Hello A smart friend did some research on why deer are coming into our human communities. His conclusion is that it happened when dogs were not allowed to roam and were neutered. In other words leash laws. I can remember as a child packs of dogs which we used to throw rocks at to stop them from attacking us. I also remember They used to chase deer. If you check out where dogs continue to roam freely you will not find deer. Cal. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 11, 2023, at 5:31 PM, Marc Rosenblum via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > Laura, > > I have many deer on my property; but, no predation problem. > I have 4 feet of deer netting suspended on a wire over 6' of welded wire mesh surrounding my garden. > > Marc Rosenblum > >> On 3/11/2023 12:04 PM, Laura Grant via pbs wrote: >> Here in Niagara peninsula we have about 20 deer roaming the area just >> around my garden and eating everything from Cedars to fruit trees, >> rhododendrons, azaleas and vegetables. I use a spray, predator eyes in the >> evening and ultrasonic devices. >> None of that works when there is a snow cover and they are hungry. >> Unfortunately, the papers reported about 75 coyotes were shot by "rednecks" >> last summer and tossed in the river so they could not trace the offenders. >> They are the only predators in our area. >> We have restrictions on deer hunting instead of all out cull. In Germany >> they have deer too, but the forest rangers keep a strict control of the >> population so they do not get out of hand. Can we not learn from people >> that found solutions to this problem? >> >> In Toronto raccoons are protected species. It is estimated that the raccoon >> population in the City of Toronto far exceeds the human population. >> Damage to property by these animals is huge. Our decks, roofs, and patios >> are littered with their droppings. On some outdoor patios you may be having >> dinner while the raccoons are watching you eat. Doctors have written in the >> local papers warning of dangers from their excrement but nothing was done >> about it. We are not even allowed to trap and relocate. >> >> I love animals of all kinds and do not wish to give the impression that I >> hate them. However, my battle to cultivate ornamental plants, harvest >> "some" fruits and vegetables is a full time job. >> Laura >> Niagara on the Lake >> >> >> >> >> On Sat., Mar. 11, 2023, 2:23 p.m. Arnold Trachtenberg via pbs, < >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: >> >>> Where I live. Just outside of NYC we’ve not had deer predators for at >>> least 75 years. >>> When I moved here 35 years ago you never saw a deer. Now they are spotted >>> almost daily >>> Arnold >>> >>> >>> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, March 11, 2023, 2:10 PM, Cody H via pbs < >>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: >>> >>> I think high deer numbers often have less to do with overdevelopment and >>> more to do with predator suppression. >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 11, 2023 at 10:19 AM Arnold Trachtenberg via pbs < >>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Brian >>>> I’ve had to deer fencing completely surrounding the rear garden. Deer >>> were >>>> coming in couple of time a week and eating everything. Fruit trees. >>> Potted >>>> ghost peppers. >>>> I think as we overdevelop properties they become more comfortable around >>>> humans. >>>> We have Lyme disease here which they carry on ticks that feed on them >>>> Arnold >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS >>>> >>>> >>>> On Saturday, March 11, 2023, 1:04 PM, Brian Whyer via pbs < >>>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi >>>> For 10+ years I have grown Camassia leichtlinii subsp. suksdorfii >>>> 'Electra' to the extent I was worried about the numbers. It doesn't seed >>>> but is a vigorous grower and my original single bulb from Avon Bulbs is >>>> now 2+ square meters of dense growth, after separating out a few years >>>> back and replanting. Last year I had a little spring damage on the new >>>> growth but hardly noticeable when they were in flower, this year nearly >>>> all the early growth has been eaten down to the ground/mulch. Deer >>>> (which we have) are not supposed to eat Camassia but a few nights back I >>>> happened to see a security light had been triggered during the night. I >>>> now know we have visits from Badgers too; nice to watch, BUT!. There is >>>> a well worn track along the hedge on the road side of our garden, >>>> outside the chain link fencing. Now i know why; but it is turning the >>>> corner we live on and coming in the open gateway presumably. Can't see >>>> any tunnels; yet. >>>> >>>> My question is will they recover enough to flower this year, assuming no >>>> more grazing? I have put plastic imitation chain link over them at >>>> present held up a bit by empty pots. Don't really want to fence that >>>> bed; but I could. Another plant in the same bed loses its flowers each >>>> year to grazing. (forget name; like evergreen grape hyacinth) Time to >>>> think about a secure garden ?? >>>> >>>> Brian, SE UK Chilterns >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> pbs mailing list >>>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >>>> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… >>>> Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> >>>> PBS Forum latest: >>>> https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php/… >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> pbs mailing list >>>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >>>> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… >>>> Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> >>>> PBS Forum latest: >>>> https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php/… >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> pbs mailing list >>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >>> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… >>> Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> >>> PBS Forum latest: >>> https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php/… >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> pbs mailing list >>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >>> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… >>> Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> >>> PBS Forum latest: >>> https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php/… >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… >> Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> >> PBS Forum https://… > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > PBS Forum https://… _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> PBS Forum https://…