Greetings, Now that Ms. Saunders has stated unequivocally that selling rescue bulbs is illegal in South Africa, I will inquire further into the situation of the supplier who offered these bulbs. I was under the impression that the South African government does have in place procedures that allow limited sale of properly documented rescue material (such is the case here in the US, for instance). Hopefully I can uncover whether these truly are rescue bulbs, rather than merely poached bulbs being sold with a rescue cover story. The money to be made in selling rescue bulbs can, on the one hand, encourage people to plunder bulbs under no threat. It can also, however, allow excess capacity (and by all measures development in South Africa continues to outpace the ability for conservators to relocate threatened plants) to be dispersed to those with an interest in establishing non-wild sources for these bulbs. All South African suppliers, both those "proven and known for a long time" and those who prove to be disreputable, require payment for their merchandise. In dealing with foreign suppliers, a certain amount of trust is necessary for any kind of trade to occur. The best that we can do is to take note of and selectively patronize those who display ethical business practices. To put it another way, I will not choose to be party to supporting, directly or indirectly, the indiscriminate plundering of wild populations of any of the plants I grow. I am not troubled, however, by the notion that ethically rescued bulbs may sometimes be sold to interested parties. -|<ipp > From: ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:18:23 +0000 > Subject: Re: [pbs] south african amaryllids > > > Kipp, if you are supporting the plundering of wild plants or animals it is irrelevant if they are for propagation or not. Paying for this material only encourages further plundering and it has been so forever. > > > Again, I am puzzled by this search of new sources when there are several that are proven and known for a long time. > > > > Greetings, > > > > This is very disappointing to hear. I have already received bulbs from this company and now it seems they are not as reputable as I had every reason to believe previously. At least my intent for these bulbs is propagation. It is unfortunate how fraught with unintended harm the exotic bulb hobby can be... > > > > -|<ipp > > > > > From: silverhill@yebo.co.za > > > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > > Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 13:10:43 +0200 > > > Subject: Re: [pbs] south african amaryllids > > > > > > The selling of plants rescued from development sites is illegal in South > > > Africa, so I suggest that you do not support this company. > > > Regards > > > Rachel Saunders > > > Silverhill Seeds and Books > > > Tel: +27 21 762 4245 > > > Fax: +27 21 797 6609 > > > PO Box 53108, > > > Kenilworth, > > > 7745 South Africa > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Alberto Castillo" <ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com> > > > To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 7:14 PM > > > Subject: Re: [pbs] south african amaryllids > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They rescue bulbs to sell them? This is the world upside down! I would > > > > encourage every one not to support this aberrhation > > > > > > > > > > > >> I am still waiting for my payee bulbs from last year > > > >> from this seller > > > >> and I am not the only one > > > >> > > > >> PM my personal if you want to know more > > > >> > > > >> Roland > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> 2011/3/16 Kipp McMichael <kimcmich@hotmail.com>: > > > >> > > > > >> > Greetings, > > > >> > > > > >> > A South African nursery from whom I regularly purchase bulbs has > > > >> > informed me > > > >> that they have a large allotment of rescue bulbs from sites in the > > > >> northern, > > > >> western Cape. The list of bulbs includes: Ammocharis longifolia, > > > >> Ammocharis > > > >> coranica, Boophane haemanthoides, Boophone disticha, Brunsvigia > > > >> bosmaniae, > > > >> Brunsvigia gregaria, Brunsvigia orientalis, Gethyllis afra, Gethyllis > > > >> linearis, > > > >> Haemanthus humilis and Haemanthus pubescens. These are all large, mature > > > >> bulbs. > > > >> Please send me a note off-list and I can give you the pricelist and > > > >> contact > > > >> information of the seller. > > > >> > > > > >> > -|<ipp > > > >> > > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > > >> > pbs mailing list > > > >> > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > > >> > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > >> > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> R de Boer > > > >> La Maugardiere 1 > > > >> F 27260 EPAIGNES > > > >> FRANCE > > > >> > > > >> Phone./Fax 0033-232-576-204 > > > >> Email: bulborum@gmail.com > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> pbs mailing list > > > >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > > >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> pbs mailing list > > > >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > > >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > pbs mailing list > > > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > pbs mailing list > > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/