Thank you, Mary Sue, for all the interesting information. This is
good news because I got all 10 PBS Calochortus lots this year and most
of those of last year and you indicate there is likely to be more
variation than I had begun to think. If some are hybrids, that's fine
(I'm a non-pro flower photograph specializing in closeups and what I
want is beautiful subjects). What is a superior form is a matter of
opinion, as you say, but that there are not superior forms is not. I
only recently learned of the existence of Calochortus and they look
like a great subject.
I will now check out your links.
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On 12/24/17, Mary Sue Ittner <msittner@mcn.org> wrote:
>
> On12/24/2017 9:54 AM, Irving Gunderson wrote:
>> Why am I fussing about this? Because the photos I see show some
>> forms to be far superior and I was hoping it would not be difficult to
>> get some of these.
>>
>>
> Many years ago the Robinetts who went around collecting seed in
> California and selling it along with bulbs they grow from seed used to
> sell Mariposa hybrids. They assumed that open pollinated seed if
> several species were flowering at the same time could be hybrid seed. So
> plants grown from that seed were sold accordingly. I expect that seed
> from PBS donors that are not isolating the different species is really
> hybrid seed and you'd get a variation of plants from that seed. For
> example Calochortus luteus and Calochortus superbus often grow and
> flower in the same locations. I've witnessed some really interesting
> differences when I've been in some of those places when plants are in
> flower at the same time and wonder what species they are or are they
> just hybrids. One of these days I'll get around to adding to the wiki
> some examples I saw a couple of years ago. In the meantime you can get a
> small sense of this (but not with the same variation) in the wiki photos
> on Bear Valley Road.
>
> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…
>
> The plants we witness in the wild even of the same species often show a
> variation. And the wiki pages for Calochortus superbus and venustus show
> a range of possibilities.
>
> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…
>
> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…
>
> The Calochortus venustus I grew from seed produced flowers with a lot of
> variation. Like John Wickham's different C. venustus 'Burgundy'
> flowers, the ones I ordered from a catalog did not look like the photo
> in the catalog at all. None of the ones that flowered were red and they
> were soon gone. It's likely that if you grow plants from PBS seed you
> will have some to great variation in the plants that flower and the
> plants that survive will be used to your location. Will the flowers that
> result be superior? That probably would depend on your definition of the
> same. I think one of the pleasures from growing from seed happens when
> you see the first flowers. Sometimes the result is a great
> disappointment, but sometimes you are rewarded with something very special.
>
> Mary Sue
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