I don't know, Lee. Based on the information you just provided, you've become the PBS expert on Ungernia, and I'm going to figure out how to do a night raid as soon as possible. Maybe Jim W. knows some details. Putting the ball back in your court (tennis analogy), what exactly did you do to get successful germination? Please share. Thanks, and sorry I'm no help. Quoting Lee Poulsen <wpoulsen@pacbell.net>: > And they do seem to be getting marginally larger leaved each time they > leaf out. So do any of the experts (Are there such things as Ungernia > experts?)