My first message was rejected for overlength? Dam hel phones. I grew what came to me as Hymenocallis sonorense, plus two other H's. They just survived for several years until I stood them in my pond with the water level just over the soil. Then they took off like vigorous weeds, and bloomed. I sent H. sonorense seed to Dell. The following year a guest canine shredded them, plus a lot of other plants, so I don't have any H. any more. If any of you grew those seeds, please treat your plants like swamp thangs, and send some more seeds to Dell. Leo Martin Zone 9? Phoenix Arizona USA