Thanks Rob, Mine have leaves, they just don't put on weight! The bulbs are still less than a centimetre across after about three years. Are the leaves of B. radulosa also prostrate, or nearly so? My sample are lanceolate whereas my B. gregarii are nearer to parallel sided leaves, being sufficiently different that I am sure they are different plants. Regards Hamish -----Original Message----- From: Robert Hamilton [smtp:///robhamilton@trump.net.au] Sent: 14 January 2003 10:43 To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: Brunsvigia Hi Hamish, > B. gregarii (-ii or -ia? The leaves are certainly prostrate.) > B. natalensis > B. radulosa These three are all small seedlings still and I am not > having much luck in getting them moving. Perhaps compost not porous > enough. > Bring on to surface of compost even though still small? What > temperature is > best for the winter growth? Mine have to be in the greenhouse. B natalensis and radulosa are from summer rainfall areas and some gregaria's can grow in summer rainfall areas. B radulosa is in growth for me at present having appeared in early December. Yours are probably just dormant. Cheers, Rob in Tasmania