easy pass for small quantities of dry bulbs

Adam Fikso adam14113@ameritech.net
Mon, 24 Jan 2011 10:38:20 PST
  Sounds good, Bill. NIce presentation.  

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From: "William Aley" <aley_wd@me.com>
To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: [pbs] easy pass for small quantities of dry bulbs

> It's a difficult dilemma for bulbs, when there are plant pests that  
> only manifest during the green stage.  Even a phytosanitary  
> certificate cannot verify that there are no hidden pests and  the  
> challenge will be convincing scientist- pathologists, nematologists  
> and entomologists that any bulb is free of all plant pests without  
> conducting destructive analysis to verify this.  I am open to  
> suggestions, ideas and solutions.
> Joyce has asked us in the past about what it would take to have a  
> small lots of plants permit and we have the scientists reply with "how  
> do you know the bulbs are free of plant pests?"
> That is the purpose of the NAPPRA, which will require a pest risk  
> assessment before any Genera and or Species will be considered  
> generally enterable. This is another LONG winded topic.
> As I mentioned earlier, seeds are for the most part free of many  
> destructive plant pests. Other plant parts have pathways for plant  
> pests: stem borers, leaf minors, egg layers, cankers, galls, cysts,  
> spores and fungus each plant pest has a particular process to ensure  
> survivability and in this modern era transportation to a new  
> environment.  I don't think anyone in this group wants to be known as  
> the importer responsible for a blight,  new rust or plant pest that  
> uses the imported plant as primary or an alternative host which might  
> attack other plants both commercial or for hobbyists.  For regulators  
> there is the balance between enough information to have a high level  
> of confidence  and pest freedom and not so restrictive to be a barrier  
> for  free trade.
> One new pest out break can cost thousands to millions of dollars to  
> clean up.
> Take Hosta X virus, not even a quarantine pest but a quality plant  
> pest that the Hosta Folks are very concerned about, each shipment  
> imported into the USA must pass a screening to have only a total of  
> plants below a 5% contamination per shipment, the individual test is  
> not cheap and someone pays for the test, time and validation during  
> the in inspection, you do as it's all funded by taxpayer and user  
> fees. Would anyone-one be willing  to pay $300 for an import permit to  
> fund inspection and verification at the port of entry for any  
> particular shipment? Usually there is a universal no to that question  
> and then our managers must balance perception with the current trend  
> to make government smaller.
> But we still have pests like emerald ash borer that will make American  
> Ash tree go the way of the American Chestnut, Asian longhorn beetles  
> that feed uncontrolled on hardwood trees. Barberry rusts that  
> overwinter on barberries and kill certain annual grasses like wheat.  
> Don't even get me started on Phytophthora.
> Our entire staff works to look for the balance and constructive  
> suggestions are always welcomed, were just folk who have this as our  
> job, just like many of you deliver or make or fix something for a  
> living.
> Our staff  has no problem giving credit where it is due when folks  
> come up with great solutions to the existing dilemmas as the rules we  
> have now are what have been in place at least from 1979 and often way  
> before that. Any positive movement to that balance would be an  
> improvement. But remember that many people view us as the plant nazis  
> or mindless bureaucrats who live for the opportunity to screw over the  
> population. There is a reason why many of my counterparts refuse to be  
> in a public forum to discuss these issues and their absence is often a  
> reflection of vitriolic comments from folks that think they know a lot  
> but may be missing some of the information, understand the rules that  
> restrict or control legal options  or even the history of how we got  
> to this place we are at today.
> To be honest, we in the regulatory side don't have all the answers, I  
> don't think we claim to be the experts in everything. Often groups  
> that have an affinity for a particular subject are far more equipped  
> at being experts because they have a collective passion for the  
> subject. I really believe that one of you may just come up with a  
> suggestion that would work and make sense or galvanize a collective to  
> accept a stance not previously thought of.
> Individually each of us have our passions and needs and wants, but  
> collectively the resources and knowledge is far greater and that when  
> harnessed can help make this little , tiny, slow moving and often  
> insignificant part of government work just a little bit better so more  
> people have a level of satisfaction rather than disappointment.  
> Perhaps that's what's meant by saying, "We the people"
> Bill's soapbox about import options
> On Jan 24, 2011, at 8:24 AM, r de vries wrote:
>> Great idea!
>> but they still have to be free of dirt and bugs and will likely  
>> require someone to certify that....
>> Rimmer de Vries
>>  Michael Mace wrote:
>>  And in the meantime, I think it would be *great* to see if we can
>> get something similar to the small lots of seed program applied to  
>> small
>> quantities of dry bulbs.  I'm interested in pursuing that. Is anyone  
>> else
>> interested?
>> Mike
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