Sorry, it’s all too much for me, I have to unsubscribe. Wishing you all the best - Marc Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 9, 2023, at 5:27 PM, Mike via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > Tim, > > > I agree with you whole heartedly. > > I intentionally was brash in my comments to bring about a discussiom we > have danced around for years. > > It’s time for everyone who pays dues to be treated equally. > > If anyone can find a document that says a private board of directors that > is not beholden to the membership is a road to longevity and success please > bring it forward. > > All I’ve seen is yes at first it may be necessary to create the environment > for sustainability. So after 5 years or so it is changed if the board is > strong enough and believes in its mission. > > Create Job descriptions and tools to measure progress. > > We can have an annual zoom meeting and go from there > > Accountability is what will drive us forward fairly and with the right > people in place. > > I think we all want PBS to thrive, id like to hear from Robin and other > board members why this is not a good idea. > > Specifically why. Transparency and an open election of members who want to > take on the challenge is not a good idea. > > > How a nominating committee is better? > > I don’t feel this is a time for silence from the current board? It’s a time > to discuss why the nominating committee is best ? > > Mike > >> On Wed, Aug 9, 2023 at 3:52 PM Tim Eck via pbs < >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: >> >> I think a lot of the credibility issues are due to contrary facts where >> complainers did volunteer and were rebuffed and even denigrated by mispost. >> >> On Wed, Aug 9, 2023 at 1:49 PM Ray Vanveen via pbs < >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: >> >>> Well said. I do appreciate the the volunteers that make the society a >>> success. As for the complainers I do not see them step up and volunteer >>> for a position. But that is the world we live in TODAY SAD >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Aug 9, 2023, at 12:37 AM, Shmuel Silinsky via pbs < >>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> My two cents: >>>> I am not currently a member of PBS, though I have been in the past. I >>> have >>>> donated to the SBC even though I have never asked anything from it. The >>>> point is that PBS, especially from my point of view, is an incredibly >>>> valuable resource. The website / Wiki are amazing and extremely >> useful. I >>>> have seen other plant oriented groups, in particular one dealing with >>>> succulents, that devolved into pointless arguments and offensive >> comments >>>> back and forth until the site was ultimately destroyed. I dearly do not >>>> want that to happen here so please, as an outsider, I hope everyone >> takes >>>> all comments as helpful suggestions and not personal attacks. May the >>> love >>>> of geophytes be the ruling motives and may PBS continue to be a >> wonderful >>>> organization into the future. >>>> >>>>> On Tue, Aug 8, 2023, 3:50 PM Mike via pbs < >>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello All, >>>>> >>>>> Forming a nominating committee. Really in 2023. >>>>> >>>>> I frankly find it elitist and condescending. Also haven’t we had >>> enough of >>>>> this back room politics ? No we need transparency., >>>>> >>>>> I have a much better idea to discuss. Janes committee should be >> focused >>> on >>>>> building coherent job descriptions for each position. Typical duties >>> and >>>>> responsibilities. The most important thing would be an annual review >> to >>>>> goals. >>>>> >>>>> Imagine understanding what the job was knowing how the job was going >> to >>> be >>>>> measured and then deciding if you want to participate what a novel >> idea >>>>> >>>>> We have languished for 4 years in a limbo of ineffective governance >> why? >>>>> Because we still use a system designed to allow the original founders >> to >>>>> stay as long as they wanted and leave when they got bored. >>>>> >>>>> I will provide just one example of how poorly we are doing and have >>> done. >>>>> >>>>> Let’s agree that the BX and SX have the role of generating income for >>> the >>>>> group in fact should be the number one income generator. This is fact >>>>> >>>>> What is the percent of members who have made one donation to the BX/SX >>> in >>>>> the last two years ? I can assure you its way below 1/2. >>>>> >>>>> So this is our life blood and yet, I rarely if ever hear anyone on the >>> Exec >>>>> board other then the two hardest working people in PBS. Jan and >> Bridget. >>>>> They are not discussing it in the same way an executive should. This >>> has >>>>> been one of the biggest blunders allowed to fester in PBS. Our >> primary >>>>> executive should have been the BX/SX biggest cheerleader period. >>> Reminding >>>>> all what it does and encouraging everyone to participate. This never >>>>> happened. >>>>> Let’s go further down this rabbit hole. We have a few big hitters that >>>>> easily donate over half the products sold at our events….What has our >>>>> executive done that is immune to the will of the membership, only >>> beholden >>>>> to a few who are also either out of touch, new or want to be >> president? >>>>> Not a very good group to govern and manage an executive is it. I have >>> seem >>>>> some of these big fish actuallly antagonized by our executive team. >>>>> >>>>> What if they pack up and donate their time and amazing bulbs to other >>>>> groups….maybe its already happened? >>>>> >>>>> These are the members our next President should be close with. I hope >>> our >>>>> next president makes it very clear we are all bound by the honorable >>> common >>>>> sense rule to share..meaning provide and take. >>>>> >>>>> What should we do? The folks that donate. All of us should be noted in >>> the >>>>> winter bulb garden in a Growers. Circle. >>>>> >>>>> The big hitters meaning the top 5 donors in each of the SX and BX >>> should go >>>>> into the President Citcle. >>>>> >>>>> Isn’t that a simple and cost effective way to help solve a huge >> problem? >>>>> >>>>> It’s time for the whole executive structure to be scrapped. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> All of the members I’m acquainted with are very smart and busy people. >>> I >>>>> have a feeling that if they could see job descriptions. They are all >>> mature >>>>> enough to decide if they want to throw their hat in the ring. >>>>> >>>>> In fact in 2023, we need an executive comfortable with social media…so >>> that >>>>> person will chose to participate on their own. We don’t need or want >> a >>>>> person who, own their accord is not aware they have the calling to >>>>> volunteer . >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The nominating committee model is outdated smacks of cronyism and has >> no >>>>> place in the mgt of a bulb group in 2023. >>>>> >>>>> I expect a lively discussion, you should all be outraged that the >> group >>> is >>>>> run this way. >>>>> >>>>> One last thought we have never had a shortage of volunteers we have >> had >>> a >>>>> shortage of people willing to work under a bullying manager , as a >> good >>> use >>>>> of their free time >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Respectfully >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Michael Lowitz >>>>> >>>>> San Diego >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> pbs mailing list >>>>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >>>>> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… >>>>> Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> >>>>> PBS Forum latest: >>>>> https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php/… >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> pbs mailing list >>>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >>>> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… >>>> Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> >>>> PBS Forum latest: >>> https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php/… >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> pbs mailing list >>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >>> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… >>> Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> >>> PBS Forum latest: >>> https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php/… >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… >> Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> >> PBS Forum latest: >> https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php/… >> > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > PBS Forum https://… _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> PBS Forum https://…