Putting the cart before the horse

Tim Eck via pbs pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net
Wed, 09 Aug 2023 15:52:02 PDT
I think a lot of the credibility issues are due to contrary facts where
complainers did volunteer and were rebuffed and even denigrated by mispost.

On Wed, Aug 9, 2023 at 1:49 PM Ray Vanveen via pbs <
pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:

> Well said.  I do appreciate the the volunteers that make the society a
> success.   As for the complainers I do not see them step up and volunteer
> for a position.  But that is the world we live in TODAY SAD
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 9, 2023, at 12:37 AM, Shmuel Silinsky via pbs <
> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:
> >
> > My two cents:
> > I am not currently a member of PBS, though I have been in the past. I
> have
> > donated to the SBC even though I have never asked anything from it. The
> > point is that PBS, especially from my point of view, is an incredibly
> > valuable resource. The website / Wiki are amazing and extremely useful. I
> > have seen other plant oriented groups, in particular one dealing with
> > succulents, that devolved into pointless arguments and offensive comments
> > back and forth until the site was ultimately destroyed. I dearly do not
> > want that to happen here so please, as an outsider, I hope everyone takes
> > all comments as helpful suggestions and not personal attacks. May the
> love
> > of geophytes be the ruling motives and may PBS continue to be a wonderful
> > organization into the future.
> >
> >> On Tue, Aug 8, 2023, 3:50 PM Mike via pbs <
> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello All,
> >>
> >> Forming a nominating committee.  Really in 2023.
> >>
> >> I frankly find it elitist and condescending.  Also haven’t we had
> enough of
> >> this back room politics ? No we need transparency.,
> >>
> >> I have a much better idea to discuss. Janes committee should be focused
> on
> >> building coherent  job descriptions for each position.  Typical duties
> and
> >> responsibilities.  The most important thing would be an annual review to
> >> goals.
> >>
> >> Imagine understanding what the job was knowing how the job was going to
> be
> >> measured and then deciding if you want to participate what a novel idea
> >>
> >> We have languished for 4 years in a limbo of ineffective governance why?
> >> Because we still use a system designed to allow the original founders to
> >> stay as long as they wanted and leave when they got bored.
> >>
> >> I will provide just one example of how poorly we are doing and have
> done.
> >>
> >> Let’s agree that the BX and SX have the role of generating income for
> the
> >> group in fact should be the number one income generator.  This is fact
> >>
> >> What is the percent of members who have made one donation to the BX/SX
> in
> >> the last two years ? I can assure you its way below 1/2.
> >>
> >> So this is our life blood and yet, I rarely if ever hear anyone on the
> Exec
> >> board other then the two hardest working people in PBS. Jan and Bridget.
> >> They are not discussing it in the same way an executive should.  This
> has
> >> been one of the biggest blunders allowed to fester in PBS.  Our primary
> >> executive should have been the BX/SX biggest cheerleader period.
> Reminding
> >> all what it does and encouraging everyone to participate. This never
> >> happened.
> >> Let’s go further down this rabbit hole. We have a few big hitters that
> >> easily donate over half the products sold at our events….What has our
> >> executive done that is immune to the will of the membership, only
> beholden
> >> to a few who are also either out of touch, new or want to be president?
> >> Not a very good group to govern and manage an executive is it. I have
> seem
> >> some of these big fish actuallly antagonized by our executive team.
> >>
> >> What if they pack up and donate their time and amazing bulbs to other
> >> groups….maybe its already happened?
> >>
> >> These are the members our next President  should be close with. I hope
> our
> >> next president makes it very clear we are all bound by the honorable
> common
> >> sense rule to share..meaning provide and take.
> >>
> >> What should we do? The folks that donate. All of us should be noted in
> the
> >> winter bulb garden in a Growers. Circle.
> >>
> >> The big hitters meaning the top 5 donors in each of the SX and BX
> should go
> >> into the President Citcle.
> >>
> >> Isn’t that a simple and cost effective way to help solve a huge problem?
> >>
> >> It’s time for the whole executive structure to be scrapped.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> All of the members I’m acquainted with are very smart and busy people.
>  I
> >> have a feeling that if they could see job descriptions. They are all
> mature
> >> enough to decide if they want to throw their hat in the ring.
> >>
> >> In fact in 2023, we need an executive comfortable with social media…so
> that
> >> person will chose to participate on their own.  We don’t need or want a
> >> person who, own their accord is not aware they have the calling to
> >> volunteer .
> >>
> >>
> >> The nominating committee model is outdated smacks of cronyism and has no
> >> place in the mgt of a bulb group in 2023.
> >>
> >> I expect a lively discussion, you should all be outraged that the group
> is
> >> run this way.
> >>
> >> One last thought we have never had a shortage of volunteers we have had
> a
> >> shortage of people willing to work under a bullying manager , as a good
> use
> >> of their free time
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Respectfully
> >>
> >>
> >> Michael Lowitz
> >>
> >> San Diego
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