Tupila batalinii & linifolia

Jamie Jamievande@freenet.de
Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:01:48 PST

I concur that they are very distinct.  I grow both and the leaves are
different, the colours are different, the season is different and the
heights are different.  Whether Bronze Charm is a hybrid, I couldn't guess,
but I wouldn't have thought so.  Other than colour, it closely resembles the
other two T. batalinii clones in my garden, but then, who knows.

In Europe we have had a sudden rush of small species tulipa on the market,
some undoubtedly with spurious names, but most are quite distinct.  I don't
know if they have hit the USA markets or not.  Typically I see T.
urumiensis, T. tarda, T. turkestanica, T. saxitalis, T. sprengeri, T.
maximowiczii, T. winnowgradii, T. whittallii, T. marjolettii, T.linifolia,
T. clusiana (various cvs), T. batalinii (var. cvs) and T. acuminata. T.
humilis is available as various cultivars, such as Persian Pearl, Violacea
or Pulchella, but I am not sure if these are valid names!  They are all
quite inexpensive, so I plant all that hit my fancy!  All are lovely, but
not all adapt to our wet winter weather!


Jamie V.

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Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 7:17 PM
Subject: [pbs] Tupila batalinii & linifolia

> It was written:
> >Tulipa batalini has made more than one
> >list from more than one area. It was
> >on my list. John has pointed out that
> >it really is a clone of Tulipa
> >linifolia. We probably need to fix that
> >on the wiki. Do you have a suggestion
> >John for how we can write it to
> >distinguish between the beautiful red
> >flowered ones and the ones you can
> >still buy commercially as T. batalini
> >with all the shades of yellow? Would
> >it just be Tulipa linifolia (yellow
> >clone often referred to as T. batalini)?
> It is my understanding that Tulipa batalinii and T. linifolia are two
separate species, taxonomically recognized as such, and are quite distinct
and easily recognized. Granted, Tulipa taxonomy is a mess, but perhaps no
more a mess than most other genera.
> I'd doing the combination Alpine-L /PBS topic of the week for in Febraury,
on Dwarf Tulipa, so I hesitate to open up a big discussion on this now and
dilute the topic too early on. But I will offer some bits of info:
> 1.  A useful recent publication (albeit in Czech) is a taxonomic paper by
Petrova E. Faberovai, Descriptor List - Genus Tulipa L., published in 2000.
The PDF accessed from the link below, while in Czech, has pages 18-20 in
English, with the latest enumeration of species and synonyms, a blurb on
taxonomy, and a short bibliography.  Since I can't read the rest, I can only
conjecture that a portion of the species is listed here, not the entire
genus of ~150 species.  In this paper, the two species in question are
listed as two separate species.
> http://genbank.vurv.cz/genetic/resources/…
> 2.  Another good source is the Hoog and Dix website:
> http://www.hoogdix.com/
> Click on Descriptive Catalog, then on Tulipa. This firm is directly
responsible for many of the old, now famous bulb selections, along with Van
Tubergen.  The listing of species is fairly exhaustive, with brief history
on each, and it's a valuable resource in own right.
> 3.  I think the linifolia confusion comes from the fact, at least one of
the cultivars of T. batalinii, namely 'Bronze Charm', reputedly derived from
a cross with T. linifolia and introduced by Van Tubergen.  Many of the other
cultivars derived from "sports" in cultivation, or garden pollinated seed.
Thus batalinii has a reputation of not being "pure" these days, but some
specialty dealers sell the pure species and advertise it as so.
> 4.  Tulipa linifolia is a quite well known and distinctive species. When
the flowers open out flat, the tepals are so wide that the form a stunning
rotate flower, yet with the ends of the fat tepals abruptly contracted to a
fine pointy tip... unmistakeable.  It's also always startling because of the
shiny brilliant red flower color, with jet black center. Tulipa batalinii on
the other hand has yellow flowers (apparently somewhat variable shades of
yellow in the wild), with upright cup-shaped or open lily-flowered blooms.
They look VERY different.
> For these reasons, I think the wiki images on these two species should
rename unchanged, although I will add to my photos of batalinii 'Bronze
Charm' that there is probably some linifolia blood in that cultivar.
> Mark McDonough
> Pepperell, Massachusetts, United States
> "New England", near New Hampshire
> USDA Zone 5
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