I just remembered one other thing about Lilium candidum which may be of interest to growers here in eastern North America. Thirty or forty years ago there was a plant of Lilium candidum, one plant, which was growing on a south-east facing hillside in an oak forest on the grounds of the US National Arboretum. I have no idea how long that plant grew there. Its companions included, in addition to the oaks, camellias. The site was presumably strongly acidic. I saw this plant several times over the course of several years. I remember seeing it late in its growing season, well after it had bloomed, and the stem was easily six feet high - much higher than typical plants in our climate. Was the height due to the low light conditions as the inflorescence developed? This plant would have been exposed to lots of sunlight from late November to well into May when the oaks leafed out. As I recall, the accession tag indicated that the plant was Turkish in origin. Jim McKenney email@example.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7 where I'm old enough to have lots of memories but not so old that I have to worry about getting them all written down soon - I hope!