pbs Digest, Vol 170, Issue 1

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Fri, 03 Mar 2017 06:28:51 PST
Not a single seed of my last lot of Moraea came up   Extremely disappointed

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Lycoris misc - Found (Tim Chapman)
   2. Alstroemeria seed (Rodger Whitlock)
   3. Re: Alstroemeria seed (Diane Whitehead)
   4. Rhodophiala bifida (Anita Roselle)
   5. Re: Alstroemeria seed (Diane Whitehead)
   6. Re: Moraea tortillis bulbs (Peter Taggart)
   7. Oxalis tetraphylla/deppei seed (Bill Whitson)
   8. South African Symposium (Rachel Saunders)


Message: 1
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 12:38:48 -0600
From: Tim Chapman <tim@gingerwoodnursery.com>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Lycoris misc - Found
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Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 27, 2017, at 4:52 PM, Tony Avent <Tony@plantdelights.com> wrote:
> Jim;
> Sounds like a great discussion in which I?m sure we?ll all learn something new.  To begin, there seems to be as many definitions of species than there are taxonomists?

This sums up one of the biggest issues in taxonomy as there is no strict definition or guideline of "species."   Ploidy levels and sterility are handled differently.  Some taxonomists still hold on to the concept of giving every accession its on variety name based on minor differences while others choose to just expand the description of the species.    Even with the newer DNA sequencing technology on the horizon these issues will still exist.

On a side : Tony Avent, the true L shaanxiensis is in the US..at least one bulb is.  I can give you a contact, but it's a private collector who might have an extra one or two only.   It's occasionally listed on one of the Chinese language auction sites (no not the same people offering glow in the dark green ones with free rainbow roses on EBay ).  From what I was told it's very rare there and not easily available.    You have stuff he's looking for though :)

Tim Chapman


Message: 2
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 11:19:27 -0800
From: Rodger Whitlock <totototo@telus.net>
To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: [pbs] Alstroemeria seed
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The RHS journal, "The Garden", had a squib many years ago on work done
at Kew regarding germination of Alstroemeria that is worth tracking
down. It would be in the 1980s or 1990s, but I can't give a more precise
citation without burrowing through the journal issues one by one.

IIRC, it involved dissecting out part of the seed body that conceals the
embryo, then stratification in more than one stage, but my memory isn't
good enough to cough up all the details with accuracy.

If someone finds this article, would the RHS allow the PBS to include
the text on its wiki?


Message: 3
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 12:03:56 -0800
From: Diane Whitehead <ldiane.whitehead@gmail.com>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Alstroemeria seed
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Martyn Rix's April 2003 RHS article "New Treasures of the Incas", about Alstroemeria and Bomarea species, gives advice about growing from seed, but does not refer back to the Kew article.

Diane Whitehead


Message: 4
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 20:49:48 -0500
From: Anita Roselle <anitaroselle@gmail.com>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: [pbs] Rhodophiala bifida
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I am a newbe to the forum, have not posted before. I hope I am at the right
address. I purchased Rhodophiala bifida seed from the seed offerings, I
planted them in a mix of Faffard potting soil with added sand. The pot was
put in my greenhouse, intermediate temps. and I now have about 9 shoots
coming up that are about 2" tall at this point and very skinny.

I need to know what I need to do with them right now, I think it is too
cold to put them outside. Do they need very bright sun, part shade ect?
When do I transplant them to individual pots and that sort of information.
I am a retired perennial propagator but have never done much with bulb
seed. Your help will be very much appreciated.

I live on the border between Zones 6B and 7A. I believe that this is the
plant that I have seen in a yard near here, it looked like a red amaryllis
with a white stripe down the middle of each petal. Before I could ask if I
could have a bit of it the house was sold and the new owner tore them all
out and probably threw them in the trash.

I hope this is what they were and I can hopefully establish them in my
garden, if I can find the right microclimate for them. I am anxious to try
some of the hardy
Lycoris, there is a single L. radiata down the road and I have a patch of
what I believe are L.squamiera.

Any help or suggestions you can give will be very much appreciated.


Message: 5
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 21:09:44 -0800
From: Diane Whitehead <ldiane.whitehead@gmail.com>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Alstroemeria seed
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I do not have the 1978 RHS journal with the article.  The Garden, vol 103 p 75

Germination of Alstroemerias, Dr P.A. Thompson and P. Newman

They published in a couple of other places, so if you can access jstor you will be able to read online.

THOMPSON PA, P NEWMAN & PD KEEFE (1979) Germination of species of Alstroemeria L. Gartenbauwissenschaft 44: 97-102.

Diane Whitehead


Message: 6
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 08:11:06 +0000
From: Peter Taggart <petersirises@gmail.com>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Moraea tortillis bulbs
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Try the South African Bulb Company, Dawie Human - Lifestyle seeds, or
Gordon Summerfield.

On 28 February 2017 at 15:50, Jim Foster <fosterjp@cox.net> wrote:

> Does anyone know where I might buy one of these?  I could not find sources
> on the web other than seed.


Message: 7
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2017 22:33:14 -0800
From: Bill Whitson <billspamcan@gmail.com>
To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: [pbs] Oxalis tetraphylla/deppei seed
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Hi.  I'm new to the list and enjoying it a lot.  Does anyone out there know
of a source for O. tetraphylla seed?  Or, alternatively, a variety that has
a non-brevistylous flower?  (The commonly available species type, 'Iron
Cross', and 'Reverse Iron Cross' unfortunately all have the same flower
type, which makes them incompatible.)  I've been hoping to do some breeding
with this species, but need to get at least one variety with a different
flower morph in order to kick off sexual reproduction.



Message: 8
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2017 14:30:02 +0200
From: "Rachel Saunders" <silverhill@yebo.co.za>
To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: [pbs] South African Symposium
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In August 2017, IBSA (the Indigenous Bulb Association of South Africa) is
holding a 3 day symposium at Goudini, close to Cape Town. If anyone is
interested in attending, please contact me for details. Thanks.

Rachel Saunders
Silverhill Seeds and Books
P O Box 53108
7745 Cape Town
Tel: +27 21 762 4245
Fax: +27 21 797 6609


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