Dear All, Thanks everyone for your participation. It has been great. I would like to respond. Thanks to Diana for her comments about the multiplication of the corms. I have a whole raised bed full of Dichelostemma capitatum (12 years old and never replanted). I always get blooms, but not nearly the number you would expect with all the ones that are no doubt there. I too remember there were more corms in the test plot where corms were lifted every year at the end of the experiment, but I was afraid to trust my memory. So it sounds like if we want more blooms and corms you have to divide them frequently. Considering how many they make we may have to start eating them! I can probably provide lots of tiny ones to the BX for those people wanting to experiment. As for the shade from weeds preventing blooms I have another story to tell. In Southern California there is a place celebrated for its wild flower displays. For years they struggled with weeds and how to get rid of them. Finally one year they watered really well to get the weed seed to germinate and then covered the area with black plastic to kill the emerging plants. When they removed the cover so they could plant seed of what they wanted, they found a whole field of Dichelostemma coming up. It was there, but they didn't know it. So some of you may not have lost your corms. Fire works in the same way for our natives and those in other Mediterranean climates. It clears out the competition for one thing. I am surprised that more people are not growing D. multiflorum since it too should be hardy. It was Jim Robinett's favorite I remember him telling me. For me it is one of the more reliable bloomers, but of course it could be it just likes my climate. I don't think it offsets quite as much which in my mind is an advantage since I am not in business to sell them. Perhaps as Diana says the ones for sale in quantities are the ones that offset the most. Dichelostemma pulchellum is on old name that has been replaced by D. capitatum. Those of us who have cherished old books will find all kinds of old names. I've never known anyone growing the subspecies from the desert so it was nice to read that Shawn grows it. (Dichelostemma capitatum ssp. pauciflorum) Certainly he has been living in the correct places for it. What were the flowers like Shawn compared to D. c. ssp. c. and did you like it? It would be great to have a picture of it for the wiki so we could compare it with the other subspecies. And no, I'm not going to want it as I am sure I live in too wet a place for its liking. Ookow is the common name for D. congestum and occasionally D. multiflorum. I guess we will need to keep searching for what it means and how to pronounce it (although all of us who have followed our discussion on the topic of pronunciation know it doesn't matter!). I always am amused when a common name can be more challenging that the botanical name as most of my hiking buddies insist that common names are the most they can handle. I don't think any of them remembers Ookow. D. capitatum is commonly known as Blue Dicks and everyone remembers that. Which one do you think you have in your field Kenneth? You should be able to tell from my attempts to clarify how to tell them apart. All three can be found in Oregon. I have looked at catalogs of Pink Diamond and know that if I didn't grow any of the others I'd think it was really beautiful. It is beautiful, but it looks the wrong color to me since I so love D. ida-maia so I have resisted trying it and nothing like it has appeared in my garden. So someone else will have to report on how good a long term plant it is and whether it sets seed and what the seedlings are like. I know Jane is going to give it a try. Finally I'd like to comment on what Jamie said about growing from seed. With the Brodiaeas and Triteleias I have become enchanted with the differences in the plants grown from different wild collected seed. I had a Triteleia first bloom for me in January and have had one or the other blooming since with the ones in the ground really nice right now. Triteleia ixioides ssp. scabra that was called 'Tiger' by Jim Robinett and Diana thinks should be a subspecies of its own is the early blooming one that started in January. There are pictures on the wiki of it and I have collected seed of it which I will be sending to the BX. It is a marvelous plant. And while you are looking be sure and look at the picture Bob took of Triteleia lilacina. When Triteleia was the topic of the week I gave it a vote of confidence because of its shiny center and blue anthers. Mine have never offset at all. They are available from Telos however. I have a couple of Triteleia laxas blooming from seed for the first time this year which are really different from others I grow. I will be adding more pictures of these different forms of T. laxa and more pictures of T. bridgesii which has been looking very beautiful lately when I find the time. http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/… Mary Sue Mary Sue Ittner California's North Coast Wet mild winters with occasional frost Dry mild summers