pbs Digest, Vol 151, Issue 16

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>   1. Re: Haemanthus growth trigger (James SHIELDS)
>   2.  Glad Whatever (Travis O)
>   3. Re: Glad Whatever (Leo Martin)
>   4. Re: Haemanthus growth trigger (Kenneth Preteroti)
>   5. SX3 is closed (Steve Marak)
>   6. Re: Haemanthus growth trigger (Kenneth)
>   7. Re: Haemanthus growth trigger (Peter Taggart)
>   8. Re: Glad Whatever (John Ralph Carpenter)
>   9. Re: Glad Whatever (Dennis Kramb)
>  10. Re: Glad Whatever (Bracey Tiede)
>  11. Re: Glad Whatever (Peter Taggart)
>  12. Re: Glad Whatever (Sarah Hinckley)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 11:54:51 -0400
> From: James SHIELDS <jshields46074@gmail.com>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Haemanthus growth trigger
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> Hi Stephen,
> 
> In my experience, the winter-growing sorts are triggered by temperatures
> (chilly nights) and probably also the calendar.  An occasional flood in the
> greenhouse does not usually start them growing in mid-summer.  Cool nights
> in June do not start the bulbs to flowering.
> 
> Jim
> 
> On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 7:50 PM, Stephen Putman <putman@pobox.upenn.edu>
> wrote:
> 
>> I'm trying to learn about Haemanthus.  I've had reasonable success with
>> the summer growing and the evergreen species, but less satisfactory results
>> with winter growing.
>> 
>> What is the trigger for new growth in these winter growing species in
>> autumn?  Is it temperature?  This would mean to wait for an appropriate
>> temperature and then water.  If the trigger is water, then the issue would
>> be at what temperatures would a moist medium be beneficial, and when fatal?
>> 
>> Any other bits of knowledge about this topic would be gladly received by
>> me, and possibly others who are not yet expert in the growing of these most
>> interesting plants.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Stephen Putman in central Delaware about a mile from the Delaware Bay, in
>> the middle of the Cedar Swamp Wildlife Management Area.  No potted plants
>> in bloom, but a nice show in the garden.
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 09:10:17 -0700
> From: Travis O <enoster@hotmail.com>
> To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: [pbs]  Glad Whatever
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> Judy,
> 
> Isn't tangential discussion the point of a conversation (within reason)?
> 
> I think it is great that the farmers are doing that. I wonder if there is a reduction in cost for growing gladies (lol) over corn or soy. In my experience corn and soy are water hogs, I have gladds that get virtually no summer water yet still flower well, and increase.
> 
> Travis Owen
> Rogue River, OR
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 09:53:24 -0700
> From: Leo Martin <stnalpsoel@gmail.com>
> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Glad Whatever
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>> But I am not aware of any collective naming of flowers.
> 
> Bouquet?
> 
> Leo Martin
> Zone 9?
> Phoenix Arizona USA
> 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 13:11:43 -0400
> From: Kenneth Preteroti <k.preteroti@verizon.net>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Haemanthus growth trigger
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> Great question Stephen. Hopefully you will receive responses from the east coast growers that have like conditions to yours. However I believe there may not be a black or white answer. Amaryllids maintain their roots during dormancy. So I have been giving my winter growers some water through the summer in the greenhouse. They are in a very porous mix in clay pots. Same for the summer growers during their winter dormancy in the basement. I would like to know also. 
> 
> Ken P
> Old Bridge, NJ
> Zone 6 b
> 
>> On Aug 13, 2015, at 7:50 PM, Stephen Putman <putman@pobox.upenn.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm trying to learn about Haemanthus.  I've had reasonable success with the summer growing and the evergreen species, but less satisfactory results with winter growing.
>> 
>> What is the trigger for new growth in these winter growing species in autumn?  Is it temperature?  This would mean to wait for an appropriate temperature and then water.  If the trigger is water, then the issue would be at what temperatures would a moist medium be beneficial, and when fatal?
>> 
>> Any other bits of knowledge about this topic would be gladly received by me, and possibly others who are not yet expert in the growing of these most interesting plants.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Stephen Putman in central Delaware about a mile from the Delaware Bay, in the middle of the Cedar Swamp Wildlife Management Area.  No potted plants in bloom, but a nice show in the garden.
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 12:26:19 -0500
> From: Steve Marak <samarak@gizmoworks.com>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: [pbs] SX3 is closed
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> The arrival rate for requests has fallen off to zero, so SX3 is closed.
> 
> Packages should start going out early next week.
> 
> Steve
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 13:47:02 -0400
> From: Kenneth <k.preteroti@verizon.net>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Haemanthus growth trigger
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> Opps forgot this. I wait for signs of growth, leaves or flowers. Then water.
> 
> Ken P
> Old Bridge, NJ
> Zone 6b
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 19:37:12 +0100
> From: Peter Taggart <petersirises@gmail.com>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Haemanthus growth trigger
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> I agree with Jim, and caution against being quick to water Summer dormant
> bulbs, in pots, too early. Watering early, if it is done, should be no more
> than a light damping down. The species of Haemanthus which I have grown do
> not need a drenching to tell them when to grow.
> Wait for fluctuating Autumn temperatures.
> Peter (UK)
> 
>> On 14 August 2015 at 16:54, James SHIELDS <jshields46074@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Stephen,
>> 
>> In my experience, the winter-growing sorts are triggered by temperatures
>> (chilly nights) and probably also the calendar.  An occasional flood in the
>> greenhouse does not usually start them growing in mid-summer.  Cool nights
>> in June do not start the bulbs to flowering.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 7:50 PM, Stephen Putman <putman@pobox.upenn.edu>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> What is the trigger for new growth in these winter growing species in
>>> autumn?  Is it temperature?  This would mean to wait for an appropriate
>>> temperature and then water.  If the trigger is water, then the issue
>> would
>>> be at what temperatures would a moist medium be beneficial, and when
>> fatal?
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 20:05:00 +0100
> From: John Ralph Carpenter <ralph.carpenter1@googlemail.com>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Glad Whatever
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> "But I am not aware of any collective naming of flowers". A bunch? A posy?
> An arrangement?
> 
>> On 14 August 2015 at 01:45, Judy Glattstein <jgglatt@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> O.K. Call it what you will - sword lily, gladiolus, pluralize as gladioli,
>> "common speak" as gladiola - my whole reason for posting was not to start a
>> dialog on the proper name for more than one gladiolus. It was to say "Isn't
>> this a nice thing for the corn and soybean farmer to do, raise a whole lot
>> of these corms and donate the flowers for hospital patients." Which
>> apparently was so minor a thought as to be completely overlooked.
>> 
>> In venery there are some wonderful collective nouns, in some instances
>> refined as to whether the group - geese in this instance - are in the air
>> (a skein or wedge), on the ground (a flock or gaggle), or on the water (a
>> plump of geese.) But I am not aware of any collective naming of flowers.
>> 
>> Judy
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> Ralph Carpenter
> 2 & 3 Stone Cottages
> Chilmington Green
> Great Chart
> Ashford
> Kent TN23 3DW
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 15:18:58 -0400
> From: Dennis Kramb <dkramb@badbear.com>
> To: John Ralph Carpenter <ralph.carpenter1@googlemail.com>,    Pacific
>    Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Glad Whatever
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> In my garden I call them a drift.   "Look at that drift of dandelions
> (burdock/thistle/etc.)!"
> 
> Dennis in Cincinnati (who enjoys growing glads)
> 
> On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 3:05 PM, John Ralph Carpenter via pbs <
> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
> 
>> "But I am not aware of any collective naming of flowers". A bunch? A posy?
>> An arrangement?
>> 
>>> On 14 August 2015 at 01:45, Judy Glattstein <jgglatt@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> O.K. Call it what you will - sword lily, gladiolus, pluralize as
>> gladioli,
>>> "common speak" as gladiola - my whole reason for posting was not to
>> start a
>>> dialog on the proper name for more than one gladiolus. It was to say
>> "Isn't
>>> this a nice thing for the corn and soybean farmer to do, raise a whole
>> lot
>>> of these corms and donate the flowers for hospital patients." Which
>>> apparently was so minor a thought as to be completely overlooked.
>>> 
>>> In venery there are some wonderful collective nouns, in some instances
>>> refined as to whether the group - geese in this instance - are in the air
>>> (a skein or wedge), on the ground (a flock or gaggle), or on the water (a
>>> plump of geese.) But I am not aware of any collective naming of flowers.
>>> 
>>> Judy
>>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Ralph Carpenter
>> 2 & 3 Stone Cottages
>> Chilmington Green
>> Great Chart
>> Ashford
>> Kent TN23 3DW
>> 
>> 01233 637567
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> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 12:26:01 -0700
> From: "Bracey Tiede" <tiede@pacbell.net>
> To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Glad Whatever
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> Thinking larger - A field of flowers? A garden of flowers? 
> 
> Bracey
> San Jose CA
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> On Behalf Of John Ralph Carpenter via pbs
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 12:05 PM
> To: Pacific Bulb Society
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Glad Whatever
> 
> "But I am not aware of any collective naming of flowers". A bunch? A posy?
> An arrangement?
> 
>> On 14 August 2015 at 01:45, Judy Glattstein <jgglatt@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> O.K. Call it what you will - sword lily, gladiolus, pluralize as gladioli,
>> "common speak" as gladiola - my whole reason for posting was not to start
> a
>> dialog on the proper name for more than one gladiolus. It was to say
> "Isn't
>> this a nice thing for the corn and soybean farmer to do, raise a whole lot
>> of these corms and donate the flowers for hospital patients." Which
>> apparently was so minor a thought as to be completely overlooked.
>> 
>> In venery there are some wonderful collective nouns, in some instances
>> refined as to whether the group - geese in this instance - are in the air
>> (a skein or wedge), on the ground (a flock or gaggle), or on the water (a
>> plump of geese.) But I am not aware of any collective naming of flowers.
>> 
>> Judy
>> 
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> 
> -- 
> Ralph Carpenter
> 2 & 3 Stone Cottages
> Chilmington Green
> Great Chart
> Ashford
> Kent TN23 3DW
> 
> 01233 637567
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> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 20:26:18 +0100
> From: Peter Taggart <petersirises@gmail.com>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Glad Whatever
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> Well said Judy, too many of us prefer arguments, rather than accord
> appreciation.
> Peter (UK)
> 
>> On 14 August 2015 at 01:45, Judy Glattstein <jgglatt@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> O.K. Call it what you will     - my whole reason for posting was not to
>> start a dialog on the proper name for more than one gladiolus. It was to
>> say "Isn't this a nice thing for the corn and soybean farmer to do, raise a
>> whole lot of these corms and donate the flowers for hospital patients."
>> Which apparently was so minor a thought as to be completely overlooked.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 12:50:14 -0700
> From: Sarah Hinckley <sarahh@suiattle.net>
> To: John Ralph Carpenter <ralph.carpenter1@googlemail.com>,    Pacific
>    Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Glad Whatever
> Message-ID: <83A368BD-D8CD-4D59-AF6C-53F3BE637BFF@suiattle.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
> 
> The word venery comes from hunting, and means the naming of groups of animals. Since most people don't hunt flowers (present group excepted), it doesn't surprise me that there are no collective names for them
> 
> Sarah
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Aug 14, 2015, at 12:05, John Ralph Carpenter via pbs <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
>> 
>> "But I am not aware of any collective naming of flowers". A bunch? A posy?
>> An arrangement?
>> 
>>> On 14 August 2015 at 01:45, Judy Glattstein <jgglatt@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> O.K. Call it what you will - sword lily, gladiolus, pluralize as gladioli,
>>> "common speak" as gladiola - my whole reason for posting was not to start a
>>> dialog on the proper name for more than one gladiolus. It was to say "Isn't
>>> this a nice thing for the corn and soybean farmer to do, raise a whole lot
>>> of these corms and donate the flowers for hospital patients." Which
>>> apparently was so minor a thought as to be completely overlooked.
>>> 
>>> In venery there are some wonderful collective nouns, in some instances
>>> refined as to whether the group - geese in this instance - are in the air
>>> (a skein or wedge), on the ground (a flock or gaggle), or on the water (a
>>> plump of geese.) But I am not aware of any collective naming of flowers.
>>> 
>>> Judy
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> pbs mailing list
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Ralph Carpenter
>> 2 & 3 Stone Cottages
>> Chilmington Green
>> Great Chart
>> Ashford
>> Kent TN23 3DW
>> 
>> 01233 637567
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