Thanks Mike, Please feel free to suggest/lecture all you want. My son and new grandson live with me so their memories will be shaped by the things I grow in this rain forsaken, gopher infested, rabbit plagued, deer trampled, rabbit warrened landscape. Thanks again, Wood On Sunday, August 31, 2014 1:41 PM, Michael Mace <michaelcmace@gmail.com> wrote: Hi, Wood! Kagel Canyon, eh? That's a beautiful area. (For folks who don't know, it's in the mountains on the edge of Los Angeles.) I grew up in Granada Hills, about seven miles west of you. My family used to take drives up into the mountains on weekends, to look at scenery and plants. The jagged, dry mountains are cut by canyons that are surprisingly lush and cool. There are a few old homesites along streams up there, with the homes long gone, where daffodils have naturalized in the thousands and bloom in the spring. The weather in the mountains is just cold enough to give the daffs the necessary chill. Wood, I'm tempted to give you a lecture on the incredible range of summer-dry bulbs you can grow in southern California that you can't grow in Louisiana. But I think everyone should grow what they love, and the nice thing about your climate is that it's flexible enough to grow almost anything (as long as you can get enough water!). I'm afraid I can't help you with the summer-wet bulbs you specialize in, but I'm sure you'll find folks on this list who can. Welcome! Mike San Jose, CA PS: If you get adventurous, you might want to try some of the Amaryllids that are adapted to your new climate. I'm thinking about Amaryllis (the species), Brunsvigia, etc. They'll be very easy for you to grow, and look similar to your Crinums and Hippeastrums, but with a different growth pattern. They're also very resistant to gophers. I should have some seeds to share this winter if you're interested. Let me know...