat vinyl material,  (I believe Home Depot calls it "trim coil") and that would be easy to snip into pieces.  I used it around the base of my greenhouse to cover the 2X8s on top of the foundation blocks and it is still perfectly flexible after about 10-15 years. Bob   Zone 7 On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 09:59:26 AM EDT, Tim Eck via pbs wrote: I recall much discussion on tags and markers, but the specifics fade so I don't recall whether this answer was given before. On another list a person made the best suggestion for tags I have heard - vinyl siding.  Obviously you don't want to use the textured ones but vinyl siding has a 20 year warranty and is usually sold in light shades.  Also, an office paper cutter should cut single thicknesses but I haven't verified it yet. Tim _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 21 Sep 2022 08:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Diane via pbs Subject: tags Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2022 14:48:21 +0000 (UTC) One U.S. garden I visited had smooth rocks for labels. The names were done with a paint marker, which contains oil-based paint. Diane Whitehead Victoria B.C. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 21 Sep 2022 08:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Judy Glattstein via pbs Subject: tags Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2022 10:58:28 -0400 One garden I visited a very long time ago had large headed roofing nails shoved in the ground with a letter & number code stuck on. It was created with a metal tape embossing tool (instead of the usual plastic tape.) The garden's owner followed our group around with a notebook wherein the code was "translated" to the plant name. Very inconspicuous but perhaps a tad OCD. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 21 Sep 2022 08:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Shoal Creek Succulents via pbs Subject: tags Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2022 10:07:53 -0500 I wonder about the longevity of P-Touch labels. How long do they last before fading? Peeling the label backing takes a long time if there's a lot to label. I also have a Thermal transfer printer, which uses wax to transfer text on the label. I suspect the text should last a long time, but the problem has been finding a UV rated label. I bought some 4" x 1" labels for the printer and they didn't make it through this season (just in the greenhouse where the sun is somewhat muted). Vinyl is a good idea! https://flori-culture.com/products/plant-labels-premium-vinyl?variant=12566849224759 Best regards, Lisa On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 8:59 AM Tim Eck via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > I recall much discussion on tags and markers, but the specifics fade so I > don't recall whether this answer was given before. > On another list a person made the best suggestion for tags I have heard - > vinyl siding. Obviously you don't want to use the textured ones but vinyl > siding has a 20 year warranty and is usually sold in light shades. Also, > an office paper cutter should cut single thicknesses but I haven't verified > it yet. > Tim > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest: > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 21 Sep 2022 09:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <0bef577a3dc24a2dbfd24f1e2445d1ea@S1P7MBX2C.EXCHPROD.USA.NET> From: Fred Biasella via pbs Subject: tags Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2022 15:30:14 +0000 I swear by my P-Touch label maker and I still have legible labels from 2004. -----Original Message----- From: pbs On Behalf Of Shoal Creek Succulents via pbs Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2022 11:08 AM To: Pacific Bulb Society Cc: Shoal Creek Succulents Subject: Re: [pbs] tags I wonder about the longevity of P-Touch labels. How long do they last before fading? Peeling the label backing takes a long time if there's a lot to label. I also have a Thermal transfer printer, which uses wax to transfer text on the label. I suspect the text should last a long time, but the problem has been finding a UV rated label. I bought some 4" x 1" labels for the printer and they didn't make it through this season (just in the greenhouse where the sun is somewhat muted). Vinyl is a good idea! https://flori-culture.com/products/plant-labels-premium-vinyl?variant=12566849224759 Best regards, Lisa On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 8:59 AM Tim Eck via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > I recall much discussion on tags and markers, but the specifics fade > so I don't recall whether this answer was given before. > On another list a person made the best suggestion for tags I have > heard - vinyl siding. Obviously you don't want to use the textured > ones but vinyl siding has a 20 year warranty and is usually sold in > light shades. Also, an office paper cutter should cut single > thicknesses but I haven't verified it yet. > Tim > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > https://clicktime.cloud.postoffice.net/clicktime.php?U=http%3A%2F%2Fli > sts.pacificbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&E=fbia > sella%40watertownsavings.com&X=XID762AiuPiL5522Xd3&T=WTSB&HV=U,E,X,T&H > =d7928bbfb9cdb0b529077a4aa0f20f3433a82794 > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest: > https://clicktime.cloud.postoffice.net/clicktime.php?U=https%3A%2F%2Fw > ww.pacificbulbsociety.org%2Fpbsforum%2Findex.php%3Faction%3Drecent&E=f > biasella%40watertownsavings.com&X=XID762AiuPiL5522Xd3&T=WTSB&HV=U,E,X, > T&H=32c7deb7a0224eeec8e960c8cfd56fbbea1dd8c2 > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 21 Sep 2022 09:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Nicholas Plummer via pbs Subject: tags Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2022 11:37:41 -0400 I have P-Touch labels in full-sun outdoors that are about 5 or 6 years old and still look practically new. The label is attached to a stainless steel tag. White text on black label looks fantastic. For longevity and low cost, nothing beats pencil on labels cut from vinyl mini-blinds. 20+ years and still clearly legible and flexible. Nick Durham, North Carolina, Zone 7 https://sweetgumandpines.wordpress.com/ On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 11:08 AM Shoal Creek Succulents via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > I wonder about the longevity of P-Touch labels. How long do they last > before fading? Peeling the label backing takes a long time if there's a > lot to label. > > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 21 Sep 2022 09:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <28ef5dda-1ecd-80b7-786e-b27522305da0@davidpilling.com> From: David Pilling via pbs Subject: tags Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2022 16:57:29 +0100 Hi, The subject of labeling plants has come up before: https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbslist?q=plant+labels When I was a child, train spotting, there were machines on railway station platforms, insert a coin and they would let you produce a strip of light metal embossed with a limited number of letters. -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 21 Sep 2022 10:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Tim Eck via pbs Subject: tags Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2022 12:18:26 -0400 My experience in tags that resembled these is they were way too flimsy. But regarding a print label, I found that Avery 15667 lasted ten years without fading or deteriorating but you need a laser printer. I bought a new B&W laser printer for about a hundred bucks about 5 years ago and I haven't had to install the extra toner cassette I bought yet. Sure beats clogged inkjet cartridges all the time. On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 11:08 AM Shoal Creek Succulents via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > I wonder about the longevity of P-Touch labels. How long do they last > before fading? Peeling the label backing takes a long time if there's a > lot to label. > > I also have a Thermal transfer printer, which uses wax to transfer text on > the label. I suspect the text should last a long time, but the problem has > been finding a UV rated label. > I bought some 4" x 1" labels for the printer and they didn't make it > through this season (just in the greenhouse where the sun is somewhat > muted). > Vinyl is a good idea! > > > https://flori-culture.com/products/plant-labels-premium-vinyl?variant=12566849224759 > > Best regards, Lisa > > On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 8:59 AM Tim Eck via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > > I recall much discussion on tags and markers, but the specifics fade so I > > don't recall whether this answer was given before. > > On another list a person made the best suggestion for tags I have heard - > > vinyl siding. Obviously you don't want to use the textured ones but > vinyl > > siding has a 20 year warranty and is usually sold in light shades. Also, > > an office paper cutter should cut single thicknesses but I haven't > verified > > it yet. > > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > Unsubscribe: > > PBS Forum latest: > > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest: > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 21 Sep 2022 10:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Shoal Creek Succulents via pbs Subject: tags Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2022 11:39:32 -0500 Thanks for all of the info shared on this topic. I was using the Avery 5167, the same size return address label, but on 4" pot stakes, the white paper was getting moldy from moisture. In the past, I used 5" pot stakes and those labels are still in excellent condition. The Avery 15667 is a clear label, so I am going to try that. 😁 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 21 Sep 2022 11:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Chad Schroter via pbs Subject: tags Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2022 17:20:20 +0000 Avery has model 5510 Laser printable white weatherproof labels in 1"x2 5/8" (30 per sheet) which have worked well for me over 10+ years [Chad Schroter] _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 21 Sep 2022 16:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <16D75A8C-4C5C-4EE4-A4A5-4FF79AA42760@charter.net> From: Matt Mattus via pbs Subject: tags Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2022 18:38:10 -0400 As many of you know, as a graphic designer as well, I prefer white type on black when it comes to my labels. I have been using my P-Touch with 1/2 black waterproof tape and white type since 2001 and even the original labels are still as good as new. The problem for me was finding black plastic labels that were not brittle. I had been using ones from the UK - ordered direct from 'the essentials company' (just Google them), and look at their black labels. I use both their thick black labels and their scratch on labels, which are best as they are thin, flexible and never snap off. Plus they have square corner so I can fold the excess tape over the edge creating a tidy look. I've found that with a collection of similar plants, the effect in the greenhouse is nice to look at with an entire collection of cacti or South African Bulbs with black labels and white type/ besides, when I was exhibiting at horticultural societies, they used to require all plants to be labeled with white ink on black cards (I think this implanted in me!). Clearly this method isn’t practical for those with big collections or for commercial growers, but for smaller collections, I highly recommend it (I also happen to find white labels highly unattractive). I will add that the Essentials company offers the thicker 4" labels in many colors, and for other collections and for seeds, I buy the tan colored ones, which look like kraft paper or wood, and I can use pencil on them. I just ordered some very inexpensive black labels from a source on Amazon, there are now many featured on there, which I will try soon as the Essential Company labels aren’t cheap. When I do order them, I order 1000 at a time to reduce the cost, but I think there are other sources now (via Amazon and elsewhere) that offer black labels that are thin and flexible), made with recycled pots and plastics. The Brother P-Touch 1/2 waterproof tape with white (not clear) lettering is hard to find (staples rarely offers it in-store) but it's often available on their site, or certainly on Amazon. Matt Mattus Worcester, MA Zone 6a On 9/21/22, 11:31 AM, "pbs on behalf of Fred Biasella via pbs" wrote: I swear by my P-Touch label maker and I still have legible labels from 2004. -----Original Message----- From: pbs On Behalf Of Shoal Creek Succulents via pbs Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2022 11:08 AM To: Pacific Bulb Society Cc: Shoal Creek Succulents Subject: Re: [pbs] tags I wonder about the longevity of P-Touch labels. How long do they last before fading? Peeling the label backing takes a long time if there's a lot to label. I also have a Thermal transfer printer, which uses wax to transfer text on the label. I suspect the text should last a long time, but the problem has been finding a UV rated label. I bought some 4" x 1" labels for the printer and they didn't make it through this season (just in the greenhouse where the sun is somewhat muted). Vinyl is a good idea! https://flori-culture.com/products/plant-labels-premium-vinyl?variant=12566849224759 Best regards, Lisa On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 8:59 AM Tim Eck via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > I recall much discussion on tags and markers, but the specifics fade > so I don't recall whether this answer was given before. > On another list a person made the best suggestion for tags I have > heard - vinyl siding. Obviously you don't want to use the textured > ones but vinyl siding has a 20 year warranty and is usually sold in > light shades. Also, an office paper cutter should cut single > thicknesses but I haven't verified it yet. > Tim > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > https://clicktime.cloud.postoffice.net/clicktime.php?U=http%3A%2F%2Fli > sts.pacificbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&E=fbia > sella%40watertownsavings.com&X=XID762AiuPiL5522Xd3&T=WTSB&HV=U,E,X,T&H > =d7928bbfb9cdb0b529077a4aa0f20f3433a82794 > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest: > https://clicktime.cloud.postoffice.net/clicktime.php?U=https%3A%2F%2Fw > ww.pacificbulbsociety.org%2Fpbsforum%2Findex.php%3Faction%3Drecent&E=f > biasella%40watertownsavings.com&X=XID762AiuPiL5522Xd3&T=WTSB&HV=U,E,X, > T&H=32c7deb7a0224eeec8e960c8cfd56fbbea1dd8c2 > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 23 Sep 2022 15:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: stephen willson via pbs Subject: Seed donations accepted now Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2022 22:12:34 +0000 Hi Jan - this is just an FYI to say that my seed donations for the upcoming SX were dropped off at the post office today. I've sent 200 seeds each of Iris setosa, Lilium kelloggii, maritimum and apertum. The lily seeds have all been candled. Hopefully someone will be interested in these. Best regards, Steve Bow, WA ________________________________ From: pbs on behalf of Jan Jeddeloh via pbs Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 8:15 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Cc: Jan Jeddeloh Subject: [pbs] Seed donations accepted now The US seed exchange is now open for donations until October 1. I’m particularly encouraging you to send in seed of hardy bulbs. I want to have a seed exchange in September or October emphasizing hardy bulb seed so it can be planted in time for a winter chill. Please read ALL the instructions carefully and contact me at seedyjan1@gmail.com if you have any questions. The seed exchange welcomes all non-ephemeral geophyte seed, but not in unlimited quantities. I only need enough seed for a maximum of ten packets unless the seed is unusually desirable. For most seed a tablespoon is quite sufficient for ten packets. If your seed is huge (pea size or bigger), it would be appropriate to send a bit more. Wild collected seed, with geographic collection information, is very welcome. Wild collected see must collected in accordance with local laws and applicable regulations. Please label each bag with the precise name of the plant (scientific name if possible) and your own name so that all donations are clearly identified and can be referred to the donor. I can accept as few as five seeds. Some lucky person will love to have that single packet. Include your email with your order in case I have questions. If you are willing to prepack seed please let me know how many free seed envelopes to send you. Be sure to include your mailing address. If you wish to use your own envelopes they must be no wider than 2” otherwise they won’t fit in my seed trays. I buy our seed packets from NARGS https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nargs.org%2Fglassine-envelopes&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cf187aa5555d845ca000e08da95362cf8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637986357166241703%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=a9M%2FfO%2F2mXaj99fx0OxZZUkva8oC5PfjrVbLRCLx%2FPQ%3D&reserved=0 . Prepacking the seed will greatly reduce my workload. Each envelope should have at least enough seed for a pot, generally at least 10 seeds. Rare seed can have less. If you’re unsure how many seeds to packet just send me the seed and I’ll pack it. If you think your seed will be especially desirable and you have extra seed you can send it in a separate envelop and I will pack it as needed. No ephemeral seed. This means no crinum, clivia and hymenocallis seed or any other moist seed likely to produce a radicle before it can be distributed. I have received germinating seed of all these genera. It’s difficult to protect the radicle in the seed distribution and mailing process. If you have ephemeral seed you can distribute it one of two ways. 1) Ask people to contact you directly for seed, mail it yourself and ask for postage reimbursement. 2) it yourself Grow it on for a year or so and then put the baby bulbs in the bulb exchange. Bulbs are much more durable than germinating seed. No one is required to prepackage seed. I realize not everyone has the time, finger dexterity or inclination to package seed. Jane and I have time to package seed. Please however make sure your seed is clean. Nobody likes dirty seed. If you wish to donate seed from outside the US please let me know. I have a Small Lots of Seed Permit I can send you for your donation. This form is required for all seed entering the US from foreign countries. As a donor you will get a rounded credit on seed equaling the postage you paid for your donation. For example a postage cost of $4.49 will be rounded to $4 and a postage cost of $4.50 will be rounded to $5. Please remember that you must be a fully paid member of the PBS to order from our seed and bulb exchanges. You do not have to be a donor to order, all US and non-EU members can order from the US seed exchange. EU members have a separate seed exchange due to the requirement for a phytosanitary certificate for entry into the EU. Send your seed to: Jan Jeddeloh 1315 NW 174th Pl. Beaverton, OR 97006 USA _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.pacificbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cf187aa5555d845ca000e08da95362cf8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637986357166241703%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=2BTBYt07a%2BWskYVnLF%2F%2F4XdfC4hi4HKivedBkO3SWrM%3D&reserved=0 Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pacificbulbsociety.org%2Fpbsforum%2Findex.php%3Faction%3Drecent&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cf187aa5555d845ca000e08da95362cf8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637986357166397942%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=DYulcwPos0SNWokyA2JWJPHksF8fe%2BO4H42XlRIIOgM%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 23 Sep 2022 16:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <3DBA47BC-FD7E-4A82-99DD-647A5C651498@roadrunner.com> From: Eric via pbs Subject: Seed donations accepted now Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2022 18:57:31 -0400 Hi Steve I definitely will be interested in the lily seed. Thanks for donating. Eric Hamburg NY Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 23, 2022, at 6:12 PM, stephen willson via pbs wrote: > > Hi Jan - this is just an FYI to say that my seed donations for the upcoming SX were dropped off at the post office today. I've sent 200 seeds each of Iris setosa, Lilium kelloggii, maritimum and apertum. The lily seeds have all been candled. Hopefully someone will be interested in these. > > Best regards, > > Steve > Bow, WA > ________________________________ > From: pbs on behalf of Jan Jeddeloh via pbs > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 8:15 PM > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Cc: Jan Jeddeloh > Subject: [pbs] Seed donations accepted now > > The US seed exchange is now open for donations until October 1. I’m particularly encouraging you to send in seed of hardy bulbs. I want to have a seed exchange in September or October emphasizing hardy bulb seed so it can be planted in time for a winter chill. Please read ALL the instructions carefully and contact me at seedyjan1@gmail.com if you have any questions. > > > > The seed exchange welcomes all non-ephemeral geophyte seed, but not in unlimited quantities. I only need enough seed for a maximum of ten packets unless the seed is unusually desirable. For most seed a tablespoon is quite sufficient for ten packets. If your seed is huge (pea size or bigger), it would be appropriate to send a bit more. > > > > Wild collected seed, with geographic collection information, is very welcome. Wild collected see must collected in accordance with local laws and applicable regulations. > > > > Please label each bag with the precise name of the plant (scientific name if possible) and your own name so that all donations are clearly identified and can be referred to the donor. I can accept as few as five seeds. Some lucky person will love to have that single packet. Include your email with your order in case I have questions. > > > If you are willing to prepack seed please let me know how many free seed envelopes to send you. Be sure to include your mailing address. If you wish to use your own envelopes they must be no wider than 2” otherwise they won’t fit in my seed trays. I buy our seed packets from NARGS https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nargs.org%2Fglassine-envelopes&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cf187aa5555d845ca000e08da95362cf8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637986357166241703%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=a9M%2FfO%2F2mXaj99fx0OxZZUkva8oC5PfjrVbLRCLx%2FPQ%3D&reserved=0 . Prepacking the seed will greatly reduce my workload. Each envelope should have at least enough seed for a pot, generally at least 10 seeds. Rare seed can have less. If you’re unsure how many seeds to packet just send me the seed and I’ll pack it. If you think your seed will be especially desirable and you have extra seed you can send it in a separate envelop and I will pack it as needed. > > > > No ephemeral seed. This means no crinum, clivia and hymenocallis seed or any other moist seed likely to produce a radicle before it can be distributed. I have received germinating seed of all these genera. It’s difficult to protect the radicle in the seed distribution and mailing process. If you have ephemeral seed you can distribute it one of two ways. 1) Ask people to contact you directly for seed, mail it yourself and ask for postage reimbursement. 2) it yourself Grow it on for a year or so and then put the baby bulbs in the bulb exchange. Bulbs are much more durable than germinating seed. > > > > No one is required to prepackage seed. I realize not everyone has the time, finger dexterity or inclination to package seed. Jane and I have time to package seed. Please however make sure your seed is clean. Nobody likes dirty seed. > > > > If you wish to donate seed from outside the US please let me know. I have a Small Lots of Seed Permit I can send you for your donation. This form is required for all seed entering the US from foreign countries. > > > As a donor you will get a rounded credit on seed equaling the postage you paid for your donation. For example a postage cost of $4.49 will be rounded to $4 and a postage cost of $4.50 will be rounded to $5. > > > Please remember that you must be a fully paid member of the PBS to order from our seed and bulb exchanges. You do not have to be a donor to order, all US and non-EU members can order from the US seed exchange. EU members have a separate seed exchange due to the requirement for a phytosanitary certificate for entry into the EU. > > Send your seed to: > > Jan Jeddeloh > > 1315 NW 174th Pl. > > Beaverton, OR 97006 > > USA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.pacificbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cf187aa5555d845ca000e08da95362cf8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637986357166241703%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=2BTBYt07a%2BWskYVnLF%2F%2F4XdfC4hi4HKivedBkO3SWrM%3D&reserved=0 > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest:https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pacificbulbsociety.org%2Fpbsforum%2Findex.php%3Faction%3Drecent&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cf187aa5555d845ca000e08da95362cf8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637986357166397942%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=DYulcwPos0SNWokyA2JWJPHksF8fe%2BO4H42XlRIIOgM%3D&reserved=0 > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sat, 24 Sep 2022 17:17:11 -0700 Message-Id: <91D7F91D-BA59-45EE-9F08-86E012EC3177@gmail.com> From: Jan Jeddeloh via pbs Subject: Seed Exchange 481 grab bag winner Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2022 17:14:23 -0700 I just pulled the name of the lucky winner of the grab bag. Michael Beauchamp I’ll get your seed out to you on Monday. Happy growing, Jan _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Mon, 26 Sep 2022 20:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Bridget Wosczyna via pbs Subject: BX 486 now open for orders Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2022 22:48:39 -0400 BX 486 is now open for orders! I will leave the ordering window open through the end of this week and will close on Friday, September 30, 2022 at 11:00 p.m. PST. The closure will be announced on the list and forum. This will be a lottery so everyone has an equal opportunity to get the most desired items. Only current, up-to-date members may order from this exchange. If you are unsure about your membership status kindly contact Jane McGary at janemcgary@earthlink.net. Likewise, you will need to be up-to-date on any money owed for previous orders. You can check with Arnold Trachtenburg at arnold140@verizon.net if you are unsure if you are current on orders made. You are not required to be a donor to make an order, but please do consider donating if you have extras of your bulbs. It’s fine if you only have a few to spare! Please review and take note of the following as it will streamline the distribution process: PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS LIST WHEN ORDERING. You will need to send me an email separately at bulbexpbs@gmail.com. Please be sure provide me with your full name and shipping address. I will make a brief acknowledgement of receipt of your email. Additionally, when you make your order, it would be most helpful if you list the item number and bulb name. It makes it much easier for me to match up orders. Bulbs are $3 per portion. Very big or very rare bulbs may be more expensive. Postage is added to your order at cost. If you are allotted an order, you will receive a box with a small slip of paper with your total due. Donors, your postage credit will be deducted from your total due. Payments for the BX may be through a check sent directly to Arnold or on the PBS Bulb Exchange webpage with the PayPal link. Please go to the bottom of the Bulb Exchange page and fill in the payment form at https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?page=BXpay It will be most helpful if you reference the BX number when you make the payment. Any questions may be directed to me at the bulbexpbs@gmail.com email. Available from our most generous donors are the following: 1. x Amarygia *Mike Lowitz* 2. Arum purpureospathum *Mary Sue Ittner* 3. Babiana framesii 4. Babiana secunda 5. Calochortus argillosus 6. Calochortus uniflorus 7. Triteleia laxa 8. Tritonia crocata 9. Allium amplectens 10. Brodiaea pallida (cormlets) 11. Cyrtanthus elatus x Cyrtanthus montanus (bulblets) 12. Dipterostemon capitatus (Dichelostemma capitatum) cormlets 13. Ferraria crispa (cormlets) 14. Ferraria crispa ssp. Nortieri 15. Freesia laxa ssp. Caerulea 16. Hyacinthoides lingulata 17. Narcissus romieuxii (small bulbs) 18. Nothoscordum dialystemon (Ipheion dialystemon) bulblets 19. Ornithogalum fimbrimarginatum 20. Pauridia capensis (cormlets) 21. Watsonia aletroides 22. Habranthus brachyandrus * John Barnes* 23. Zephyranthes flavissima 24. Ferraria crispa *Arnold Trachtenburg* 25. Ferraria crispa ssp nortieri 26. Ferraria divaricate 27. ferraria sp. 28. Oncostemma (Scilla) peruviana 29. Stenomesson pearcei 30. Arisaema dracontium *Robert Parks* 31. Ornithogalum comptum 32. Sinningia leucotricha 33. Typhonium flagelliforme 34. Trachyandra ciliata 35. Ixia polystycha Baby Blue 36. Pinellia ternata f. atropurpurea *Note: can be weedy and invasive* 37. Erythronium light yellow possibly 'Kondo' as it's darker than 'Pagoda' *Jan Jeddeloh* 38. Fessia greilhuberi 39. Galanthus reginae-olgae 40. Hyacinthoides mauretanica 41. Hyacinthoides (Scilla) lingulata 42. Tractema (Scilla) monophylla 43. Tractema (Scilla) ramburei Thank you! Bridget _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Tue, 27 Sep 2022 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <713049d6-abff-e252-81d3-ed84f6e400e3@mcn.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner via pbs Subject: Scilla verna ssp. ramburei or ramburii? Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2022 13:53:25 -0700 A plant being offered in the current BX is one that I grew under the name Scilla ramburei. At one point that was correct. The taxonomists now seem to think it should be a subspecies of Scilla verna, but how to spell it is confusing. Jim McKenney if he were still alive could probably help. I see on IPNI that it was published as Scilla ramburei, although Plants of the World Online spells it as Scilla ramburii and IPNI also has the spelling Scilla verna ssp. ramburii. World Flora Online has Scilla ramburei as a synonym for Scilla verna subsp. ramburei. Any experts out there to explain what spelling we should use? From IPNI Scilla ramburei Boiss., Elench. Pl. Nov. 86 (1838). Replaced synonym of Scilla verna var. major Boiss., Voy. Bot. Espagne 2: 613 (1845). Replaced synonym of Scilla verna var. iberica Maire, Bull. Soc. Hist. Nat. Afrique N. 26: 232 (1935). Scilla ramburii var. albiflora A.Fern. & J.G.García, Bol. Soc. Brot. sér. 2, 21: 7 (1947). Scilla ramburii var. intermedia A.Fern. & J.G.García, Bol. Soc. Brot. sér. 2, 21: 7 (1947). Scilla verna subspec. ramburii (Boiss.) K.Richt., Pl. Eur. 1: 220 (1890). From World Flora Online: Scilla ramburei Boiss. Elench. Pl. Nov. : 86 (1838) Status:Synonym of Scilla verna subsp. ramburei (Boiss.) K.Richt. From Plants of the World Online: Scilla ramburii Boiss. First published in Elench. Pl. Nov.: 86 (1838) This species is a synonym of Scilla verna subsp. ramburii _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Tue, 27 Sep 2022 15:17:09 -0700 Message-Id: <1271545633.1548566.1664314264967@mail.yahoo.com> From: Robert Lauf via pbs Subject: Scilla verna ssp. ramburei or ramburii? Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2022 21:31:04 +0000 (UTC) The expert would be "Boiss." who published the name.  Contact your local library's Interlibrary Loan person and ask for a copy of the original paper.  It will have the original spelling and also typically the origin of the name.  Was it named for someone named Rambur or someone named Rambure? Bob   Zone 7 On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 04:53:32 PM EDT, Mary Sue Ittner via pbs wrote: A plant being offered in the current BX is one that I grew under the name Scilla ramburei. At one point that was correct. The taxonomists now seem to think it should be a subspecies of Scilla verna, but how to spell it is confusing. Jim McKenney if he were still alive could probably help. I see on IPNI that it was published as Scilla ramburei, although Plants of the World Online spells it as Scilla ramburii and IPNI also has the spelling Scilla verna ssp. ramburii. World Flora Online has Scilla ramburei as a synonym for Scilla verna subsp. ramburei. Any experts out there to explain what spelling we should use? From IPNI Scilla ramburei Boiss., Elench. Pl. Nov. 86 (1838). Replaced synonym of Scilla verna var. major Boiss., Voy. Bot. Espagne 2: 613 (1845). Replaced synonym of Scilla verna var. iberica Maire, Bull. Soc. Hist. Nat. Afrique N. 26: 232 (1935). Scilla ramburii var. albiflora A.Fern. & J.G.García, Bol. Soc. Brot. sér. 2, 21: 7 (1947). Scilla ramburii var. intermedia A.Fern. & J.G.García, Bol. Soc. Brot. sér. 2, 21: 7 (1947). Scilla verna subspec. ramburii (Boiss.) K.Richt., Pl. Eur. 1: 220 (1890). From World Flora Online: Scilla ramburei Boiss. Elench. Pl. Nov. : 86 (1838) Status:Synonym of Scilla verna subsp. ramburei (Boiss.) K.Richt. From Plants of the World Online: Scilla ramburii Boiss. First published in Elench. Pl. Nov.: 86 (1838) This species is a synonym of Scilla verna subsp. ramburii _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Tue, 27 Sep 2022 15:17:09 -0700 Message-Id: <20220927.163957.9902.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com> From: Rick Rodich via pbs Subject: Scilla verna ssp. ramburei or ramburii? Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2022 21:39:57 GMT Yes, I think it would depend on the name that was latinized and the gender of the genus to conform. Rick Rodich ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Robert Lauf via pbs To: Mary Sue Ittner via pbs Cc: Robert Lauf Subject: Re: [pbs] Scilla verna ssp. ramburei or ramburii? Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2022 21:31:04 +0000 (UTC) The expert would be "Boiss." who published the name. Contact your local library's Interlibrary Loan person and ask for a copy of the original paper. It will have the original spelling and also typically the origin of the name. Was it named for someone named Rambur or someone named Rambure? Bob Zone 7 On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 04:53:32 PM EDT, Mary Sue Ittner via pbs wrote: A plant being offered in the current BX is one that I grew under the name Scilla ramburei. At one point that was correct. The taxonomists now seem to think it should be a subspecies of Scilla verna, but how to spell it is confusing. Jim McKenney if he were still alive could probably help. I see on IPNI that it was published as Scilla ramburei, although Plants of the World Online spells it as Scilla ramburii and IPNI also has the spelling Scilla verna ssp. ramburii. World Flora Online has Scilla ramburei as a synonym for Scilla verna subsp. ramburei. Any experts out there to explain what spelling we should use? From IPNI Scilla ramburei Boiss., Elench. Pl. Nov. 86 (1838). Replaced synonym of Scilla verna var. major Boiss., Voy. Bot. Espagne 2: 613 (1845). Replaced synonym of Scilla verna var. iberica Maire, Bull. Soc. Hist. Nat. Afrique N. 26: 232 (1935). Scilla ramburii var. albiflora A.Fern. & J.G.García, Bol. Soc. Brot. sér. 2, 21: 7 (1947). Scilla ramburii var. intermedia A.Fern. & J.G.García, Bol. Soc. Brot. sér. 2, 21: 7 (1947). Scilla verna subspec. ramburii (Boiss.) K.Richt., Pl. Eur. 1: 220 (1890). From World Flora Online: Scilla ramburei Boiss. Elench. Pl. Nov. : 86 (1838) Status:Synonym of Scilla verna subsp. ramburei (Boiss.) K.Richt. From Plants of the World Online: Scilla ramburii Boiss. First published in Elench. Pl. Nov.: 86 (1838) This species is a synonym of Scilla verna subsp. ramburii _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Tue, 27 Sep 2022 15:17:09 -0700 Message-Id: <25BD255D-3D78-4501-9191-A146B4BD8866@gmail.com> From: Jan Jeddeloh via pbs Subject: Scilla verna ssp. ramburei or ramburii? Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2022 15:05:50 -0700 So I was bad when I donated the bulbs of this species and didn’t check the name on World Flora Online, something I do for all the seed donated to the SX. Most major botanical gardens such as Kew belong to WFO which is generally considered the most up to date source on plant names. It’s the one I was instructed to use for the SX. Here is the page for the scilla in question https://wfoplantlist.org/plant-list/taxon/wfo-0000811966-2022-06 . It appears what happened is that Boiss thought it distinct enough from the garden variety S. verna to deserve its own species name. Current taxonomists disagree, possibly due to genetic studies, and consider it just a subspecies of verna but they did preserve the name Boiss bestowed on it as a subspecies name. So the bottom line is, until the next PhD student does a dissertation on the Scilla verna tribe, we should be referring to this plant as Scilla verna ssp. ramburei. I think it’s probably best if we generally accept WFO as our PBS authority so we have some consistency in the matter. We need to accept some source as authoritative or we’ll have a real naming mess on our hands and people won’t have an idea what they’re getting. When the plant’s name has been changed radically from what people generally know I put the old name in parentheses on the seed lists. Jan Jeddeloh > On Sep 27, 2022, at 1:53 PM, Mary Sue Ittner via pbs wrote: > > A plant being offered in the current BX is one that I grew under the name Scilla ramburei. At one point that was correct. The taxonomists now seem to think it should be a subspecies of Scilla verna, but how to spell it is confusing. Jim McKenney if he were still alive could probably help. I see on IPNI that it was published as Scilla ramburei, although Plants of the World Online spells it as Scilla ramburii and IPNI also has the spelling Scilla verna ssp. ramburii. World Flora Online has Scilla ramburei as a synonym for Scilla verna subsp. ramburei. Any experts out there to explain what spelling we should use? > > From IPNI > > Scilla ramburei Boiss., Elench. Pl. Nov. 86 (1838). > Replaced synonym of > Scilla verna var. major Boiss., Voy. Bot. Espagne 2: 613 (1845). > Replaced synonym of > Scilla verna var. iberica Maire, Bull. Soc. Hist. Nat. Afrique N. 26: 232 (1935). > > > Scilla ramburii var. albiflora A.Fern. & J.G.García, Bol. Soc. Brot. sér. 2, 21: 7 (1947). > Scilla ramburii var. intermedia A.Fern. & J.G.García, Bol. Soc. Brot. sér. 2, 21: 7 (1947). > Scilla verna subspec. ramburii (Boiss.) K.Richt., Pl. Eur. 1: 220 (1890). > > From World Flora Online: > > Scilla ramburei Boiss. > Elench. Pl. Nov. : 86 (1838) > Status:Synonym of Scilla verna subsp. ramburei (Boiss.) K.Richt. > > From Plants of the World Online: > Scilla ramburii Boiss. > First published in Elench. Pl. Nov.: 86 (1838) > This species is a synonym of Scilla verna subsp. ramburii > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Tue, 27 Sep 2022 17:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <003b01d8d2ca$e5ea1660$b1be4320$@hansennursery.com> From: R Hansen via pbs Subject: Scilla verna ssp. ramburei or ramburii? Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2022 16:43:07 -0700 Jan, I think there is so much confusion over that name right now that this is one bulb I just can't be concerned about. Hopefully someone will soon know what to call it. I just list it as Scilla ramburei. To me it is distinct form S verna and to be preferred in the garden because the leaves are glaucous and the flowers are closer together. But yes, using WFO is best to avoid confusion so ignore my occasional misadventures with plant names in my catalog. I'm slowly catching up... Robin Hansen More rain on the way Southwestern Oregon _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Tue, 27 Sep 2022 18:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <0bf601d8d2d0$e35c09c0$aa141d40$@q.com> From: Robert Nold via pbs Subject: Scilla verna ssp. ramburei or ramburii? Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2022 18:26:01 -0600 The expert would be "Boiss." who published the name. For what it's worth, Boissier's spelling was "ramburei" in" Elenchus plantarum novarum minusque cognitarum in hispania australi collectarum" (whew; "list of new and less known plants collected in southern Spain"), June 1838. Named for Jules Pierre Rambur, 1801-1870. Bob Nold Denver, Colorado _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 28 Sep 2022 06:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <76b62b38-2905-2aa3-6b86-b11266d32ef2@mcn.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner via pbs Subject: BX 486 now open for orders Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 05:46:08 -0700 There were a few spelling mistakes in the names of the list Bridget posted and some old names that are currently not accepted by the major data bases so I have redone the list with the corrections: *Mike Lowitz* 1.     x Amarygia *Mary Sue Ittner* 2.  Arum purpureospathum 3.   Babiana framesii 4.   Babiana secunda 5.   Calochortus argillosus 6.   Calochortus uniflorus 7.   Triteleia laxa 8.   Tritonia crocata 9.   Allium amplectens 10.   Brodiaea pallida (cormlets) 11.   Cyrtanthus elatus x Cyrtanthus montanus (bulblets) 12.   Dipterostemon capitatus (Dichelostemma capitatum) cormlets 13.   Ferraria crispa (cormlets) 14.   Ferraria crispa ssp. nortieri 15.   Freesia laxa ssp. caerulea 16.   Hyacinthoides lingulata 17.   Narcissus romieuxii (small bulbs) 18.   Nothoscordum dialystemon (Ipheion dialystemon) bulblets 19.   Ornithogalum fimbrimarginatum 20.   Pauridia capensis (cormlets) 21.   Watsonia aletroides  *  John Barnes* 22.   Habranthus brachyandrus 23.   Zephyranthes flavissima 24.   Ferraria crispa *Arnold Trachtenburg* 25.   Ferraria crispa ssp nortieri 26.   Ferraria divaricata 27.  Ferraria sp. 28.   Scilla peruviana 29.   Stenomesson pearcei 30.   Arisaema dracontium *Robert Parks* 31.   Ornithogalum juncifolium (syn. Ornithogalum comptum) 32.   Sinningia leucotricha 33.   Typhonium flagelliforme 34.   Trachyandra ciliata 35.   Ixia polystachya Baby Blue 36.   Pinellia ternata f. atropurpurea*Note: can be weedy and invasive* 37.   Erythronium light yellow possibly 'Kondo' as it's darker than 'Pagoda' *Jan Jeddeloh* 38.   Fessia greilhuberi 39.   Galanthus reginae-olgae 40.   Hyacinthoides mauritanica 41.   Hyacinthoides lingulata (syn. Scilla lingulata) 42.   Scilla monophyllos 43.   Scilla verna subsp. ramburei (Scilla ramburei) On 9/26/2022 7:48 PM, Bridget Wosczyna via pbs wrote: > BX 486 is now open for orders! > > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 28 Sep 2022 07:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Shoal Creek Succulents via pbs Subject: Haemanthus seed Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:44:37 -0500 Hi all- As previously discussed, we have an offering of Haemanthus seed from Mary Sue Ittner, details listed below. Please send me (not the PBS general list!) an email with your selections and your address. This offer is open until Friday. Winners will be selected by lottery on Saturday morning. I will acknowledge receipt of your email within 24 hours. I will send winners a note on Saturday morning with payment info. Shipping will be $4.50 as these delicate seeds will need to be sent in a small box, with tracking information. Haemanthus carneus - just a few seeds, $2.00 Haemanthus humilis - from pink flowers, fewer $2.50 Haemanthus humilis - from white flowers, more seeds $1.50 The last one is from the Stutterheim form shown on the wiki: https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Haemanthus_humilis Best regards, Lisa _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 28 Sep 2022 14:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1900274278.1132611.1664399027979@mail.yahoo.com> From: Ron Martinolich via pbs Subject: Haemanthus seed Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 21:03:47 +0000 (UTC) Hi Lisa, Thank to you for doing this, and to Mary Sue for the donations. What is your email address?  I know there is a way to get it from the website, or there used to be, but I can no longer remember how. Best regards, Ron _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 28 Sep 2022 15:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <1873173307.1605232.1664401794772@mail.yahoo.com> From: ray vanveen via pbs Subject: Haemanthus seed Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 21:49:54 +0000 (UTC) Lisa  I would like to order some seeds or least put me on the list but i do not have your e mailThanksRay van veen -----Original Message----- From: Shoal Creek Succulents via pbs To: Pacific Bulb Society Cc: Shoal Creek Succulents Sent: Wed, Sep 28, 2022 6:44 am Subject: [pbs] Haemanthus seed Hi all- As previously discussed, we have an offering of Haemanthus seed from Mary Sue Ittner, details listed below. Please send me (not the PBS general list!) an email with your selections and your address. This offer is open until Friday. Winners will be selected by lottery on Saturday morning. I will acknowledge receipt of your email within 24 hours. I will send winners a note on Saturday morning with payment info. Shipping will be $4.50 as these delicate seeds will need to be sent in a small box, with tracking information. Haemanthus carneus - just a few seeds, $2.00 Haemanthus humilis - from pink flowers, fewer $2.50 Haemanthus humilis - from white flowers, more seeds $1.50 The last one is from the Stutterheim form shown on the wiki: https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Haemanthus_humilis Best regards, Lisa _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 28 Sep 2022 15:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Shoal Creek Succulents via pbs Subject: Haemanthus seed Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 16:57:40 -0500 Apologies that I did not include my email address. 😎😎 It's scsnursery1@gmail.com. I have the 2 entries that were posted just now from Ron and Ray included in the lottery. Keep the requests coming!! On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 4:04 PM Ron Martinolich via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > Hi Lisa, > Thank to you for doing this, and to Mary Sue for the donations. > What is your email address? I know there is a way to get it from the > website, or there used to be, but I can no longer remember how. > Best regards, > Ron > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest: > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 29 Sep 2022 12:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: <35ebd017.4367d.1838a9ac911.Webtop.108@btinternet.com> From: Brian Whyer via pbs Subject: Pollination of Haemanthus Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 19:55:43 +0100 (BST) Hi How do you pollinate Haemanthus coccineus "by hand" ? Some plants, eg. Sciila madierensis (flowering alongside) I can more or less just bang their heads together, or the bees, if there are any still around, do it for me. Haemanthus want a bit more care. No humming birds here in the UK. The long hot summer has ended and the lawn is going green again. Looks as I am too late this year as the stems on 3 different plants are beginning to curl over, but next year ?? I have H. albiflos too but not tried with them. Brian Whyer _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 29 Sep 2022 12:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: From: James Shao via pbs Subject: Pollination of Haemanthus Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 11:58:14 -0700 I've just run the palm of my hand around the flower head on one plant, do the same to a second, then go back and do it again on the first. James On Thu, Sep 29, 2022, 11:55 AM Brian Whyer via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > Hi > > How do you pollinate Haemanthus coccineus "by hand" ? Some plants, eg. > Sciila madierensis (flowering alongside) I can more or less just bang > their heads together, or the bees, if there are any still around, do it > for me. Haemanthus want a bit more care. No humming birds here in the > UK. The long hot summer has ended and the lawn is going green again. > Looks as I am too late this year as the stems on 3 different plants are > beginning to curl over, but next year ?? I have H. albiflos too but not > tried with them. > > Brian Whyer > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest: > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 29 Sep 2022 12:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: From: James Shao via pbs Subject: Pollination of Haemanthus Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 11:59:53 -0700 > I should clarify, that was with albiflos and humilis. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 29 Sep 2022 14:17:12 -0700 Message-Id: <1136988273.1976548.1664482768790@mail.yahoo.com> From: ray vanveen via pbs Subject: Haemanthus seed Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 20:19:28 +0000 (UTC) Thank youRay -----Original Message----- From: Shoal Creek Succulents via pbs To: Pacific Bulb Society Cc: Shoal Creek Succulents Sent: Wed, Sep 28, 2022 2:57 pm Subject: Re: [pbs] Haemanthus seed Apologies that I did not include my email address. 😎😎 It's scsnursery1@gmail.com. I have the 2 entries that were posted just now from Ron and Ray included in the lottery. Keep the requests coming!! On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 4:04 PM Ron Martinolich via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > Hi Lisa, > Thank to you for doing this, and to Mary Sue for the donations. > What is your email address?  I know there is a way to get it from the > website, or there used to be, but I can no longer remember how. > Best regards, > Ron > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest: > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 29 Sep 2022 15:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Michael Homick via pbs Subject: Pollination of Haemanthus Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 14:23:05 -0700 I am not sure if Haemanthus will self pollinate, but if I recall correctly I have had single clones produce seed. If you have two plants flowering at the same time you can rub your hand from the top of one then the other back and forth a few times. Individual flowers of a head will become receptive at different times so for best effect you do it over a few days. I find a flower on the head usually produces fluffy receptive pollen and then the stigma and style elongates after to rise above the pollen sacs becoming receptive. When I want to cross two particular clones and minimize self pollination, I will remove the anthers as they ripen with tweezers, storing them in gelatin capsules in a container with silica gel in the frig for later use. When the stigmas and styles become receptive I will use one end of the capsule holding the anthers to transfer pollen. Using this method I am currently crossing Haemanthus humilis humilis 'Giant' that was the first to flower this season on Haemanthus albiflos that is just starting its flower period. All the best, Michael On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 11:55 AM Brian Whyer via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > Hi > > How do you pollinate Haemanthus coccineus "by hand" ? Some plants, eg. > Sciila madierensis (flowering alongside) I can more or less just bang > their heads together, or the bees, if there are any still around, do it > for me. Haemanthus want a bit more care. No humming birds here in the > UK. The long hot summer has ended and the lawn is going green again. > Looks as I am too late this year as the stems on 3 different plants are > beginning to curl over, but next year ?? I have H. albiflos too but not > tried with them. > > Brian Whyer > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest: > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 29 Sep 2022 15:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <53c648e6.43951.1838b30df9e.Webtop.108@btinternet.com> From: Brian Whyer via pbs Subject: Pollination of Haemanthus Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 22:39:39 +0100 (BST) All my bulbs are single bulbs/clones, grown from seeds some years ago sent to me. About half have flowered for a few years now but not clumped so far. Maybe not feeding them enough and lack of space / and too small pots. I have moved some into larger tall form pots this year. Brian Whyer, SEUK Subject: Re: [pbs] Pollination of Haemanthus I am not sure if Haemanthus will self pollinate, but if I recall correctly I have had single clones produce seed. If you have two plants flowering at the same time you can rub your hand from the top of one then the other back and forth a few times. Individual flowers of a head will become receptive at different times so for best effect you do it over a few days. I find a flower on the head usually produces fluffy receptive pollen and then the stigma and style elongates after to rise above the pollen sacs becoming receptive. When I want to cross two particular clones and minimize self pollination, I will remove the anthers as they ripen with tweezers, storing them in gelatin capsules in a container with silica gel in the frig for later use. When the stigmas and styles become receptive I will use one end of the capsule holding the anthers to transfer pollen. Using this method I am currently crossing Haemanthus humilis humilis 'Giant' that was the first to flower this season on Haemanthus albiflos that is just starting its flower period. All the best, Michael On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 11:55 AM Brian Whyer via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: Hi How do you pollinate Haemanthus coccineus "by hand" ? Some plants, eg. Sciila madierensis (flowering alongside) I can more or less just bang their heads together, or the bees, if there are any still around, do it for me. Haemanthus want a bit more care. No humming birds here in the UK. The long hot summer has ended and the lawn is going green again. Looks as I am too late this year as the stems on 3 different plants are beginning to curl over, but next year ?? I have H. albiflos too but not tried with them. Brian Whyer _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 29 Sep 2022 20:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <6b826600-6905-37d7-78c9-85bd42e7114a@gizmoworks.com> From: Steve Marak via pbs Subject: Pollination of Haemanthus Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 21:38:43 -0500 I can say that at least some clones of H. albiflos will self. One old unnamed one in particular usually makes a few seeds for me with no effort on my part, and sets seed copiously for a friend - he has them germinating all over his greenhouse floor. I haven't ever spotted anything on the flowers so no idea what's doing the work. Another clone will self if I help it along, but usually doesn't set seed otherwise. For smaller flowers I get out the cotton swabs, but for Haemanthus I did what Michael suggested. Neither of my clones of H. humilis have ever spontaneously set seed, and I haven't tried to self or cross them, so can't help there. Steve On 9/29/2022 4:39 PM, Brian Whyer via pbs wrote: > > All my bulbs are single bulbs/clones, grown from seeds some years ago > sent to me. About half have flowered for a few years now but not > clumped so far. Maybe not feeding them enough and lack of space / and > too small pots. I have moved some into larger tall form pots this year. > > Brian Whyer, SEUK > Subject: Re: [pbs] Pollination of Haemanthus > I am not sure if Haemanthus will self pollinate, but if I recall > correctly > I have had single clones produce seed. If you have two plants > flowering at > the same time you can rub your hand from the top of one then the other > back > and forth a few times. Individual flowers of a head will become receptive > at different times so for best effect you do it over a few days. I find a > flower on the head usually produces fluffy receptive pollen and then the > stigma and style elongates after to rise above the pollen sacs becoming > receptive. > ... > All the best, Michael > On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 11:55 AM Brian Whyer via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > Hi > How do you pollinate Haemanthus coccineus "by hand" ? ... _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent