Jan, I'm not saying you are wrong, those are all perfectly good reasons to not handle recalcitrant seed. Lee, if it comes down to it, I could do this...better than discarding unusual seed. Robert [image: width=] <http://avg.com/email-signature/…> Virus-free.http://www.avg.com/ <http://avg.com/email-signature/…> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 11:18 AM Jan Jeddeloh via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > In running the seed exchange I am assuming that the dry amaryllid seed has > reasonable viability and can last a few months until I run the next seed > exchange. The issue with the big, honking moist seeds is that they often > start germinating in transit and then I have a tender delicate radicle to > deal with. Somehow I have to not destroy the radicle in packaging and > mailing the seed and the post office has to cooperate in this endeavor. If > growers mail directly to the people who want the seed it cuts out the time > in transit and handling. > > I will also flatly state that I’m not willing to act as a "short order > cook in dealing with the seed exchange". I’m already getting out fresher > seed than you can get from the NARGS seed exchange. Even if I just have > one or two species to deal there are still a lot of steps in sending out > the seed. I have to enter seed in a spread sheet, package it so it stays > moist so preferably in vermiculite or something similar, write the blurb, > post it online, collect orders, deal with questions about orders, > randomize orders. Then I need to fill the orders of the few lucky people, > This involves setting up for Stamps.com <http://stamps.com/>. So first I > fight physically with the mess of cords and then I get to fix with > whatever glitches the software throws at me this time. Actually mailing > out the seed is then pretty easy, lucky. Basically I’m not willing to go > through this whole rigamarole several times a year for just a few seed. > Ideally I’d just do a couple of seed exchanges a year. > > So this is why I’m not willing to take seeds of plants that are likely to > start germinating in the process. > > Jan Jeddeloh > > > > > On Sep 14, 2022, at 10:34 AM, Robert Parks via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > > > I would expect that seeds with brief viability would have some outliers > > that would germinate well past the expected Sow By date...but the > > recalcitrant seed from the amaryllids simply won't wait to germinate. > > Regardless of conditions...drops on the ground in the sunny Indian > Summer? > > Germinates and dessicates. Put it in the fridge, dry? Germinates and > > dessicates. Sowed on/in any medium at most any temperature with > moisture? I > > hope you wanted more of them, because the viability is near 100%! > > > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 10:21 AM Jane McGary via pbs < > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > > >> I wonder if all the seeds that people believe have brief viability are > >> actually so fussy. I've been growing plants from seed for 40 years, and > >> I often take a chance with such species even when the seed has been > >> stored and badly handled, for instance in a large seedex. It is > >> surprising how often a few seeds will germinate and grow on. It would > >> make evolutionary sense for a plant to produce seeds with a range of > >> viability periods. However, it's true that I don't grow the subtropical > >> amaryllids on which this discussion seems to center. > >> > >> Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA > >> > >> On 9/14/2022 8:02 AM, Shoal Creek Succulents via pbs wrote: > >>> I offered to do it too, privately. > >>> Heat packs can be offered at addtl charge should a member in a colder > >> area > >>> want to participate. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 9:55 AM Robert Parks via pbs < > >>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Dealing with recalcitrant seed is a challenge, and as the season goes > >> on, > >>>> becomes regional, as the seed isn't frost hardy, so cannot be shipped > >>>> throughout the USA. > >>>> > >>>> That said, I'd be willing to do it. After all, I do my own every year, > >> both > >>>> recalcitrant seed, and tender bulbs in winter. > >>>> > >>>> Out front, the Nerine filifolia is in glorious bloom, soon to be > >> followed > >>>> by a profusion of seeds with about a fortnight of dormancy. > >>>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> pbs mailing list > >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > >> Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > >> PBS Forum latest: > >> https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php/… > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > > Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > > PBS Forum latest: > https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php/… > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > PBS Forum latest: > https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php/… > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> PBS Forum https://…