I don't know about the rest of you, but I found it very challenging to try to figure out which species our photos were on the wiki after Duncan split Lachenalia aloides into 7 species in 2012. Even looking at the photos in his book didn't always help me. I even made a chart, with the various differences and still wasn't sure. I tried to describe the differences from his book on the wiki and to qualify the wording about what I finally decided to use as the photos that illustrated the species to say it could be.... From the wiki, "Lachenalia aloides is sister to Lachenalia quadricolor. Both have bright yellow to greenish yellow outer and inner tepals with the outer tepals with green apical gibbosities and the inner with deep red or purple markings. Lachenalia aloides has a longer perianth tube, longer outer tepals and inner tepals that have broad red or purplish red apices with white margins. The inner tepals of Lachenalia quadricolor have apices that are slightly flared and deep purple magenta." Then there is Lachenalia luteola. I wrote about it: "The typical forms have greenish-yellow, yellowish-green or mustard outer and inner tepals with green markings; the top of the flowering stalk is bright reddish-orange or mustard yellow. Other forms have outer tepals that are bright reddish-orange at the base, shading to bright yellow with green markings and inner tepals that are bright yellow or greenish yellow with magenta markings." I think there is no doubt that Chad's amazing photo shows plants that are L. aloides or quadricolor. If you compare the watercolor paintings in Duncan's book, it looks more like L. quadricolor. Arnold's is less clear, but more like L. aloides or perhaps L. luteola and there is always a possibility with any of the ones we grow from seed that they could be hybrids. If you look at photos in iNaturalist you will see a wide variation in the photos of each species so that doesn't necessarily help. I punted before I got to Lachenalia thunbergii and have always intended to go back and add a description of it. If Julian Slade and/or Alan Horstmann are still on this list and reading this, please give us your opinion or anyone else who feels knowledgeable about this genus. I'd be happy to add Chad and Arnold's photos to the wiki once there is agreement about what they are. Also I'd welcome an opinion about the photos on the wiki. It's very hard when we have photos for something that gets split 7 ways and no way to measure from a photo. Also looking at the Lachenalias I have grown under the name aloides, they look different at different stages which just adds to the confusion. Thank goodness for L. vanzyliae and L. flava. At least those two that were split out of L. aloides are distinctive enough there is less confusion. Duncan lumped Lachenalia gillettii W.F.Barker, Lachenalia pustulata Jacq., and Lachenalia unicolor Jacq. into Lachenalia pallida Aiton and I thought some of these species looked different so I never got around to moving them on the wiki although I did note at the time I worked on those pages that Duncan was proposing to include all of them in L. pallida. Mary Sue _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>