Facebook/Meta and its subsidiary Instagram seem to require accounts to view content. I have accounts with neither. When people send me links to content they post I reach a login screen, not the content. Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA Zone 9? Sent from Proton Mail mobile -------- Original Message -------- On Feb 15, 2023, 04:00, wrote: > Send pbs mailing list submissions to pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net You can reach the person managing the list at pbs-owner@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." List-Post: To: Subject: Re: [pbs] Email list and forum Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > I would happily handle an Instagram account for PBS. (I often post on my account about PBS.) Oooo! That sparks a thought. I've been learning about different ways of managing the social sites (background: I work in a tech company that has a full-time social marketing manager; she's been teaching me.) Each one of them is different in terms of the types of content that work well, but it's usually some combination of pictures and/or very short videos. Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, etc. Anyone who is, like Bridget, a member of a particular site will know what works there. As Robin said, managing a full PBS presence on all the social sites would be a lot of work because you need to maintain the conversation -- respond to comments, comment on other people's things, etc. But you don't have to use the social sites that way. You can just post things periodically as a means of building awareness for the Society, to attract new members and visitors to the wiki. Like Bridget said, a photo of the week or a photo of the day or whatever pace you want. In at least some of the social sites, you can turn off comments so you don't have to monitor anything. I think that could be much easier to manage for PBS. When we have a volunteer who wants to be our ambassador to a social site, we give them the PBS account login info for that site and let them post. If they get tired of posting, the account goes dormant until there's a new volunteer. I think it can scale up or down based on the enthusiasm of our volunteers. Might be worthwhile to give it a try with one of the sites... Mike ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2023 07:08:26 -0800 From: James Shao To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] Email list and forum Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" At least on the Facebook side, there is the ability to set up posts to land up to 2 months in advance for something likely a weekly or twice weekly plant of the week or other informational post. James On Tue, Feb 14, 2023, 6:58 AM Michael Mace via pbs wrote: > > I would happily handle an Instagram account for PBS. (I often post on my > account about PBS.) > > Oooo! That sparks a thought. > > I've been learning about different ways of managing the social sites > (background: I work in a tech company that has a full-time social marketing > manager; she's been teaching me.) Ea ch one of them is different in terms of > the types of content that work well, but it's usually some combination of > pictures and/or very short videos. Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, > etc. Anyone who is, like Bridget, a member of a particular site will know > what works there. > > As Robin said, managing a full PBS presence on all the social sites would > be > a lot of work because you need to maintain the conversation -- respond to > comments, comment on other people's things, etc. But you don't have to use > the social sites that way. You can just post things periodically as a means > of building awareness for the Society, to attract new members and visitors > to the wiki. Like Bridget said, a photo of the week or a photo of the day > or > whatever pace you want. In at least some of the social sites, you can turn > off comments so you don't have to monitor anything. > > I think that could be much easier to manage for PBS. When we have a > volunteer who wants to be our amb assador to a social site, we give them the > PBS account login info for that site and let them post. If they get tired > of > posting, the account goes dormant until there's a new volunteer. I think it > can scale up or down based on the enthusiasm of our volunteers. > > Might be worthwhile to give it a try with one of the sites... > > Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest: > https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php/… > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2023 15:17:38 +0000 (UTC) From: Robert Lauf To: Michael Mace via pbs Subject: Re: [pbs] Email list and forum Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Does our membership application ask, "How did you learn about us?"? That might be interesting to know.? Unlike more local societies, we don't put on a show where people can stumble in and be awed by the things on display. Does PBS have an advertising budget per se?? Do we ever run ads in related publications of national or international plant societies such as AIS, AOS, etc.?? I realize that costs real money, as opposed to social media that can be done mostly by volunteers.? Ads might cost too much for the number of members they might land, but maybe there is something cheaper like flyers that can be placed at garden shows in big cities.? Has anyone developed an overall strategic evaluation of all these things as components in a larger publicity and recruitment activity? Bob? ? finally seeing some sun in Oak Ridge ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2023 09:02:12 -0800 From: "Linda P. Wulf" To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net Subject: Re: [pbs] pbs Digest, Vol 72, Issue 9 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" At a different community to which I belong, we joke that before you suggest changes, be sure you want to offer your own time to implement them. I am grateful to all those who put in hours of volunteer time to make PBS work. Linda Press Wulf, Berkeley, Northern California On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 4:00 AM wrote: > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post: List-Archive: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Email list and forum (David Pilling) > 2. Re: Email list and forum (Lesley Richardson) > 3. Re: pbs Digest, Vol 72, Issue 8 (Denis Kearns) > 4. Re: Email list and forum (Matt Mattus) > 5. Re: Email list and forum (Diane Whitehead) > 6. Re: Email list and forum (R Hansen) > 7. Next EU BX in the pipeline (Uli) > 8. Re: Email list and forum (Jan Jeddeloh) > 9. Re: Email list and forum (R Hansen) > 10. Re: Email list and forum (Bridget Wosczyna) > 11. Re: Email list and forum (michaelcmace@gmail.com) > 12. Re: Email list and forum (Christine Doud) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 12:52:09 +0000 > From: David Pilling > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: Re: [pbs] Email list and forum > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Hi, > > From my perspective, the forum came from users not from the board. We > had years of the 'list being criticized as unfit to be on the internet, > and a forum being touted as the solution. > > We're not limited to the current mailman 2 software. Let me know if you > have a better solution. > > My preferences: > > open source, non-proprietary, free > ability for users to choose their delivery format (html or text, > pictures or not) > web-archive which we own > run under PBS domain name. > > There's the 'audience' problem, we've run a low bandwidth text maillist > for many years, the current users are those who like that solution. > Changing to anything else will upset more than it will please. > > I like groups.io the admin burden is much smaller. What I have against > it, is that they want a lot of money to run it under your own domain. > > I can flick a switch and this will be a html 'list with pictures. But is > anyone going to be unhappy when they get 100MB of pictures in their > mailbox. > > When we did have pictures on the 'list, I got complaints that the size > allowed (many MB) was too small. > > > > -- > David Pilling > http://www.davidpilling.com/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 07:36:01 -0800 > From: Lesley Richardson > To: Pacific Bulb Societ y > Cc: Johannes-Ulrich Urban > Subject: Re: [pbs] Email list and forum > Message-ID: > Og_OepZSwJ3RJc_esrfQ_3kCTY1Q@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Agree with Ulrich. Keeping a website, emails etc., safe from being hacked > and in good order is a lot of work and I am grateful, even as a lapsed > member. The knowledge shared so freely with us all is priceless. > Lesley > > On Sun, Feb 12, 2023, 5:21 PM Johannes-Ulrich Urban via pbs pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > > Hello Ottoline, Robert and hello All, > > > > Having read the comments on the email list in the recent postings, I > would > > like to mention some points. > > > > It was a thoroughly discussed and long prepared decision of the board to > > start the forum. Within the email list there was more and more criticism > > that it was technically outdated and very many people had difficulties in > > posting pictures or did not succeed at all. Every time this happened the > > issue was taken on individually by our webmaster David who is working in > > the background, mostly invisible but still like clockwork. Please > consider > > his workload which had to be reduced. So pictures can no longer be posted > > in the old email list. The management of an email list is also a time > > consuming process handled by several members, invisible and in the > > background as well. > > > > All this is much easier with a forum, demanding much less manpower. > > > > Those of you who receive the list in digest form (like me) will have > > sighed not only once about the chain of replies to replies to replies?? > > often difficult to find the actual new message; that alone was a reason > to > > do something about it. > > > > We are aware that the transition to the new forum may be difficult for > > some participants. Speaking for myself I found it difficult too and I > have > > always liked the email list. My very first start with a computer, > internet > > and email was with t his list and the Pacific Bulb Society. I am not the > > youngest and I am for sure not a computer nerd?? > > But now I find the forum easy to use. > > We have offered help, this offer is still valid, please contact one of > the > > board members if you need assistance. > > For those of you who have not yet dared themselves into the forum, it is > > very easy, just try. I counted the clicks, you need 3 (three) after > opening > > the PBS website. After these three clicks you can see loads of good > > pictures, or participate in discussions. (Open the website, Click on > Forum, > > then for example on Current Photographs and another click on February > > Photos will open many current pictures. You can click on any pictures to > > enlarge it. That would be the fourth click?? > > > > I also needed help several times at some points which was always given in > > the same friendly way as usual. > > > > Bye for now > > > > Uli > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > > Unsubscribe: > > PBS Forum latest: > > https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php/… > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 10:15:12 -0800 > From: Denis Kearns > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: Re: [pbs] pbs Digest, Vol 72, Issue 8 > Message-ID: > es1uw0Xvp7A@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Just wanted to express my appreciation for all the great folks who have > volunteered their time in making PBS an excellent society and web > presence. Although the email that caused some excitement was unfortunate, > the reality is that certain individuals have personality traits destructive > to the cooperative environment needed for the PBS board. I?ve been > involved with various groups and have experienced the damage a single > individual can do. I appla ud the board in recognizing and avoiding the > problems from an unsuitable candidate. > > And now, an opinion: Cuba has many issues, but they do value education > (literacy rate in 2022 was almost 100% versus 79% for US) and all citizens > have access to high quality health care. In light of that, I do appreciate > the PBS following Cuba?s example with our strong emphasis on education and > a concern for the health of our society and our plants. > > Cheers and my Dichleostemmas are blooming, > > -Denis > > Message: 4 > On Sunday, 12 Feb 2023 at 16:42:45 Robert Lauf via pbs pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net: > > Yes, it would be nice to allow members to vote on lots of things, but the > PBS governance model appears to be patterned on that of Cuba.? The Board > essentially elects its own members from a list of candidates they select > via an arbitrary, capricious, and completely opaque process, much like the > Politburo.? We were recently (inadvertently) given a glimpse into the inner > workings and attitudes at the Mother Ship and it wasn't a pretty picture.? > Nor surprisingly, many excellent people have better things to do than try > to improve things in the face of resistance, secrecy, and outright abuse.? > Is it any wonder that volunteers are hard to find in this environment? > It's time to send a few of the Commissars off the the Gulag and start > over.? Just my opinion, but feel free to make it your own. > Bob? Zone 7 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 13:29:12 -0500 > From: Matt Mattus > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] Email list and forum > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Has the board discussed using Instagram? > > This is probably a comment for far left field, but...so forgive me, as I'm > new to this current discussion... > > ....but, for me: > > The email lists are invasive when most of us receive 100+ emails a day > from elsewhere > Then and forums feel like a tec hnology that's quickly becoming outdated as > they require more steps and time (navigation and logging in). > > I imagine that there are many members already on Instagram, and it's > becoming the first plant I look when searching for images of a rare bulb, > though my second source remains the PBS. I suspect that I am not alone. > > Just curious. If this discussed already, my apologies. > > Matt > Matt Mattus > > Zone 6a > Worcester, MA > > > ?On 2/12/23, 11:36 PM, "pbs on behalf of Steve Marak via pbs" pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> on behalf of > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > wrote: > > > Hi Uli, Garak, and all, > > > As someone who is known to be skeptical of forums, I feel obliged to > respond. > > > First, I'll go out on a limb and say that I don't think people are > complaining that they didn't know the forum was coming, so much as that > there was really no debate and no one but the Board had any say in the > matter. That of course touches on the other matter being discussed today. > > > Personally, I have used forums since very soon after they appeared on > the scene, both personally and professionally. In the beginning, I also > hailed them as the coming thing which would surely be a great > improvement on that (all of a few decades old, at that time) dinosaur, > the mailing list. Unfortunately, newer is not always better. I'm not a > forum fan simply because things which were easy and intuitive with the > mailing list are now painful, and in a few cases apparently impossible, > with the forum. I can give you specific examples, and will privately if > you like, but that would be a rather long note. (I know this because I > wrote it, and after seeing the length, discarded it.) > > > I can and do use the forum - I worked with IT for many years. I get > frustrated with its shortcomings and quirks (it seems every one is > configured differently), but I have no fear of it. I will contribute > less than I did via email because the forum, even with a browser tab > left permanently open to it, is a pain. My sense is that a lot of other > people are contributing less than they used to, too. And I know specific > PBS members who are simply not going to make that transition at all. It > makes little sense to me to say "we have to worry about people who can > post to the mailing list but can't attach a picture" but NOT worry about > the people we're going to lose entirely, or whose contributions we will > reduce, if we take the mailing list away. They're less important? > > > Nothing, forum or email, is completely trouble free. But I'm a member of > mailing lists that have thousands of subscribers, allow image > attachments, and rarely have any issues (I know this because I know the > admins, and in one case have served as an emergency admin myself), so I > know it can be done. Now, doing it with Mailman, as David is forced to > do, is much harder; he and I have had some private di scussion about that > already, and there are definitely issues. This should not be construed > as any criticism of David, by the way - the issues are not his fault, > he spends a lot of time on PBS, and we're lucky to have him involved. He > deserves more thanks from us than he probably gets. > > > (I've been meaning to ping you about a Zantedeschia that came from you > many years ago, but as a peace offering after this post I'll do that on > the forum!) > > > Steve > > > On 2/12/2023 7:21 PM, Johannes-Ulrich Urban via pbs wrote: > > Hello Ottoline, Robert and hello All, > > > > Having read the comments on the email list in the recent postings, I > would like to mention some points. > > > > It was a thoroughly discussed and long prepared decision of the board to > start the forum. Within the email list there was more and more criticism > that it was technically outdated and very many people had difficulties in > posting pictures or did not succeed at all. Every time this happened th e > issue was taken on individually by our webmaster David who is working in > the background, mostly invisible but still like clockwork. Please consider > his workload which had to be reduced. So pictures can no longer be posted > in the old email list. The management of an email list is also a time > consuming process handled by several members, invisible and in the > background as well. > > > > All this is much easier with a forum, demanding much less manpower. > > > > Those of you who receive the list in digest form (like me) will have > sighed not only once about the chain of replies to replies to replies?? > often difficult to find the actual new message; that alone was a reason to > do something about it. > > > > We are aware that the transition to the new forum may be difficult for > some participants. Speaking for myself I found it difficult too and I have > always liked the email list. My very first start with a computer, internet > and email was with this list and the Pac ific Bulb Society. I am not the > youngest and I am for sure not a computer nerd?? > > But now I find the forum easy to use. > > We have offered help, this offer is still valid, please contact one of > the board members if you need assistance. > > For those of you who have not yet dared themselves into the forum, it is > very easy, just try. I counted the clicks, you need 3 (three) after opening > the PBS website. After these three clicks you can see loads of good > pictures, or participate in discussions. (Open the website, Click on Forum, > then for example on Current Photographs and another click on February > Photos will open many current pictures. You can click on any pictures to > enlarge it. That would be the fourth click?? > > > > I also needed help several times at some points which was always given > in the same friendly way as usual. > > > > Bye for now > > > > Uli > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbso ciety.net pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/…> > > Unsubscribe: > > > PBS Forum latest: > https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php/… https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php/…> > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/…> > Unsubscribe: pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>> > PBS Forum latest: > https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php/… https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php/…> > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 10:33:51 -0800 > From: Diane Whitehead > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs ] Email list and forum > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Matt Mattus via pbs wrote: > > > > Has the board discussed using Instagram? > > I think a couple of my grandchildren use Instagram but when I receive an > email about it, I can see a photo from them, but no written information. > > Diane > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 10:42:59 -0800 > From: "R Hansen" > To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" > Subject: Re: [pbs] Email list and forum > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Correct me if I'm wrong. Isn't Instagram optimized for mobile/android > phones? In my opinion not a good way to view photos of plants, especially > closeups... And then there are the advertisements? And text is important > for > PBS folks, if not almost more so than photos... > > Robin Hansen > Snow threatening > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 21:20:27 +0000 > From: Uli > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: [pbs] Next EU BX in the pipeline > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Dear All, > > Spring is knocking at our doors, so the next EU Seed And Bulb Exchange > (BX) is in the pipeline. Please think of your fellow members when you > start repotting and sowing, surplus material is most welcome. As usual > we will do two spring exchanges, the first one for mainly seed will be > scheduled around mid March, the second one for mainly bulbs will be > later. This has worked well in the past. We are never sure how the > weather will be like in March, that is why we do a second round for the > more frost sensitive summer growing bulbs. Seed is much less prone to > damage than bulbs. > > This is only a notice, please do not send anything as yet; we will > announce the opening of the donation time window in due course throug h > all the channels. If you need seed envelopes for your future donation, > the PBS offers them free of charge, please get in touch with Martin > Bohnet? who will send them to you. > > All the information on the EU Seed and Bulb Exchange can be found here: > > ?https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php/… > > Please remember that the EU Seed and bulb exchange is only open to fully > paid members with a delivery address in the EU. You do not need to be a > donor to be entitled to participate. This is a notice for the EU only, > the US exchanges follow different schedules. > > And please do not hesitate to contact Uli Urban > (johannes-ulrich-urban@t-online.de) in case of questions. > > > Bye for now > > Uli and Martin > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 16:57:36 -0800 > From: Jan Jeddeloh > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] Email list and forum > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Yes Instagram is optimized for mobile devices. It?s designed for pictures > and there sure as hell are ads. It?s really hard to post pictures on from > a computer, at least a Mac. I really don?t think Instagram should be our > main way of communicating with people although it?s a very nice additional > way of attracting members. Do we have an official Instagram site because > if we don?t we should. > > Jan > > > On Feb 13, 2023, at 10:42 AM, R Hansen via pbs pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > > > Correct me if I'm wrong. Isn't Instagram optimized for mobile/android > > phones? In my opinion not a good way to view photos of plants, especially > > closeups... And then there are the advertisements? And text is important > for > > PBS folks, if not almost more so than photos... > > > > Robin Hansen > > Snow threatening > > > > > > -- > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > http://www.avast.com/ > > ______________________________________________ _ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > > Unsubscribe: > > PBS Forum latest: > https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php/… > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 17:03:27 -0800 > From: "R Hansen" > To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" > Subject: Re: [pbs] Email list and forum > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Well, if PBS has an Instagram site, does that mean we need a moderator? > Because I think PBS web volunteers have more than enough to do now but at > the same time, having various folks scattered here and there moderating > different software is not a good idea in terms of left hand vs. right hand. > > >>>>>>Yes Instagram is optimized for mobile devices. It?s designed for > pictures and there sure as hell are ads. It?s really hard to post pictures > on from a computer, at least a Mac. I really don?t thi nk Instagram should > be our main way of communicating with people although it?s a very nice > additional way of attracting members. Do we have an official Instagram > site because if we don?t we should. > > Robin Hansen > Wet, cold, windy > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 20:35:51 -0500 > From: Bridget Wosczyna > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] Email list and forum > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I would happily handle an Instagram account for PBS. (I often post on my > account about PBS.) > > I could pull pics and info from the wiki and make posts. (Would give photo > credits, etc). > > I?m very active on Instagram so give me the green light and consider it > done. > > B > > > On Feb 13, 2023, at 8:03 PM, R Hansen via pbs pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > > > ?Well, if PBS has an Instagra m site, does that mean we need a moderator? > Because I think PBS web volunteers have more than enough to do now but at > the same time, having various folks scattered here and there moderating > different software is not a good idea in terms of left hand vs. right hand. > > > >>>>>>> Yes Instagram is optimized for mobile devices. It?s designed for > pictures and there sure as hell are ads. It?s really hard to post pictures > on from a computer, at least a Mac. I really don?t think Instagram should > be our main way of communicating with people although it?s a very nice > additional way of attracting members. Do we have an official Instagram > site because if we don?t we should. > > > > Robin Hansen > > Wet, cold, windy > > > > > > -- > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > http://www.avast.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/mai/ lman/listinfo/pbs > > Unsubscribe: > > PBS Forum latest: > https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php/… > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 20:46:13 -0800 > From: > To: > Subject: Re: [pbs] Email list and forum > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > This is a helpful discussion. For some reason I had thought that the intent > was to gradually kill off the mailing list and move all discussion to the > forum. I am glad to hear that's not the case. > > I am very content to let the forum and mail list survive side by side, and > to let Charles Darwin sort out what happens to them long term. > > I think the biggest risk to the survival of both is that Facebook and other > social media sites have captured much of the attention of the younger > generations. There's a lot of interest in bulbs among younger people, but > they're interacting mostly in social media. I wouldn't even mind that, but > th e way they work puts the focus almost completely on photos. It's very > difficult to have a meaningful written discussion there, which is what I've > always loved about PBS. > > Many thanks to the small group of stalwarts who have been keeping the > lights > on. > > Mike > San Jose, CA > Min temp 20F / -6C > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 20:57:10 -0800 > From: Christine Doud > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] Email list and forum > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > You are a peach Bridget!! You must have lots of energy and be very > organized. > > Christine > > > On Feb 13, 2023, at 5:36 PM, Bridget Wosczyna via pbs pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > > > ?I would happily handle an Instagram account for PBS. (I often post on > my account about PBS.) > > > > I could pull pics and info from the wiki and make posts. (Would give > photo credits, etc). > > > > I?m very active on Instagram so g ive me the green light and consider it > done. > > > > B > > > >> On Feb 13, 2023, at 8:03 PM, R Hansen via pbs pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > >> > >> ?Well, if PBS has an Instagram site, does that mean we need a > moderator? Because I think PBS web volunteers have more than enough to do > now but at the same time, having various folks scattered here and there > moderating different software is not a good idea in terms of left hand vs. > right hand. > >> > >>>>>>>> Yes Instagram is optimized for mobile devices. It?s designed for > pictures and there sure as hell are ads. It?s really hard to post pictures > on from a computer, at least a Mac. I really don?t think Instagram should > be our main way of communicating with people although it?s a very nice > additional way of attracting members. Do we have an official Instagram > site because if we don?t we should. > >> > >> Robin Hansen > >> Wet, cold, windy > >> > >> > >> -- > >> This email has been checked for viruses by Av ast antivirus software. > >> http://www.avast.com/ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> pbs mailing list > >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > >> Unsubscribe: > >> PBS Forum latest: > https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php/… > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > > Unsubscribe: > > PBS Forum latest: > https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php/… > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum latest: > https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php/… > > > ----------------- ------------- > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 72, Issue 9 > ********************************** > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2023 11:19:36 -0800 From: Jane McGary To: Robert Lauf via pbs Subject: Re: [pbs] Email list and forum Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed PBS runs a regular paid ad in the NARGS Rock Garden Quarterly, but I don't know of others. International advertising might be appropriate in the EU, where PBS has an active exchange program (unhappily, now closed to our fairly numerous British members). The BX/SX function is the reason most people join and stay in PBS. We also have a handout ("bookmark" style) that can be ordered from the treasurer to be distributed at appropriate garden events. Many PBS members are also members of other plant societies, such as the Cactus and Succulent Society. Most new members seem to learn about PBS because they have found our wiki, which is one of the first results on Google se arches for bulb genera. Occasionally we get inquiries indicating that people, especially those with limited English, have misinterpreted PBS as a vendor of bulbs. There is a significant "churn" in membership, which I suspect results from short-term members' disappointment in not getting what they hoped for from the BX. Jane McGary, Membership Coordinator On 2/14/2023 7:17 AM, Robert Lauf via pbs wrote: > Does our membership application ask, "How did you learn about us?"? That might be interesting to know.? Unlike more local societies, we don't put on a show where people can stumble in and be awed by the things on display. > Does PBS have an advertising budget per se?? Do we ever run ads in related publications of national or international plant societies such as AIS, AOS, etc.?? I realize that costs real money, as opposed to social media that can be done mostly by volunteers.? Ads might cost too much for the number of members they might land, but maybe there is something cheaper lik e flyers that can be placed at garden shows in big cities.? Has anyone developed an overall strategic evaluation of all these things as components in a larger publicity and recruitment activity? > Bob? ? finally seeing some sun in Oak Ridge > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2023 13:48:12 -0800 From: Marc Rosenblum To: Jane McGary via pbs Subject: Re: [pbs] Email list and forum Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Jane & all, SRGC & AGS give free advertising to Hort clubs and societies who reciprocate. On 2/14/2023 11:19 AM, Jane McGary via pbs wrote: > PBS runs a regular paid ad in the NARGS Rock Garden Quarterly, but I > don't know of others. International advertising might be appropriate > in the EU, where PBS has an active exchange program (unhappily, now > closed to our fairly numerous British members). The BX/SX function is > the reason most people join and stay in PBS. We also have a handout > ("bookmark" style) that can be ordered from the treasurer to be > distributed at appropriate garden events. Many PBS members are also > members of other plant societies, such as the Cactus and Succulent > Society. > > Most new members seem to learn about PBS because they have found our > wiki, which is one of the first results on Google searches for bulb > genera. Occasionally we get inquiries indicating that people, > especially those with limited English, have misinterpreted PBS as a > vendor of bulbs. There is a significant "churn" in membership, which I > suspect results from short-term members' disappointment in not getting > what they hoped for from the BX. > > Jane McGary, Membership Coordinator > > On 2/14/2023 7:17 AM, Robert Lauf via pbs wrote: >> ? Does our membership application ask, "How did you learn about us?"? >> That might be interesting to know.? Unlike more local societies, we >> don't put on a show where people can stumble in and be awed by the >> things on display. >> ??? Does PBS hav e an advertising budget per se?? Do we ever run ads >> in related publications of national or international plant societies >> such as AIS, AOS, etc.?? I realize that costs real money, as opposed >> to social media that can be done mostly by volunteers.? Ads might >> cost too much for the number of members they might land, but maybe >> there is something cheaper like flyers that can be placed at garden >> shows in big cities.? Has anyone developed an overall strategic >> evaluation of all these things as components in a larger publicity >> and recruitment activity? >> Bob? ? finally seeing some sun in Oak Ridge >> > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > Unsubscribe: > PBS Forum > https://… ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _____________________________________________ __ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… Unsubscribe: PBS Forum https://… ------------------------------ End of pbs Digest, Vol 72, Issue 10 *********************************** _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> PBS Forum https://…