Stop, stop, stop. No interest for having US domestic politics brought up in this international group. Only if Trump can help ID a plant I wanna know. The impact of the possible withdrawal as described in the original posting was informative for other US citizen and as such appreciated. Aad -----Original Message----- From: pbs <pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> On Behalf Of Ann Rametta Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2019 9:56 AM To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> Subject: Re: [pbs] Universal Postal Union withdrawal I'm very happy for what Trump is doing On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 8:17 AM George Nauyok <gnsanfrancisco@hotmail.com> wrote: > For all those who voted for Trump, I hope you're proud of that action. > Yet ANOTHER outrage of this administration. > george > ________________________________ > From: pbs <pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> on behalf of > pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net < > pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 5:00 AM > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 31, Issue 13 > > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//… > .pacificbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&data= > 02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aa > aaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170058688&sdata=jisWtySr790lVERbwtlH > T3LF88i%2BQREl%2FIY7%2FjcHKnI%3D&reserved=0 > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > List-Archive:< > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//… > acificbulbsociety.org%2Flist.php&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c8 > 83cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6370388 > 64170058688&sdata=Ex8Lgr4b0NdORsyRsckLm0Vp2Su2b9J%2FBinGtdw2tmw%3D > &reserved=0 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (Lee Poulsen) > 2. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (penstemon) > 3. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (Lee Poulsen) > 4. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > (Randall P. Linke) > 5. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > (David Pilling) > 6. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (penstemon) > 7. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (M Robertson) > 8. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (Lee > Poulsen) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 15:01:10 -0700 > From: Lee Poulsen <wpoulsen@pacbell.net> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: <9E9E1F96-D31D-4C71-91D8-35B1E031ABD5@pacbell.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Sure, go right ahead. I don?t know if this is happening to others. > > ?Lee > > > On Sep 10, 2019, at 11:08 AM, Rick Buell via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > > > May I quote this info on other gardening sites I'm on? Thanks! Rick > > Buell > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:00:51 -0600 > From: penstemon <penstemon@q.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: <06.69.09645.2AC797D5@smtp03.onyx.dfw.sync.lan> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > >Sure, go right ahead. I don?t know if this is happening to others. > > This may all become moot if the U.S. withdraws from the Universal Post > Union next month. > > > Bob Nold > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:01:57 -0700 > From: Lee Poulsen <wpoulsen@pacbell.net> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: <C121DC2F-312A-4726-B0BA-C663C770A5B5@pacbell.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Bob Nold, did you really have to make us aware of this possibility? ? > I literally had no idea this was a thing. When I read your sentence, I > thought it was a joke. The UPU is old; it?s been around forever. (Just > read that it is the second oldest international organization.) > Literally > *everyone* belongs to it (or is associated with a member nation that > does belong?these nonmembers are typically very small or there is some > political issue with their status, and there are very few of them). > > This organization has allowed for the smooth operation of > international mail since 1874. I cannot believe this is happening. > > --Lee Poulsen > Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34?N, Altitude 1150 > ft/350 m > > > On Sep 11, 2019, at 4:00 PM, penstemon <penstemon@Q.com> wrote: > > > > > >> Sure, go right ahead. I don?t know if this is happening to others. > > > > This may all become moot if the U.S. withdraws from the Universal > > Post > Union next month. > > > > > > Bob Nold > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:15:38 -0700 > From: "Randall P. Linke" <randysgarden@gmail.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: > <CAOi3jfPjt7e16GNFgZgR8Ga6sUeY_Bekn7U=1dNs= > tgfbGLqSQ@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I was surprised as well. Apparently the meeting is in two weeks in > Geneva and if Trump doesn't get his way the US will withdraw in mid October. > > On Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 5:02 PM Lee Poulsen <wpoulsen@pacbell.net> wrote: > > > Bob Nold, did you really have to make us aware of this possibility? > > ? I literally had no idea this was a thing. When I read your > > sentence, I thought it was a joke. The UPU is old; it?s been around > > forever. (Just > read > > that it is the second oldest international organization.) Literally > > *everyone* belongs to it (or is associated with a member nation that > > does belong?these nonmembers are typically very small or there is > > some > political > > issue with their status, and there are very few of them). > > > > This organization has allowed for the smooth operation of > > international mail since 1874. I cannot believe this is happening. > > > > --Lee Poulsen > > Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34?N, Altitude > > 1150 ft/350 m > > > > > On Sep 11, 2019, at 4:00 PM, penstemon <penstemon@Q.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> Sure, go right ahead. I don?t know if this is happening to others. > > > > > > This may all become moot if the U.S. withdraws from the Universal > > > Post > > Union next month. > > > > > > > > > Bob Nold > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//… > .pacificbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&data= > 02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aa > aaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170058688&sdata=jisWtySr790lVERbwtlH > T3LF88i%2BQREl%2FIY7%2FjcHKnI%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 01:26:28 +0100 > From: David Pilling <david@davidpilling.com> > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: <c24e7051-dc2a-f464-bae8-c12759f5e00e@davidpilling.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Hi, > > On 12/09/2019 01:15, Randall P. Linke wrote: > > I was surprised as well. Apparently the meeting is in two weeks in > Geneva > > and if Trump doesn't get his way the US will withdraw in mid October. > > Last chance to go on ebay and buy items direct from China at low prices. > > > -- > David Pilling > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//… > om&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9 > f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170068699&sdata=Dl39IDVj > 7Nx243T8Yri9biFBbGn883%2FXC905wd7D7xg%3D&reserved=0 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 18:56:06 -0600 > From: penstemon <penstemon@q.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: <E2.DF.11853.5A7997D5@smtp04.onyx.dfw.sync.lan> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Bob Nold, did you really have to make us aware of this possibility? ? > I literally had no idea this was a thing. When I read your sentence, I > thought it was a joke. The UPU is old; it?s been around forever. > > If I knew, and people who never received seeds or bulbs from overseas > learned that I knew and never said anything, I?d be in trouble. > So consider this a public service message. > > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//… > .org%2Fupdate-on-the-status-of-upu-discussions-april-15-2019-by-merry- > law%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e > 7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170068699&sdata=y%2F > Ux0Bf6qmLU6x%2FrC79T9LK7W1C9WkjWRWQDj8rR%2Bpc%3D&reserved=0 > > > Bob > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 18:29:16 -0700 > From: M Robertson <dr.mas.roberts@gmail.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: <17117570-124C-4F78-A0B2-03AAEE2C1BA5@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > The Trump Administration is requesting an equal postal rate structure > between American companies shipping within the US and Chinese > companies shipping to the US. > "White House officials have announced that the Trump > Administration will act in accordance with a US State Department > recommendation to withdraw from the Universal Postal Union < > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//… > ixthtone.com%2Fnews%2F1003077%2Fus-withdraws-from-international-post-t > reaty%252C-worrying-china&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908 > d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C63703886417006 > 8699&sdata=nDaZwWuFQQDWPApj90R47cPTK5AFuTNHt13QQBCRzGY%3D&rese > rved=0>, an UN-backed organization founded in 1874 that has governed > global postal > rates since 1969. This action was recommended to President Trump on the > grounds that the UPU currently allows China, among others, to ship > products into the US for less than the rate American companies must pay when sending > products domestically. In a statement released by the White House < > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//…. > whitehouse.gov%2F > briefings-statements%2Fstatement-press-secretary-38%2F&data=02%7C0 > 1%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaa > aaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170068699&sdata=wwU%2B0KZuryCzFBhpYSePrzxf > l%2FwzeY4%2F4%2FLHpfbe1ys%3D&reserved=0>, > it is said that the US plans to exit the union no later than January > 1, 2020, in accordance with the withdrawal process outlined in the UPU > Constitution. If renegotiations between the US and the UPU of terminal > dues are unsuccessful by this date, the US Government > will establish rates of its own, and formally disregard those > imposed by the UPU. ? > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//…. > thatsmags.com%2Fchina%2Fpost%2F26105%2Fus-threatens-withdrawal-from-un > iversal-postal-union&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d7377 > 8c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170068699& > amp;sdata=co2S0iHmkFM4%2BcBf%2Bxu24Ycn8I33KFAxYuEAiQIFR%2B8%3D&res > erved=0 > < > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//…. > thatsmags.com%2Fchina%2Fpost%2F26105%2Fus-threatens-withdrawal-from-un > iversal-postal-union&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d7377 > 8c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170068699& > amp;sdata=co2S0iHmkFM4%2BcBf%2Bxu24Ycn8I33KFAxYuEAiQIFR%2B8%3D&res > erved=0 > > > > Mark > > > On Sep 11, 2019, at 5:26 PM, David Pilling <david@davidpilling.com> wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > On 12/09/2019 01:15, Randall P. Linke wrote: > >> I was surprised as well. Apparently the meeting is in two weeks in > Geneva > >> and if Trump doesn't get his way the US will withdraw in mid October. > > > > Last chance to go on ebay and buy items direct from China at low prices. > > > > > > -- > > David Pilling > > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//… > om&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9 > f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170068699&sdata=Dl39IDVj > 7Nx243T8Yri9biFBbGn883%2FXC905wd7D7xg%3D&reserved=0 > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//… > .pacificbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&data= > 02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aa > aaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170068699&sdata=%2BwJU3DcOW5PJI%2FjO > GR12nz45HTsXklEyZBZVS%2B6R%2FSE%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > Mark Robertson, Ph.D. > Pacific Northwest USDA hardiness zone 8a; Sunset climate zone 4 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 21:48:36 -0700 > From: Lee Poulsen <wpoulsen@pacbell.net> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: <ADA5AA2E-A132-4AB5-827F-EBE5CC3433EA@pacbell.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Sorry, Bob. That was meant as a thank you for informing us. Sorry I > sounded annoyed; I am. I try to keep on top of all the crazy news that > is happening, but this one somehow slipped by me. I was left a little > speechless when I googled and read up on it. I collected postage > stamps as a kid and they still have a special place in my heart even > though I don?t actively collect them these days. I was always proud of > the fact that the UPU was one of those rare international > treaties/organizations that worked throughout the world and was > uniformly approved of for the task it took care of, and that we could > send letters and postcards (and seeds!) to and from friends all over the world without any postal problems at all. > (Another one is the ICAO which is what makes it such that we can all > fly around the world to see each other and each other?s countries and > bulbous flowers without a hitch and using common standards everywhere > airplanes fly. Also another organization that every country in the w > orld belongs to.) > > No one knows for certain how the U.S. will send and receive mail from > other countries if they go through with this. The U.S. has been in the > UPU since its inception and in fact the U.S. was the main instigator > of setting it up way back when. I read almost as many predictions > about what will happen as the number of articles I read?everything > from nothing will change at all to the whole international system will > fall apart since apparently the U.S. is the major backbone of the > current system, and it will become much more expensive to mail things > (like seeds!) around the world especially for Americans. So far I > haven?t seen anyone suggest it will go back to the pre-UPU method > where you had to put the local postage on the envelope for each > country the letter would pass through on its route from origin to destination. > > Along with using my seed import permit consistently, I guess I should > place all orders for seeds from abroad before January 1st that I > intend to get for the next 1.5 or 5.5 years. ;-) > > Thanks for the warning, Bob. > > --Lee Poulsen > Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34?N, Altitude 1150 > ft/350 m > > > On Sep 11, 2019, at 5:56 PM, penstemon <penstemon@q.com> wrote: > > > > Bob Nold, did you really have to make us aware of this possibility? > > ? I > literally had no idea this was a thing. When I read your sentence, I > thought it was a joke. The UPU is old; it?s been around forever. > > > > If I knew, and people who never received seeds or bulbs from > > overseas > learned that I knew and never said anything, I?d be in trouble. > > So consider this a public service message. > > > > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//… > .org%2Fupdate-on-the-status-of-upu-discussions-april-15-2019-by-merry- > law%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e > 7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170078704&sdata=6sKV > iRt2bp9X7kMzBpwrnfEyUHOtQ8RZsEfc0sMtJfs%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//… > .pacificbulbsociety.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpbs&data= > 02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aa > aaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170078704&sdata=6nNbeqGYnKsacKfeDiDY > 5GJ38%2BT7EFuL75zPZXn8aIg%3D&reserved=0 > > > ------------------------------ > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 31, Issue 13 > *********************************** > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/…