Universal Postal Union withdrawal

Ann Rametta annmram@gmail.com
Sat, 14 Sep 2019 00:55:57 PDT
I'm very happy for what Trump is doing

On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 8:17 AM George Nauyok <gnsanfrancisco@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> For all those who voted for Trump, I hope you're proud of that action.
> Yet ANOTHER outrage of this administration.
> george
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>    1. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (Lee Poulsen)
>    2. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (penstemon)
>    3. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (Lee Poulsen)
>    4. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing?
>       (Randall P. Linke)
>    5. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing?
>       (David Pilling)
>    6. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (penstemon)
>    7. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (M Robertson)
>    8. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (Lee Poulsen)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 15:01:10 -0700
> From: Lee Poulsen <wpoulsen@pacbell.net>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing?
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> Sure, go right ahead. I don?t know if this is happening to others.
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> ?Lee
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> > On Sep 10, 2019, at 11:08 AM, Rick Buell via pbs <
> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:
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> > May I quote this info on other gardening sites I'm on? Thanks! Rick Buell
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:00:51 -0600
> From: penstemon <penstemon@q.com>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing?
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> >Sure, go right ahead. I don?t know if this is happening to others.
>
> This may all become moot if the U.S. withdraws from the Universal Post
> Union next month.
>
>
> Bob Nold
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:01:57 -0700
> From: Lee Poulsen <wpoulsen@pacbell.net>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing?
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> Bob Nold, did you really have to make us aware of this possibility? ? I
> literally had no idea this was a thing. When I read your sentence, I
> thought it was a joke. The UPU is old; it?s been around forever. (Just read
> that it is the second oldest international organization.) Literally
> *everyone* belongs to it (or is associated with a member nation that does
> belong?these nonmembers are typically very small or there is some political
> issue with their status, and there are very few of them).
>
> This organization has allowed for the smooth operation of international
> mail since 1874. I cannot believe this is happening.
>
> --Lee Poulsen
> Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a
> Latitude 34?N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m
>
> > On Sep 11, 2019, at 4:00 PM, penstemon <penstemon@Q.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Sure, go right ahead. I don?t know if this is happening to others.
> >
> > This may all become moot if the U.S. withdraws from the Universal Post
> Union next month.
> >
> >
> > Bob Nold
> >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:15:38 -0700
> From: "Randall P. Linke" <randysgarden@gmail.com>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing?
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> I was surprised as well.  Apparently the meeting is in two weeks in Geneva
> and if Trump doesn't get his way the US will withdraw in mid October.
>
> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 5:02 PM Lee Poulsen <wpoulsen@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > Bob Nold, did you really have to make us aware of this possibility? ? I
> > literally had no idea this was a thing. When I read your sentence, I
> > thought it was a joke. The UPU is old; it?s been around forever. (Just
> read
> > that it is the second oldest international organization.) Literally
> > *everyone* belongs to it (or is associated with a member nation that does
> > belong?these nonmembers are typically very small or there is some
> political
> > issue with their status, and there are very few of them).
> >
> > This organization has allowed for the smooth operation of international
> > mail since 1874. I cannot believe this is happening.
> >
> > --Lee Poulsen
> > Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a
> > Latitude 34?N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m
> >
> > > On Sep 11, 2019, at 4:00 PM, penstemon <penstemon@Q.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> Sure, go right ahead. I don?t know if this is happening to others.
> > >
> > > This may all become moot if the U.S. withdraws from the Universal Post
> > Union next month.
> > >
> > >
> > > Bob Nold
> > >
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> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 01:26:28 +0100
> From: David Pilling <david@davidpilling.com>
> To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net
> Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing?
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> Hi,
>
> On 12/09/2019 01:15, Randall P. Linke wrote:
> > I was surprised as well.  Apparently the meeting is in two weeks in
> Geneva
> > and if Trump doesn't get his way the US will withdraw in mid October.
>
> Last chance to go on ebay and buy items direct from China at low prices.
>
>
> --
> David Pilling
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> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 18:56:06 -0600
> From: penstemon <penstemon@q.com>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing?
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> Bob Nold, did you really have to make us aware of this possibility? ? I
> literally had no idea this was a thing. When I read your sentence, I
> thought it was a joke. The UPU is old; it?s been around forever.
>
> If I knew, and people who never received seeds or bulbs from overseas
> learned that I knew and never said anything, I?d be in trouble.
> So consider this a public service message.
>
>
> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//…
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>
> Bob
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 18:29:16 -0700
> From: M Robertson <dr.mas.roberts@gmail.com>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing?
> Message-ID: <17117570-124C-4F78-A0B2-03AAEE2C1BA5@gmail.com>
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> The Trump Administration is requesting an equal postal rate structure
> between American companies shipping within the US and Chinese companies
> shipping to the US.
>      "White House officials have announced that the Trump Administration
> will act in accordance with a US State Department recommendation to
> withdraw from the Universal Postal Union <
> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//…>,
> an UN-backed organization founded in 1874 that has governed global postal
> rates since 1969.   This action was recommended to President Trump on the
> grounds that the UPU currently allows China, among others, to ship products
> into the US for less than the rate American companies must pay when sending
> products domestically.   In a statement released by the White House <
> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//…
>  briefings-statements%2Fstatement-press-secretary-38%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170068699&amp;sdata=wwU%2B0KZuryCzFBhpYSePrzxfl%2FwzeY4%2F4%2FLHpfbe1ys%3D&amp;reserved=0>,
> it is said that the US plans to exit the union no later than January 1,
> 2020, in accordance with the withdrawal process outlined in the UPU
> Constitution. If renegotiations between the US and the UPU of terminal dues
> are unsuccessful by this date, the US Government
>   will establish rates of its own, and formally disregard those imposed by
> the UPU. ?
> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//…
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>
> Mark
>
>
> On Sep 11, 2019, at 5:26 PM, David Pilling <david@davidpilling.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > On 12/09/2019 01:15, Randall P. Linke wrote:
> >> I was surprised as well.  Apparently the meeting is in two weeks in
> Geneva
> >> and if Trump doesn't get his way the US will withdraw in mid October.
> >
> > Last chance to go on ebay and buy items direct from China at low prices.
> >
> >
> > --
> > David Pilling
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>  Mark Robertson, Ph.D.
>  Pacific Northwest USDA hardiness zone 8a; Sunset climate zone 4
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 21:48:36 -0700
> From: Lee Poulsen <wpoulsen@pacbell.net>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing?
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> Sorry, Bob. That was meant as a thank you for informing us. Sorry I
> sounded annoyed; I am. I try to keep on top of all the crazy news that is
> happening, but this one somehow slipped by me. I was left a little
> speechless when I googled and read up on it. I collected postage stamps as
> a kid and they still have a special place in my heart even though I don?t
> actively collect them these days. I was always proud of the fact that the
> UPU was one of those rare international treaties/organizations that worked
> throughout the world and was uniformly approved of for the task it took
> care of, and that we could send letters and postcards (and seeds!) to and
> from friends all over the world without any postal problems at all.
> (Another one is the ICAO which is what makes it such that we can all fly
> around the world to see each other and each other?s countries and bulbous
> flowers without a hitch and using common standards everywhere airplanes
> fly. Also another organization that every country in the w
>  orld belongs to.)
>
> No one knows for certain how the U.S. will send and receive mail from
> other countries if they go through with this. The U.S. has been in the UPU
> since its inception and in fact the U.S. was the main instigator of setting
> it up way back when. I read almost as many predictions about what will
> happen as the number of articles I read?everything from nothing will change
> at all to the whole international system will fall apart since apparently
> the U.S. is the major backbone of the current system, and it will become
> much more expensive to mail things (like seeds!) around the world
> especially for Americans. So far I haven?t seen anyone suggest it will go
> back to the pre-UPU method where you had to put the local postage on the
> envelope for each country the letter would pass through on its route from
> origin to destination.
>
> Along with using my seed import permit consistently, I guess I should
> place all orders for seeds from abroad before January 1st that I intend to
> get for the next 1.5 or 5.5 years.  ;-)
>
> Thanks for the warning, Bob.
>
> --Lee Poulsen
> Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a
> Latitude 34?N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m
>
> > On Sep 11, 2019, at 5:56 PM, penstemon <penstemon@q.com> wrote:
> >
> > Bob Nold, did you really have to make us aware of this possibility? ? I
> literally had no idea this was a thing. When I read your sentence, I
> thought it was a joke. The UPU is old; it?s been around forever.
> >
> > If I knew, and people who never received seeds or bulbs from overseas
> learned that I knew and never said anything, I?d be in trouble.
> > So consider this a public service message.
> >
> >
> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//…
> >
> >
> > Bob
> >
>
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