Sun, 07 Apr 2013 22:01:31 PDT
David, I will believe this dish garden nonsense when you send me a plant.  
If you have been growing cactus for 45 years, like I have you, should know  
transport of the seeds is a felony. While they will think you are insane, 
just  call either dept of agriculture or the local FBI and ask them about 
this. I will  gladly pay you to do this. I really mean this!  By the way you are 
correct  that most peyote have fibrous roots because they are cut off the 
main tap root  and raised as cuttings. Do you know what the " Street Value) 
of on peyote  button? There is a nice little reward you can get for turning 
in drug  growers. Where did you get you Degrees in Plant Taxonomy? When I was 
younger I  did teach Taxonomy for more years than I care to  remember, 
Subtle  differences in a plants body structure does not make it a new species. I 
tended  to study Cytogenetics of my plant specimens, looking at genetic 
Well I have wasted enough time with this. I am not a nasty, caustic, bitter 
 person but get you facts straight,please. Russ H.
In a message dated 4/6/2013 10:44:18 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, writes:

I do not  agree with you.  Lophophora williamsii is a well known plant.  It 
similar to L. diffusa, but they can be distinguished.  When I  lived in 
I was somewhat of an expert on cactus and grew  many.  Among my plants was 
williamsii, and of course it  flowered for me.  So far as tap root, only 
grown from seed  will have that.  Most plants are distributed from cuttings 
have  only adventitious roots.  I assure you, that many of those souvenir 
collections sold in the Southwest contained Lophophora williamsii,  though 
sure that none of the Northeasterners who bought those  souvenirs ever ate 
plants.  Regarding its illegality -- it is  native to the U.S.; I'm not 
aware of 
the feds ever exterminating it.   But you're right, it was overcollected, 
contributed to its  rarity.
I no longer live in L.A, and I no longer grow cactus.  Dish gardens of 
are not sold in the Bay Area.

David  E.


Dear david, I am not sure if  you got my other message but I can assure 
they (Growers) do NOT put  peyote cactus plants in dish gardens!The peyote 
cactus  has a drug  that acts like LSD on the brain. Unless you are a 
of the   Native American Church it is a felony to grow and possess the 
I  would  have to look it up but it may have been as far back as !930 that  
it was made  illegal by the feds. Just type in Peyote cactus in a  search 
engine. You are in  for quite a surprise. You must have  confused this 
with something else in  your dish garden. As a  grower of cactus for resale 
can assure you no one in  their right  mind would plant this in a dish 
for resale. If you find a   dish garden with what you are sure  is peyote 
you please send me  a  picture. I am a Botanical Taxonomist and would like 
know what  you are seeing.  By the way peyote grown from seed has a fleshy, 
carrot like taproot, smooth  skin, white flowers and a globular head  
off the taproot. It almost never  clumps in nature unless the  top has been 
cut off. Then the head can resprout,  sometimes with  multiple globular 
heads. It is rare in nature because of over   harvesting for drug use-Russ 

In a message dated 4/5/2013 6:40:26  P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  writes:

A  federal crime to grow peyote?  Peyote is typically  included in those 
cactus plantings sold throughout the  southwest.  I shouldn't doubt  that 
members of this  group grow it, although I doubt any of us use it  as a  

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