From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sat, 04 Apr 2026 06:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Tim Eck via pbs Subject: off topic Abiogenesis Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2026 09:04:54 -0400 Sorry for the off-topic post but I don't know any biologists personally. Is this article saying something groundbreaking about the origin of life? Or is this state of the art knowledge? https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adt2760 Thanks Tim _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sat, 04 Apr 2026 10:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <41b3dc5a-5fb4-463f-b0e9-93e9948506d8@gizmoworks.com> From: Steve Marak via pbs Subject: off topic Abiogenesis Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2026 12:11:23 -0500 Tim, thank for posting that, off-topic or not, as I hadn't seen it. I'll be sharing that link with some friends (a couple of whom are biologists). I'm not a biologist or anything close, I just follow this stuff. For what little it's worth, my interpretation would be that this is not a breakthrough in understanding the origin of life, as it doesn't propose anything not previously theorized or show any discovery in existing life that would invalidate or refine current theories. But it is significant because it shows a simple working version of something needed in those theories. Not proving that's how it happened, which we may never know, but helping show it could have happened that way. Steve On 4/4/2026 8:04 AM, Tim Eck via pbs wrote: > Sorry for the off-topic post but I don't know any biologists personally. > Is this article saying something groundbreaking about the origin of life? > Or is this state of the art knowledge? > https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adt2760 > Thanks > Tim > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sat, 04 Apr 2026 14:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Tim Eck via pbs Subject: off topic Abiogenesis Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2026 16:57:02 -0400 I get the impression that they demonstrated that it forms both spontaneously and, more rapidly, with itself as a catalyst. Together, I think that defines the origin of life, or at least *an* origin of life. The rest is just evolution. On Sat, Apr 4, 2026 at 1:11 PM Steve Marak via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > Tim, thank for posting that, off-topic or not, as I hadn't seen it. I'll > be sharing that link with some friends (a couple of whom are biologists). > > I'm not a biologist or anything close, I just follow this stuff. For > what little it's worth, my interpretation would be that this is not a > breakthrough in understanding the origin of life, as it doesn't propose > anything not previously theorized or show any discovery in existing life > that would invalidate or refine current theories. But it is significant > because it shows a simple working version of something needed in those > theories. Not proving that's how it happened, which we may never know, > but helping show it could have happened that way. > > Steve > > On 4/4/2026 8:04 AM, Tim Eck via pbs wrote: > > Sorry for the off-topic post but I don't know any biologists personally. > > Is this article saying something groundbreaking about the origin of life? > > Or is this state of the art knowledge? > > https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adt2760 > > Thanks > > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > Unsubscribe: > > PBS Forum latest: > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest: > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sat, 04 Apr 2026 15:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <0645AE30-A7DB-48C4-84DD-24DB4713E8D3@roadrunner.com> From: Eric via pbs Subject: off topic Abiogenesis Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2026 18:09:04 -0400 Interesting article. Thanks for making me aware of it. Not quite life, but definitely a step in the process from chemical reactions towards life. Eric Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 4, 2026, at 4:57 PM, Tim Eck via pbs wrote: > > I get the impression that they demonstrated that it forms both > spontaneously and, more rapidly, with itself as a catalyst. Together, I > think that defines the origin of life, or at least *an* origin of life. > The rest is just evolution. > >> On Sat, Apr 4, 2026 at 1:11 PM Steve Marak via pbs < >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: >> >> Tim, thank for posting that, off-topic or not, as I hadn't seen it. I'll >> be sharing that link with some friends (a couple of whom are biologists). >> >> I'm not a biologist or anything close, I just follow this stuff. For >> what little it's worth, my interpretation would be that this is not a >> breakthrough in understanding the origin of life, as it doesn't propose >> anything not previously theorized or show any discovery in existing life >> that would invalidate or refine current theories. But it is significant >> because it shows a simple working version of something needed in those >> theories. Not proving that's how it happened, which we may never know, >> but helping show it could have happened that way. >> >> Steve >> >>> On 4/4/2026 8:04 AM, Tim Eck via pbs wrote: >>> Sorry for the off-topic post but I don't know any biologists personally. >>> Is this article saying something groundbreaking about the origin of life? >>> Or is this state of the art knowledge? >>> https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adt2760 >>> Thanks >>> Tim >>> _______________________________________________ >>> pbs mailing list >>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >>> https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs >>> Unsubscribe: >>> PBS Forum latest: >> https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs >> Unsubscribe: >> PBS Forum latest: >> https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent >> > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sun, 05 Apr 2026 07:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <960FF09B-B940-491B-9051-F8DF5C1F1BD1@ucdavis.edu> From: Chad Cox via pbs Subject: Off topic abiogenesis Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2026 06:56:32 -0700 Hey Tim, Thanks for sharing this. Definitely very interesting. I would say that this provides evidence that something like this may have occurred as an early event in the process by which life originated. I think it is unlikely that this particular ribozyme was in existence at that time however. But the fact that this mechanism exists means that other molecules may also have utilized it. Keep in mind we never prove anything in science, we only generate evidence in support of a particular theory or hypothesis. Anyways that’s my two cents. I am a nutritional biologist and I teach organic chemistry and biochemistry at Sacramento State. Chad Cox Sent from my iPhone Chad L. Cox, Ph.D. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sun, 05 Apr 2026 11:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Kipp McMichael via pbs Subject: off topic Abiogenesis Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2026 18:04:29 +0000 Greetings, What a great off topic! Who doesn't love a Chicken-and-Egg problem for Easter Sunday?! 🐣 I've followed the abiogenesis literature for years. A few thoughts about this paper: * A compact RNA strand capable of self replication is definitely something relevant to the origin of the protein building machinery of the cell. But there's good reason to think that the genetic aspect of protein building (and many/most proteins themselves) came fairly late to the origin of life - which brings me to my next point: * Probably because of the fascinating, elegant complexity of genetic molecules like DNA & RNA - and all the informatic tools that can be used to gain knowledge from this system - biological research on the origin of life is, IMO, improperly biased toward genetic molecules. * Genetic molecules are delicate and fussy. Their creation and durability are made possible by an enormous, complex molecular machinery that is not, itself, made of genetic molecules. For DNA and RNA to have arisen and persisted long enough to evolve from random molecules to the cellular orchestrators they are now, they would have needed an environment so regulated that it was likely already alive. That is to say: RNA and DNA likely only became central to life after life had already gotten started. Here's the best analogy I've found to illustrate my point: Computers and the digital world are also amazing systems and at the core of computation is the microchip and, ultimately, the transistor. Chips and transistors are fascinating in their own right as well but if we wanted to understand the origin of computation we would not want to start with microchips or transistors. The abacus, looms/knitting machines, mechanical cash registers (1890s general store style) and the telegraph are where the true origin of computation began. At some point, fairly recently in the case of computation, transistors and microchips supplanted mechanical/analog computation devices in almost all areas where we compute. The earlier history is obscured and, in the case of life, may never be possible to truly recover. Just don't get fooled by all the "fancy new gadgets" (like iPhones and RNA ) into thinking computation or life always worked the way they do now. OK - so we went from abiogenesis to computers all in an Easter post on the bulb mailing list. Heat is Risen! -| on behalf of Eric via pbs Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2026 3:09 PM To: Bulb Society Pacific Cc: Eric Subject: Re: [pbs] off topic Abiogenesis Interesting article. Thanks for making me aware of it. Not quite life, but definitely a step in the process from chemical reactions towards life. Eric Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 4, 2026, at 4:57 PM, Tim Eck via pbs wrote: > > I get the impression that they demonstrated that it forms both > spontaneously and, more rapidly, with itself as a catalyst. Together, I > think that defines the origin of life, or at least *an* origin of life. > The rest is just evolution. > >> On Sat, Apr 4, 2026 at 1:11 PM Steve Marak via pbs < >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: >> >> Tim, thank for posting that, off-topic or not, as I hadn't seen it. I'll >> be sharing that link with some friends (a couple of whom are biologists). >> >> I'm not a biologist or anything close, I just follow this stuff. For >> what little it's worth, my interpretation would be that this is not a >> breakthrough in understanding the origin of life, as it doesn't propose >> anything not previously theorized or show any discovery in existing life >> that would invalidate or refine current theories. But it is significant >> because it shows a simple working version of something needed in those >> theories. Not proving that's how it happened, which we may never know, >> but helping show it could have happened that way. >> >> Steve >> >>> On 4/4/2026 8:04 AM, Tim Eck via pbs wrote: >>> Sorry for the off-topic post but I don't know any biologists personally. >>> Is this article saying something groundbreaking about the origin of life? >>> Or is this state of the art knowledge? >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.science.org%2Fdoi%2F10.1126%2Fscience.adt2760&data=05%7C02%7C%7Cccab7e47c5314176c0b808de9296d2bc%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C639109373648089030%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=8NL7VhUeP4YIGYgQZOxLUFHvpH%2F7AlGU68aSCGrIwaw%3D&reserved=0 >>> Thanks >>> Tim >>> _______________________________________________ >>> pbs mailing list >>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >>> 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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2026 10:15:24 -0700 Tropaeolum peregrinum I plant them every year, but if I'm lucky I get one! Any tips for seed treatments or tips and tricks? Regularly nasturtiums are so easy, but these are so pretty that I can't give up! Christine in Canada Sechelt, British Columbia _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 15 Apr 2026 11:17:01 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Leo A. Martin via pbs" Subject: Any tips for growing canary nasturtiums? Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2026 17:57:09 +0000 Hi Christine, In my experience these are much more fall-winter growing than ordinary nasturtiums. They die sooner in Spring. So: Use fresh seed. They don't store well. Begin in Fall when it's decidedly cooler. Soak 8-12 hours but not longer. Plant where they are to grow. Protect from gastropods. Harvest seed for next year. Leo A. Martin Phoenix Arizona USA Zone 9? Sent from Proton Mail for Android. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 15 Apr 2026 22:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Sru Tellom via pbs Subject: X Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2026 09:13:41 -0700 Hey I am looking for Pamianthe Peruviana plant material….? Hope to hear from you. Best Urs Von meinem iPad gesendet _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Wed, 15 Apr 2026 23:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Eugene Zielinski via pbs Subject: X Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2026 05:25:08 +0000 I've responded to Urs' request. PBS is not a vendor of bulbs, just a supplier of information. Eugene Zielinski Pacific Bulb Society -----Original Message----- From: Sru Tellom via pbs Sent: Apr 15, 2026 10:00 PM To: Cc: Sru Tellom Subject: [pbs] X Hey I am looking for Pamianthe Peruviana plant material….? Hope to hear from you. Best Urs Von meinem iPad gesendet _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 16 Apr 2026 10:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Christine Meyer via pbs Subject: Any tips for growing canary nasturtiums? Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2026 09:59:46 -0700 Thank-you so much for writing back, I will try that. I suspect my seeds may be old :( On Wed, Apr 15, 2026, 10:57 a.m. Leo A. Martin via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > Hi Christine, > > In my experience these are much more fall-winter growing than ordinary > nasturtiums. They die sooner in Spring. So: > > Use fresh seed. They don't store well. > Begin in Fall when it's decidedly cooler. > Soak 8-12 hours but not longer. > Plant where they are to grow. > Protect from gastropods. > Harvest seed for next year. > > Leo A. Martin > Phoenix Arizona USA > Zone 9? > > Sent from Proton Mail for Android. > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest: > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sun, 19 Apr 2026 15:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1E364125-5117-4DAD-BDBA-84B98F2C552E@shasta.com> From: Christine Doud via pbs Subject: Any tips for growing canary nasturtiums? Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2026 14:43:54 -0700 I’m no expert but I’ll share something I did. I read something about nicking the seeds first. I did that plus soaked them 4 days ( I forgot them). The seeds all germinated quite fast for nasturtiums and they are doing great. Christine > On Apr 16, 2026, at 10:00 AM, Christine Meyer via pbs wrote: > > Thank-you so much for writing back, I will try that. I suspect my seeds may > be old :( > >> On Wed, Apr 15, 2026, 10:57 a.m. Leo A. Martin via pbs < >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: >> >> Hi Christine, >> >> In my experience these are much more fall-winter growing than ordinary >> nasturtiums. They die sooner in Spring. So: >> >> Use fresh seed. They don't store well. >> Begin in Fall when it's decidedly cooler. >> Soak 8-12 hours but not longer. >> Plant where they are to grow. >> Protect from gastropods. >> Harvest seed for next year. >> >> Leo A. Martin >> Phoenix Arizona USA >> Zone 9? >> >> Sent from Proton Mail for Android. >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs >> Unsubscribe: >> PBS Forum latest: >> https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent >> > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sun, 19 Apr 2026 15:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Tim Eck via pbs Subject: Any tips for growing canary nasturtiums? Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2026 18:01:11 -0400 The standard scarification for many leguminous tree seeds is to pour boiling water on them and let them imbibe for a day or two. I have used this method and it worked on those seeds. Caution suggests you not treat the whole batch this way the first time. On Sun, Apr 19, 2026 at 5:44 PM Christine Doud via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > I’m no expert but I’ll share something I did. I read something about > nicking the seeds first. I did that plus soaked them 4 days ( I forgot > them). The seeds all germinated quite fast for nasturtiums and they are > doing great. > Christine > > > On Apr 16, 2026, at 10:00 AM, Christine Meyer via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > > > Thank-you so much for writing back, I will try that. I suspect my seeds > may > > be old :( > > > >> On Wed, Apr 15, 2026, 10:57 a.m. Leo A. Martin via pbs < > >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > >> > >> Hi Christine, > >> > >> In my experience these are much more fall-winter growing than ordinary > >> nasturtiums. They die sooner in Spring. So: > >> > >> Use fresh seed. They don't store well. > >> Begin in Fall when it's decidedly cooler. > >> Soak 8-12 hours but not longer. > >> Plant where they are to grow. > >> Protect from gastropods. > >> Harvest seed for next year. > >> > >> Leo A. Martin > >> Phoenix Arizona USA > >> Zone 9? > >> > >> Sent from Proton Mail for Android. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> pbs mailing list > >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > >> https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > >> Unsubscribe: > >> PBS Forum latest: > >> https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > Unsubscribe: > > PBS Forum latest: > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest: > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Sun, 19 Apr 2026 15:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Laura Grant via pbs Subject: Any tips for growing canary nasturtiums? Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2026 18:09:02 -0400 The boiling water worked for me on Berberis microphilla as well. Laura On Sun, Apr 19, 2026, 6:01 PM Tim Eck via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > The standard scarification for many leguminous tree seeds is to pour > boiling water on them and let them imbibe for a day or two. I have used > this method and it worked on those seeds. > Caution suggests you not treat the whole batch this way the first time. > > On Sun, Apr 19, 2026 at 5:44 PM Christine Doud via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > > I’m no expert but I’ll share something I did. I read something about > > nicking the seeds first. I did that plus soaked them 4 days ( I forgot > > them). The seeds all germinated quite fast for nasturtiums and they are > > doing great. > > Christine > > > > > On Apr 16, 2026, at 10:00 AM, Christine Meyer via pbs < > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > > > > > Thank-you so much for writing back, I will try that. I suspect my > seeds > > may > > > be old :( > > > > > >> On Wed, Apr 15, 2026, 10:57 a.m. Leo A. Martin via pbs < > > >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > >> > > >> Hi Christine, > > >> > > >> In my experience these are much more fall-winter growing than ordinary > > >> nasturtiums. They die sooner in Spring. So: > > >> > > >> Use fresh seed. They don't store well. > > >> Begin in Fall when it's decidedly cooler. > > >> Soak 8-12 hours but not longer. > > >> Plant where they are to grow. > > >> Protect from gastropods. > > >> Harvest seed for next year. > > >> > > >> Leo A. Martin > > >> Phoenix Arizona USA > > >> Zone 9? > > >> > > >> Sent from Proton Mail for Android. > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> pbs mailing list > > >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > >> https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > >> Unsubscribe: > > >> PBS Forum latest: > > >> https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > pbs mailing list > > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > > https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > > Unsubscribe: > > > PBS Forum latest: > > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > Unsubscribe: > > PBS Forum latest: > > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest: > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 23 Apr 2026 14:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Ernesto Romano via pbs Subject: Could this be really Hippeastrum vittatum Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2026 21:42:18 +0100 Hello first time using the list hope i am doing it the right way :) I wanted some expert advice I purchased this as Hippeastrum vittatum here in the uk It has now flowered with two beautiful flowers 13 cm diam across. However this does not have a vert trumpet shape and is not scented, which i though there both characteristics of H vittatum On the other hand if i Google the name similar images come so I am confused - I know H vittatum is very variable Any idea? thanks Ernesto _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 23 Apr 2026 14:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <156965610.1658039.1776977102904@mail.yahoo.com> From: Arnold Trachtenberg via pbs Subject: Could this be really Hippeastrum vittatum Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2026 20:45:02 +0000 (UTC) Hi Ernesto This list doesn’t  permit attachments  Go to the forum and post images Arnold  Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS On Thursday, April 23, 2026, 4:42 PM, Ernesto Romano via pbs wrote: Hello first time using the list hope i am doing it the right way :) I wanted some expert advice I purchased this as Hippeastrum vittatum here in the uk It has now flowered with two beautiful flowers 13 cm diam across. However this does not have a vert trumpet shape and is not scented, which i though there both characteristics of H vittatum On the other hand if i Google the name similar images come so I am confused - I know H vittatum is very variable Any idea? thanks Ernesto _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 23 Apr 2026 14:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Ernesto Romano via pbs Subject: Could this be really Hippeastrum vittatum Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2026 21:46:51 +0100 oh ok will do that!!thanks Ernesto On Thu, Apr 23, 2026 at 9:45 PM Arnold Trachtenberg via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > Hi Ernesto > This list doesn’t permit attachments > Go to the forum and post images > Arnold > > > Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS > > > On Thursday, April 23, 2026, 4:42 PM, Ernesto Romano via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > Hello > first time using the list hope i am doing it the right way :) > > I wanted some expert advice > > I purchased this as Hippeastrum vittatum here in the uk > It has now flowered with two beautiful flowers 13 cm diam across. > However this does not have a vert trumpet shape and is not scented, which i > though there both characteristics of H vittatum > On the other hand if i Google the name similar images come so I am confused > - I know H vittatum is very variable > Any idea? > thanks > Ernesto > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest: > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest: > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Fri, 24 Apr 2026 13:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <36132d74-1e07-43ad-b221-4c4367eae77f@code-garak.de> From: Garak via pbs Subject: [EX12b] EU spring exchange (part 2) open for orders Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2026 21:23:32 +0200 Dear members in the EU The second and final round of this year's EU spring exchange is now open for orders. The time window for ordering will close on Monday 27th at 24:00 Central European Time. Every fully paid member of the PBS with a postal address in the EU can order from the seeds and bulbs on offer. You do not need to be a donor to be entitled to order. There is no limit of how many positions from the list you can request, but you are only allocated one portion of each item. Please refrain from ordering "one of each" of the offerings. If you are not yet a member you can still join if you are tempted.... Please make sure you do not get confused with the US exchange, this one is for EU addresses only. Please send your request by e-mail directly to Martin Bohnet, who is the director of the EU Bulb and Seed Exchange. Please do NOT send your request to the forum or the email list, these requests cannot be served. Please make sure you do not use the reply button when sending your request. Martin's e-mail: garak@code-garak.de PLEASE INCLUDE YOUR MAILING ADDRESS WITH YOUR ORDER; IT SAVES MARTIN A LOT OF CORRESPONDENCE IF YOU DO....... Orders will be accepted during the three day time window after the list went online, closure will be announced in the forum. Distribution will then be at random so that everybody has the same chance to get the rare items in short supply. Each portion of seed will be charged 2 US $, each portion of bulbs will be 3 US $. For very big/heavy/rare bulbs this may be doubled. Postage will be added at cost, converted into US $. Leftovers from part one of the spring exchange are still available at full price. Due to a change in our procedures which we will explain in the near future, leftovers from both EX11 and EX10 will be offered for the last time, each portion at 1$. Payment for items from the EU-BX can only be made by PayPal in US Dollars to the PayPal account of the Pacific Bulb Society. Martin has created a very comfortable way of paying for your orders by using a QR-code on the payment slip. Just open the code and the rest is super easy. If you prefer to do it manually: Please make sure that the PBS receives the amount due in US Dollars. Please go to the bottom of the Bulb Exchange page and fill in the details and continue. It guides you directly on to your PayPal account. No cheques or credit cards can be accepted. Enclosed in the order, every recipient will receive a payment slip showing the details, please wait with any payment until you have received your order. Again, if you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact Uli Urban:johannes-ulrich-urban@t-online.de Here's our List: From Martin Bohnet (all bulbs): EX12_065 Amorphophallus konjac EX12_066 Amorphophallus myosuroides Silver Leaf EX12_067 Bletilla formosana EX12_068 Ferraria welwitschii EX12_069 Gladiolus ,,David Hill" (papilio x dalenii) From Peter Dinges (all bulbs): EX12_070   Dahlia coccinea EX12_071   Gloriosa superba From Roland Ludwig: bulbs... EX12_072   Amorphophallus henryi, China, parent ex De Hessenhof EX12_073   Gladiolus papilio nominal form EX12_074   Habranthus x floryi ,Green Base' EX12_075   Thladiantha dubia (weedy in warmer climates!) EX12_076   Typhonium alpinum EX12_077   Zephyranthes morrisclintii, parent ex Nymphaion and seeds: EX12_078   Iris crocea EX12_079   Iris orientalis (= I. ochroleuca var. gigantea) EX12_080   Salvia patens, parents are of the normal dark blue form EX12_081   Talinum paniculatum (weedy in warmer climates!) EX12_082   Tulbaghia ,Pearl' from Angelika Neitzert: bulbs... EX12_083   Bessera elegans ex verberghe EX12_084   Gladiolus oligophebius ex Specks and seeds: EX12_085   Cyrtanthus sanguineus EX12_086   Massonia pustulata "Green Leaves" Parents ex seed from Massonia.com EX12_087   Massonia pustulata "Spottet Leaves" Parents ex seed from Massonia.com from Åke Nordström: Bulbs EX12_088   Haemanthus albiflos (small) and seeds: EX12_089   Alstroemeria psittacina EX12_090   Clivia miniata EX12_091   Ennealophus euryandrus and from Uli Urban (all bulbs) EX12_092   Achimenes ,,Pulcherrima" EX12_093   Achimenes ,,Tetra verschaffelt" EX12_094   Achimenes dulcis EX12_095   Achimenes heterophylla EX12_096   Alocasia ,,Sarian" EX12_097   Alocasia micholitziana EX12_098   Amorphophallus atroviridis EX12_099   Colocasia ,,Jack's Giant" EX12_100   Colocasia ,,Pink China" EX12_101   Eucodonia spec EX12_102   Kohleria ,,Greta" EX12_103   Kohleria ,,Strawberry Fields" EX12_104   xSmithicodonia "RF's Grandiosa" EX12_105   Zantedeschia jucunda Leftovers from EX12 part 1 at full price: EX12_001   Aristea ecklonii EX12_002   Eucomis pallida subsp. pole-evansii EX12_003   Hesperantha coccinea pink form EX12_004   Tigridia pavonia, parent hot-pink EX12_005   Tigridia pavonia, parent rose-pink EX12_009   Agapanthus praecox, OP EX12_010   Albuca humilis, ex Lesotho EX12_011   Albuca setosa EX12_012   Barnardia japonica EX12_013   Cardiospermum halicacarbum, Climber EX12_014   Ennealophus fimbriatus EX12_016   Gloriosa modesta, Climber EX12_018   Iris x norrisii EX12_020   Oxypetalum coeruleum, Climber EX12_021   Passiflora morifolia, Climber EX12_022   Zephyranthes minima EX12_024   Paeonia anomala subsp. veitchii (seed parent deep pink) EX12_027   Paeonia ruprechtiana EX12_029   Ipomoea platensis EX12_030   Vincetoxicum russicum EX12_031   Asparagus plumosus EX12_037   Crocosmia ,Carmine Brillant' EX12_038   Crocosmia ,Pride of Plantation', parent plant ex Marcel de Wagt EX12_039   Eucomis ,Cornwood' EX12_040   Gloriosa modesta EX12_041   Habranthus x floryi ,Green Base' EX12_048   Albuca shawii EX12_049   Cyclamen persicum EX12_050   Cyclamen persicum fringed cultivar EX12_052   Albuca pulchra EX12_053   Begonia spec orange, cane type EX12_055   Canna paniculata EX12_056   Gladiolus dalenii, salmon red EX12_057   Lilium leucanthemum var. centrifolium EX12_058   Lillum formosanum tall form EX12_059   Manfreda maculosa From EX 11 (Fall 25), all seeds at 1$, last time offered: EX11_003   Freesia laxa, reds and whites mixed EX11_022   Convolvulus siculum EX11_023   Delphinium consolida EX11_039   Allium ramosum, springand summer-growing EX11_050   Aloe plicatilis (Kumara plicatilis) EX11_051   Hippeastrum "Dancing Queen" x "Rebecca" EX11_052   Hippeastrum "Happy Valley" x self EX11_053   Massonia spec., aff depressa EX11_095   Allium giganteum EX11_097   Sisyrinchium montanum EX11_101   Iris spuria yellow EX11_102   Anthericum liliago EX11_104   Muscari comosa (syn leopoldia comosa) EX11_600   Iris graminea EX11_601   Liatris aspera EX11_636   Ennealophus euryandrus EX11_637   Iris sibirica EX11_638   Lilium martagon From EX 10 (Spring 25), all seeds at 1$, last time offered: EX10_008   Cardiocrinum giganteum EX10_021   Galtonia saundersiae EX10_033   Allium amphibolum EX10_034   Allium caspium EX10_037   Allium nevskianum EX10_038   Allium protensum EX10_041   Babiana vanzijliae EX10_044   Bellevalia dubia subsp. boissieri EX10_046   Bellevalia tauri EX10_047   Cyclamen graecum EX10_048   Cyclamen graecum f. album EX10_049   Dierama pauciflorum EX10_050   Dietes grandiflora EX10_051   Dietes iridioides EX10_054   Iris stolonifera forms and hybrids with I. hoogiana (Iris Regelia Hybrids) EX10_055   Muscari kerkis EX10_062   Paeonia clusii EX10_065   Paeonia rhodia hybrid pink flowers EX10_067   Romulea clusiana EX10_068   Romulea ramiflora ex Spain, Mallorca EX10_069   Romulea ramiflora ex Golan heights EX10_071   Romulea  rollii EX10_072   Tulipa clusiana var. cashmeriana EX10_076   Araujia sericifera EX10_077   Asclepias curassavica EX10_084   Cyclamen graecum EX10_086   Ornithogalum anguinum EX10_088   Albuca pulchra EX10_089   Albuca abyssinca, syn angolensis EX10_090   Aristolochia gigantea EX10_092   Canna paniculata EX10_093   Gladiolus dalenii EX10_094   Lilium formosanum tall form EX10_095   Lilium leucanthemum centifolium EX10_096   Lilium pumilum Happy browsing! Uli & Martin -- Martin (pronoun: he) ---------------------------------------------- Southern Germany Likely zone 7a _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 30 Apr 2026 09:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <803834432.3194857.1777564454397@mail.yahoo.com> From: Arnold Trachtenberg via pbs Subject: BX and SX arrears Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2026 15:54:14 +0000 (UTC) Drear PBS'ers It's taken me a while to get to the point of writing this note. All the packages for BX 510 and SX 22 have been delivered and only a small portion of members  have reimbursed the Society for the expenses involved. First, We will not be able to provide these membership benefits if payments aren't made on a timely basis.    Second those who fail to pay on a timely basis will be placed on a "no ship list" and future BX and SX distributions will not be honored. ArnoldTreasurer, PBS  _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 30 Apr 2026 11:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Laura Grant via pbs Subject: BX and SX arrears Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2026 13:26:53 -0400 Chasing after payments is unnecessary waste of time. People get busy and forget so 'no ship list' is a good idea. Laura On Thu, Apr 30, 2026, 11:54 AM Arnold Trachtenberg via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > Drear PBS'ers > It's taken me a while to get to the point of writing this note. > All the packages for BX 510 and SX 22 have been delivered and only a small > portion of members have reimbursed the Society for the expenses involved. > First, We will not be able to provide these membership benefits if > payments aren't made on a timely basis. > Second those who fail to pay on a timely basis will be placed on a "no > ship list" and future BX and SX distributions will not be honored. > ArnoldTreasurer, PBS > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest: > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent From pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Thu, 30 Apr 2026 11:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Makiko Goto-Widerman via pbs Subject: BX and SX arrears Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2026 14:04:54 -0400 I have not paid yet. I will pay this weekend. *Makiko Goto-Widerman* Makiko Floral Design Garden Club 501 c 3 MFDgardenclub@gmail.com On Thu, Apr 30, 2026, 1:27 PM Laura Grant via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > Chasing after payments is unnecessary waste of time. > People get busy and forget so 'no ship list' is a good idea. > Laura > > On Thu, Apr 30, 2026, 11:54 AM Arnold Trachtenberg via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > > Drear PBS'ers > > It's taken me a while to get to the point of writing this note. > > All the packages for BX 510 and SX 22 have been delivered and only a > small > > portion of members have reimbursed the Society for the expenses > involved. > > First, We will not be able to provide these membership benefits if > > payments aren't made on a timely basis. > > Second those who fail to pay on a timely basis will be placed on a "no > > ship list" and future BX and SX distributions will not be honored. > > ArnoldTreasurer, PBS > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > Unsubscribe: > > PBS Forum latest: > > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest: > https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbs Unsubscribe: PBS Forum latest:https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?action=recent