In message <p0624082ac82e420531ae@[192.168.0.101]>, James Waddick <jwaddick@kc.rr.com> writes > I live in Zone 5/6. We have really cold winters and really >not summers. Most garden visitors are surprised to see all the Crinum What would be a good Crinum for the climate here - not cold Winter (zone 8-9) and cold wet Summer (max temp 70F). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net/ post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941