Darren, here's another suggestion for lilies in Mexico: try the so-called LA or longiflorum-Asiatic hybrids. These are hybrids with Lilium longiflorum and Asiatic hybrid (not to be confused with oriental hybrid) lilies in their background. In some, the Lilium longiflorum influence is not obvious at all, in others it is more apparent. I'm suggesting this group in particular because some of them evidently have a very slight chill requirement. They also look like typical commercial cut-flower lilies (unlike some of the other lilies suggested, which suggest funerals). This discussion of lilies in Mexico reminds me of a question I've been meaning to ask. Lilies of the Lilium pardalinum group are known to grow far south into California - historically right down to the Mexican border apparently. Does anyone know if any member of the genus Lilium is native to/grows wild in northern Mexico - or has in recent times? And now that we're on the topic of Lilium pardalinum, let me get one more thing off my chest. How many of you have noticed that some catalogs spell this name pardelinum? I've often wondered if that is because they know that they are not selling the true Lilium pardalinum and instead are selling one of the once literally myriad (and now almost entirely lost or forgotten) pardalinum hybrids. One more lily story: several years ago I was in Bangalore, India. Bangalore is in southern India, not far from Mysore, one of the old centers of British interests in India. The Nilgiri Hills were not too far off - as the crow flies, it was about 125 miles to Ootacamund, one of the well known sites for Lilium neilgherrense, and the whole time I was there I could not get Lilium neilgherrense out of my mind. When I told an Indian friend about this, she suggested that I hire a taxi cab for the weekend and head over. I never made it, and I still regret it. As I was typing this, Jane's email arrived: so it's now Lilium wallichianum neilgherrense! Jim McKenney firstname.lastname@example.org Montgomery County, Maryland, UDS, USDA zone 7, where Lilium pardalinum, while not happy, at least persists.