At 08:17 PM 12/22/2004 -0800, Diane Whitehead wrote: >Were those seeds sitting in packets while they aged or were they in soil? Those seeds sat around the house for years at room temperature. About ten years ago they were put into the household refrigerator, along with the remainder of the seed collection. A few items went into the freezer, but most are in the refrigerator. The freezer is probably the better choice for truly long term storage. In my experience, Ipomoea tricolor cultivars do not self sow here. In fact, it's unusual for them to ripen seed. Some Pharbitis purpurea (Ipomoea purpurea) cultivars do self seed and come back year after year from seed in the soil. About four months ago I cultivated a section of the garden which had not been touched for years. Seedlings soon appeared of both Euphorbia lathyris and Onopordum acanthium, neither of which has flowered or set seed here in recent years. Some seed of Lilium pumilum from the season 2002 started to show germination within a month. This seed came from the refrigerator. In the bad old days, it was widely believed that lily seed more than a year old was worthless. My cold frames are now packed with pots of newly sown seed - some of it current, some of it old. A few of these are geophytes, most are not. If there is an interest in the group with respect to the results, I'll post them as they occur. Jim McKenney firstname.lastname@example.org Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, where old seed is always given a trial because I have a hard time believing that dead is always really dead.