Dear Lee, David and all - Yes I have tried Josef Halda's seed multiple times without germination. I understand few people have 'decent ' germination on any of the species of Ungernia that he offers. The one person I have heard of who did get 'decent' germination had no survival. Don't know what to make of it as many people find his other seed of excellent quality. Some day, some one, some where ... will have some success and make fresh seed available. I'm trying. Best wishes. Jim W. ps Incidentally I just got a long article on the unusual structure of the Ungernia bulb (in German), but I'll post an English summary here soon. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F +