Putting IBS Journals online.

David Pilling via pbs pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net
Sat, 16 Mar 2024 11:36:10 PDT
Hi,

Let me try to sort out the subject line on this thread.

PBS has put some digitized versions of IBS publications online:

https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…

There follow three quoted posts from other people on this topic.

Please don't re-post digests and get the subject line right. No 
criticism, but given the short comings of the mail list software...


On 13/03/2024 23:16, R Mitchel BEAUCHAMP via pbs wrote:
> 
> As a former editor of Plant Life/Herbertia, I was wondering who gave permission to make these journals available digitally?
> 
> R Mitchel Beauchamp
> 

On 16/03/2024 17:34, Kipp McMichael via pbs wrote:
 > Mitch,
 >
 >    You replied to the digest email so the context of your question is 
lost but I remember the topic.
 >
 >    No one is making money off of these pdfs and the work put into 
creating them makes content available that would otherwise be 
inaccessible. I am going to wager neither you, the other editors nor any 
of the contributors to these journals were paid for their work. The pdfs 
preserve all attributions of their original content creators. The 
members of the society that created this journal paid their membership 
dues and received these journals for their payment. The society itself 
is now defunct.
 >
 >    What, exactly, would be the purpose of concerning ourselves with 
who gave permission to create these pdfs? Who is being harmed by them 
being made available? Should we be concerned about whether the authors 
of the Herculaneum scrolls or the illuminators of the Book of Kells gave 
permission to have their content made digitally available?
 >
 >    Too much human knowledge is trapped behind journal paywalls 
already. More, still, is lost to pointless concerns about securing 
"permission to share" material that was created by people who wanted to 
share their knowledge in their first place. I cannot imagine a single 
author or photographer who created this work being concerned about 
whether more people get to enjoy it as long as attributions is 
maintained. I say this as an author and photographer of published content.
 >
 >    Forgive my rant, but we have to be the change we want to see in 
the world.
 >
 > -|<ipp
 >



On 16/03/2024 18:03, Robert Lauf via pbs wrote:
 >   I agree with most of Kipp's comments, with a few quibbles.
 > First, our distaste for paywalls does not, in itself, give us the 
moral or legal right to publish pirated content.
 > That said, and I believe we as a club have had the discussion at the 
beginning of this activity, the pertinent facts, which no one likely 
knows, would be:
 > 1. Did the journal have authors sign a copyright release?2. If so, 
the copyright belongs to the defunct society.  When that society went 
belly up, did some other org receive its remaining assets, including 
publication rights?
 > Whether or not we're making money off this is immaterial.  What would 
matter is if the actual copyright holder wants to make money off the 
content, the copyright holder might come after us, sue, demand we remove 
the content, and/or seek other remedies.  This is extraordinarily 
unlikely given the obscure nature of the content.  This stuff isn't 
exactly Harry Potter.  If it happens, we can take it down.
 > I agree with Kipp that our aims are purely altruistic, and I would 
expect that any of the authors, if they are still living, would likely 
be happy to see it.  As a fellow author, I understand the desire for 
anything that gets our content in front of interested readers.
 > Bob   Zone 7   dividing Sarracenias today



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