>I guess I phrased things lousily - I HAVE "Miner" and am looking for >socialis w/data. > >BTW, do you have the socialis formerly known as "pauciflora?" Dave S and all, I am still in the dark here. Please review what this 'Miner' form of L. "socialis" (or whatever it is ) is. I do have the old pauciflora and would be glad to make an exchange for 'Miner'. Aaron Floden usually keeps current on these - any reply from Aaron? This genus and its close relatives needs a thorough review or is it just me? Best Jim W. ps Is there a wiki entry for 'Miner' ? -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F +