Telos Rare Bulbs

Bridget Wosczyna via pbs pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net
Fri, 19 Feb 2021 08:16:04 PST
I, too, feel that we are VERY FORTUNATE to even have access to what Diana offers. If her website isn’t full of pop-ups of what someone in Florida bought, I’m happy. If she offers South African rarities?  I’m even happier. Most folks don’t appreciate the labor of keeping a website, let alone running a nursery. I applaud Diana for all of her efforts. If I had to, I’d write notes and send a check to be able to acquire her stuff. I prefer a funky nursery vibe to a big enterprise any day. 
Bridget

In SE PA where it just keeps snowing. But the heat is on so I have zero to complain about. The crated adonis is in full bloom in my heated barn and I have an Arisaema aequinoctiale coming into flower.  Early but welcome. 

> On Feb 19, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Jose via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:
> 
> "Technology has left a lot of people lazy..."
> 
> And pretty dumb too. 
> 
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> robert brockson via pbs
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 12:10 AM
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> Subject: Re: [pbs] Telos Rare Bulbs
> 
>  Diana, I feel that your website is more than adequate and for me it's very
> easy to navigate, determine cost and place an order. Any answers to price,
> availability and shipping times are there on the site, you just have to
> read. Technology has left a lot of people lazy...
> 
> 
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> Today's Topics:
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>   1. Re: Telos Rare Bulbs (Jan Jeddeloh)
>   2. Re: Telos Rare Bulbs (Robert Lauf)
>   3. Re: Telos Rare Bulbs (Leigh Blake)
>   4. Re: Nothoscordum dialystemon (Jose)
>   5. Re: Telos Rare Bulbs (Jose)
>   6. Re: Telos Rare Bulbs (Diana Chapman)
>   7. Telos Rare Bulbs (M Gastil-Buhl)
>   8. Re: Telos Rare Bulbs (R Hansen)
>   9. Re: Telos Rare Bulbs (John Willis)
>  10. Re: Telos Rare Bulbs (John Willis)
>  11. Re: Telos Rare Bulbs (Robert Parks)
>  12. Re: Iris histrioides/A. belladonna (Jane McGary)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 15:17:05 -0800
> From: Jan Jeddeloh <janjeddeloh@gmail.com>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Telos Rare Bulbs
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> For great, unusual plants I?ll happily deal with a non-professionally
> designed website.  I?m hot after the plants not the graphic design.  So as
> long as I can figure out how to pick the plant and pay for it I?m good.
> 
> Jan
> 
>>> On Feb 17, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Arnold Trachtenberg via pbs
>> <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:
>> 
>> i think we can show our thanks to Diane and Robin by patronizing their
> nurseries.
>> Even if it's only  a bulb or two.
>> 
>> I heard a quote once about small specialist nurseries.
>> How do you make some money with a specialist nursery?
>> "Start with a lot of money"
>> 
>> ArnoldSnow coming in NJ
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Vlad Hempel via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
>> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
>> Cc: Vlad Hempel <vlad.hempel@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Wed, Feb 17, 2021 3:57 pm
>> Subject: Re: [pbs] Telos Rare Bulbs
>> 
>> If I may add my two cents:
>> 
>> Diana, I find your website good enough for what it is.
>> 
>> Being a bulb enthusiast myself and not from US, I took time to read
> through
>> the conditions (especially the international orders page).
>> 
>> I think your request about name and address is essential.
>> 
>> Please continue to offers these gems. There are hardly any place that
> offer
>> so many generas and species in one place.
>> 
>> Greetings from Berlin,
>> Vlad
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed 17. Feb 2021 at 21:43 Diana Chapman via pbs <
>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Thank you, Robin.  It has actually taken me the best part of three weeks
>>> just to update the availability on the web site, and I still have the
>>> greenhouses to take care of and orders to fill.  As for hiring someone
>>> to do it, I couldn't possibly afford it, and anyway, I tried some time
>>> back to have someone make a cd of bulbs that I would provide to
>>> customers and it was a total nightmare, she couldn't understand the
>>> names, couldn't spell them, even with me going over them carefully, and
>>> I finally abandoned it.  So, if my web site is clunky and 'not modern',
>>> that's the way it is.  I have rarely had any complaints about it.
>>> 
>>> Diana
>>> Telos
>>>> A suggestion that revamping our websites that would avoid questions and
>>> other issues is great. But when you're a single proprietor with no paid
>>> help and when revamping takes an incredible amount of time and resources,
>>> it's much, much more difficult. We struggle along as best we can and make
>>> changes as we can, but for me the last two years have been very difficult
>>> due to family issues, a major move and other obligations. Oh, yes, and a
>>> grandson who is no longer readily available... Given the pandemic and the
>>> fact that we all have family, often elderly or otherwise needing
>>> assistance, things don't happen as quickly or efficiently as they should.
>>>> 
>>>> Right now I'm faced with at least updating some website information and
>>> finding the time, let alone determining the best way to do it, can be
>>> roadblocks in themselves.
>>>> 
>>>> So, these upgrades will get done, but for specialist nurseries, these
>>> take a lower priority than making sure we have unusual and/or rare plants
>>> available for the plant lovers who support us. Personally, I'll put up
> with
>>> clunky websites to get what I want, knowing I can't get a plant anywhere
>>> else nearly as easily.
>>>> 
>>>> Robin Hansen
>>>> Hansen Nursery
>>>> In the southern wilds of Coos County, Oregon
>>>> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 23:20:25 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Robert Lauf <boblauf@att.net>
> To: Arnold Trachtenberg via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Telos Rare Bulbs
> Message-ID: <74749293.2681451.1613604025182@mail.yahoo.com>
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> As a complete novice with many South African bulbs, I asked Diana if she
> could put together a nice starter collection of Lachenalias for a given sum,
> and she was happy to accommodate.? She sent an excellent assortment and
> detailed growing directions, and every one is doing well.? Most are
> blooming.? All this has helped solidify my growing bulb fanaticism.
> 
> Yes, Amazon has a more advanced eCommerce platform, but all Amazon nurtures
> is Amazon's bottom line.? There is no substitute for the small nursery and
> the personal touch.
> 
> You go girl!
> 
> Bob? Zone 7 and waiting for the you-know-what to hit the fan tonight.
> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 15:21:48 -0800
> From: Leigh Blake <theonlyleigh@gmail.com>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Telos Rare Bulbs
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> Great letters from you all...I have to say Jan Jeddeloh is correct,..I
> agree...use common sense on all orders ..Thank you
> 
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 3:17 PM Jan Jeddeloh via pbs <
> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:
> 
>> For great, unusual plants I?ll happily deal with a non-professionally
>> designed website.  I?m hot after the plants not the graphic design.  So as
>> long as I can figure out how to pick the plant and pay for it I?m good.
>> 
>> Jan
>> 
>>> On Feb 17, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Arnold Trachtenberg via pbs <
>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> i think we can show our thanks to Diane and Robin by patronizing their
>> nurseries.
>>> Even if it's only  a bulb or two.
>>> 
>>> I heard a quote once about small specialist nurseries.
>>> How do you make some money with a specialist nursery?
>>> "Start with a lot of money"
>>> 
>>> ArnoldSnow coming in NJ
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Vlad Hempel via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
>>> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
>>> Cc: Vlad Hempel <vlad.hempel@gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Wed, Feb 17, 2021 3:57 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [pbs] Telos Rare Bulbs
>>> 
>>> If I may add my two cents:
>>> 
>>> Diana, I find your website good enough for what it is.
>>> 
>>> Being a bulb enthusiast myself and not from US, I took time to read
>> through
>>> the conditions (especially the international orders page).
>>> 
>>> I think your request about name and address is essential.
>>> 
>>> Please continue to offers these gems. There are hardly any place that
>> offer
>>> so many generas and species in one place.
>>> 
>>> Greetings from Berlin,
>>> Vlad
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed 17. Feb 2021 at 21:43 Diana Chapman via pbs <
>>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Thank you, Robin.  It has actually taken me the best part of three
> weeks
>>>> just to update the availability on the web site, and I still have the
>>>> greenhouses to take care of and orders to fill.  As for hiring someone
>>>> to do it, I couldn't possibly afford it, and anyway, I tried some time
>>>> back to have someone make a cd of bulbs that I would provide to
>>>> customers and it was a total nightmare, she couldn't understand the
>>>> names, couldn't spell them, even with me going over them carefully, and
>>>> I finally abandoned it.  So, if my web site is clunky and 'not modern',
>>>> that's the way it is.  I have rarely had any complaints about it.
>>>> 
>>>> Diana
>>>> Telos
>>>>> A suggestion that revamping our websites that would avoid questions
> and
>>>> other issues is great. But when you're a single proprietor with no paid
>>>> help and when revamping takes an incredible amount of time and
>> resources,
>>>> it's much, much more difficult. We struggle along as best we can and
>> make
>>>> changes as we can, but for me the last two years have been very
>> difficult
>>>> due to family issues, a major move and other obligations. Oh, yes, and
> a
>>>> grandson who is no longer readily available... Given the pandemic and
>> the
>>>> fact that we all have family, often elderly or otherwise needing
>>>> assistance, things don't happen as quickly or efficiently as they
>> should.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Right now I'm faced with at least updating some website information
> and
>>>> finding the time, let alone determining the best way to do it, can be
>>>> roadblocks in themselves.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So, these upgrades will get done, but for specialist nurseries, these
>>>> take a lower priority than making sure we have unusual and/or rare
>> plants
>>>> available for the plant lovers who support us. Personally, I'll put up
>> with
>>>> clunky websites to get what I want, knowing I can't get a plant
> anywhere
>>>> else nearly as easily.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Robin Hansen
>>>>> Hansen Nursery
>>>>> In the southern wilds of Coos County, Oregon
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 18:57:06 -0500
> From: "Jose" <arlen.jose@verizon.net>
> To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Nothoscordum dialystemon
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> Absolutely beautiful!!! I wish I could get mine to bloom. What is your
> secret?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net] On Behalf Of
> Kenneth Preteroti via pbs
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2021 12:21 PM
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
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> Subject: [pbs] Nothoscordum dialystemon
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> A pretty and pleasantly sweet smelling flower for a dreary winter day.
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> 
> Ken P
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> Zone 6 b
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 19:01:13 -0500
> From: "Jose" <arlen.jose@verizon.net>
> To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Telos Rare Bulbs
> Message-ID: <000101d70589$2d2e81c0$878b8540$@verizon.net>
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> I couldn't agree more and I most certainly will do my part even though I
> have run out of space ages ago :)
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net] On Behalf Of
> Arnold Trachtenberg via pbs
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2021 5:47 PM
> To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net
> Cc: Arnold Trachtenberg <arnold140@verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Telos Rare Bulbs
> 
> 
> 
> i think we can show our thanks to Diane and Robin by patronizing their
> nurseries.
> 
> Even if it's only  a bulb or two.
> 
> 
> 
> I heard a quote once about small specialist nurseries.
> 
> How do you make some money with a specialist nursery?
> 
> "Start with a lot of money"
> 
> 
> 
> ArnoldSnow coming in NJ
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> From: Vlad Hempel via pbs < <mailto:pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> 
> To: Pacific Bulb Society < <mailto:pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> 
> Cc: Vlad Hempel < <mailto:vlad.hempel@gmail.com> vlad.hempel@gmail.com>
> 
> Sent: Wed, Feb 17, 2021 3:57 pm
> 
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Telos Rare Bulbs
> 
> 
> 
> If I may add my two cents:
> 
> 
> 
> Diana, I find your website good enough for what it is.
> 
> 
> 
> Being a bulb enthusiast myself and not from US, I took time to read through
> the conditions (especially the international orders page).
> 
> 
> 
> I think your request about name and address is essential.
> 
> 
> 
> Please continue to offers these gems. There are hardly any place that offer
> so many generas and species in one place.
> 
> 
> 
> Greetings from Berlin,
> 
> Vlad
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed 17. Feb 2021 at 21:43 Diana Chapman via pbs <
> <mailto:pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> Thank you, Robin.  It has actually taken me the best part of three
> 
>> weeks just to update the availability on the web site, and I still
> 
>> have the greenhouses to take care of and orders to fill.  As for
> 
>> hiring someone to do it, I couldn't possibly afford it, and anyway, I
> 
>> tried some time back to have someone make a cd of bulbs that I would
> 
>> provide to customers and it was a total nightmare, she couldn't
> 
>> understand the names, couldn't spell them, even with me going over
> 
>> them carefully, and I finally abandoned it.  So, if my web site is
> 
>> clunky and 'not modern', that's the way it is.  I have rarely had any
> complaints about it.
> 
>> 
> 
>> Diana
> 
>> Telos
> 
>>> A suggestion that revamping our websites that would avoid questions
> 
>>> and
> 
>> other issues is great. But when you're a single proprietor with no
> 
>> paid help and when revamping takes an incredible amount of time and
> 
>> resources, it's much, much more difficult. We struggle along as best
> 
>> we can and make changes as we can, but for me the last two years have
> 
>> been very difficult due to family issues, a major move and other
> 
>> obligations. Oh, yes, and a grandson who is no longer readily
> 
>> available... Given the pandemic and the fact that we all have family,
> 
>> often elderly or otherwise needing assistance, things don't happen as
> quickly or efficiently as they should.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> Right now I'm faced with at least updating some website information
> 
>>> and
> 
>> finding the time, let alone determining the best way to do it, can be
> 
>> roadblocks in themselves.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> So, these upgrades will get done, but for specialist nurseries,
> 
>>> these
> 
>> take a lower priority than making sure we have unusual and/or rare
> 
>> plants available for the plant lovers who support us. Personally, I'll
> 
>> put up with clunky websites to get what I want, knowing I can't get a
> 
>> plant anywhere else nearly as easily.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> Robin Hansen
> 
>>> Hansen Nursery
> 
>>> In the southern wilds of Coos County, Oregon
> 
>>> 
> 
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 16:11:56 -0800
> From: Diana Chapman <rarebulbs@suddenlink.net>
> To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Telos Rare Bulbs
> Message-ID: <426f9879-8bee-f2dd-03fb-d1598a8972d3@suddenlink.net>
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> 
> I thank you all for the kind and positive comments.? I can't tell you
> how much that means to me.
> 
> I don't mean to complain about customers asking questions, just silly
> ones like 'how much is this bulb?'.? I try to answer all questions, and
> give advice where necessary.? In these modern times, it is rare to be
> able to communicate with a real person, only with the small specialty
> nurseries will you get personalized care.?? That makes it special for me
> too, I feel I know some of my customers.? People send me pictures of
> their bulbs, or of their greenhouses or gardens, and that is really
> wonderful, I feel I have friends all over the world.
> 
> Again, many thanks for your supportive comments.
> 
> Diana
> Telos
>> For great, unusual plants I?ll happily deal with a non-professionally
> designed website.  I?m hot after the plants not the graphic design.  So as
> long as I can figure out how to pick the plant and pay for it I?m good.
>> 
>> Jan
>> 
>>> On Feb 17, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Arnold Trachtenberg via pbs
> <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> i think we can show our thanks to Diane and Robin by patronizing their
> nurseries.
>>> Even if it's only  a bulb or two.
>>> 
>>> I heard a quote once about small specialist nurseries.
>>> How do you make some money with a specialist nursery?
>>> "Start with a lot of money"
>>> 
>>> ArnoldSnow coming in NJ
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Vlad Hempel via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
>>> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
>>> Cc: Vlad Hempel <vlad.hempel@gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Wed, Feb 17, 2021 3:57 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [pbs] Telos Rare Bulbs
>>> 
>>> If I may add my two cents:
>>> 
>>> Diana, I find your website good enough for what it is.
>>> 
>>> Being a bulb enthusiast myself and not from US, I took time to read
> through
>>> the conditions (especially the international orders page).
>>> 
>>> I think your request about name and address is essential.
>>> 
>>> Please continue to offers these gems. There are hardly any place that
> offer
>>> so many generas and species in one place.
>>> 
>>> Greetings from Berlin,
>>> Vlad
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed 17. Feb 2021 at 21:43 Diana Chapman via pbs <
>>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Thank you, Robin.  It has actually taken me the best part of three weeks
>>>> just to update the availability on the web site, and I still have the
>>>> greenhouses to take care of and orders to fill.  As for hiring someone
>>>> to do it, I couldn't possibly afford it, and anyway, I tried some time
>>>> back to have someone make a cd of bulbs that I would provide to
>>>> customers and it was a total nightmare, she couldn't understand the
>>>> names, couldn't spell them, even with me going over them carefully, and
>>>> I finally abandoned it.  So, if my web site is clunky and 'not modern',
>>>> that's the way it is.  I have rarely had any complaints about it.
>>>> 
>>>> Diana
>>>> Telos
>>>>> A suggestion that revamping our websites that would avoid questions and
>>>> other issues is great. But when you're a single proprietor with no paid
>>>> help and when revamping takes an incredible amount of time and
> resources,
>>>> it's much, much more difficult. We struggle along as best we can and
> make
>>>> changes as we can, but for me the last two years have been very
> difficult
>>>> due to family issues, a major move and other obligations. Oh, yes, and a
>>>> grandson who is no longer readily available... Given the pandemic and
> the
>>>> fact that we all have family, often elderly or otherwise needing
>>>> assistance, things don't happen as quickly or efficiently as they
> should.
>>>>> Right now I'm faced with at least updating some website information and
>>>> finding the time, let alone determining the best way to do it, can be
>>>> roadblocks in themselves.
>>>>> So, these upgrades will get done, but for specialist nurseries, these
>>>> take a lower priority than making sure we have unusual and/or rare
> plants
>>>> available for the plant lovers who support us. Personally, I'll put up
> with
>>>> clunky websites to get what I want, knowing I can't get a plant anywhere
>>>> else nearly as easily.
>>>>> Robin Hansen
>>>>> Hansen Nursery
>>>>> In the southern wilds of Coos County, Oregon
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 16:26:00 -0800
> From: M Gastil-Buhl <gastil.buhl@gmail.com>
> To: pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> Subject: [pbs] Telos Rare Bulbs
> Message-ID:
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> I agree the Telos website works well enough. I would much prefer a simple
> website and excellent bulbs like Telos offers than some fancy site like
> Zappos and ordinary or inferior bulbs. And I appreciate that it is Diana
> who corresponds. I know how much effort goes into growing these bulbs from
> seed so her nursery is a treasure.
> 
> I ordered several species I had not grown before last year and am having a
> lot of fun watching them. This week my Tropaeolum azureum began blooming.
> From a tuber the size of a garbanzo bean and a thin thread of a shoot, an
> amazing canopy loaded with flower buds has scrambled all over the
> pollinator exclusion net I built around it. In the attached photo I placed
> a T. hookerianum bloom beside the T. azureum to show how much more blue the
> latter has.
> 
> I usually grow from seed but I have not gotten this species seed to
> germinate. I have several tiny pots this year, some still in the fridge,
> and some taken out after various lengths of cooling. None have emerged yet.
> Well this year I will have lots of seed, if I get out there with my paint
> brush. I am waiting for a day less windy. The blooms which have escaped the
> netting could be cross pollenated by T. hookerianum since it is a cloud of
> purple only 10 m away and loaded with bees. The bees have not yet found the
> T. azureum.
> 
> As Jim mentioned, it has been unusually dry and windy. Some bulb leaves
> already have tips turning brown even though I have been carrying buckets of
> saved rain water for what seems like hours each day. My barrels are below
> half capacity now so it better rain again before summer.
> 
> Gastil
> Santa Barbara, California
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 18:18:22 -0800
> From: "R Hansen" <bulbnut@hansennursery.com>
> To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Telos Rare Bulbs
> Message-ID: <005a01d7059c$551007f0$ff3017d0$@hansennursery.com>
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> 
> As Diana at Telos comments, the customers are the reason we enjoy what we do
> so much. The photos they send, the comments they make, even occasionally the
> plants they send us, are what make the nursery business so worthwhile and
> enjoyable. It's particularly rewarding to deal with the same customers year
> after year.
> 
> Sure, there are a small minority with smartphone trigger finger, a modern
> disease I think we're stuck with, but we learn as much from our customers as
> they learn from us. I've worked for other nurseries, fortunately smaller
> nurseries where we get to know our customers and can better meet their needs
> and enjoyed those jobs a lot.  Even a current wholesale customer is a joy to
> work with as they make a strenuous effort to know their suppliers.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Robin @ Hansen Nursery
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 21:47:53 -0500
> From: John Willis <macjohn@mac.com>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Telos Rare Bulbs
> Message-ID: <78EB81D4-F48A-4B9B-ADA6-B2C247CAA1D7@mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=utf-8
> 
> Well all the discussion prompted me to make a long overdue order.  Goes out
> in the mail tomorrow.  ? jw
> 
>>> On Feb 17, 2021, at 7:11 PM, Diana Chapman via pbs
>> <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I thank you all for the kind and positive comments.  I can't tell you how
> much that means to me.
>> 
>> I don't mean to complain about customers asking questions, just silly ones
> like 'how much is this bulb?'.  I try to answer all questions, and give
> advice where necessary.  In these modern times, it is rare to be able to
> communicate with a real person, only with the small specialty nurseries will
> you get personalized care.   That makes it special for me too, I feel I know
> some of my customers.  People send me pictures of their bulbs, or of their
> greenhouses or gardens, and that is really wonderful, I feel I have friends
> all over the world.
>> 
>> Again, many thanks for your supportive comments.
>> 
>> Diana
>> Telos
>>> For great, unusual plants I?ll happily deal with a non-professionally
> designed website.  I?m hot after the plants not the graphic design.  So as
> long as I can figure out how to pick the plant and pay for it I?m good.
>>> 
>>> Jan
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 17, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Arnold Trachtenberg via pbs
> <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> i think we can show our thanks to Diane and Robin by patronizing their
> nurseries.
>>>> Even if it's only  a bulb or two.
>>>> 
>>>> I heard a quote once about small specialist nurseries.
>>>> How do you make some money with a specialist nursery?
>>>> "Start with a lot of money"
>>>> 
>>>> ArnoldSnow coming in NJ
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Vlad Hempel via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
>>>> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
>>>> Cc: Vlad Hempel <vlad.hempel@gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: Wed, Feb 17, 2021 3:57 pm
>>>> Subject: Re: [pbs] Telos Rare Bulbs
>>>> 
>>>> If I may add my two cents:
>>>> 
>>>> Diana, I find your website good enough for what it is.
>>>> 
>>>> Being a bulb enthusiast myself and not from US, I took time to read
> through
>>>> the conditions (especially the international orders page).
>>>> 
>>>> I think your request about name and address is essential.
>>>> 
>>>> Please continue to offers these gems. There are hardly any place that
> offer
>>>> so many generas and species in one place.
>>>> 
>>>> Greetings from Berlin,
>>>> Vlad
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed 17. Feb 2021 at 21:43 Diana Chapman via pbs <
>>>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you, Robin.  It has actually taken me the best part of three
> weeks
>>>>> just to update the availability on the web site, and I still have the
>>>>> greenhouses to take care of and orders to fill.  As for hiring someone
>>>>> to do it, I couldn't possibly afford it, and anyway, I tried some time
>>>>> back to have someone make a cd of bulbs that I would provide to
>>>>> customers and it was a total nightmare, she couldn't understand the
>>>>> names, couldn't spell them, even with me going over them carefully, and
>>>>> I finally abandoned it.  So, if my web site is clunky and 'not modern',
>>>>> that's the way it is.  I have rarely had any complaints about it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Diana
>>>>> Telos
>>>>>> A suggestion that revamping our websites that would avoid questions
> and
>>>>> other issues is great. But when you're a single proprietor with no paid
>>>>> help and when revamping takes an incredible amount of time and
> resources,
>>>>> it's much, much more difficult. We struggle along as best we can and
> make
>>>>> changes as we can, but for me the last two years have been very
> difficult
>>>>> due to family issues, a major move and other obligations. Oh, yes, and
> a
>>>>> grandson who is no longer readily available... Given the pandemic and
> the
>>>>> fact that we all have family, often elderly or otherwise needing
>>>>> assistance, things don't happen as quickly or efficiently as they
> should.
>>>>>> Right now I'm faced with at least updating some website information
> and
>>>>> finding the time, let alone determining the best way to do it, can be
>>>>> roadblocks in themselves.
>>>>>> So, these upgrades will get done, but for specialist nurseries, these
>>>>> take a lower priority than making sure we have unusual and/or rare
> plants
>>>>> available for the plant lovers who support us. Personally, I'll put up
> with
>>>>> clunky websites to get what I want, knowing I can't get a plant
> anywhere
>>>>> else nearly as easily.
>>>>>> Robin Hansen
>>>>>> Hansen Nursery
>>>>>> In the southern wilds of Coos County, Oregon
>>>>>> 
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> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 21:52:43 -0500
> From: John Willis <willis@fred.net>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Telos Rare Bulbs
> Message-ID: <47A61574-D0BA-4DA4-9831-F838A9198908@fred.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=utf-8
> 
> Well all the discussion prompted me to make a long overdue order.  Goes out
> in the mail tomorrow.  ? jw
> 
>> On Feb 17, 2021, at 7:11 PM, Diana Chapman via pbs
> <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net <mailto:pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>>
> wrote:
>> 
>> I thank you all for the kind and positive comments.  I can't tell you how
> much that means to me.
>> 
>> I don't mean to complain about customers asking questions, just silly ones
> like 'how much is this bulb?'.  I try to answer all questions, and give
> advice where necessary.  In these modern times, it is rare to be able to
> communicate with a real person, only with the small specialty nurseries will
> you get personalized care.   That makes it special for me too, I feel I know
> some of my customers.  People send me pictures of their bulbs, or of their
> greenhouses or gardens, and that is really wonderful, I feel I have friends
> all over the world.
>> 
>> Again, many thanks for your supportive comments.
>> 
>> Diana
>> Telos
>>> For great, unusual plants I?ll happily deal with a non-professionally
> designed website.  I?m hot after the plants not the graphic design.  So as
> long as I can figure out how to pick the plant and pay for it I?m good.
>>> 
>>> Jan
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 17, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Arnold Trachtenberg via pbs
> <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net <mailto:pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>>
> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> i think we can show our thanks to Diane and Robin by patronizing their
> nurseries.
>>>> Even if it's only  a bulb or two.
>>>> 
>>>> I heard a quote once about small specialist nurseries.
>>>> How do you make some money with a specialist nursery?
>>>> "Start with a lot of money"
>>>> 
>>>> ArnoldSnow coming in NJ
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Vlad Hempel via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net
> <mailto:pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>>
>>>> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net
> <mailto:pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>>
>>>> Cc: Vlad Hempel <vlad.hempel@gmail.com <mailto:vlad.hempel@gmail.com>>
>>>> Sent: Wed, Feb 17, 2021 3:57 pm
>>>> Subject: Re: [pbs] Telos Rare Bulbs
>>>> 
>>>> If I may add my two cents:
>>>> 
>>>> Diana, I find your website good enough for what it is.
>>>> 
>>>> Being a bulb enthusiast myself and not from US, I took time to read
> through
>>>> the conditions (especially the international orders page).
>>>> 
>>>> I think your request about name and address is essential.
>>>> 
>>>> Please continue to offers these gems. There are hardly any place that
> offer
>>>> so many generas and species in one place.
>>>> 
>>>> Greetings from Berlin,
>>>> Vlad
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed 17. Feb 2021 at 21:43 Diana Chapman via pbs <
>>>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net
> <mailto:pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you, Robin.  It has actually taken me the best part of three
> weeks
>>>>> just to update the availability on the web site, and I still have the
>>>>> greenhouses to take care of and orders to fill.  As for hiring someone
>>>>> to do it, I couldn't possibly afford it, and anyway, I tried some time
>>>>> back to have someone make a cd of bulbs that I would provide to
>>>>> customers and it was a total nightmare, she couldn't understand the
>>>>> names, couldn't spell them, even with me going over them carefully, and
>>>>> I finally abandoned it.  So, if my web site is clunky and 'not modern',
>>>>> that's the way it is.  I have rarely had any complaints about it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Diana
>>>>> Telos
>>>>>> A suggestion that revamping our websites that would avoid questions
> and
>>>>> other issues is great. But when you're a single proprietor with no paid
>>>>> help and when revamping takes an incredible amount of time and
> resources,
>>>>> it's much, much more difficult. We struggle along as best we can and
> make
>>>>> changes as we can, but for me the last two years have been very
> difficult
>>>>> due to family issues, a major move and other obligations. Oh, yes, and
> a
>>>>> grandson who is no longer readily available... Given the pandemic and
> the
>>>>> fact that we all have family, often elderly or otherwise needing
>>>>> assistance, things don't happen as quickly or efficiently as they
> should.
>>>>>> Right now I'm faced with at least updating some website information
> and
>>>>> finding the time, let alone determining the best way to do it, can be
>>>>> roadblocks in themselves.
>>>>>> So, these upgrades will get done, but for specialist nurseries, these
>>>>> take a lower priority than making sure we have unusual and/or rare
> plants
>>>>> available for the plant lovers who support us. Personally, I'll put up
> with
>>>>> clunky websites to get what I want, knowing I can't get a plant
> anywhere
>>>>> else nearly as easily.
>>>>>> Robin Hansen
>>>>>> Hansen Nursery
>>>>>> In the southern wilds of Coos County, Oregon
>>>>>> 
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> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 19:06:58 -0800
> From: Robert Parks <trolleypup@gmail.com>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Telos Rare Bulbs
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> For years I produced my family's nursery catalog (remember paper catalogs),
> and later also converted the catalog to html each year (long before online
> shops). That was a giant yearly project...and I was 3000 miles away from
> actual operations.
> 
> Sitting here, I glance over at my garden spreadsheet and shudder at the
> thought of converting it to a presentable and useful online catalog...and
> doing it in a way that it is maintainable and easily updated. Knowing that
> whatever solution I choose, there will be many dozens of hours of work
> before something workable results...time where I would be away from work,
> the garden, and any other personal activities I might indulge in, time that
> I wouldn't get back, nor compensated for.
> 
> It is really easy to understand the choice to keep legacy systems going
> when the commitment to change is so expensive (time/labor/money)...and the
> replacement never works perfectly for you, since it is alway a mass market
> system with limited or expensive customization. We have three interlocking
> systems at work, one an enormous spreadsheet that is manually updated, but
> produces the reports needed, and easily workable, another commercial system
> that does its job pretty well, mostly because of an inhouse software
> wizard, and a standardized system that replaces a completely obsolete
> system that had once been well customized...it does nothing well, is
> ferociously difficult to use for everyone, but is what we are stuck with
> since a previous administration wanted to get the resume entry for
> "updating this obsolete system". No, they don't talk to each other, except
> for a few limited digital reports that are sent occasionally. I will note
> that you can get an answer out of the spreadsheet faster than you can get
> either of the other systems started up.
> 
> Anyway. Kudos to the small independent nurseries that supply my plant
> habits, so long as the websites have the basic information, I can do my due
> diligence. If they add deeper descriptions and information, provide images,
> and have a workable navigation interface, wow, that is a major plus!
> 
> Now, if you will excuse me, I _need_ to go pore over the Telos offerings.
> I'm sure I'll find a "few" items I can't live without!
> 
> Robert
> in sunny pleasant San Francisco where this week's biggest flower show is
> fields of Oxalis pes-caprae in full glorious invasiveness.
> 
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 4:12 PM Diana Chapman via pbs <
> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:
> 
>> I thank you all for the kind and positive comments.  I can't tell you
>> how much that means to me.
>> 
>> I don't mean to complain about customers asking questions, just silly
>> ones like 'how much is this bulb?'.  I try to answer all questions, and
>> give advice where necessary.  In these modern times, it is rare to be
>> able to communicate with a real person, only with the small specialty
>> nurseries will you get personalized care.   That makes it special for me
>> too, I feel I know some of my customers.  People send me pictures of
>> their bulbs, or of their greenhouses or gardens, and that is really
>> wonderful, I feel I have friends all over the world.
>> 
>> Again, many thanks for your supportive comments.
>> 
>> Diana
>> Telos
>>> For great, unusual plants I?ll happily deal with a non-professionally
>> designed website.  I?m hot after the plants not the graphic design.  So as
>> long as I can figure out how to pick the plant and pay for it I?m good.
>>> 
>>> Jan
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 17, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Arnold Trachtenberg via pbs <
>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> i think we can show our thanks to Diane and Robin by patronizing their
>> nurseries.
>>>> Even if it's only  a bulb or two.
>>>> 
>>>> I heard a quote once about small specialist nurseries.
>>>> How do you make some money with a specialist nursery?
>>>> "Start with a lot of money"
>>>> 
>>>> ArnoldSnow coming in NJ
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Vlad Hempel via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
>>>> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
>>>> Cc: Vlad Hempel <vlad.hempel@gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: Wed, Feb 17, 2021 3:57 pm
>>>> Subject: Re: [pbs] Telos Rare Bulbs
>>>> 
>>>> If I may add my two cents:
>>>> 
>>>> Diana, I find your website good enough for what it is.
>>>> 
>>>> Being a bulb enthusiast myself and not from US, I took time to read
>> through
>>>> the conditions (especially the international orders page).
>>>> 
>>>> I think your request about name and address is essential.
>>>> 
>>>> Please continue to offers these gems. There are hardly any place that
>> offer
>>>> so many generas and species in one place.
>>>> 
>>>> Greetings from Berlin,
>>>> Vlad
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed 17. Feb 2021 at 21:43 Diana Chapman via pbs <
>>>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you, Robin.  It has actually taken me the best part of three
>> weeks
>>>>> just to update the availability on the web site, and I still have the
>>>>> greenhouses to take care of and orders to fill.  As for hiring someone
>>>>> to do it, I couldn't possibly afford it, and anyway, I tried some time
>>>>> back to have someone make a cd of bulbs that I would provide to
>>>>> customers and it was a total nightmare, she couldn't understand the
>>>>> names, couldn't spell them, even with me going over them carefully,
> and
>>>>> I finally abandoned it.  So, if my web site is clunky and 'not
> modern',
>>>>> that's the way it is.  I have rarely had any complaints about it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Diana
>>>>> Telos
>>>>>> A suggestion that revamping our websites that would avoid questions
>> and
>>>>> other issues is great. But when you're a single proprietor with no
> paid
>>>>> help and when revamping takes an incredible amount of time and
>> resources,
>>>>> it's much, much more difficult. We struggle along as best we can and
>> make
>>>>> changes as we can, but for me the last two years have been very
>> difficult
>>>>> due to family issues, a major move and other obligations. Oh, yes, and
>> a
>>>>> grandson who is no longer readily available... Given the pandemic and
>> the
>>>>> fact that we all have family, often elderly or otherwise needing
>>>>> assistance, things don't happen as quickly or efficiently as they
>> should.
>>>>>> Right now I'm faced with at least updating some website information
>> and
>>>>> finding the time, let alone determining the best way to do it, can be
>>>>> roadblocks in themselves.
>>>>>> So, these upgrades will get done, but for specialist nurseries, these
>>>>> take a lower priority than making sure we have unusual and/or rare
>> plants
>>>>> available for the plant lovers who support us. Personally, I'll put up
>> with
>>>>> clunky websites to get what I want, knowing I can't get a plant
>> anywhere
>>>>> else nearly as easily.
>>>>>> Robin Hansen
>>>>>> Hansen Nursery
>>>>>> In the southern wilds of Coos County, Oregon
>>>>>> 
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> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 21:12:15 -0800
> From: Jane McGary <janemcgary@earthlink.net>
> To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Iris histrioides/A. belladonna
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> Iris histroides does better here in places where it gets little or no
> summer water. It does well in full sun.
> 
> Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA
> 
>> On 2/17/2021 2:07 PM, edward mccaleb via pbs wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Wondering if anyone can tell me what I?m doing wrong withIris
> histrioides.? I live not too farfrom the confluence of the Cape Fear R. and
> the Atlantic, a USDA 8B zone.?? We are protected from weather
> extremes(except hurricanes) by the gulf stream, which is not too far
> offshore.
>> 
>> For several years I?ve tried growing I. histrioides withoutsuccess.?
> Planted them in areas receivingfull sun (10 hrs) w/ well drained soils (sand
> mixed with a little mulch/manure)in multiple locations.? This year Ipotted
> them in a mixture of #57 gravel and a little potting mix. I thought thisan
> early blooming species, but so far not even a nudge of green above grade.?
> Miz Lawrence identifies this an "easy" species.
>> 
>> Any suggestions?
>> Also, has anyone ever had success with Amaryllis belladonna inthe area?? I
> purchased a few bulbs years ago, theygerminated easily enough and are now
> fully leafed out.? The foliage typically dies back as the hotweather arrives
> and they remain dormant the autumn (November here).? Going on five years
> now, it has neverflowered.? Should I have any hope that itever will?
>> Thanks!Edward
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